Guild Wars 2

SHM.7628:

Khalisto.5780:

If you watch carefully you’ll see that Colin is very excited talking about the features and things, while Joe just shakes his head in agreement and says “uhum” most of the times, theres only 1 or 2 topics he seem to find decent the whole interview.

^This exactly.

He was just nodding and uhumming disingenuously durring 90% of the interview.

I just think some tougher and more relevant questions could have been asked and answered.

Can’t say I blame him, TBH.

Colin seems like a nice enough guy, but I get the feeling he either doesn’t get, or doesn’t want to face, the deep-seated issues the game has.

Issues that adding a few extra layers of pretty stuff, on top, won’t help.

This game is like a beautiful looking cake.

It’s so promising on the surface.

Problem is, when you cut into it, you quickly find out it’s mostly just an icing shell and the part of it that is supposed to be cake is mostly hollow.

I think Joe discovered that for himself, which is why he gave the game a 10/10 to begin with and then fairly quickly stopped playing.

Hearing a bunch of stuff about more decoration for the still more-or-less non-existent cake is not going to make anyone feel like coming back.

Unless all they ever cared about was the icing, to begin with.

Beldin.5498:

Tigaseye.2047:

A game should not try to discourage fun and make you an unpopular rebel for trying to have some, anyway.

Its not the game that trys to discourage .. it are the players .. or a part of them.
Those players that dont care about metas and how to do the fastest speedrun
mostly still have fun.
The players that find out how to run the fastest have maybe also their sort of
fun.
The problem are those that only blindly follow them, and often even don’t really
understand what they do .. and then try to force everybody else into what they
think is the only good way to play. Hey .. there are even players out there that
think 4 warriors is the best to have.

I know what you’re saying, but the design of the game does support/encourage what they’re doing.

All people are doing, by playing in a skip>stack>melee way, is following the path of least resistance (assuming everyone knows what to do and/or complies).

They perma-stack because they share buffs and heals that way and can res downed people without even moving.

They use melee weaps because melee weaps (ridiculously – this is not the case in other games) do more damage than ranged weapons in melee range (i.e. stacks).

They skip mobs because mobs are skippable, as they reset.

They use certain classes, roles (i.e. DPS only), builds and gear, because the above playing method, which derives entirely from the design of the game, favours them.

These things are all ANet’s designs and other games companies don’t design in this way, so other games don’t suffer from these issues.

Obviously, I know that people can choose to ignore the path of least resistance, if they like, but that is not typical of most human behaviour.

It’s typical of mine, but then (I think it’s safe to say) I’m not typical.

SHM.7628:

The game isn’t optimized……… It’s not likely your fault.

This.

Plus the issues with lag get far worse at American and Asian peak times.

I’m in the UK, so that’s our lower useage times (middle of the night/morning), so it’s unlikely to be my internet.

Plus, got reducethelag and it made no difference, whatsoever, so it’s not the “middle men”.

Someone who is very knowledgeable about this stuff told my BF that ANet just aren’t optimised, compared with certain other games, one way and another.

Maybe ANet will care you’re being taken advantage of, IDK?

But, I doubt most other players will do, because they will feel you’re trying to take advantage of them via selling achieves.

Whether that is allowed by ANet, or not.

Group PVE in this game is completely woeful, unless people consciously decide to ignore the rules (even if that is less efficient) and freestyle.

Then it’s fine.

Something majorly wrong, somewhere…

If you watch Angry Joe’s original review of GW2, he gave it 10/10 and showed himself playing a dungeon, with his friends.

They weren’t stacking and his char was rolling around in his underpants, as all his armour had broken, but he was clearly having fun.

That is how it should have continued to be.

It should not have been possible to realise that favouring certain classes, builds and melee weaps and then stacking against the wall permanently was the “answer”; as that “answer” was to remove all the fun.

A game should not try to discourage fun and make you an unpopular rebel for trying to have some, anyway.

Enough of that kind of thing IRL…

Get rid of the stacking for buffs, make all classes and builds equally viable, make ranged weapons equally viable and try to bring some value back to support roles.

Then we might be back to a half-decent game and Angry Joe and his friends may feel tempted to roll around in dungeons, again.

