Guild Wars 2

Ever play Heroes of Might and Magic VI? Vampire Lords. That is all.

Honestly, I miss some of the conditions that NPCs can use in PvE, such as the ability to restrict healing, or reduce your effectiveness. To me, Necromancers should be the great equalizers, turning powerful opponents into scrawny weaklings. (Well, actually, Necromancers should be commanding an undead army, but I’ll settle for the simple black magic I suppose)

Haha, she’s a pretty one. She’s also pretty kitten modest/kind for a Necromancer, always going on about helping people and feeling bad about losing her minions. I based her design off Krystal Fox (Starfox Adventures)

Of course, then on the opposite side of the scale is this guy:

He’s my “Champion Warlock” character, I use him for tPvP adventures.

RedSpectrum.1975:

I personally think, that they break down everything if they are anything like pitcher plant acid and such.

That makes me less interested in using a certain limb of mine on a Sylvari.

Not just the boonhate, it’s the fact that some of them are absurdly IMMUNE to my conditions. Simply because I have to rely on large quantities of single stacks, because I’m not diverse, they just remove 16-20 stacks of bleed like it’s nothing, CONSTANTLY.

As a Necromancer, my primary tools are boon converts and widespread conditions. Now, I just got through a match against an Elementalist, and Guardian, that were essentially immune to all forms of condition. They stacked boons far faster than I could remove them.

Any reason why this is possible? I wouldn’t mind some developer insight as to why they made DoTs a primary source of damage and then gave everyone condition removal until they’re drowning in it.

Stealth Thieves are immune to conditions.

Guardians can be immune to conditions

Engineers can easily be immune to conditions and boon stripping.

Elementalists are immune to everything except 5 players hitting them repeatedly with everything they have.

Well it could work as a condition, you could stack it’s duration like any other, and while the condition is active, if you cure it, you receive a large amount of damage, or some other effect. (I would rather see more interesting things other than just ‘damage’ like if you condition cure with it on you lost 50% of your power/healing or something in relation to that.)

Or bring back Hexes from GW1. That might work.

This thread went from good to wut very quickly.

For whatever reason, the Sylvari female voice reminds me of Lara Croft. Regardless, human females to me are just… not that attractive. Norn females are tougher than Charr men. Charr… eh. If I went for Asura, I’d be close to a pedophile. Female Sylvari have the most attractive personalities, honestly.

Shatter Mesmer + Power Necromancer = Strong

Support Guardian + Condition Necro = Strong

Necromancer + Necromancer = God

You would have to sacrifice a few things. Anyhow, I loved GW1.

It would be a hell of alot more balanced than it is now, but more desire for every class.

Do Sylvari have the capability to take a poo?

I’m actually really curious.

“im bunkar theef” <- Not even joking. Rank 30 bunker thief player.

I saw that happen first-hand. Mesmer teleported underground, and was still holding the point somehow. No one could hit him.

Talk about Armor of Earth.

“theres only 1 Ele at close”

See, in my opinion, the main problem is that Arenanet is trying to make everyone be everything. You can’t, nor should you.

Here is how the classes should’ve been handled:

• Support: Monk (I hate Guardian)
  This should be the ONLY class with AoE healing/AoE Condition removal, but end up completely glass without any team support.

• AoE Damage: Elementalist
  This should be the strongest raw AoE damage class, but still glass without teammate support.

• AoE Boon stripping/Pet: Necromancer
  This class should be a master of summons, or a massive AoE boon stripper that is very tough, but does virtually no DPS and relies on opponent’s killing themselves with their own strengths. (Either that, or an glass DoT AoE stacker that bursts opponents with conditions, and gets stronger the closer he gets to death. You know, cuz “Necro”-“Mancer”)

• Mobility: Thief
  The thief should be less focused on damage, more focused on scouting, and delaying/trapping enemies. Expert harassers.

• Single target DPS: Ranger
  Rangers should be strong at applying damage from a distance, which they lack now and have to make up for in traps and conditions… Should be very glassy

• Tank: Warrior
  Warriors should be unrivaled front-line shock troops. Should have strong damage, and strong survivability. Stacks boons on allies.

• Bunker/Long ranged AoE: Engineer
  Engineers should dominate as a bunker with turrets (And already do, at the moment, but not as effective as they should) Their Mortar/Grenades should also be tougher to use, but stronger at an effective distance. (They should have longer range than Ele) They should be incredibly hard to kill.

