Guild Wars 2

Warrs are big and dumb they can’t stealth smash someones head with a hammer sure.
Stealth isn’t a broken mechanic your just bad at countering it. There is no class weak to it atm where as in the past we could pray on wars rangers and necro.

The aoe cap was added a few months ago and the game was playable. The problem is they did a blanked nerf when they should have just nerfed necro aoe as it was the problem. Most other classes with aoe have a proper cd to keep them in check. The exception thief cluster bomb and engi nades, but they both need a direct dmg nerf anyway.

All he is saying is all dps takes a back seat to necro exept maybe might stacking engi with grenades out, but they lack the survival and cc.

Necro will get nerfed in a few days and then engi over powered nade dps will shine again. Then if these guys have managed to remove there heads from their death shroud they will nerf that aswell.

Everything should be pretty balanced then now that neither war or necro are at the bottom class list that place held by thieves. We can always still kill noobs though joy and do not say just use s/* because its poopoo my ranger or mesmer does it better. Condi isnt bad but its to slow and the longer a thief is in a fight the higher his % of loss is since many abilities one shot them.

Eles are close but they are still viable bunkers.

It wasn’t the healing it was the last time they buffed necro they were out of control everyone played them and would just place marks everywhere hundreds of them and it was killing class balance. Honestly I think necro should be the only class with the cap.

What do you know necro killed balance in the game again I think that is a sign that you guys should fire who ever it is in charge of said balance.

just get rid of 8v8

Because it has nothing to do with your account your either a sheepherder or a lamb. If they were to record the exploits of commanders then everyone would just get a commander tag to get their name on the wall making a mess of wvw.

If your talking about wvw points alone it is fine some toon are better suited for some abilities making it more valuable to play more than one toon.

If you guys are jelly over commanders getting points who cares its a waste of points cause the only thing they get to do is herd.

Great info thanks op and dev.

Chase.8415:

I no reason to reset the leaderboards because nearly every single person in top 1000 has got there faced full premades and defeated them. You just can’t simply farm pugs into that ranking. Anything below top 1000 isn’t really worth resetting the entire leaderboard for.

Lol the rules are changing so must the leader boards it has nothing to do with what they did because the system was found to be flawed they would not be changing it otherwise. If the leader board should stand it will just lessen the credibility of both the leader board and Anet. It’s not like the leader board has any as it stands anyway so a reset will just allow teams the chance at a spot worth having.

Edit: The leader boards were not a complete failure they brought a huge amount of players to spvp when it once was a no mans land.

This meta will normalize when necro is nerfed properly so I i would not worry to much then the only problem will be engi nades again.

I would like to see impale nerfed also there healing is over the top its like a constant troll urgent along with there heal.

I would like to see necro brought down from mount Olympus
1.taking away there mega stability in ds
2. breaking fear
3.reducing time in which ds can be maintained

There will be bunkers and proper play as long as necro is made mortal again. I can see there are mostly hot joiners in this thread lucky us they will be stuck in the bottom 30% in hot join hell while the rest of us get to play the game and climb the ladder.

solo que in the top 100 lol I need a eu account.

They pretty much have to reset current rating otherwise team que will be a no mans land. The we will have the same problems we had before ratings.

Ill just stick with my rank one. This creates a new market of stuff to put on the gem store I sure hope they don’t end up making ones that out shine the rank ones because we work hard for those.

idk I think in necro its way to strong because of there cc and immunity to cc in ds. I am currently playing condi thief its pretty high dmg I don’t even have to use heartseeker i just use agony till low then death blossom or vice versa. but its really not that special in thief i get about the same results as direct dmg

Amaterasu.6280:

It’s up in the air I think.

You can have 3 great players in a team vs 5 mediocre players. But if the 3 great players are paired up with 2 new players, it’s going to turn into a 3v5 and the 5 mediocre players could very well win. It’s kinda hard to carry a team in this game alone, that’s why solo Qs have been so dreadful. You can throw any top 10 player in a solo q and they will lose simply because they’ve been paired up with drastically less experienced players.

I don’t know how many times I’ve said in a solo Q “I’ll watch x point, go to another”, then 1-2 other players come in and just sit on point to cap as if it was a hotjoin.

I’ve personally done this experiment to myself – went from r8 – r200 in 1 day of solo Qing.

