Guild Wars 2

Bunker guard that’s how you know there good I smell limburger.

Rerroll.9083:

What about

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Unique classes I like it

If they are going to have a leader board they have to collect stats so it seems fine to me that it is not up yet. The one they had before was to be monthly so it will prolly show at teh start of next month.

Lol this post doesn’t make any sense it’s ftp just log in lol propaganda much? Just wondering what rank are you in spvp dragon already?

Then why are you still here man you guys talk about how bad the game is lol your a joke.

Bunker guardians (Cough)cheese(Cough)

It depends on the map your playing but in general if you are going to control a point it should be mid in order to cut them off and you can have your roamer make sure they have to keep people on there point.

In all this communication is key like calling incs and etas so if you guys are not playing on vent it is a problem cause knowing what to expect is pretty huge. A group of really good randoms that just know what to do can play without but for new spvper vent is a must.

If you still have trouble after that ask another guild thats good at spvp if they will fraps one of there battles for you so you can hear calls and things to get the feel of the communication.

And if your facing pure cheese like 5 bunker specs or all guadian/mes and to a lesser extent thiefs it can make things a pain in the kitten but those are just tactics bad players use to cheese there way by.

Lol your one of if not the #1 class in the game i think play style or skill lv may be an issue here grab an ele buddy and go duel him for a bit they’re easy to kill as mesmer. I have 2 mesmers one is glass shatter build in spvp and pve and the other is illusion build in spvp and glassish shatter in pve and both kill eles with lil issue. They are much harder to kill in wvw since they can just run away but in spvp its easy mode.

one on one no one should beat you sep maybe a ranger or a well necro.
Trap rangers and well necros can just cover the point and there traps/wells do so much dps you have to flee.

Rangers if you don’t use feedback they will burn you down before you can even get to them but if they’re not trap and you sneak up on them they are yours.

And if your really want help you should post your build/runes and skills. Otherwise it just sounds like QQ.

Its the same with stealth this is just qq let it die plz

You guys QQ to much the game is fantastic easy the best mmo ever made sure there are a few issues but so what you should go play another mmo for a bit and we will see you when you get back.

If anet needs to make more money they could to find a way to get rid of bots and perma ban gold sellers. I know of at least 5 people that have spent 400$ for gold at player auctions. I would never do this because I like playing games apart from the fact its not ethical if I was going to buy gold I would do it through the gem shop cause we really have a fantastic game here.

The people that buy 3rd party gold are the problem here they are not willing to invest in the fantastic game that was painstakingly made with the players #1 in mind.

All in all you prolly should leave the money management up to the people that work at anet and a sub would kill the game Its like giving someone an epic gift only to take it away.

hharry.1967:

They are pretty, pretty strong, i can say they are best 1v1 spec/class atm. However in a team fight they aint that overpowered so i guess its fine.
Not to mention they are also the best 1v1 both downed class as well, if you go downed against a ranged you lost.

No way #1 man a shatter mesmer will smash anything atm with mes if they’re dps build there’re dead already if they are bunker they better hope there friends show up. As far as ranger goes you have to see your enemy first and if you don’t there is a good chance you will lose and even if you do see them first a mesmer and guard can negate the range factor. #1 downed class I totally agree with.

I don’t use traps on my ranger and i kill everything pretty easy sep for trap rangers.
I lose to them cause I go after other rangers in melee and don’t realize there trap build till I am already taking dmg.

I also have trouble with full bunker builds since the scaling for those stats are way too high you would think the highest direct dmg in the game would be able to burn them down but nope and even though they have little in attack stats the base or base + power If using pvt is enough to make them hit hard even though there stats have no synergy.

With 5 bunker guards its crazy with all the hammer knock back shields and healing you can’t kill anyone and they just sit on point. And with 5 mes thief every time you down someone they hit mass invis or shadow refuge and revive them so you end up having to fight what equals 2x the number.

Master Charles.7093:

… i basically feel like the game is so full of ‘ez mode, copy-and-paste cheese builds’ that many of the remaining players are people of weak character who enjoy running new players into the ground (with little or no skill involved) and then talking trash. My guess is, most of the players who like a fair fight (or dare to do anything original/not OP) left a long time ago, and now cowardly trolls with no honor generally rule over the spoils

I agree with this for the most part there is so much cheese that goes on like 5 bunker guards or 5 mes/thief. I have two 80 mesmers its all I have ever played now that its flavor of the month I can feel a nerf coming so I choose to change class going ranger cause everyone talks about how bad they are wvw/spvp I aim to prove them wrong.
I rock spvp now just need to get to 80 so i can show them how its done there.