• Hybrid: Mesmer
  Mesmers should be the Jack of all Trades, Master of None. Solid DPS, solid conditions, good mobility, decent support, and average in survivability. Chaotic wild-cards.

That is how I imagine a perfectly balanced game, in all modes. So that classes would be valued in different ways. Not this nonsensical ‘bursting Guardian’ ‘bunker Ele’ nonsense.

Now obviously Arenanet has tried for the whole “Play the class the way YOU want”, however all they’ve succeeded in doing is make a bunch of stereotypical builds that exist on different levels of viability across all classes. Which has been working so well -sarcasm-

I find it hilarious how some Elementalists would rather say 50+ players are bad than possibly admit their class is more than a little on the OP side.

I main Necromancer, I cannot do ANYTHING that the Ele did in the video. I switched to Mesmer, and Elementalist today instead of the usual Warrior/Ranger. I felt like a God, just healing everything, removing all conditions and still inflicting serious AoE damage on both staff AND dagger.

Don’t even get me started on tPvP. That team in the video is barely slightly above average compared to some of the teams I see in PvP built around Eles.

I’ll help you ingame if I can.

Oh my god Stealth you’re so kitten defensive. It’s wide consensus Eles are OP, and it’s widely believed Eles will receive a nerf. You’re like a kid that got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

I generally Doom Elementalists out of their RtL into Corrupt Boon if they have any, and then chain more fears.

Ahw YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUH

Rangers don’t need a buff unless you nerf Trap ranger.

I guess I was right after all Stealth, all you do is say “l2p” when your opponents are faced with an obstacle you don’t have to deal with. I’m just going to bow out now and say “Good luck with the Nerf”

Warriors… aren’t even a factor anymore… are you playing the same game as us?

I guess we’re constructively trolling, as there isn’t much left to say. Elementalist is OP, and hopefully will be nerfed.

I equate Mesmer, and Elementalist problems to First World Problems.

Elementalist: “I don’t have enough condition removal”

~ ~ Has highest amount of condition removal in the game.

Kamata.5762:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Exactly. When you trait for it and use the right sigils, armor etc. That way you will lose your damage and be almost unkillable. That sounds kinda familiar… oh wait, every single bunker/healer build is like this!
Have you ever seen a mesmer using his mantras to heal? I have. He heals his team faster than an ele can BUT the mesmer loses all of his damage.
A shout warrior can heal even more than that, but loses all of his damage.
An ele can heal alot in bursts, but loses alot of his damage.

See where this is going?

Oh but waaaaaaait, Elementalist is the only class that DOESN’T lose all his damage from having so much healing power…

Could it be that’s why everyone on the planet thinks Ele is OP? Except Eles?

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme Heal/Condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes High Damage/Might/Condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Also, my Necromancer would like to argue about the “Undieable 5 Guardian Team” “Unstoppable 5 Warrior team” and “Unseenable 5 Thief team”. I can easily stomp all of those types of teams, Rangers provide slight challenge but only if they’re all trap rangers, which is another overly-strong build… however Elementalists are the only true unkillables.

Water.

Air.

Fire.

Earth.

That’s pretty much all I need to list, everything the Elementalist needs is within those schools. By the way, how long do you think the cooldown on Corrupt Boons is? Mesmer boonstrip? You reapply boons faster than we can strip them. Unless you dump all of your boons at once, in which case lol

As for the build, pretty much any basic hybrid Condition/Power Elementalist build will do. The glassiest Elementalist I’ve ever seen could heal himself fully and get away before anything bad happened to him. At the very least.

There is an established strategy. Stand in a circle and die while an Elementalist zips from point A to point B generally killing things or annoying people.

Well… atleast that seems to be the Meta for the time being.

Mijo, did you know that Elementalists have condition removal? Like alot of it. Did you also know that they don’t stack incredible quantities of boons like Guardians? Did you also know that they can reapply boons as fast as they lose them?

Haha it was funny, I actually thought of that… corrupting boons… what a novel idea.

Of course I could just reverse that idea and say “Silly Elementalist, maybe you should l2p and not rely on so many boons.”

Also, I’m rather positive that the main topic was “Why people think Eles is OP” if I remember correctly, not “Tell everyone else to l2p rather than disprove or debate ideas you so blatantly call ignorant”

By the way, I was just curious, if Elementalist is so bad, then maybe you guys can explain to me why every match I ever play has atleast 1, or 4.

Oh but Kito, don’t you know? According to Eles: Eles are underpowered. They need a huge buff to survivability, mobility, and damage. They’re worse than warriors at the moment.

