Guild Wars 2

I’d fight you in a duel, but I feel the same. You’d probably just run off to reset every 5 seconds. Not that it matters.

I want Thieves to be better, not worse. However the only way for them to get better, is for a series of nerfs and buffs. No one seems to understand that though.

Arganthium, Thieves rely on those things because they are their ONLY good abilities. Nerfing them, and bringing other skills up to an equal level will open more viability, just like Necro, just like Ele.

How many D/D Elementalists do you see in PvP? Essentially what you just said is “Buff all of Elementalist’s other stuff but also keep D/D builds because that contains all of their good abilities”. No.

SallyStitches.4096:

I was wondering which builds people are having more success with in TPvP and SPvP. I checked out the stickies, and tried the 5x fear build, but it didn’t seem as potent, or maybe I wasn’t playing it right. What are most of you using in PvP?

I posted 3 of my 34 PvP builds on here: “Vampire Lord”, “Potentate”, and “Minion Lord”

Check them out if you like, all 3 are viable in tPvP, but if I had to value them based on usefulness, I’d have to say Potentate is the best build out of the three.

I have many more builds, but I won’t be posting them much on the forums, so if you want further help or advice for PvP Necro, message me ingame and add me. I’ll be glad to help.

You do realize. That I easily, and unrelentingly dominate Thieves? Stealth, why do you think that I want to nerf Thieves or Elementalists because I can’t beat them? I can beat them. I can beat you, and I can beat every other Thief out there. I’m calling for a Nerf to the things they are forced to rely on, and a buff to their other skills.

I want Thieves to be better. Nerfing SR, nerfing HS, nerfing DB, and buffing some of their traits/weapon sets will help them.

I want Thieves to be buffed in ways that allow them to be more viable. I want them to be nerfed on the things that every thief on the planet relies on.

Please, do read comments more effectively before basing your biased opinion or reporting. Nerfing something doesn’t mean “omg i cant kill them nerf dem nao” as much as you think it does. My suggestion to you, Mr Stealth: Learn to read.

Now, if he doesn’t understand this point for the 4th time, will someone who understands my point please be so kind as to explain to him exactly what I’m saying, as I do not want him to report me again because the only way I could get my point across to him otherwise is with a series of expletives, as he’s beginning to frustrate me.

Runes of the Vampire, of course.

Do what you like. I don’t rely on the Daze so much (I only use it to place my wells, but my dagger is the strongest part) so… I wouldn’t use it.

Well, this build is made to provide maximum leeching and tankiness in tPvP. Not sure what you’re doing to it in PvE, but I doubt it’s viable there.

No problem Cerulean.

My 2 Sylvari Necromancers

and if a hole opened up in the Earth and swallowed up the server, which team should have won?

Which is why, if you read my post, I don’t want them to rely on it. I want Thieves to have access to different things to use, and diversify their skillsets.

Update it every 5 levels. Especially when you’re above level 60.

Just don’t go for Rares/Exotics until you’re level 80.

Arganthium.5638:

Except that SoU is a… Signet. What did you expect, that you’d get both the passive as well as a superior active? Also, SR doesn’t get an insta-res. In fact, you’re often lucky to pull off one res in SR. AoE and CC make SR ridiculously difficult to rez in. It’s crazy.

Also, SR is our only real direct defense ally support.

The cooldown still makes this a very difficult skill to time properly.

The heal really isn’t that much. I’m pretty sure eles heal for more just by switching to their Water attunement for three seconds.

Signet of Undeath is a crappy signet, with virtually no point in it having a passive. The LF gain is virtually nonexistent to justify it being a signet. I understand that SR is your only real defensive support option, that doesn’t mean it needs to be strong as sin. No, I’m not QQing because I can’t defeat it, I’m irritated because too much reliance is put on that. I can’t go 30 seconds in a game with a Thief without seeing either Heartseeker, Deathblossom, or Shadow Refuge. What I want to see is more diversity in Thief, so they don’t have to rely on such gimmicky and rather annoying things.

Greatswords can fit into the Vampiric lore of a Necromancer, and many other games include a Greatsword usable in special ways by a Necromancer. Plus it’s the only other solid weapon besides Sword a Necro should wield in this game.

Yes. I’m a part of a generation that is a bit more traditional in actually not having blatant stupidity in every single one of my games.

I’m against Kratos from God of War flinging around giant glowsticks on chains instead of the traditional Spartan weaponry. Which would’ve made it more kitten, imo.

Necromancers are this: http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/121/e/2/necromancer_by_saryth-d4y94xn.jpg

Not this:
http://coolvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Portrait-Art-Taras-Skorobruh-Tzeentch-Knight-992x1048.jpg

If you want to talk about adding in another “Dark” themed class that uses heavy armor, fine, but at the moment Necromancer is a Scholar type. I’ve never seen a Scholar use a mortal shield. Ever.

Ah but then this is a generation that would like to see a cyborg spartan ninja be a playable character in Mario Brothers.

