Guild Wars 2

Shadowrun returns was super fun check it out. Now to see if I can get caught up before the new divine divinity comes out.

While I think the way they are doing it is silly whats done is done and the game play will get better over the next few months and hopefully we will have better balance with all the classes used.

Spirit ranger isn’t the only class like this I play allot of thief and do my best just to live I get to kill someone only if they make a huge mistake, so I made a guardian and without really knowing what my skills did killed everyone mashing buttons using a aoe mark build.

@ragnar
Most servers can’t cover 24/7 and what the rankings show are correct for the most part these top 3 or 4 servers will most likely never be beaten by anyone below them but 24 hour matches would allow the servers under them a chance to. The ratings would become a better barometer of skill/coverage instead of coverage alone.

About people saying “well we are not going to win today we will try again at reset” you will see that on weekdays because there are servers with isolated coverage and people have jobs, but it is better to end there suffering then to make them endure it for a week over something that they can’t really do a lot about.

An added benefit to the change is it would show time zone over populations and hopefully cause the servers to balance a bit more. If you only have one day to fight in a big match up everyone will want to get in there and get a piece of the action.

@johje holan
I think that would be a positive change as well.

Xsorus.2507:

SWTOR has a new patch up on their test Server.

4v4 Death Match Arena’s

Best of 3, Matches are 5 minutes long (before Gas starts coming in)

a Group and Single Player Queue, in the Single Player queue, sides are matched based on Roles

So if one side has 2 Healers, the other side will have 2 Healers as well. If one side is 4 tanks, the other side is 4 Tanks.

Its also got ranking.

I played on the PTS the day they came up, and its VASTLY more fun then anything in this game in terms of Structured PvP (GW2 still has it beat on World PvP, but then again World PvP in SWTOR is so God Awful its about comparable to SPVP in this game)

What we should all do is just stay away from mmo’s they are all crap gw2 is just be least smelly. We should stick to games like dark souls and push the market in that direction instead of wasting our times on these poor BTL’s. All though it would be cool to bust out my no longer obtainable pvp speeder.

Pray For Kosmos.5849:

Thesilentflute.8761:

New modes are a big investment new large interactive/reactionary maps, revamping both tpvp and hot join browsers, and keeping a class balance that works in each. I think it may be something they do in the future, but at least for right now they are having trouble with balance alone.

While new game modes would be great the current issue is the game play not the game mode. The balance right now is horrid, but you have to look at the bigger picture with the addition of torment to warr.thief.mesmer, and necro they are trying to advance these classes so they are less reliant on basic mechanics and bring those that were not being used some use.

The trinity has nothing to do with it look at spirit watch or the boat map if you want to know why we do not have other game modes. Spirit watch is pretty much cap the flag and is not in tourney rotation because they have not balanced for mobility or cc and the boat lv is not in rotation because underwater combat is not balanced.

While I think the way they are doing it is silly whats done is done and the game play will get better over the next few months and hopefully we will have better balance with all the classes used.

I think you couldn’t be any further from the truth. Balance has nothing to do with new game modes. Balance could quite possibly fix itself with introduction of new games modes. No MMO is balanced, ever. This is a copout, and Anet knows so. They are doing everything they can to keep conquest as a mode (i.e. reduced game effects). All I’m saying is don’t expect sPvP to go anywhere in this game. This is not an e-sport game because the actual game mode is horrid. This is a huge problem for me and others since PvP is my end game. Without strong PvP, there is simply no reason to log in.

Listen man I listed the reasons and gave examples of why you were mistaken you can’t just say I am wrong with no evidence to the contrary.

While it may be true that no mmo is completely balance you have to at least hit in between the lines and this isn’t your normal mmo, this is a strategic fighting game or at least was till they made aoe here the top strat.

New modes are a big investment new large interactive/reactionary maps, revamping both tpvp and hot join browsers, and keeping a class balance that works in each. I think it may be something they do in the future, but at least for right now they are having trouble with balance alone.

While new game modes would be great the current issue is the game play not the game mode. The balance right now is horrid, but you have to look at the bigger picture with the addition of torment to warr.thief.mesmer, and necro they are trying to advance these classes so they are less reliant on basic mechanics and bring those that were not being used some use.

The trinity has nothing to do with it look at spirit watch or the boat map if you want to know why we do not have other game modes. Spirit watch is pretty much cap the flag and is not in tourney rotation because they have not balanced for mobility or cc and the boat lv is not in rotation because underwater combat is not balanced.