JustTrogdor.7892:

That said, wasn’t the airplane mode supposed to be super offensive according to all the rage posted on April 1? Where is the rage and offense that this is being offered as a gem store item now?

I think the people who were upset by it, were so for two reasons: a) because they weren’t expecting it and b) because they couldn’t remove it for a full 24 hours.

…and I guess anyone who felt upset by it, back then, would have just expected it to become a gemstore item, sooner or later (as the bobblehead lab did)?

So, as it’s no longer a surprise, or a shock, to them, they’re no longer upset enough about it to comment.

Plus, now it’s entirely optional and removable.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Deedrick.4372:

The rage on April 1st had nothing to do with being offended. Those were trolls….

That is exactly what I was pointing out. If you followed those threads many people were pretending to be offended because they didn’t like the prank. They were using it as an excuse to rage and sadly as an attempt to make their point that they didn’t like the prank more valid. I forgot to add the /sarcasm I guess. I thought the face was enough.

I don’t think you can say, for certain, that no one was genuinely upset by it.

It was very soon after the plane crash.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Tigaseye.2047:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The hairstyles are probably extravagant because IT’S A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. This whole “it’s not realistic” thing people always go on about drives me insane. If you want a realistic video game go play Second Life with all the other perverts.

“Perverts” for wanting more natural looking hair options, as well as other more elaborate styles?

Someone has a very strange idea of perversion…

I was referring to the game Second Life which has a lot of very perverted content and people. Since it’s basic purpose is to achieve just that, a second life, in which your fantasies can be “realized.”

You said “with all the other perverts”.

Meaning you think we’re perverts, too.

https://montyrainey.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/blog-fish-jump.jpg

Doubt hes trying to say outright that realistic content is perverted.

Also, Arent these natural?

There’s a couple pages of just incredible/ridiculous stuff, yes, but there’s a good portion of just mundane hair too. It’s almost even, in fact.

Of course he is.

He’s rude, judgemental, uptight, probably perverted in some way himself (and projecting) and (more importantly) wrong.

I already made a post regarding those hairstyles.

No, most of them are not natural.

“Normal” yes; natural no.

The only one that I would describe as natural (ish) is the one I used before I swapped to the new updo, which is the far right one on the second row.

It’s long – not bobbed, or with bangs, not an updo, not with hair accessories, not obviously styled (straightened, blow-dried, tonged, whatever).

It has a few layers cut into it and it’s not as long as it could be, but it’s the most natural looking option there.

Seriously, have we really got to the stage where some people don’t know what long, natural textured, minimally trimmed/cut, unstyled, un-accessorised hair looks like?

Hair obviously doesn’t grow to suddenly end at chin length, to have bangs, or hair accessories attached to it, or to be very straight and then turn under at the ends, or whatever.

All that has to be done to it, artificially, so it’s not natural.

I was not trying to say realistic content is perverted, it was a misunderstanding that you’re now using as a tool against me because you disagree with me.

I’m just going to stop replying though since obviously common sense isn’t something you’re familiar with. Not mention the various assumptions you’ve made, all of which have been wrong.

I’m not using anything as a tool against you.

You totally unfairly called us “perverts”, which was your assumption; not mine.

No one had said anything about it being a sexual thing, or even alluded to anything like that.

…and yet, you still said that, so you should now stand up, admit it and deal with the repercussions of your actions.

Even if I were using it as a tool (which I am not), that would be entirely your own fault; as you put yourself in the situation where that could happen to you, by saying what you said.

However, the truth is that no one needs to use a tool here, because all that was said is that there should also be some (more) natural hair options, as well as more elaborate styles.

That isn’t something you should have to fight for, or feel bad about asking for, because it is a perfectly reasonable request, which harms no one.

I don’t really get why they didn’t make them outfits?

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The hairstyles are probably extravagant because IT’S A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. This whole “it’s not realistic” thing people always go on about drives me insane. If you want a realistic video game go play Second Life with all the other perverts.

“Perverts” for wanting more natural looking hair options, as well as other more elaborate styles?

Someone has a very strange idea of perversion…

I was referring to the game Second Life which has a lot of very perverted content and people. Since it’s basic purpose is to achieve just that, a second life, in which your fantasies can be “realized.”

You said “with all the other perverts”.