Did you solo tpvp before rankings came out? If so you were there for the decline of solo que and understand exactly what I am talking about in my previous post. Before the ranking you didn’t have to say anything almost everyone knew there job and did what was expected of them. It was a silent film, a work of art, a masterpiece in which the only sound that could be heard was that of the gears turning softly playing a symphony of excellence.

I don’t think it will be as grand this time around the population is much larger and with hot-join the way it is players are trained to be bad hopefully the dmg isn’t to bad and it can be fixed. What really worries me are those current solo quers that lose 80% of there matches and assume its just because they are facing pre-mades.

Someone got into an argument about team que and farming solo quers you play who ever is on rank has little to do with it when I solo qued durring oceanic times there would be times I would face the same top 500 team 4x in a row at like 80% personal ranking. If you play during eu/na hours the only time you can actually solo que cause the player base is sooo bad you are totally not getting top rated teams because of the player base in those time zones, but the point is moot cause its over and we will finally get to see who the best really is.

My guess is allot of these fail teams are going to post something like we are focusing on solo que right now we didn’t leave because we can’t farm solo for easy rating and are getting smashed by real teams.

It will not be the same cause it will bring good tpvpers into the mix again since they don’t have to worry about crashing there team rating. It will be like it was when you could actually solo que ah memories.

I think I will be at the top, but what I really care about is that they reset both rankings cause if not it will kill team que.

Zomg its everything ive always wanted well most things. I would still like to see exploding food trap and trap mastery.

Idk if this is legit but that is a horrid idea because it would promote zerg play even more when they game can not handle it as it is.

You can totaly find small scale though you just have to make sure your not near a zerg your or theirs and stay off the highways. take out yakers and those spawning and most times you can goad out a scout/sentury.

It already has its own scaling since they go past the stat threshold we can not obtain in spvp furthermore pve isn’t competitive so there is no balance to have, but I am glad you have come to this conclusion.

When I don’t get chain feared to death I kill them lol but more often then not I get chain feared to death. It is prolly cause we are one of the only classes that can make them pay enough for missing chain fear or using it on someone else.

I have always had fun in gw2 allot less recently just because of how kitten -strong necro is, but that may just be that it is the worse time to play a thief and I picked it up right before the necro buff. I just stay out of tpvp for the most part at the moment. Trying to lv the thief in the pve world at least with this living story there are same really fun mini games that have kept me busy. I will be back to tpvp after it is toned down a bit they use to be the bunker killers now they are the everything killers.

It is looked down upon by pvpers because there is no skilled play involved by individual players who most of the time couldn’t use there skills even if they wanted to. There are skilled commanders, but that is really a moot point with the ability to teleport across the map: 60 men can move as fast as a group of 20.

I would like to see a hour cap on way points myself apart from home point. Or they could lower the player cap.

Most wvwers are not pvpers and don’t do well them selves. There is strength in numbers, but it is taken to far and leads to very poor game play. I find it hard to stay on a tag because I want to fight not stand in a group to feel safe lol. I end up missing caps trying to pull one or two players away to duel and end up getting jumped by 8 people more often then not like hot join spvp lol. Overall its a play style that no one enjoys apart from commanders, but casuals enjoy it more than getting japed by roaming pvpers.

In hot join you run into the same type of play the reason tpvpers feel it’s a joke. In both wvw and more so in hot join it removes the strategic element of the game for at least one side making the game fun for neither.

Classes i see:
1. necro
2. guard
3. mesmer
4.warr
5. ranger
6.thief
7.ele
8. engi

with the way necros can stunlock and kill people thief/ele/engi are all sitting ducks with there low health pools but thieves you see more often cause we can at least get some shots in on them first.

The skill they use isn’t steal most of the time its sword 2 skill it blinks to the target and set a return point that you can blink back to.

Lol its because most wvwer are bad at pvp and they can just run around owning people with low exp. My thief is lv 37 in pve world and people in wvw freak out and run from me half the time in teir 1. Oh no a thief i should run away and give him my back they turn around after they realize I can’t do any dmg to them and like one shot me but whatevs.

And bro worried about being nerfed we are like the weakest class right now we can kill new players and other thieves that’s about it. I struggle in hot join if there is anyone like lv 20+ cause they know a thief is an easy kill.