Why don’t we just give everyone heavy armor and a giant sword/shield then. They evolved. Like pokemanz

Necromancers are sorcerers that use the magic of death to boost their defenses, they face their enemies full on, exposed, bringing death and destruction in the form of weakness and pestilence. They aren’t the type to hide behind a shield. Even if they were, they’d just spontaneously create a wall of skulls or something to block attacks.

Your build is still viable, only change out your traits and utilities

Put the 10 from spite into either Bloodmagic (Trait III) or Soul Reaping (Trait II)

Then change your Curses traits to:
II, VI, VII

and your Death magic traits to:
II, V, VIII

Use Corrupt Boon, (Well of Corruption, Blood is Power), and Epidemic

Switch to Rabid amulet if you already didn’t use one.

Staff & Scepter/Dagger

At the moment, Shadow Refuge is an overpowered skill. It’s more effective than my Signet of Undeath, as it has a shorter cooldown, stealths, and heals. I’m fine with buffing some other Thief skills, as long as that one is toned down. Alot.

It’s essentially an “All in one” skill. Which is dumb.

Bhawb.7408:

Greatsword a la Trahearne kthx.

Wouldn’t bother me a bit.

Make it a vampire tool, with a teleport built in.

10 in what?

30 in what?

30 in more what?

Do you mean: 10/30/30/0/0? and what traits?

While that Trait is buffed, I would like to ask that Shadow Refuge be nerfed to the point to where it doesn’t heal, and doesn’t allow you to stealth downed players to Res them.

I think it doesn’t fit the lore.

I’d rather a Necro be wielding a 40 foot long detached airplane wing like most Anime characters. Sorry to say.

I… uh… what?

By the way, the 3 builds that I’ve posted are merely 3 viable ones that I recently came up with. I have 34 builds in total that I’ve theory crafted, and out of the 34, 22 are viable in tPvP.

I dare to explore, Bhawb. I hate meta builds.

Tested in 13-16 tournaments. Fills it’s role seamlessly, begins showing difficulty against Bunkers, often ending up in a constant tie.

Tested this build in 85 tournaments. Outperformed my highest expectations in each one, often ending every match with 20+ kills.

The purpose of this build is to provide a roaming tank that is difficult to kill even in 2v1, and applies decent DPS over-time. It’s specific role is to dominate bursters under any means.

Traits

• 30/0/10/30/0

• Spite: VI, X, XII

• Death Magic: I (Alternatively you can place 10 points into Curses instead for Chilling Darkness)

• Blood Magic: II, VIII, XII

Equipment

• Knight’s Amulet (Berserker’s Jewel)

• Axe (Sigil of Leeching) and Focus (Sigil of Force)

• Dagger (Sigil of Leeching) and Dagger (Sigil of Force)

• Runes of the Vampire

Utilities

• Consume Conditions

• Well of Suffering

• Well of Corruption (Or Well of Darkness)

• Signet of the Locust

• Flesh Golem

Primary Stats

• 2075 Power

• 29,802 Vitality

This build is based purely upon 2 things: Power, and Health. It is designed to mitigate huge quantities of damage with Leeching, it is impossible to burst without being severely outnumbered. It destroys other tanks, and eats burst players.

The main strategy is to perform switches often in this build, to leech as much health as possible. Your Flesh Golem is there to add CC and increase your damage output, HOWEVER, do not summon it BEFORE a fight. Summon it DURING a fight, catching opponents off guard for extra bursts (Also allows for extra toughness when you truly need it)

This build is simple for it’s effectiveness, it accomplishes it’s purpose. If anyone has ideas on how to improve on it, please share them.

If you can master the CDs on this build, the Mist Form will be a godsend. Allowing you to pop your wells, your heal, and your Signet for upwards of 60% of your health back, and even more if you have multiple opponents.

(If Leeching is ever fixed to scale with healing power, I’ll make a switch to Valkyrie)

This build is designed to roam and put down extreme damage on single, or even multiple targets. It can easily handle any 1v1 encounter it comes across, dominate group combat, and even defeat 2v1.

Traits

• 30/20/0/20/0

• Spite: II, X, XII

• Curses: III, VIII

• Blood Magic: I, VIII

Equipment

• Berserker’s Amulet

• 6 Runes of Divinity

• Dagger (Sigil of Force) and Warhorn (Sigil of Air)

• Axe (Sigil of Bloodlust) and Focus (Sigil of Bloodlust)

Utilities

• Consume Conditions

• Well of Suffering

• Well of Corruption

• Well of Darkness

• Lich Form

Primary Stats

• 2,199 Power

• 24,262 Vitality

• 47% Crit chance

• 32% Crit damage

The main strategy with this build, and all Wellbombing builds, is to lock down opponents inside your wells. This is easier achieved through first using Dark Pact to immobilize your opponent, putting down a Well of Darkness (Or WoC if they have stability active) which will blind/chill them making it harder for them to escape if they remove the immobilize, then daze them (2 Second daze off Warhorn), and put down your other 2 wells. Then proceed to burst with your dagger.

