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It really makes it hard for Anet among others to get any real info. If you really would like to make a change in the game keep it in one thread so it has a chance to grow.
I have nothing significant to add to the OP.
Either you agree and are logical person. Or you disagree and are delusional and do not warrant a rational means to refute your claim anymore than one needs to refute the real world existence of magical rainbow unicorns.
+1 And that is all.
lol you should read my post then yours and rethink you position. You must be a republican Here:
“Meeting community demands in a rational way and assuring substaining PVP and PVE content is what keeps a game running.”
I agree it’s a good thing that is what they are doing.
WvW – just got a new mastery, runes and sigils to play with, and champ bags
spvp – just got solo que
pve – got champ bags and pve (runes and sigils change pve exp very little)
looks pretty even to me or if anything mostly in our favor. By improving pve they are also improving wvw.
About the loot:
We have champ bags now they are much better. I have not really noticed a loot diff otherwise, but It would make sense with the addition. Also a good step to put a damper on kill trading.
We have champ bags now they are much better. I have not really noticed a loot diff otherwise, but It would make sense with the addition. Also a good step to put a damper on kill trading.
“Meeting community demands in a rational way and assuring substaining PVP and PVE content is what keeps a game running.”
I agree it’s a good thing that is what they are doing.
WvW just got a new mastery, runes and sigils to play with, and champ bags
spvp just got solo que
pve champ bags and pve (runes and sigils change pve exp very little)
looks pretty even to me or if anything mostly in our favor. By improving pve they are also improving wvw.
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It should work in wvw its not like the portal gun where you could shoot the portal. Hell the only reason I even played my mesmer so long was because of portal. There is no such thing as a perma stealth thief anymore that was an exploit in which a thief could use a keep wall to stealth it has since been fixed.
Man relax allot of player can only pve do to there rig and lag out in wvw/drag in spvp, it is fantastic that there is a festival every 2 weeks and they are constantly upgrading the game. If you played wow or really any other mmo you would see how special what they are doing really is. Along with all these thing they are upgrading all other aspects of the game as well. “WvWers find motivation to keep playing?” We found it… we like killing people. This isn’t pve do you expect rewards cause if they were going to give them it would be to tpvpers because tpvp has a closer barring on personal effort. If they did give large rewards here it would most likely just be exploited. The bag change is awesome though and pretty hard to exploit.
Another thing to consider in your choice is wvw activity if your going to a lower tier (idk never been down there) you might have trouble finding players to kill. In t1 when I have a problem it is the opposite I found to many players lol.
I play on T1 blackgate and mostly do small scale normally there are only 3 zergs 2 enemy and your teams. What I like to do is if I see someone attacking bay I will sit in between bay and garrison and take out players trying to make it back to bay. My guild and I run 5-8man almost every night that we do not have official wvw on those night they run 20-30 players and i scout/gank players.
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I agree liquid, but since it isn’t an everyday thing anyway why couldn’t it be done on the day before reset to eliminate any inconvenience.
Because of scheduling issues. Not everyone can just play when ever they want. Also NA guilds that have players that work 9 to 5. There are a lot of reasons why GvG happen through out the week.
This doesn’t make sense. I understand that people work 9-5 but in a 48 hour period (The day before reset and reset day) it shouldn’t matter if there are scheduling issues in that large of a period I would think they would be impossible to work around during the week and all the maps are full on the weekends.
You "GvG"ers get all up in arms cause you think I want to shut you down when really I could care less what you do, as long as it doesn’t effect me. Though on a personal lv I think its trash, but that doesn’t matter.
Just think of the implications of having “official GvG” every thurs or what ever your day before reset is. You could have three ways with no prob cause everyone knows what day they get to fight the only thing you guys would have to do is set a time and place. I would think this would be nothing, but good for your micro community.
What do you know today is the day before reset why don’t you start tonight!! Go get them champs!!!
I agree liquid, but since it isn’t an everyday thing anyway why couldn’t it be done on the day before reset to eliminate any inconvenience.
Listen I really doubt the 15-20 guys “gvging” uphold the #1 server in fact the guys that were doing it on our server this match up were a pve guild. Our wvwers would try to do it on the day before reset if at all. Syktek your server might carry you, but here on bg we have like 20 guilds that work together and only one of them “GvG” but I am sure they feel me.