Edit: But I can always run away

garethh.3518:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Those crying about stealth if you have enough exp with or against thieves they are easy to kill. In my view the issue is more about the evasion not that they should not be evasive but it makes these nobs that are QQ feel stupid for what ever reason. The evasion of s/d is over the top, but it does poopoo dmg and the longer a thief is in a fight the higher his loss % goes. Even stealth makes them feel dumb, but its just lack of exp.

The balance issues I see are sword skills are a lil too cheap to cast, pistols do to little dmg (it could be a cast time bug as stated in another thread), and cluster bomb does to much dmg.
I think daggers are in a good place if you were to change something though you could change the 5 skill from a 3s stealth to a 3s daze this would take away a backstab and the health/energy regain of the skill and you could rename it liver shot. Like a boxer knocking someone out with a body shot.

Thieves need to spam their abilities to be viable… if you just cut at their ability to spam, they will jbe in a worse spot than ever.
The only way to make them less spammy, yet stay viable is to do a decent change to how the class operates.

That can be anything from having each of the abilities give a buff that isn’t conducive of spamming. Like all abilities give buffs to your next few auto attacks (heartseaker->weakness, LDB-> bleed, headshot->auto crit, exc.)
Or the teleport thing.

First of brother there is allot more timing to a thief than any other class and what rotation we do have is in our utilities a slow play when compared to any other class since we don’t just mash a button once its off cd. Our internal timers are set by compounding reveal that takes a bit to get use to. Our weapon skills do some time get used more than once because they are situational. There is nothing wrong with the class apart from some minor balance issues. If you don’t like the class don’t play it, but I doubt you do anyway.

Those crying about stealth if you have enough exp with or against thieves they are easy to kill. In my view the issue is more about the evasion not that they should not be evasive but it makes these nobs that are QQ feel stupid for what ever reason. The evasion of s/d is over the top, but it does poopoo dmg and the longer a thief is in a fight the higher his loss % goes. Even stealth makes them feel inferior, but its just lack of exp.

The balance issues I see are sword skills are a lil too cheap to cast, pistols do to little dmg (it could be a cast time bug as stated in another thread), and cluster bomb does to much dmg.
I think daggers are in a good place if you were to change something though you could change the 5 skill from a 3s stealth to a 3s daze this would take away a backstab and the health/energy regain of the skill and you could rename it liver shot. Like a boxer knocking someone out with a body shot they tense up can’t move and fall over like a downed tree. The animation seems like it would fit.

Eliminating the ability to stealth at anytime reveal is not up.

Making the timing of stealth utilities more valuable.

Indirectly lowering dagger dps and survival in group situations.

lolz I hope they pass this around at anet.

You guys talk about sword dagger allot its trash unless your facing a hgh engi or a bunker its worthless and even then in the case of a bunker it takes a long time. Its more of a troll wep set than anything. maybe you mean s/p but then I might as well be playing my mesmer since they have utility, aoe, confuse and invul durring their flurry.

lolz of course the most op class spec combo the game has seen will smash a war I am but a lowly thief pretty close to the bottom of the rung now that our targets have all been mega buffed. Our kills mostly come from new players to the game or new to spvp I have been staying out of tpvp cause I have been struggling in even hot join should prolly just go back to ranger, but I like a challenge.

I was doing some hot join on my thief and its normal to see a necro/war team farming hot join, but man I ran into this solo war sword/sword longbow he killed everyone over and over. Three of us got him down to 10% a few times , but he would just run away and regain his health while we were still shooting him. I looked at his spec he was running something like: 10/10/20/0/30 and life steal sigils one was on crit even though he only had like 10% crit chance.His utilitys were bulls charge and all the rest signets. I can’t remember what runes he had, but I was not able to kill him even if i did everything right. I wasn’t the only one though I don’t think he died once in the 3 matches we played. His dps was fantastic as well he would range with the lb till he had enough rage to use the fire aoe then go sword/sword bulls rush flurry then jump away and go back to longbow and start over. His team lost a few of the matches, but he was untouchable even when we ganged up on him.

Lol Shame I guess we will have to do without your company. I enjoy all aspects of the game everything is amazingly done for an mmo, but I do share your concern I have been sitting out of tpvp waiting for them to tone down necro.

