Guild Wars 2

Long bows 1 skill a bit clunky cause it counter intuitive it should do more dmg the closer you are not farther. It has that great knockback and the change in hunters shot allows a hunter to go melee when ever they choose instead of having to wait till the target comes to you. s/d

The change in hunters shot drops target to your pet every 9s not saying that it allows you do to enough dmg against a bunk ele, but it does increase def.

I run like 5 poisons to counter bunkers doesn’t always work though.

Edit: re written so some words used were not kitten???

Have you played direct dmg ranger? It was good before and its pretty killer now you can signet of renewal for condi removal. Your post was long winded and lacking focus, but it seemed like you were talking about min maxing (have to do this have to do that). When min/maxing there can be only one the most viable spec in the game seems the pass like the baaa from a sheep mouth where these kids watch a video that tells them how to play and how to spec, but any spec that works for you is a viable one since the combat here is fluid unlike wow most choices situational, and the comment about ai its your choice to run 3 spirits then dodge roll 7-13 times once you enter combat. As fun as that sounds I think I would be playing another class if that’s what i was left with. I am not going to post any of my build as direct dmg is pretty strait forward.

I hate it when people miss use Metagaming = a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.

lol if you guys really have this much trouble with them carry a reveal trap with you and its game over for any thief but from some of the stuff i see here though that may not even help you lol.

I do allot of yaking on my ranger pre lb buff I’m sure it’s even better now. I don’t like how ele plays, but that is prolly another good one. A shatter mesmer with blink would be good aswell. Really the only classes I would not want to roam on are guard necro and engi.

1/2 second cast time on marks so you cant faceroll the keyboard and put every condi on your target

Lachanche.6859:

Thesilentflute.8761:

1. Necro
2. Engi/Mesmer
3. Ranger
4. Guardian
5. Warr
6. Ele
7.Thief

400+ tpvp wins – Classes: ranger/thief/mesmer/engi

1096 tournament wins here distributed on every class except for engineer and elementalists.

i disagree with you.

Odd there is no one with your account name at or around the wins you posted in either NA or EU… lol there is no reason to lie here man.

1. Necro
2. Engi/Mesmer
3. Ranger
4. Guardian
5. Warr
6. Ele
7.Thief

400+ tpvp wins – Classes: ranger/thief/mesmer/engi

It seems to me you are new to the game not understanding your own servers focus having trouble finding groups with sites like gw2lfg.com or gw2lfg.net. Basing the life of your server on achiv point it seems that your group is pve focused and your server is not.

Now as far at your largest wvw guild leaving its takes a good server community to shine in wvw and if there are people not putting in time its not fun for anyone. I am sure you guys still have really good tpvp which has been your focus for a while and will still bring those players there.

I am sure most of these people have never played a thief and have no idea how squishy they are and how slow their dps really is. As a thief if your not using sword you cant touch a bunker and that is what 60% of wvw is. They also have no idea how little room for error there is do to the low hp.

Edit: edit if you guys played thieves you would know there is multiple specs to play if you use sword it plays kind of like a sword mesmer if you play pistols it plays a bit like a ranger/eng if you play sb you get aoe and there are a tone of really fun other traits to play with.

There is nothing wrong with the class apart from dmg balance between thief weapon sets cluster bomb and the sword flurry 3 skill does to much dmg and pistols do to little.
Now I hate being this guy but thieves are a free kill unless they catch you off guard most of the time my rapid fire one shots them so stop making dumb mistakes and there will be no need to QQ.

sure they can do those things but if your scouting for your team there is room for one scout to speak on ts and that is if you are that teams scout. The clearing siege isn’t viable because of the time it takes and if there are a few players there should be little issue downing a thief if he killed two of you its because you guys made large mistakes.

A cd and cap is what wps need lets say 30 people every 60min or 60 every 90

Yea you never know what may happen if a server wanted to rise through the ranks to pick up people as has been done so many times before your server would prolly be the best choice as it already has a strong pvp community. You could try talking up a merger of the good guilds from jq and sor so they could cut the fat and possibly choose guilds they like on there way up but who knows. I am sure some one will rise to the challenge black gate has presented eventually.

Burn did your read what you wrote god start a thief so you can understand how daft it is. I hate to be one of those guys but if you are having trouble with a thief right now when they are one of if not the weakest class in the game its because your bad. Videos of op thieves from when the game was broken has no barring on anything that goes on in the the virtual world we play in now. You compare a war with stealth and a thief… oh lord give me strength… you just have to play both classes so you can understand your ignorance of game mechanics sadly this will not help you with your fixation on you tube videos or pro wrestling.