Meaning you think we’re perverts, too.

https://montyrainey.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/blog-fish-jump.jpg

Doubt hes trying to say outright that realistic content is perverted.

Also, Arent these natural?

There’s a couple pages of just incredible/ridiculous stuff, yes, but there’s a good portion of just mundane hair too. It’s almost even, in fact.

Of course he is.

He’s rude, judgemental, uptight, probably perverted in some way himself (and projecting) and (more importantly) wrong.

I already made a post regarding those hairstyles.

No, most of them are not natural.

“Normal” yes; natural no.

The only one that I would describe as natural (ish) is the one I used before I swapped to the new updo, which is the far right one on the second row.

It’s long – not bobbed, or with bangs, not an updo, not with hair accessories, not obviously styled (straightened, blow-dried, tonged, whatever).

It has a few layers cut into it and it’s not as long as it could be, but it’s the most natural looking option there.

Seriously, have we really got to the stage where some people don’t know what long, natural textured, minimally trimmed/cut, unstyled, un-accessorised hair looks like?

Hair obviously doesn’t grow to suddenly end at chin length, to have bangs, or hair accessories attached to it, or to be very straight and then turn under at the ends, or whatever.

All that has to be done to it, artificially, so it’s not natural.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The hairstyles are probably extravagant because IT’S A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. This whole “it’s not realistic” thing people always go on about drives me insane. If you want a realistic video game go play Second Life with all the other perverts.

“Perverts” for wanting more natural looking hair options, as well as other more elaborate styles?

Someone has a very strange idea of perversion…

I was referring to the game Second Life which has a lot of very perverted content and people. Since it’s basic purpose is to achieve just that, a second life, in which your fantasies can be “realized.”

You said “with all the other perverts”.

Meaning you think we’re perverts, too.

If you were just saying they were perverts, you would have said “with the perverts” (no “other”).

We’re NOT perverts.

I, for example, am a woman IRL who happens to have long, wavy hair.

It’s not perverted for me to prefer my characters to have that type of hair, too.

…and even if I were a man, with a female character, it would still not be perverted to prefer natural hair on her.

Liking naturally occurring things is about as far from perverted as you can get.

Dante.1763:

Thorfinnr Sleggja.1209:

That is a valid point, I agree. I just couldn’t come up with a way to do it that didn’t include the Ithas Longbow skin. At least not a way that didn’t take away the “exclusivity” of that skin. Its a tough call, that I grant you.

Make it part of high level fractals, or better yet put it in one of the harder dungeon paths as a random drop from the final chest. It would give players a reason to go do that path!
edit: I had one too, i loved it! of course mine was bad…but the skin was awesome, my Ele carries it

Do you have a screenshot of it?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Storm_Bow

Thanks for the link.

Sorry, forgot to check back earlier.

Harper.4173:

Tigaseye.2047:

Problem is, they can ask and if you refuse to tell them, they can make their assumptions and decide to lecture you anyway, or even kick you.

The choice shouldn’t be: comply, or lie.

Simple as that.

If you want to play with a group of people you have to adhere to their philosophy and have common goals, interests and methods. This is true everywhere – from real world to gaming.

If you don’t want to conform to the group’s standards you can find another group.

Nobody has to play with people they don’t want to play with. If I don’t like your build I can subject a kick vote. If enough people from my group agree then you get kicked and have to find another group.

How is that wrong?

Yes, I’m aware you can do that, that was basically my point.

It’s wrong only in that it’s antisocial to put saving a few minutes of your life, over the freedom of choice of other players/customers of a game.

This is not cutting edge raiding we’re talking about here, it’s a few old dungeons…

But, ultimately, it’s the designers of the game’s fault for designing it to favour certain (very rigid and boring) playstyles, classes and builds.

It’s only your fault, in the sense that nicer people tend to be more patient and openminded towards others and are less overly-concerned about efficiency.

Even then, that probably isn’t so much your fault, as the way you’re wired.

All I can say is that 90% (maybe more) of the people (mainly males) I met in WoW were totally mount-obsessed.

Many of them were farming instances for months, or years, to get the rarer ones and I think many of them would have stopped bothering to play without them.

These were not, generally, the kind of players who would frequent forums.

Can’t say I was that into mounts, as a whole – I liked a few of them very much (the flying jewel panthers, for example), but others I could live without.