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Lol in our match up this week “GvG” caused us to lose a whole map we were wiped off of it. Yesterday during another it caused TC to lose there T3 garry because they were "GvG"ing when they had the people to defend it on that map.
Rednick don’t say your one of those guys because if you were you wouldn’t be ok with destroying your own work and further more if you are a real wvw you know that these changes can change the outcome of a wvw match up delegitimizing your effort; if you guys manage to ever win again.
Lastly the only thing I and most other people asked for was for you guys to do your kill trading on reset day after the match was already decided so it wouldn’t have these negative effects is that so hard but you jerks refuse and want to crap all over the real wvw hard work.
A person on the last post said “They should open a 20v20 arena” and I think it is a fine idea if it would keep you guys out of wvw, but also feel that such a simplistic game mode would just crash like 8v8 spvp not that what you guys do now is much better. What I believe you guys derive the most pleasure from currently is the spectacle more than anything else left with only some of the most base game play the game has to offer I would bet it would just be left behind, or even worse moved back into wvw.
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Wait are you saying I should not be able to kill groups of 2-3 at a time or die trying????
Well you should tell that to my ranger cause he does it as well. On a srs note you are right they should nerf warriors impale is an iwin button
Siegfried I think in the upper tears allot of it has to do with team work. As far as tactics with the removal of tiers there is more server mobility and much less of a learning curve. When we were rising on blackgate before the change it was nuts we would get smashed into oblivion the first few days, but we adapted pretty well in a short amount of time mostly due to the communication throughout our server, really allot of that had to do with lotd cause they were awesome enough to provide our server with a community team speak.
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Numbers have very little to do with it almost every server has the ability to play T1/T2 as far as numbers go you just have to rally your players. Right now all but 5 servers are very high pop the diff is you guys in the lower tiers don’t try to busy with “gvg” I guess. If you happen to be on a server where you try and no one else does find a good wvw community or go to a low pop server and after you win your matches grab your hardest opposition on your way up. The T1/T2 communities are lucky enough to have players that pour there hearts and souls into it. The best part is you won’t see these guys on utube or streaming cause they are the real deal and they are here to get it done for the most part.
The biggest part your missing in all this is black gate was a teir 3 server months ago we fought our butts off to get to t1 and recruited on our way. If you show the community you guys are trying the players will come to you because everyone wants to kill the giant and all they have to do is try a little harder. You can’t expect anyone to take your server seriously as someone that will rise to the top when you spend all your time “gvging” or not showing up.
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Even on the T1 servers the zerg play is mostly first part of the week and can always be played around. I play on black gate and do almost only small scale stuff when my guild is running I play a scout thief/ranger and pick off groups of 2/3 when I can kill yaks and call out when I do see a zerg. The last half the the weeks are filled with small groups and solo yakers at this time I sit at the sentry near and enemy garrison and kill people that try to take it.
I think TC is the next big dog honestly, dragonbrand.. who? TC is pretty epic as is if they pulled one decent guild into there worse time zone they would be competing for #1
They are like a sleeper cell cause jerks think they are better than rpers, but just wait they are coming up.
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Well there is allot of things yes taking spots is a big one creating a distraction and spamming chat is another. It is almost like they are working for the enemy lol.
I don’t really care if people do it or not It is the collateral damage because of GvGs lack of consideration for the actual game mode at hand. heh /rolls eyes
Each server has players that spend allot of time to try to succeed and have to deal with the distraction of “GvG”, taking spots and pulling players during a war stunting server mobility and being counter productive as a whole in respect to the game mode. The much larger problem is that these players are exploiting the loot and wvw exp systems.
Lol then why are you don’t you guys play it and for that matter why don’t the rest of us?
You guys could always start "GvG"ing its not a joke at all.
Lol Now who is crying about change the meta QQ rage quite / kill trade I mean that is what “GvG” is anyway right
LOL is someone from TC actually talking about strategy?
:D actually I play on blackgate and spent hours upon hours helping my server rise to number 1. Who do you think you are talking about TC players negatively what is it because they don’t have the best “GvG” you joke. I call out people being stupid when they are doing it.. like now. What did I lose kid?
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I agree with king solo and small group play is always better the latter half of the week.