It’s mostly dumb kids, but even I do it at times when I’m caught with my pants down like say I just killed someone and all skills are on cd and I am at 10% then some guy comes and I almost kill him but then make a mistake and die In my rage I may call someone bad.

MaXi.3642:

i think its comparable to ress abilities, thief dont have any, so its just a counterpart, mesmer is overall master of utility so it fits him, he must sacrifice something else for it and trust me, AOE 10sec quickness is a big sacriface

PS: taking away utility skills from profession wont help a game to be better, it wll just simplify it, we already have too many dmg skills and not enough utility skills which results sometimes in a spamfest

Dude there is no sacrifice to either shadow refuge or mass invis.

shadow refuge – all you lose is thieves guild and thieves have such high burst they don’t need it.

I am not willing to teach you on how to play your class but trust me lol I have 2 80s both mesmers as stated above and mass invis is the best leet we have even before the nerf.

Lets try to stay on topic guys

It is a huge problem with people building parties just for it so instead of fighting 3 people you end up fighting 5 or more because of there free revives. Can it be avoided sure but its pure cheese and should be fixed.

Edit: It’s mass stealth and it takes like one second to revive someone from down state with 2 or more so aoe and melee isn’t really effective counter.

It is a scaling issue with bunker stats not a ranger specific one look at bunker guards/ele/mesmers/eng its all the same cheese that bad players use.

How about some legandary skins for high rank pvp you could put on your reg armor that way we can show off in lions arch.

well they dont even have to be legondary just uniqe

Mrbig.8019:

Narcarsis.5739:

Viability: thief is fine, learn to play the class.
Diversity: having 2 specs (one requiring vastly more experience, skill, and communication/cooperation than the other – thus never being seen) is somewhat stale. However that being said the only class with true build diversity is the guardian.

Complaining about skill issues is pointless. You’re crying because you don’t have haste for your heartseeker spam post burst, requiring you to outplay people instead of face roll. Learn the class, how it plays, and what it’s capable of before whining on forums about quickness as a thief. The quickness nerf didn’t even touch backstab in terms of viability, and reduced pistol whip and unload specs to completely unplayable (not to say they were viable before).

-Caed

“outplay” you say.

You know perfectly you have to ALWAYS outplay any opponent as a thief to win a single 1vs1.

What if you can’t OUTPLAY your opponent ?
What if your opponent is skilled ?

You always assume you can outplay everyone, but in reality you can’t.
Having a point assuming your opponent is a baddie and you can do as you please with him is a bad start.

Anyway, my point is totally different, and i’ll repost, as always.

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It’s not simply about the thief. Quickness nerf affected burst classes and will soon affect the whole tPvP mentality.
Pre-nerf, it wouldn’t matter how tanky you were, you knew that with a single mistake you could be blowed up by a war/thief or a time warp+war, and had to be careful since a ranger was always there for a quick stomp in order to finish you.
Now bunkers are less punished for their mistakes.
There are no more wars, thieves can’t oneshot 100% anymore and since you can no more follow with a heartsekeer, you’re totally relying on mug-backstab to crit: if one or the other does blank damage, your burst has failed ( with haste you were able to increase dagger hit volume and somehow “standardize” your burst damage without blindly relying to RNG) and rangers can no more quick stomp.
So not only they’re less punished for their mistakes, but they can also be ressed faster ( how many times a quick stomp totally negated a signet of undead/illusion of life and similar ? ).
The meta will soon push into super bunker comps + 1 or 2 high AoE damage proff ( aka 3-4 eles+ guard + random eng/ran/mes/necro), where the comp BY ITSELF counters the thief.
It’s not that hard, really.
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But as i said before, i was simply too hasty.

We’ll talk again after a week and we’ll see who was right.

That is a scaling issue it has nothing to do with how op thief is my buddy is having no issue with his. I think playing better is a good start or you could start spamming heartseeker like the rest. People always complain about how weak eng and ranger are so I put down my mesmer and picked up a ranger to prove them wrong, Thief is still the most op class in the game if you fail at thief you just fail the end.

brunohstein.9038:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smoke_Bomb_

It has always prevented a stomp.