Your Axe and Focus are only there for defense against good Kiting players, and to stack bloodlust.

This, in my opinion, is a very strong build that can easily turn the tables on Thieves, or any other burster, as well as dominating bunker builds. It has minor difficulty against Retaliation and Limb-regenerating Rangers. It has above average survivability mixed in with it’s incredible damage.

Practice practice practice. Play some PvP as a sort of “Trial by Fire” if you wish. Strafe keeping your camera centered on your opponent, and use your dodges sparingly. Necro doesn’t have much dodge capability, so make them count.

The purpose of this build is to combine incredible toughness, with a strong condition presence.
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Traits

• 0/10/30/30/0

• Curses – VI

• Death Magic – II, VIII, XI

• Blood Magic – II, V, VII

Equipment

• 6 Runes of the Undead

• Shaman’s Amulet

• Staff (Sigil of Venom)

• Scepter and Dagger (Both with Sigils of Corruption)

Utilities

• Consume Conditions

• Bone Minions

• Shadow Fiend

• Plague Signet (Or Corrupt Boon, or Well of Power)

• Flesh Golem

Primary Stats

• 2,189 Toughness

• 1,040 Condition Damage (1,290 With full corruption boons)

• 21,372 Vitality

The main playstyle of this is to play like any normal Conditionmancer, but to use your Minions to build up the conditions the opponents stack on them using the Plague Signet, and then eat all of the conditions for health, send them back (twice), or simply keep pulling them to support teammates.

It’s a hybrid build I’ve recently tested in 3 tournaments against above average players. It shined significantly in group fights, but was difficult to master in 1v1s against opponents with heavy CC.

Hope you enjoy and can improve upon this rough build.

I would like to see Minions have their damage scaled along with their master. I would also enjoy seeing Minions perform condition roles as well (Other than the deathsplode)

At the moment, Minions are rather nothing more than sponges to soak up damage.

In a perfect world, Plague Signet would be OP. Transferring all your ally’s conditions to your tanky kitten just to send them off to another player using Staff 4.

But it isn’t. It’s actually bad, and on a ridiculous CD.

Who knows. I could say: “Tongue foot purple” and people wouldn’t know what I’m talking about, is it their fault, or should I learn how to put an actual subject in my sentences like “The purple monkey stuck his tongue out at his foot”

I find it annoying how alot of people that post here seem to think that I need help beating the Mesmer.

My point, for the billionth time, is that Mesmer ON PAPER, seems to have every tool to counter Necromancer more so than any one else in the game.

Necromancers are actually incredibly good at soloing in PvE.

Anchoku.8142:

Mary Shelley’s Dr. Frankenstein could make his own minions. I want some of that. Hmmmm, body of a giant and brain of a jackalope. Hey, wait! That sounds just like a flesh golem!

KarlaGrey.5903:

Haha, awesomeness.

I’d just change ‘Niflhel’ to ‘Niflhell’ though and necromancer’s 25 stacks of bleed (wtf :p) to 10 stacks of bleed.

Thanks, fixed.

I’m talking about PvP, Zenith, and I know how to handle them. I’m just asking if it’s just me or are they literally built to counter our class?

Is it just me, or does Mesmer just flat out counterpick Necromancer? It seems like they have everything directly tailored to counter us specifically.

Honestly Moa isn’t very good, but it certainly is against a Necro. Removing all minions, stopping Lich form, removing Plague form. They have just enough condition removal to annoy a Necro trying to stack things. Shatters destroy Necro minions, and we don’t have enough escape/stunbreak/stability to escape their massive daze bursts.

I’m not QQing or anything (I beat them fairly easily), just feels like every tool they have beats ours.

It’s not a sad day. Just an average day in the wonderful world of PvP.

Minionmancer generally rely on toughness and healing, rather than condition or power. Using Minions to do the damage they would normally do.

I wouldn’t mind an AoE staff like Melee weapon, but changing our current Staff would defeat our long range capability. UNLESS they added in a style switch to Necromancer.

Which would make no sense. But be awesome.

Fear with Terror trait and solid duration.

You won’t be able to get rid of it by conventional means.

Khadorian, Necromancers are infact weak in comparison to the capabilities of other classes in PvP.

I know your feels, bro.

I’m on NA, of course I often forget I have to state that, generally on somewhere between 2:00 PM – 10:00 PM GMT -7 (Not for that long, but somewhere inbetween that I’ll probably be on)

So if you want advice for Necro, want to learn how to start out in PvP, or need help theorycrafting/want to bounce ideas off me. Feel free to whisper me.

Necro is one of the weakest tPvP classes. However, if any of you are serious about getting into PvP. Hit me up any time I’m ingame, I’ll be glad to help you get started.

I wish people had fewer condition cleanses. Poor prioritizing is probably the only reason why a condition Necro can get any kills at all.