Lol you missed achilles point and that was that the “GvG” you guys play is so simplistic that it could and will never be a game mode, and it is insulting to him and prolly most other gamers that you would tarnish the name of something they put allot of effort into and enjoyed very much. This same ignorance is why you don’t understand the disruption of the wvw community on individual maps and as a whole is insulting to us not only as wvwers, but as gamers. It is so much fuss over something that could be avoided, but god forbid you wait till reset day to kill trade. So agg you guys going to go on an eu tour? lol
I think what the dev was saying was that they made a better trade culling or more than 5 target aoe and they made the right choice hands down.
You can do small scale I often do it to cut off reinforcements. Or large scale it has more to offer than it seems. Some times for like a t3 keep A retracted siege takes a ton of supply so the more people you have the better, but even in these large groups there is micro play buffing, healing stealth, curing and so on. It really depends on what server your on numbers/tactics/vigor If I were you I would go to TC they have a great mix of everything and fight very hard in wvw.
Yea agg are you guys going on a EU tour lol.
@Silentflute guy, you are coming across as a rather juvenile, arrogant and judgemental person. The fact that you are just another one of the people who write stuff about ‘” you guys talk about skill cause you drop a field here and there lol, You run specific builds lol, and you circle each other lol’, shows how little you understand about what you are preaching on
“If watching a few “GvG” isn’t enough to understand educate me plz. I would like to know what I have missed in my 3000 hours of game play. Knowledge is power, stop hogging all the power lol /rolls eyes
Juvenile, arrogant and judgemental
Juvenile lol I have to make fun of you some of you if I didn’t I would catch what ever it is you have.
Arrogant – I just want you guys to not mess over your communities cause if you really thing about it and gvg happens allot more in the lower tiers like you guys say then you guys are killing server mobility and harming the wvw community as a whole not just your individual server. It only seems arrogant because you guys know just as well as I do your not being team players.
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Lol yea it better not be in spvp if they do make “GvG” cause that’s where the skilled players are, and they would show you how much of a joke this is and how skilled you really are.
Even the Super Skilled Spvp players you’re aspiring to (because you obviously aren’t one of them) rant all day about the completely kittened ruleset and balancing. Balancing completely aimed at 5 mans, which would translate terribly to 10-20 people per side.
@Pinko. The balance of a king of the hill is what causes problems and is the reason necro and engi dd/condi aoe is so unbalanced. If it were a death match style game it would be balanced. I don’t know about super skilled but 500th in wins isn’t bad was 400th, but have not been active in like 2 months. Lets try to stay on topic though.
Lets talk about zerg v zerg vs. “GvG” you guys talk about skill cause you drop a field here and there lol, You run specific builds lol, and you circle each other lol. This is the normal wvw play in T1, but they do it against larger number, in a strategic environment. What you guys do is isolate the combat and phase out the strategic part and say it is not fair if you have larger/smaller forces or that you are smarter than I am. Now as a pug training program (the guys that think they are doing something special lol) it’s great, but when it is considered a whole instead of just a shard of wvw it becomes completely counter productive.
Don’t say that you don’t because if you cared about wvw in the first place you would be running these every reset day and we wouldn’t be having this talk.
lastly these shards already exist in each time zone at the same guilds often fight each other. Many guilds make plans as a guild to fight in other time zones to face who they want. If you guys played the game instead of screwing off you would know that and prolly be up here fighting with us.
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Lol yea it better not be in spvp if they do make “GvG” cause that’s where the skilled players are, and they would show you how much of a joke this is and how skilled you really are.
Lets talk about zerg v zerg vs. “GvG” you guys talk about skill cause you drop a field here and there lol, You run specific builds lol, and you circle each other lol. This is the normal wvw play in T1, but they do it against larger number, in a strategic environment. What you guys do is isolate the combat and phase out the strategic part and say it is not fair if you have larger/smaller forces or that you are smarter than I am. Now as a pug training program (the guys that think they are doing something special lol) it’s great, but when it is considered a whole instead of just a shard of wvw it becomes completely counter productive.
Don’t say that you don’t because if you cared about wvw in the first place you would be running these every reset day and we wouldn’t be having this talk.
lastly these shards already exist in each time zone at the same guilds often fight each other. Many guilds make plans as a guild to fight in other time zones to face who they want. If you guys played the game instead of screwing off you would know that and prolly be up here fighting with us.