On the whole, I preferred pets (combat ones, on hunter, or companion ones).

However, the point is, that mounts are like the cars (and planes) of the game world and we all know how many men (especially) really like cars (and probably would like their own planes, given half the chance)…

So, if you’re looking to truly maximise player numbers, I would imagine you’re snobby about mounts at your peril.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Tigaseye.2047:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The hairstyles are probably extravagant because IT’S A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. This whole “it’s not realistic” thing people always go on about drives me insane. If you want a realistic video game go play Second Life with all the other perverts.

“Perverts” for wanting more natural looking hair options, as well as other more elaborate styles?

Someone has a very strange idea of perversion…

To be fair, there are at the very least two pages of completely normal hair for each race that is lore-loyal.

“Normal” perhaps, but not natural.

They (almost) all are updos and/or have hair accessories, or plaits/braids, or fringes/bangs (which you may, or may not like) etc..

For human female, for example, there’s really only the one wavy style that looks fairly natural, doesn’t look overstyled and has no fringe/bangs, or hair accessories etc. and Norn really has nothing like that, at all.

It may appear, to someone who only likes very dramatic styles, that there are plenty of natural styles, as you are probably just going through the available ones thinking “boring, boring, boring…”, or whatever.

But, take another look, with what I have said in mind and you will see what I mean.

I have nothing against dramatic styles, at all, but they should, obviously, be as well as, not instead of, natural styles.

Then we’re all happy.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The hairstyles are probably extravagant because IT’S A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. This whole “it’s not realistic” thing people always go on about drives me insane. If you want a realistic video game go play Second Life with all the other perverts.

“Perverts” for wanting more natural looking hair options, as well as other more elaborate styles?

Someone has a very strange idea of perversion…

drtoszi.2967:

Park.4368:

drtoszi.2967:

Cerpin.9152:

I was pleasantly surprised that the sylvari twintails actually have physics.
Those would have looked really terrible without though…

Huh?

Are you talking about #3? The one with the large twintails?

Doesn’t move for me

It probably has something to do with your video options, the hair on the balthazar outfit doesn’t move on my laptop because my options are set to low, but they move fine on my desktop. The animation option.

That was it, fixed when I bumped it up to medium!

Thankfully, I’m upgrading soon >_>;

My animation option is on high and my human female updo doesn’t move.

Just in case someone is trying to make a decision on whether, or not, to buy it on that basis.

Still looks good, but it’s pretty much totally rigid…

IMO, even an updo should move slightly – the loose bits, like this one has, especially.

azyume.6321:

Tigaseye.2047:

Can someone please explain the point of finishers, in general?

I don’t think I get it…?

I understand what they do – you get a prompt, hit F and they “finish” people.

I just don’t really get the point in bothering doing it.

If it is WvW, the server gets 1 point (PPT) per bloodlust by stomping and get nothing if hit the downed to death.

Finishers can be fun in a way. When my server got paired with YB a while ago, I used my Yak’s finisher and would love to have the tittle Yak Slapper to go with it just for giggles.

Oh OK, so there is a practical/score purpose to them, as well.

Thanks for the explanation.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Hair physics in an MMO that runs on DX9? Seriously?

This place is ALWAYS amusing….

The point that is being made, here, is that the older styles move more than the newer ones.

So, what it runs on is irrelevant.

Zaklex.6308:

Tigaseye.2047:

Zaklex.6308:

nexxe.7081:

eyestrain.3056:

Never played WoW, can you jump/climb literally everything you can see? Are there jumping puzzles and hidden nooks/rewards for playing like a goat on a mission to break the map?
I’ve always thought the terrain of gw2 is amazing, the free roaming and lack of invisible walls is a huge plus. I played TERA for about 10 minutes recently, walked into four invisible walls and uninstalled it.

Just imagine walking from Frostgorge Sound to Cursed Shore without a loading screen.

You’ll still be blocked by mountains too high, but you’ll have the freedom to travel through different routes to another zone. This isn’t possible with GW2, since the only way out is through a portal or waypoint.