Also, yes I did check the cooldowns on the skills, constant is a variable and vague term generally meaning “Happening with frequency”. Which you cannot deny Elementalists heal often, and can almost always have a Regen boon on them. Ah but what do I know, I’m just another ignorant peon that thinks Elementalist isn’t underpowered.

And once again, Mr Stealth goes on with his amazing argument of “Ur just bad”

Whilst Arhuendel believes Elementalists are low tier and awful.

Bravo.

I’m done here, I’ve made my point. D/D Elementalist need a nerf, badly, and I think most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists would agree.

Armor of Earth. Mist Form. Constant Regen. Constant Healing. Constant Cleanses. Loads of stun breakers. A bunch of escapes.

How many times have I had to repeat this? ^^^ All of that can be on any build of varying degrees. A full beserk Elementalist can survive for a hell of a lot longer than any of my Necromancers can. Have you ever tried to get a decent condition burst on a good D/D Ele? But of course you’re going to go “ur exaggerating ur just bad” or something along those lines, as all overly defensive Elementalists do.

Tell you what, go into any tPvP match, fight any team focused around 2 or more Elementalists and Guardians (There are loads of them), WATCH THE MAGIC as you try to kill any of them. Then ask them for their build.

Elementalists are widely accepted as god tier for a kitten good reason.

Those aren’t lies, all of those things are achievable with build specification, and some are achievable at the same time through hybrids.

It’s hilarious, all I see are Elementalist mainers savagely defending their class from any form of criticism or belief of unbalance… it’s like they’re expecting a inevitable highly necessary nerf of some sort…

Firstly, I was never crying for Thief or Engineer to be nerfed, only Elementalist. Infact, I was defending Engineer, I only ask that Stealth be nerfed, but the other capabilities of Thief to be buffed to allow for a much more broader range of builds/uses shine through.

Now onto Stealth’s post: I meant tougher as in “More survivable” not actual toughness. Also, if you think Death Shroud brings as much survivability to the table as an Elementalist or Guardian, then I think YOU need to make a Necromancer and play it in PvP.

I for one have used both staff support, and different variations of D/D Ele. I find it highly OP. Granted it has a somewhat high learning curve, it’s still incredibly powerful for what it brings to the table. Also, Necromancers cannot cleanse conditions on teammates with ease. Plague signet is painful to use, and has a high cooldown. Putrid Mark requires your teammates to be standing inside of the circle, but is the only strong support removal we truly have. If you’re going to try and make Necromancers sound better than Elementalists, I’m just going to laugh at you from here on out.

Now, from there on out all your arguments degrade into “Nou” and “ur just bad” to fiercely defend your OP class. I have seen what I have seen, and I have seen Elementalists do kitten things.

Possibly because I didn’t see it.

Despite the fact that might is more valuable to Warriors and infact necessary to them, I would’ve also pointed out problems with that notion.

Regardless, Engineer does not need a nerf. Elementalist needs a nerf, Trap ranger needs to be nerfed while having Ranger’s other capabilities buffed. Warrior needs to be buffed. Necro needs to be buffed. Stealth needs to be nerfed as a whole (And buff the viabaility of other builds that aren’t heartseeker related for Thieves).

But Engineer doesn’t need to be nerfed.

Let’s see, with all of their invulnerability, their amazing healing skill, their armor of the Earth (Multiple access to it), constant regen, best AOE CLEANSING IN THE GAME, constant boon reapplication (making them immune to any stripping or conversion), and then ontop of all of it, they have a metric kitten tonne of escapes.

Sure, I’m ‘exaggerating’ when I say Elementalists have more survivability than a Guardian.

Sure, I’m ‘exaggerating’ when I see a glass D/D Ele murder 3v1 with little to no effort. In tPvP.

Also, scratch that, I was taking you seriously until I saw you were an Elitist know-it-all.

Elementalist is essentially Thief on steroids, when you think about it.

Oh look it’s another Elementalist here to defend his broken build.

I wish I still had the screenshot of a Elementalist doing 9,000+ damage off an AoE, plus a 6 second burn. However, even at that point Elementalists would be going “It’s fiiiiine, you’re exaggerating”

Sure. Right. Naturally it’s that simple. You just put up all those boons and dominate everything. That must be why I see so many boon spamming Necromancers at high tier tPvP including myself. Oh but wait…

Might doesn’t make right.