Edit: And the only thing wrong with the instances is that the players exploit their way through them. You can’t pve for a challenge cause people would rather find a spot to de agro or leash then to fight as intended even if it takes longer. It is a community issue that is self perpetuating.

Svarty.8019:

Should server caps be increased again?

No, they need to be reduced by 50%

This^

Your right lol not off topic at all.

Oooo did he guess one of the 5-8 classes you play out of 8 lol sheeple are so funny.

… lol I am sry you were killed by a thief. I do tpvp with a thief/Ranger/engi/mesmer I just deleted my necro since everyone is playing them now started a guard. your ability to choose one of the 5 classes I play out of 8 is astounding tell me how will Justien Beiber die I would like to be prepped. Lets stay on topic.

The other classes that stun lock have to constantly cast skills to do it they don’t get to dps in between cc.

Lol Cry me a river you guys are still the top class in the game an have the ability to stunlock and kill some one before they can move. You still need nerfs you can’t have everything sick dps/survival of a bunker in dps/and crazy cc get real man.

He was talking about how bad thieves are now and that you might as well nerf them to death cause they are almost unplayable as it is. The wins that he gets are from new players that have no understanding of the game and that these are the only players that think thieves are op you can find there posts all over the spvp and wvw forums. I mean you know there is a problem when you are struggling in hot join but I feel you brother I feel ya.

They can stunlock and kill you before you can do anything it wasn’t ok when thieves could do it its not ok now.

If you have guildies willing to scout, sit in keeps, and type for you you are ready.

lol Thief stealth does break on dmg you knob. A thief was one of my 10 80s in wow also trust me thief in wow was 4x stronger not that it even matters.

Blackgate > TC > JQ > DB > Sor

Blackgate – most of us are rockstars

TC – is suppose to have allot of rpers and they are always nice and allot of fun.

JQ – I am not sure if it still is, but was the heritage server so you have allot of players from gw1 and it is prolly one of the most stable servers a long with TC. It was also the first full server if i remember right.

DB – Some of them are former black gate so there are some good seeds there its like rock star light.

Sor – I don’t know allot about them, but i think they are mostly asian or were.

There is the same problem with tpvp spvp.

Don’t let them scare you off rangers are amazing I play thief also , yaking on my ranger is way better as a thief you can either kill them or run away as a ranger if you don’t make any mistakes you will kill them.

Terrahero.9358:

Thesilentflute.8761:

lol if you guys really have this much trouble with them carry a reveal trap with you and its game over for any thief but from some of the stuff i see here though that may not even help you lol.

Listen to this guy. Top advice.

In order to beat a Thief you need to buy a Stealth Trap for 15 badges and carry around 10 supply. If you run into a Thief you need to then spend 4seconds placing the trap. Using up that 10supply.

This next part is really important.

PRAY the Thief is actually stupid enough to walk into the fairly small range at which the trap triggers.
Well, now he has Revealed for 30seconds so he’ll just run away. He’ll be back shortly however… So, yah.

And there you have it, as you can see Thieves are perfectly balanced as there are totally, perfectly reasonable, counters.

LOL you guys are such weiners I said if you are not able to kill one yourself lol. My main is a ranger and you know who loves to kill rangers…. that’s right thieves, but ill smash a thief one on one cause they are so squishy and maybe cause I also play one.
Like i said above most abilities will smash a thief and they have no stability. About the trap you should always have at least 10 supply and if he is going to kill you if you don’t use it well you better then and you don’t have to worry about missing they will come to you. lol S o y e a l i k e I s a i d a l l y o u h a v e t o d o i s p l a y b e t t e r !

I was hoping this thread would just die cause its silly. Listen loosing one week means nothing and every time you face a good server you get to learn strats and have time to practice them the next week. This may not effect you directly, but it will the organized groups on your server and it’s huge. On our rise in black gate we learned sooo much and adapted as fast as we could because its a diff game up here. Not that we didn’t pull in some help hell many of the guilds we grabbed were the ones that gave us a hard time in lower tiers. Also all it takes is one week for a good server to go bad if your having issues with your wvw grab some guilds from other servers and before you know it that snow ball will be running down the hill smashing those in your way. It looks like blackgate may be the new Goliath and with the current system anet is giving every server the tools to be the new David. Good luck all see you on the field.