While I think the way they are doing it is silly whats done is done and the game play will get better over the next few months and hopefully we will have better balance with all the classes used.

Thesilentflute.8761:

It has nothing to do with a healing class lol. We were close to balance a few months ago at this time the only problem was that engi granades were to strong. Instead of fixing this problem they choose to make it worse by balancing around engis over powered dps. This is the reason we have this trash game play

It has for the most part taken away the use of bunkers killing strategic play. I had this discussion on these forums a few months ago sadly anet has no common sense and went with the guys that said don’t nerf me bro because 1. they had a big name “lol what a joke” and 2 because were more players opposing balance so now every player and the game suffers for it.

I get into a lot of discussions on these forums and am almost always combated by much larger groups the thing to remember in this is that the intelligent people are almost never the majority.

Now we are in a place where everyone is coming the the realization I had months ago because they can see what it has become. Sadly with the addition of torment there is no fast fix and it will take months to re-balance properly.

There are healers in this game they just use hots apart from guard who has direct heals. Ele might as well but i don’t play ele so i can’t be sure.
Your connection between the two makes no sense. What is more likely is we don’t have other game modes because each requires a heavy investment in map design with the specific content in mind cap the flag and death match for instance would require larger more open maps with trap rotations and some sort of nuke button/buttons for primary/secondary focal points.
Edit: It blows my mind that you think game modes are the problem when combat is what it is in group environments. Like I said we need more aoe lol (…sigh I give up).

It has nothing to do with a healing class lol. We were close to balance a few months ago at this time the only problem was that engi granades were to strong. Instead of fixing this problem they choose to make it worse by balancing around engis over powered dps. This is the reason we have this trash game play

It has for the most part taken away the use of bunkers killing strategic play. I had this discussion on these forums a few months ago sadly anet has no common sense and went with the guys that said don’t nerf me bro because 1. they had a big name “lol what a joke” and 2 because were more players opposing balance so now every player and the game suffers for it.

I get into a lot of discussions on these forums and am almost always combated by much larger groups the thing to remember in this is that the intelligent people are almost never the majority.

Now we are in a place where everyone is coming the the realization I had months ago because they can see what it has become. Sadly with the addition of torment there is no fast fix and it will take months to re-balance properly.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

You poor thing. So your team has less teams to play agaisnt? You mean all those SoloQ’ers that got matched agaisnt your team? There’s no more SoloQ’ers to feast on anymore.

Poor you.

lol I like this guy somewhere I have a post that says….. wait ill go find it.

“My guess is allot of these fail teams are going to post something like we are focusing on solo que right now we didn’t leave because we can’t farm solo for easy rating and are getting smashed by real teams.”

I also said this go figure:
They pretty much have to reset current rating otherwise team que will be a no mans land. Then we will have the same problems we had before ratings.

Why doesn’t anet listen to reason. I also called the engi and necro problems months ago. Hi anet my name is reason to bad we didn’t meet sooner i wish you luck.

dreztina.4820:

I find it very odd that GvG in this game has ended up as zerg vs. zerg. It’s nice that something at least is evolving in this game, but still seems strange to me.

I think you mean de-evolving its like all the zerg without any of the strategy.

@Wanze just because a guild has 20/50 or 20/500 that “gvg” you don’t count the total number of players the guild has. I am sure we both agree the avg team size is 20 players so using 20 players is the most accurate way to find the proper estimation right…. right.

It’s a shame that they were so close to balance then just went nuts with a few classes and made the game a joke.

You guys should set your sight a bit higher than 5k of 5mill. let’s say for some crazy reason anet did bite. It would kill the game not because there should not be GvG, but because only one of their current game modes… wvw works and holding 5k players above there large communities would ruin players already wavering faith.

I know you guys want to be able to get married but your ruining the Sanctity of WvW.
Next thing you know you guys are going to try to marry a dolyak.

Did you just call 5000 people …?.. no more like 1,500 and a bunch of people that got to drunk one night and ended up on the wrong end of a game of pitch and catch.

Joking aside look at the leader boards in NA everyone above rank 20 has 100% losses and above 52 for eu. So looking at win/losses you guys have 72 competitive teams that comes out to 1440 players the rest are pvers and rpers you guys have prayed apon lol. Not only can you gain rating by killing pvers you can even kill the same pvers over and over.
http://gw2gvg.com/leaderboard.php?r=na

You guys just did a really poor job with the ratings ?.?.? …………..do you guys work for anet? GJ who ever did the site though It’s clean and the depth it goes into is amazing.