Congratulations, have you ever thought for once that in order to achieve all that glorious might, we’d be sacrificing condition damage ANYWAY!? Along with other more useful traits. We’re not boon based like Guardians, and it actually hurts us to try for them.

The ignorance in this game is absolutely hilarious.

-D/D Elementalists are glass burst-

• They have a higher burst than Thief. And it’s AoE.
• Yet they have the survivability of a bunker Guardian
• They have better mobility than a Thief
• They have stronger conditions than a Necromancer.
• They have 4 weapon switches on short cooldowns
• They have the best condition cleanses in the game. And they’re AoE.
• They have the best healing in the game.

It’s OP as hell on paper, and OP as hell ingame.

If we are the jack of all trades, then the Elementalist is the master of everything. Don’t flaunt about your nonexistent knowledge of Necro or Warrior, I play every class and know how each class handles. Elementalist is irrefutably overpowered.

Nerfing Might across the board will accomplish kitten near nothing.

Do you know anything about Necromancer? Anything at all? Why in the hell would any Necromancer want to put so much in boon duration that he gets a single 25 stack of might? For what purpose? To well bomb?

As to the topic, Engineers are fine, their supply drop is a little on the strong side, but otherwise they’re perfectly fine.

Mijo.3274:

i’m so disappointed that Anet already declared that they’re goin to nerf cantrip ele, we have only one good build. I just hate all the whiners in the comunity that spend more time tiping on the forums than playing, elementalist is not better than mesmer, ranger, necro, engi and guardian.

Yet another delusional Elementalist thinks his class is balanced with the nonsensical D/D capability. You wouldn’t last 5 minutes using a Warrior against a premade Ele team.

Oh really bro? Let’s see your video of you killing 2 semi-competent D/D Elementalists with your hands tied behind your back. Try using conditions. I dare you. I double dare you, try using Necro on a pair of D/D Eles. Or Warrior. Or glass Thief. Or Mesmer.

Ah but of course you couldn’t do that, you love using it too much.

A glass D/D Ele build ends up surviving more than my toughest Necro, cleanses all of it’s allies of conditions, does nonsensical burst/condition damage -AoE (Better than a Thief)-, heals itself better than any Guardian I’ve ever seen, CCs better than my Necro or my Engineer even when I BUILD for it, can turn invincible to stomp and res at any time MULTIPLE times, has access to an endless supply of boons and cleanses, and has better mobility/escape power than a pure stealth thief.

Sure, and people need to ask why people think Ele D/D is OP.

I just watched 2 D/D Elementalists kill 5 players in a time span of 13 seconds in tPvP, out of those 5 players:
2 Guardian bunkers/support
1 Necro in Lich form
1 Shatter Mesmer
1 Engineer (and all of his turrets)

It’s to the point to where every server I join has atleast 1 Elementalist, or as many as 4. They’re overpowered in every single map, but shine most specifically in both Temple of the Silent Storm and Spirit Watch.

Whenever I see an Elementalist, it makes me physically ill. I actually cheer and compliment any staff Elementalist I come across, and thank them for not being one of the ten thousand OP generic D/D abusers I’ve met. Whenever I actually kill an Elementalist by pure luck, I feel like I ran a Marathon and won 12 Olympic Gold Medals by pole vaulting on my peen over a 20 foot tall mound of CRAP that happens to be my current class. (Necro)

After reading all of the above, take a look at my Necro in comparison, I can’t even do 1/10th of the things other classes can do, let alone Elementalist… then look at warrior… good lord.

Warrior looks like a tiny spec of kitten particle compared to the monolithic D/D Elementalist.

Yet the developers do nothing to fix Necro (not just in balance), Warrior, Ele, or generally balance the game. This is why many of the veteran players I know left this game for other MMOs.

Stealth still is somewhat ridiculous, with no way to actually counter it except stab blindly in the air. However, the most absolutely atrocious things, are D/D Elementalists. I hope that they get nerfed so hard into the ground it’ll take them a century just to find out how deep they are. The quantity of people that abuse this nonsensical build make me not only dislike the Devs for making the mistake, but also dislike the people that condone and use it. Whereas Necromancers such as myself, and our Warrior brethren must suffer at the bottom.

Yup. Necromancer makes me depressed.

I wonder if the Devs even know what goes on in Necromancer forums. Or if they’ve ever actually bothered to use the class.

0/30/10/30/0 specced all for bleeds. Use Mark of Evasion as well. Sigils of Earth on all weapons. Runes specced for bleed duration. etc.