There is no info on the page you linked apart from what the skill does and Ive stomped many down thieves through stealth and i as a mesmer have been stomped in stealth many times. Before if your teleport didnt get you far enough away you would still be killed in stealth I am sure many can attest to that.

Lol fubar failed to deliver do you remember how wow was you should head back for a week and check it out for a reminder. I am very happy with what they deliverd

Eles can stomp? I’ve only ever seen them run away.

I have played since beta It isn’t how its always been I assure you. 3rd party stealth stopping stomps from being finished once started is what I am saying like mass stealth(mesmer) or shadow refuge(thief).

There is not point in leader boards with all the cheese that goes on scaling of bunker stats, all stealth classes with free revives. Untill these problems are fixed there is no point in leader boards.

I have 2 lv 80 mesmers one glass and one glassy he is right it is to op but its not the 5k or whatev dmg or the 8s snare its the combo of the 2. I think they should remove the snare and increase the dmg.

A lil off topic but do gs warrs snare or do that much dmg when they use that skill?

Thief and Mesmer both have mass stealth ability along with huge dps output. There is one problem with this it give these classes an added ability.

I assume this was not intended, but you can no longer finish a stealth enemy even when you have started the stomp before hand so it so it acts as a free revive skills along with the already borderline over powered offence and defence skills they have and it is taken advantage of often in parties built for cheese.

Edit – Tried to make it easier to understand

Main, 80 Mansmer
Alt, 80 mesmer
2nd Alt, 4 ranger

This may be pushing it but i would also be really epic to give it the fog spell effect like on chalice of the gods it would make it look like dry ice.

I was wondering if you guys could remove the black from coldsnap as it kills the really cool spell effect or at least make is less dence. thanks guys hope to see they change and keep up the good work.

This would also fix the issues with high dps classes instead of nerfing skills you can fix scaling d/d ele or s/d ele some thief and warriors that have crazy dps in bunker builds a scaling change would balance and soften the mobility and dps curves because they would have to worry about being smashed for charging in. Of course this may leave necro’s eng’s and mesmers wanting as they have little mobility and well balanced dps. My consideration for these changes is wvw and spvp as I would rather see people out played than outlived.

Players in tpvp almost all run bunker builds and it makes them pretty much unkillable the problem with this is these stats have no synergy and win over offensive stat builds that have synergy. This issue with scaling is gamebreaking it takes away the skill factor in matches. Skilled players are left out in the cold as many bunker build are hard if not impossible to kill. I am pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I would rather be smashed in an instant than fight for a half an hour just to run off cause its a waste of time to continue.

It really kills the synergy you get from dps stats/builds plz fix.

This doesn’t sound like a bug lol

On crit food with scepter is also a waste.

Mesmers scepter 3 skill

This is a pretty huge problem as it makes scepter bad for high prec builds and on crit sigils. I would also like to see greatsword 4 Phantasmal berserker nerfed as it’s pretty much an I win button right now. Also it looks like the rune of the eagle bug is back, but I am sure you guys are repatching it after this months patch cheers and see you guys in game.

Monsoon.2589:

DON T CARE ! DON T CARE ! DON T CARE !
Don’t care don t care about your GvG.

WvW is NOT GvG. If you want to talk about GvG you are welcome to make another thread. This thread is about WvW. There are 4 maps in WvW and 3 servers are involved. Nobody cares about a single GvG events 99% of the players didn t participate in so please take your GvG to another thread and stay on topic.

Agree

GvG isn’t even real it is just kill trading welcome to illum folks. While you pver’s are kill trading for your bags we have fun playing for ours. Hope you guys get banned from the game and the forums for misconduct laters.

Distaste.4801:

Thesilentflute.8761:

People forget so soon what happened when this trash started in swtor’s illum with the gear changes coming soon it is setting up for a repeat of that type of pve’r caused pvp death.

Lets pretend for a second that these gvg matches are not a planed exploitation of the raised bag drop rates. There is nothing skillful about fighting outside the rule set and environment that the game master has established if anything it shows the opposite.

Illum was terrrible to begin with, not only was it small but SWTOR’s engine could barely handle 10 people fighting let alone more. Not to mention the faction imbalance made things 100x worse.