I will still prolly pop on for guild events, but I am downloading shadowrun returns right now didn’t realize it came out two weeks ago. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns.

I am sure it will be cool, but if not ill finish off the divine divinity series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Divinity

Until age of decadence comes out http://irontowerstudio.com/

I think you guys both have good points.
@ jcbroe
Sometimes people start to believe their own hype. Is it fun? No not really.

@ volrath
Maybe I should stop wasting my time on these forums and go play a game I enjoy aswell.

The sanctum of jade server is really doing well this match up they might even beat blackgate.

I think those streams are the reason players run copy and paste builds and I would avoid it. You have the ability to try out all the classes 80 in spvp.

ensoriki.5789:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Hot join is the problem here 8v8 to be more specific where you can get more points zerging then you can playing the game as intended. This is the first thing spvper are exposed to after the stomp instructions and is what is killing the player base. They should make it so you don’t get any points in hot join unless you win then everyone would learn to play so they could get there next finisher. Really with the “meta” the way it is though hot join is not to far off from tpvp anyway.

Or they’d quit the game lol.

Sounds like a win win to me because how does anyone expect to get new players in the ranks when the skill cap for the only reward is 0. Even worse is these players pass the torch and teach new players to be bad at the game as well.

lets be real they wouldn’t quit they would learn to play or go back to pve cause they are just there to farm points for achievements/finishers anyway.

Hot join is the problem here 8v8 to be more specific where you can get more points zerging then you can playing the game as intended. This is the first thing spvper are exposed to after the stomp instructions and is what is killing the player base. They should make it so you don’t get any points in hot join unless you win then everyone would learn to play so they could get there next finisher. Really with the “meta” the way it is though hot join is not to far off from tpvp anyway.

@ Part Time Saint
I feel ya man one of my buddies bought the game two weeks ago and felt the exact same way this is a guy I know in real life and did arena with in wow for around 8 years It sucks that first impressions are so important cause I prolly won’t get him back.

@jzaku
Are you implying that my view was molded by someone else?… My quote is from months ago. I don’t know who the “Top Players” are lol and I don’t know what anyone considers casual, but there are only like 460 people in NA with more wins than myself and I have not tpvped since they obliterated the balance in this game.

Oh well that doesn’t matter when it comes to how it looks, I could care less…. I just want to be able enjoy my game again.

Thesilentflute.8761:

“OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.”

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

Ok so months have gone by and you guys went with option 3 it looks like. At least engi isn’t the most op class anymore its second lol. Well at least everyone loves the game play…. why actually play a game when you can just aoe here and hope your team is the one with more aoe. Strategy?? bunkers?? those are for fools what we need is more aoe dps so we can zerg around and drop the bomb like in wvvw. Screw fixing hot join that would take work lets just make tpvp like hot join and everyone wins.

and now this may be a silly question how many months before we have close to balanced, strategic, and fun to play game again.

butch people like you are the reason the human race is doomed.

Over buffing is the reason we are in this mess because a bunch of overrated kittens said my class isn’t op just buff him.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Your hyperbole about how obscene the DPS of engineers is is blatantly mistaken.

I think we will all agree on how obscene it is now that there is another class that matches its aoe dps output or at least comes near in combo with cc.

Yea same the weekends are when I always have the most fun. With 24 hour matches it would allow servers with out 24/7 coverage to compete with the large servers. All it would take is a few commanders/guilds to say you know what we are going to trash these guys they might have the coverage, but we are better than they are lets pull an all nighter and show them whats up.

Lol idk about that one guy said he was top 100 in team rating as a solo que just saying that could not happen in NA.

While there are issues with the systems the class problems are much worse and have a much larger effect on play in spvp. I personally can’t enjoy even hot join the way the “meta” is now not that hot join was a grand thing to begin with.

+1 someone should be fired over this trash.

I was talking about the classes, but lets go ahead and talk about the systems for a short moment.

Milo they did all of those things apart from disable hot join…. so your to blame lol, and I didn’t understand anything from the bottom half of the page.

The way solo works is fine the problem is that instead of it being completely random like it was before the leaderboards. They have moved to this hierarchy system instead of saying well if you get stuck with lv ones tough kitten that’s rng it means there are new people coming into our game mode do your best to teach them how to play.