Because when one turkey starts to gobble they all do and because though you may be able to suggest something with a photo it does not make it true it could be a simple lack of understanding of game mechanics. If such things were aloud those with bitter souls would use such ability as a weapon to attempt to harm those that are just in an attempt to weaken there hardy hearts.

lol you must not wvw much or play a thief cause those videos are from 7months ago when they were op cause of culling and higher dps.

We already have GvG its called wvw you know who is number 1-10 the guilds on blackgate. Why you would want to take the strategy out of combat I have no idea, but to each there own.

First off heart seeker is only used once your target hits 50% period and a thieves stealth skills cooldowns are 30 32 and 48 if traited for it. He should be tapped from trying to get you down to 50% if he even can and he should have already used both his hide in shadows and blinding powder to heal so he pops shadow refuge and if you don’t aoe the refuge in the 4s you have or heal in the 8-10 seconds you have you will prolly get heart seeker to death, but if you did either of those things the thief is prolly going to run away or die. It isn’t that I don’t wvw I just don’t wvw on my thief cause its lv 30 I kill thieves with one rapid fire on my ranger pre ranger buff Or with one shatter on my utility/lyssa mesmer. I am not saying that thieves are complete push overs cause if they catch you off guard can be a real pain, but thieves are sooo far from op or even on the radar… this is how bad they are right now my friend that only tpvp and wvw switched to a warrior months ago cause of how weak thief is… a warrior and keep in mind this was before all the buffs war has gotten. The op also made a thread about how op snow leopard is maybe we should focus on that skill cause its obviously imbalanced.

This must be a EU thread I’ve now heard of any of the guilds listed and spent most of my time in the game upper tier wvw.

lol norn leets are pretty worthless apart from using it to run away lol this seems like a waste of time. It sounds to me like someone was trolling you and it worked. I should stay out of the forums too many good ideas lol.

Lol im shocked this thread has this many views when its just someone raging cause he was jumped by a thief… the weakest class in the game right now. I main ranger but also play a thief in tpvp and I promise you that you have 2x more to worry about from a ranger than you do a thief so buck up buddy cause it sounds like your in for a ride lol.

Edit: Thieves can be dropped in one second by some classes and can’t touch others but they do ok dmg under 50%. Now most of my exp is in tpvp so the stat values are not the same so I am sure that there dmg is more impressive in wvw but so is everyone elses dmg and def. Also keep in mind that thiefs can not really take part in zerg v zerg play cause they are soo squishy and most people won’t take them in pve (myself included). So right now they are one of the weakest tpvpers, wvwers,and pvers in the game. You got took by a thief it happens friends don’t let friends yak alone.

Listen guys this is already been fixed just not implemented yet. there is solo rating and new ranks along with proper group que ranks. I do agree though the player base has gotten so bad since ranks came out. When the changes are implemented though it should fix all of these problems and there will most likely be a rankings reset at this time.

This is more or less a counter zerg measure I was thinking a 30-60 min cool down for any way point used and a 10s respawn timer for those zergs that would just try to suicide off a cliff to subvert it. This would cripple zergs ability to insta port to locations making them pay for isolating their forces in faraway lands.

Not that I am really against zerg play It can be fun, but there has to be a line when you can no longer play the game because of lag… well that is the line. So I guess this isn’t so much a counter zerg measure as a zerg division measure creating at least a need for a home and away team instead of just one scout in a tower.

The source of the dps makes little difference when we are comparing Hgh and necro as they both primary condi dmg. Necro even with boon stripping preforms at = to or lower lv than engi in this regard while being specialized for countering bunkers.

Edit: In the case of bunker engineers they have a immunity to condi dmg at 25% health witch does not effect hgh at all since they do both condi and direct dmg at high lv due to their might stacks it does not even require a kit or weapon switch.

Edit 2: My engi in bunk has 25k+ hp

“OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.”

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

They do have a disadvantage a huge one in gw2… You can’t see their armor. So even if they farm/buy the most epic gear It looks like crap. Say at some point Anet throws a hug tourney with a pve world reward to show off your truly epic epixness… doesn’t matter cause asuras still look like crap and are so small you still don’t get to show it off.