As for as skill goes, you’re wrong. There is plenty of skill involved in winning a straight up GvG, in fact more skill because outside factors aren’t an issue, there is nothing to blame a loss on except your guilds skill or apparently now a class-less skill-less WvW guild ruining the match. You’re trying to say that is more skillful to show up to an undefended tower, plop down 2-3 rams, and cap a tower? There is ZERO skill involved there. Don’t get me wrong, there is skill in reading the map, taking in scout information, and attacking/defending the right points at the right time, but a very large portion of fights are determined squarely on numbers.

They also aren’t fighting outside the rules or environment the game master has set. There is no rule that you cannot have a GvG fight. I also don’t know what environment you think they are fighting outside either since they are after all still fighting on a BL map. Even the offending guild didn’t break any rules, they just broke social convention and now there is community backlash. It’s not even like this is a GW2 specific social convention either, not interrupting a set-up match extends to well outside the video game realm. It’s like playing a 1v1 street basketball game when a 3rd person runs up, knocks the other 2 to the ground and dunks. He scored against the other 2 opponents but he looks like a complete kitten that no one wants to play with.

This conversation is assuming GvG is not meant to take advantage of the bag drop rate.

I have to call BS I was republic and we took illum at least 2x a day battles 50+ on 50+ with no issue, exploitation was the only thing that killed illum you may attempt to justify it or dismiss it how ever you wish.

With gvg your taking away surprise and strategy among other factors so it has no bearing on skill in respect to the game.

You made a comment on pvding, but there are almost always fights if you look for them.

Even if you do not understand the value of strategy they are fighting outside the rule set and environment set by the game master(exploitation aside) though it is difficult for me to explain maybe someone else can help me. examples: It is like playing checkers on a chess board or arguing with valid points on the forums instead of using what wisdom you have been granted.

This isn’t really a vote If there was going to be a new class I would like to see Anet work its magic again like they did with the mesmer/eng breaking away from the normal archetypes. Apart of the basic classes war hunter and thief they have done very well in that respect.

I was reading on another thread and realized golems create an issue in respect to this, to due away with said issue I propose golems always cause orange swords when they attack or take dmg.

People forget so soon what happened when this trash started in swtor’s illum with the gear changes coming soon it is setting up for a repeat of that type of pve’r caused pvp death.

Lets pretend for a second that these gvg matches are not a planed exploitation of the raised bag drop rates. There is nothing skillful about fighting outside the rule set and environment that the game master has established if anything it shows the opposite.

I agree with this and it would be super sweet if golems were just blood splating player killers instead of game breaking. had a 24 golem rush the other day no orange swords lol.

^ omg the bads are turning wvw into illum; thanks emp undefeated gvg lol/bag drop rate exploiters. Looks like Anet will have to kill the drop rate again its a shame cause the rest of us like breaking even if not making money in wvw.

It is worse than boting at least bots are making real money while screwing the gw2 population. If we are lucky Anet will give out some perma-bans with the video evidence you have provided on these forums even though the videos are not in their entirety.

Who was it you were trading kills with last night?

We understand how else would you guys get any kills.

^lol right. They are going to have watchmen there if they are any good, I just want a chance to be able to try to sneak past them because like you said swords alarm the whole map. This was what I meant if it had come out any other way it was by mistake.

Edit: We play in T1 so there are always watchmen that may have been the disconnect.

It takes away any chance to be sneaky unless you can run supply, get through 2 doors, and down a lord in less than 3min which can not be done with 5 people. Someone above said doesn’t anyone want to fight lol those zerg battles are hardly fights and if this change was made then you might actually run into small groups.

Thresher.3049:

Talentless.5708:

Well I jumped into gw2 late thinking it was going to be my next Dark Age of Camelot. Needless to say I was wrong… I have been disappointed by the lack of other groups roaming BGs like you would see with 8mans in DAoC.

My desired playstyle is not meant as an insult, because I know the amount of planning and coordination that is used in an SF main force, but I have no fun doing that sort of thing… let alone when you have 100+ people in an area and you have skill lag… you want to kitten off a PvPer? Prevent him/her from using his/her skills lol.