They said we have a problem with high ranked players getting matched with low ranked teams solo quing in team que. So they thought lets make sure that our solo system ranks players rating and then matches the teams so we know everyone on a team is on around the same lv and it does for the most part.

In reality though they are just compounding a problem they should not have. There should not be any matchmaking system in solo que if a team gets a good player good for them maybe he will teach them something and if a good player gets stuck with a bunch of bads tough kitten maybe you will be able to teach them something.

The rating/matchmaking system only had value in team que before we had solo que now that we do its worthless in both.

You seem to continue to compound your mistakes so much so that the spvp portion of the game in its current state is almost unplayable. You have lots of bells and whistles like solo que and the tourney, but your players don’t want to play in the environment you guys have created… wait I take it back they do want to but really can’t.

This was a post of mine from months ago….

Ostricheggs.3742:

Your hyperbole about how obscene the DPS of engineers is is blatantly mistaken.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Godofallu.2935:

OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

….are you telling me that I have more foresight than the people working on this game.

Krayiss.4926:

@thesilent
What balance? Look at these 4 pictures please about why Matchmaking Sucks
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Anet-why-does-Tpvp-matchmaking-suck-pics/first#post2605772

nice work

I would not be shocked if this was intended so they could try to place some of their slow nephews in a position of high rank to bad by doing so voids any chance of the game being taken seriously and ultimately surviving. It’s not like the current balance isn’t a joke anyway so why not.

Just wondering what class did they play to do this necro or engi?

Unless there are multiple things you can do with the orb aside from the buff it will be a big let down. The quaggans leaving is a bit telling and cause of worry since no one likes underwater combat., But this will prolly be in conjunction with underwater stomp. There were posts around a year ago that talked about placing a mega boss into the lake that would drop an orb of power and would spawn at random but we will just have to wait and see I guess.
“I really do not like the idea of orb stat buffs, and am really pressed to see how this could be positive for wvw as a whole for ALL servers.”
I can’t agree more wvw is already a ghost town the last few day of the matches. I don’t see how they plan to keep what ever it is away from someone that has control of a map. It will add to the value of oceanic sea players, make it even harder to regain a map, and make the morale problems much worse.

sublime goes doggy.4826:

1. go buy a mic
2.install teamspeak or other voice program
3. Find a team
4. play with voip tell me if you dont see a diff in your teamplay/rotation/postionment/rez.

That’s the point man.

I have and use voice coms, but it seems pointless to solo que if your going to be running the same meta and strats as team que. I was kind of hoping the game mode would rely more on personal skill lv than meta gaming.

I bet it has a lot more to do with balance than the que systems. I am shocked it’s that short I don’t know for my self cause I won’t let myself tpvp till they fix this trash.

I think larger capture points is a fantastic idea it would allow use to use environment and still hold point. I don’t really care to much about watching or other people watching I would be happy if it was playable spvp is garbage right now. The worse part is they ruined one of the things there spvpers were waiting months for solo que. Someone should get fired over this balance.

They prolly need the wvwers to come in with the balance the way it is the spvpers are gone for the most part lol. I am one lv away from tiger and I was going to grind it out in hot join, but kitten this game is unplayable as it is. I’m done with it until the worthless spvp team does something right I guess ill go farm some noobs in wvw.

Role playing game we are all rper infact wvwers are the biggest rpers they pretend to be we believe we are. We are generals and warriors fighting for our homeland.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Everyone on the “GvG” “leader boards” above rank 20 has a 100% loss ratio for NA and above 52 for EU. It seems more like a pyramid scheme to me lol.

lol you "GvG"ers are too much you can’t see it or explain it, but its there… skill.

What about this yaro?

It is so funny in our last T1 match up it was a pve guild "GvG"ing from blackgate. So is that’s what you guys do? You challenge Pvers and RPers to pvp lol and then spectate it like its not a farce.

With server mobility the way it is you couldn’t set up proper matches even if you wanted to.

That doesn’t matter though does it cause that’s not what it is all about ehh. It is about ekitten and it doesn’t matter if your opposition are pvers as long as you can make a video.

Fair enough have fun in your next match.

I didn’t explain well I guess what I was saying is that wvwers don’t get anywhere near as much small combat exp. as spvpers do, and it is the reason we farm them. If you put wvwers in hot join they will most likely not get any better because we all know what hot join is like.