Edit: Even when I comes to the pvp locker It is pointless but still a fun thing that asura don’t really get to enjoy.

capnkewl.5019:

and just an fyi, You can’t run condition immunity under 25% and HGH at the same time… so you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.

Fyi we were talking about bunkers in that post re-read

@raynstargaze aka:???
Lol I didn’t say you were bad, just that your perception was off. You have a nice rank in eu. I am sure you farmed allot of solo quers to get it, but win/loss of 267/180 isn’t a lot of exp I am just glad you were not one of the guys that are 12/2 and in the top 50 I mean something like that would kill any validity you might have had.

…But with your superior intellect I am sure you already knew that. : )

As for my own record you could have just asked, keep in mind I play all the time guild mates on or not, good teams on or not. Win/loss 412/388 it is a pretty good record for a mostly solo que, but maybe the player base is better in eu you will have to fill me in on that one.

@Dardamaniac
The posts I make have very little to do with my personal win/loss verses any class I look at things mechanically and explain the imbalances the thief example was meant to show the severity of the problem the reason I made the comparison with 1k blades. I have no favorite class I fill what ever roll is needed for my group, though I do consider ranger/mes my mains. only because they have the best prog in pve world. They actually get the least play of my toons lol.

Listen guys stop saying they are not good in team fights just because one person said it above baa. Look they choose between portal and null field both group skill more or less, they grant regen to everyone when they cast a illusion, they have a high dmg aoe/cripple, and mesmers add extra targets to every fight. So saying they are bad in team fights is foolish.
edit: they can also take blink if they are roaming.

I was main mesmer from pre order beta till a few months ago.

RaynStargaze.6510:

are people really still running this?

you are proposing changes to nades in general to nerf 25 stacks of might? ohh nice good idea lets nerf grenades to DUST even more

are you aware this build pooped out because engi is so terrible at anything that he has to stack might like a kittentard to be semi-viable?

Srsly though – if you have an issue with might stacking the MIGHT STACKING needs to be addressed! Other Classes have massive might stacking potential as well (Necro, Warrior, Ele , Thief might->BS build) Honestly if grenades will start having red aoe rings they might as well be removed from the game. Its hard enough to hit these kitteners against decent players as it is. Luckily enough there arent many good players around (hi @ OP)

Personally i think as soon as your opposing team has a S/D thief you`re a liability to your team so i dont run might stacking.

Pretty much the same thing with mesmers – as soon as your enemy team has a boon removal shatter mesm HgH becomes sub par – not longer dangerous to your own team but still. If the mesm knows what hes doing you`re not going to have all that much might (which you need btw cuz you`re giving up a lot of other kitten obviously)

You are proposing that the highest dps spec in the game is some how under par, but the only viable build. That the counter measures for this dps class are that of a bunker classes counters, but it is balanced… these are contradictions; and your belief that HGH is the only viable spec for an engi speaks for your own skill lv not others friend.

I would not say useless dps, additional targets. regen. and I believe they can choose to take portal as well.

They need some adjusting for sure either increased cds or reduced dmg and mobility.
Like phantasmal zerker should not run after you he should be fixed till his next ww so then at least you have to choose when to bring him out.
The duelist does the highest damage and has the highest bleed % chance of all the clones .×8 with a low recharge this is something that also needs looked at since I believe avg dmg is much higher than expected.

AmuseDarkly.2430:

Thesilentflute.8761:

With a rune set and sigil this class is able to build and maintain 25 stacks of might thats 875 power 875 condition damage through out a fight resulting in the most over powered dps in the game.

Necros are scarce in the spvp because HGH has taken their place why have boon stripping along to counter bunkers when you can bring a class with such strong dps that you can just burn through their boons with dps alone along with any reinforcements.

When faced with any melee opposition they just grenade their feet and kill them in seconds. My thief can withstand 1k blades from a war, but one grenade shot from HGH engineer and he is down.

Do necros need a buff sure, but this is our real balance problem.

I have no pity at all for you. You play a thief. If there is something that can rofl you, stopping you from perma stealthing your way around, executing victims then HOORAY.

:D I play around on thief a bit for the title along with a few others I main ranger/mes and play around on thief/engi/necro for titles and group comp, that way I have boon striper/bunker/roamer toons when needed for solo que comp. Title prog R 100% M 100% E 50% T 30% N 5-10%

We are able to bunker any point, we have stability from one of our f1-4 skills and 3 push backs as a bombkit bunker. I have seen some guys go elixergun I have never done it myself so they may not have them.