Quite a lot of us did, however mechanically and for system reasons the game isn’t really letting us do it at the moment due to culling, server lag, lack of CC + lack of CC timers and dedicated healing. In the first 2 weeks there was a massive customer loss of people who turned up expecting “RvR”, took a couple of sniffs of the BS and just left, not that it really affects Anet as they just sold their boxes, made their money and development/improvement took a far back seat to minimise costs vs income.
Think more than a couple of us would pay $12-15 a month if we knew it would go into dev/improvement of the game instead of wherever the heck it goes now. (probably paying off their investors and/or NCSoft)

I miss the tightly disciplined, defined roles and dynamic of DAOC small group tactics, be it my guild (at the time) battlegroups, 8v8-man, zerg bombing, stealth groups or whatever, they where all fun at the time. But it’d be going backwards to fire up a 13yr old game that mostly just left me very frustrated by 2007 because it had become profoundly stupid in a lot of ways due to developers trying to make it something no one actually wanted, instead of letting it die with some dignity.

Next ‘wvw patch’ is make or break really for this community, it doesn’t even have to have a profound amount of content, it just has to fix what’s currently really busted and let the players make their own fun in the sandbox.

^this guys is silly you could do small scale stuff np if you are smart enough. Though it is harder with the recent changes.

Make or break? I love you guys yea if this wvw patch isn’t great(it will be of course) I am going back to wow lol or one of the other equally bad games in comparison with gw2 so you can cry about it for a week and the rest of us will see you when you get back.

Get off it gw2 is the new mmo benchmark there are going to be a ton of companies that clone it just to fail. What you really mean is that you wish you were ten years younger, and didn’t have as much to do so you could waste more time playing gw2: Nostalgia is a kitten ehh.

Not saying there are not any problems, but most are very minor. If your getting skill lag stop running with a zerg and do some of that small scale you love.

Greed? it would seem to me that this is your first mmo cause every other one I have ever played has been 100x greedier than this one.

I love how you even cried about the game you were recalling.

With the recent changes small groups can only take supply camps, hopefully they will make it so white swords do not pop up for 5 or less then small groups will be useful again. None of us really know what will happen with this next patch I for one can’t wait.

Dynheart.5402:

Zikory.6871:

Dynheart.5402:

Why does it seem like that every time BG is here, the threads turn into a 2V1 war? As a matter of fact…if you look at all the times they are here? That’s the only reasons why they lose! 2V1 (according to them)… And it’s pretty much the only time we hear that excuse on a regular basis.

Honestly? It’s getting comical at this point.

Why does it seem like every time BG is here, the thread tries to change subjects to something constructive and some one has to bring this up?

Honestly? Trying to stir up drama is getting comical at this point.

Nice spin. I was just stating the obvious. I read the thread, then posted.

After the disaster which was the first matches thread…yea, you get the point. The first and second time you guys were here, it was no different. I was just pointing out something that was, you know, obvious.

If I’m stirring up drama, then why all the BS? Why do T1 threads go from 300 pages to 700-1000 when BG is here? /shrug

Oh well. I’m out.

I think it is because we are interesting, and not just a bunch of zerg guilds and trolls.

At least you guys have emp did you hear their undefeated in NA GvG check it out at millenium they defeated monsters like. . . in the newest game mode to never to hit gw2.

So much QQ over nothing the raid ui is alt f4 duhhh. Zergs are a waste of man power tanky toons running in rings till they forget to heal or glass toons that are smash or be smashed.

You should have seen when we helped sor take down outer and inner wall of jq garrison cata on each side of the inner so epic too bad we let our greed get the better of us and they ended up pushing us out as we fought each other in the lords room.

I was a great time though.

My buds and I often try to ninja keeps with 5-8 men and with the new changes were left in the cold since everyone keeps scouts in keeps now, and as soon as we hit something there are swords it has made this type of play much harder if it can be done at all with enemy forces on the map. Even if we que quaggs the time it takes to siege and run supply is much longer than 3 min this all this while avoiding a scout.

This would also stop red flaging with one toon.

I would like to see a bl wide boss on random timer that drops an orb of power and big chest. The orbs of power stats change to a 2 hour buff for the faction that holds the orb 15 supply from all supply camps and siege does 25- 50% more dmg. If the buff is to much you could make it effect regular siege only that way you could use normal siege with the same effect or slightly better than that of sup siege for two hours.