Omg you guys crying about thieves don’t even know how much pain you are about to be in with the “runes of torment”. Warriors impale = an i win button its going to be nuts.
Lol I doubt you read much at all, in fact I would bet you didn’t even read the rest of this forum.
I wan’t you guys to have fun you don’t see me running through your “GvGs” do you? I just want a little consideration for the real communities efforts and time. After all this is the wvw community in the wvw forums.
You guys bust into a map spam chat cause distraction and take up what is map cap 80 players? so you take up 1/4 of the spots. If you were doing it at the end of the week it would be fine, but your not your taking up time and spots when it counts the most.The maps are always empty before reset and depending on how close the match is the day before.
You guys don’t want to play on a empty maps though you want to pull as many players as you can so you can get a little dime store glory, and your empty stream isn’t doing it for you. If you want people to watch you do something you should have picked something that takes some skill.
I know some of you feel like your pioneering the way, but your not. GvG is in this game it was improved and adapted for this play style the result was wvw. You guys either refuse to take part or simply don’t have what it takes. You guys are the same kill traders from illum in a diff game, but I heard you and the others you guys use more skills and do it in an almost competitive nature. Yea the dr system allows that your not losing any efficiency. If anet went back to the old wvw loot system we would never see “GvG” again.
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Blix your right at the moment they can, but if big papa has to get into it cause the kids can’t play nice who do you think will be shut down?
The spoiled kids acting like Irrational kittens
or their wvwers
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GvG mastery…?
The points I have made are valid so trolling a bit to entertain myself shouldn’t effect it, but your right it might.
“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.” – Oscar wilde
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I spend my 400 tokens for 200 of each button just before the deadline figuring there would be a buff for the representing the winner. I see they have added value to the tokens can we expect a change to the buttons as well?
Not sure why people are still giving this guy attention, when it’s clear that no matter what argument is presented, he’ll just respond rudely. He would have had a valid point to argue if he hadn’t resorted to that — now all I see is troll, troll, troll.
It’s the Internet, you all know how that works, especially on forums. And frankly this thread isn’t worth anyone’s time.
You’re not the inventor of words!!! lol
Are you kidding man? Right I do respond rudely to your foolish arguments about how its ok for you guys disturb people people playing the game as intended. If you kids had any consideration for your servers you would limit it to before reset as asked and this thread wouldn’t exist.
I do troll you guys because its fun easy to troll the dim, and apart from this sentence kept it light an airy because I am funky fresh bro.
GvG is represented in wvw already when your guild is on a map you are fighting other guilds. Your success depends upon the ability of your commander to lead your guild mates. You gain additional forces = to the renown your commanders hold obtained through the effort put forth by your guild.
Choosing a small number of members to fight for your guild is a poor representation in comparison in most cases and due to the limited server mobility a true representation of superiority in the raking system you guys use can never be obtained.
Attempting to change the rules of a game to create the illusion of success is sickening. Of course this is pretending your not just trying to legitimize kill trading.
You are not the inventor of clever!!!
Lol I know this is harder to understand than nascar, but hear me out what you guys do isn’t and will most likely never be a game mode because it is soo simplistic it could never keep the attention of any but the most daft players. I have used term “turning chess into checkers” before when speaking about “GvG” , but that is giving it to much credit what it is doing is turning poker into 52 card pick up or 52 bag pickup.
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There were few to no changes in the patch I assume to do the tourney, but I understand you can’t change the game in the middle of it. So sadly as much as I have been looking forward to solo que I will be waiting for a real patch so now I guess its another 2 weeks to a month of pve and hot join.
Ikr we should call it skill trading and I am not trolling at all you guys are doing almost exactly what when on on illum the only diff here is we have slow dr instead of a hard timer.
Oh and “GvG” didn’t even start till the wvw loot was buffed in fact I believe I was at some of the first if not the first “GvGs” one of my ex guildies was one of the ones that first organized it with bags in mind.
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Good stuff thanks
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I wonder why the OP left Blackgate, since it appears they are quite unhappy on TC. Better still, they should consider a move to JQ. None of the guilds support GvG apparently.
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