Where we surpass guards is our immunity to condi dmg at 25% I might go down a lil fast but ill stay at 25% or just below for an eternity. This also makes us a lil more resistant to corrupt boon.

In state of the game you guys talked about having season resets and separation of solo and pre-made ques. Since the current que system was found to be flawed in respect to both rating/ranking and opposition I would hope that the current boards would be reset upon the change.

This would fix the problem of stagnant players on the current boards and usher in another race to the top for both solo/group ques. Insuring that the change would not just move the population from group que to solo que as would be expected with the release of the solo boards alone. Allowing both ques to remain strong and giving us 2 ratings to fight for.

I for one can’t wait.

This thread needs more arrow carts

Dragon Brand you guys better strike while the iron is hot 3rd place is yours even I can taste it. That is some cross server flavor there MMMmm pina colada.

This isn’t true in all cases blackgates eu at peak had 2 25 man guilds and would smash 2x or more there number. I am not sure what guilds run in eu now as I am not often in that tz but wage and the rest of our eu players do a killer job outnumberd. Family reunion? hope you get lucky.

If by sandwiched you mean blackgate owns everything I agree.

Durring NA all server population is very high if not full so are able to field the same amount, sure some servers have higher wvw pops. The thing is its just for fun some weeks you will smash people and some weeks get smashed it is just the way it is. If your server is getting smashed well do some yaking and if your smashing guard your yaks lol. You could always try recruiting you would be shocked how much a lil effort can make. gl everyone and gods speed

The only dps that could stand to all the bunkers in that tourney were boon strippers and hgh engis there were allot of good players that just got smashed cause bunker beats dps in most cases. The eu tourney had no bunker rule I thought that’s a very good rule to have. It’s whatever though it was allot of fun and the shout casters did a fantastic job very entertaining.

Tuluum what server are you on? I have been in T1 so long I am unfamiliar with your tag?

Righteous Sen.1053:

Azaruil.3406:

You guys are all so cute. Spvp and WvW players are equally bad. In both, the players will try to get a numbers advantage because they can’t cut it by themselves.

how are people supposed to ‘cut it by themselves’ vs a zerg?

zergs are the predominant group org in WvW, its only natural to fight fire with fire.

lol.

lol its more like fighting stupid with stupid. Tpvpers would run small groups and out cap to win and even though they are better in combat they are smart enough to know they do not need to fight to win against wvwers and their so called “strategy”. Efficiency and the win is top on their list.

Those opinions are coming from people that obviously don’t tpvp I do wvw and tpvp a lot 2500+ hours of mostly pvp. Trust me tpvp is skilled game play In wvw commands are list lazly left/right, push through, pull out, and drop the bomb. It doesn’t matter what player is there as long as they can follow these simple commands as the commander is the only real player. There are skirmish groups but very few because most players don’t feel confident enough that they can win with lower number and run in a herd so they are not faced with there own failure, but the commanders since he is the only real player.

About bunkering points if you only play bunker yea your just a babysitter and are no more skilled than a wvwer infact prolly less skilled. As for the rest of the players on the field there combat exp surpasses 90% of wvwers cause they get very little real combat. The 10% is people that yak 24/7 but they are prolly tpvpers anyway lol.

Lol wvw players are bad. The problem is there are not enough tpvpers atm to really do it Hell I have trouble finding a 5th most of the time. Maybe when solo ques come some wvw players will come into the mists and learn to fight. In wvw you learn to follow in Tpvp you learn to kill.

Easily beat lol sor was 3rd for months and months and only the last two weeks has done anything. You guys pulled in the 2nd eu server and eu is our weakest time zone not that our eu players are not fantastic because they are, but its hard to match those numbers. We have been working on it though and will soon be back to #1. Remember we are the giant slayers and we look forward to a match up where JQ is not a factor.

We have fought each other so long we are both eager to test the new blood. I hope you guys will weather the storm and show us what you have once its a bit calmer. GL this is your guys chance to take 3rd on the leader boards.

You guys should just team up against sor

Thief mes or a bunker what i do is look at the comp and fill what ever roll is needed.

Even if it was not time consuming it still would not be worthwhile and even if it was worthwhile it would not be time consuming enough to reach my goal of occupying a zerg for a long enough time to allow the south to be capped. Making a full map cap much harder.

While I do not have as much exp as some 800 tpvp matches is more than enough to point out obvious imbalances. The only thing I QQ about in hot join is when people take the time to kill my mortar lol.