You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to If your talking about min maxing there can only be one. You should try not being a sheep.

Stealth.9324:

And the OP never come back….. Well too bad, please let this thread fall into Darkness, and let God has mercy on Op’s soul..Amen.

The thread you just bumped? You knuckle draggers are funny.

listen do you guys have the ability to kill threads with snarky comments that have no substance?… sure. You guys have to realize though its not because you got him lol, but because the op knows they could have a better discussion with a wall there is a time and a place for being a fools like at your dead end job or the one you are looking for so hop of you parents couch get out and smell the roses yolo lol.

The system isn’t the problem its the players that exploit this stuff so they can get a high rating and in turn make the rating worthless. What would be nice is if Anet banned some of these kids or at least banned them from the official leader boards because this ruins the hard work and effort of the guys that don’t cheat. This is a video game everything has a trail.

I think Anet will be with happy with any ideas that has very little cost with high potential benefit to both the players and themselves(I will go into profit potential if this thread gets some footing).

The power is yours …. GO PLANET!! …lol

Go back to wvw lol

I do both and the reason the wvw doesn’t come into spvp is because we will kill them. Most of them can follow a dot, but when it comes to combat are crap without there armies. It is the reason spvpers often make small groups to roam wvw to trash the noobs.

I mean many pop in to hot join for the daily, but idk if that is really what anyone wants is a higher hotjoin pop. Let alone if it should spill over into tpvp anymore than it already does.

lastly I don’t think taking value away from time and effort of the real tpvpers spvpers in spvp would have any positive effects on its players.

It was the reason I am waiting till they do an actual balance patch to start solo que. They didn’t want to change the classes half way through the tourney, because it could effect the outcome and it wouldn’t be legit so they choose to ruin the legitimacy of there tpvp period till the tourney is over. Its all a joke anyway because of how kittened up the balance was when the tourney was started.

I wonder how many matches are decided by how fast you got into ts or how many of you or your enemy players use a mac. Because anyone that uses a mac knows there are some ts/vent/mumble servers you can’t use for some reason.

Ok so using a program outside of gw2 (voice communication) is required for success gotcha.

That is a fair point wryog my views about the kill trading aspect of it were formed when a friend of mine had organized some of the first "GvG"s with the new bag drop rates in mind and may or may not reflect upon the players today.

So lets talk about the “Game Modes” legitimacy for a sec.

Everyone on the “GvG” “leader boards” above rank 20 has a 100% loss ratio for NA and above 52 for EU.

With server mobility the way it is they couldn’t set up proper matches even if they wanted to.

And in the example of last weeks match up a pve guild was challenged to pvp and it was recorded upon their rankings. You guys should stick to Rpers though they will not allow their honor to be tarnished.

It seems more like a pyramid scheme to me. If your wondering what they get it’s ekitten.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Everyone on the “GvG” “leader boards” above rank 20 has a 100% loss ratio for NA and above 52 for EU. It seems more like a pyramid scheme to me lol.

lol you "GvG"ers are too much you can’t see it or explain it, but its there… skill.

What about this yaro?

It is so funny in our last T1 match up it was a pve guild "GvG"ing from blackgate. So is that’s what you guys do? You challenge Pvers and RPers to pvp lol and then spectate it like its not a farce.

With server mobility the way it is you couldn’t set up proper matches even if you wanted to.

That doesn’t matter though does it cause that’s not what it is all about ehh. It is about ekitten and it doesn’t matter if your opposition are pvers as long as you can make a video.

I think it is fantastic that the orbs will soon be in game again. I hope it was done in a way that really adds to our current play or changes it and isn’t just a talking point we are happy about till its actually here as it changes little to nothing.

I can see how you could take that from it, but I’m not really burnt out. I had our opposition in mind, wvw as a whole, and even “GvG”. I spend a lot of time on the forums and read almost every thread it sounds like some people are going hollow.

I think it is because even though it is a fantastic game mode there are really no highlights. Spvp has big tourneys, pve has big events, and we have a job lol. It’s the reason the "GvG"ers are so adamant about what they do and the reason we have been seeing so many posts about how the devs don’t care, though we all know they have done an amazing job with what we have.

If it is something as simple as that it can be done without any development. Also the glory of some grand wvw tourney sounds pretty amazing and the 24 hour matches would give servers time to prep, a chance to feel out other servers, as well as build morale.

So I figured I would toss this out there and see what everyone else thought.