Here’s something to think about, if this was really an open world as you’re suggesting, would you mind taking a real time month or so to walk from Frostgorge Sound to Cursed Shore, because that’s how big the world would have to be in order to represent what you can represent by having instanced zones. That would be like walking from New Brunswick, Canada to Miami, Florida…that’s how big the land mass is in relative terms…I don’t think you’d enjoy it all that much.

As for the OP, have you ever really walked along all of those so called ‘square’ maps, I can tell you they’re not. I mean really get up along those ridges and other points, they’re a little more jagged than you think, and keep in mind, not all of the terrain is represented on the map, only the zones themselves are represented, not the transitional terrain between zones, that’s probably what you’re missing the most, and personally, I don’t really care. I don’t play the map.

Of course it wouldn’t take a month.

What on earth are you talking about?

Play the free trial of WoW – it will probably will take you a few hours, to run (without mount) from the far corner of one continent to the far corner of the opposite one (you’ll have to take a ship/airship to cross the ocean).

There is no way it would take you “months” to run though an openworld version of this game.

Of course, with the free version of WoW, you can only level to level 20, so running through high level zones will be virtually impossible; but still, the point remains that once you’re max level (so, don’t have to worry about mobs) running doesn’t take very long.

As someone else pointed out the WoW landmass is only 60 – 80 square miles, and Daggerfall is like 60,000…well, imagine Tyria in it’s entirety: you’d be looking at something like 6,000,000 square miles. Are you going to tell me it wouldn’t take months to traverse 6 million square miles of landscape?

I’m clearly missing something, here.

All you would need to do, for an openworld environment, like WoW, is open the zones up, so you could run through them, from one to another, without running through a portal/loading screen (or any other barrier).

Obviously, there are almost certainly technical limitations that would prevent that, in GW2, but if it was possible, it wouldn’t have to make the world much bigger than it is now.

If you mean that you would have jarring changes between zones (i.e. desert to snow, or whatever) without adding tons more land in between, then I get what you mean.

However, WoW has that kind of thing and people just accept it.

Each entire continent acts as its own openworld entity, but every zone within each continent has its own distinct ecosystem.

An example that springs to mind is Sholazar Basin, which is a jungle type zone in the middle of a largely Scandinavian style (so, largely tundra and snow) continent (Northrend).

There are lore reasons added for the sudden changes, to an extent, but still.

The point is, you originally design the entire world as an openworld continent/set of continents and can make it pretty much any size you want and the difference between adjacent zones as smooth, or as jarring, as you want.

Can someone please explain the point of finishers, in general?

I don’t think I get it…?

I understand what they do – you get a prompt, hit F and they “finish” people.

I just don’t really get the point in bothering doing it.

CptTrips.6512:

warbignime.4610:

CptTrips.6512:

vote for merge

I’m not asking for mounts.

yet your post is about mounts …. like the others spawning weekly ….

And we have a mounts thread

so I still vote for merge

Well, I vote against it.

Everyone knows that if you just merge everything, valid points like this get lost.

Which is, presumably, why you want it merged…

Yeah, I definitely agree.

I got the female human updo and it doesn’t move, at all. :/

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Tigaseye.2047:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

No weird, extravagant hairstyles that no one would ever wear. Like these?

/shrug. Sometimes people do like wild, extravagant hairstyles to achieve a certain look.

They’re nice as works of art, but the idea that many of them would survive hours of running around a WvW map (or the equivalent) is a little far fetched.

Maybe the Mohawk would, with enough buckets of industrial grade hair products?

But, the others, forget it.

They’re made for fashion runways, red carpets, posing in bars, or maybe walking around in wind-sheltered cities, in relatively clement weather and that is about it.

Personally, I’m like the OP – I prefer more relaxed hairstyles, for running around, that look like people’s hair when it just dries naturally.

Obviously, ideally, a fairly nice type of hair – not lank, or anything.

Some of these styles are also nice and I love the flipped over ones for human female, for example, but I think they should be in addition to more natural styles (of which there are relatively few, actually); not instead of.

Especially as a more natural, wavy, long look is very in for women, ATM (if you look through fashion magazines and/or on fashion sites/forums).

You’re worried about something being “far fetched” in a world with talking plants, cowlions, centaurs and magic?

I’m sure there is some Asuran invention that our puissant heroes/heroines have found to keep their flowing locks tamed and upswept under the most trying of circumstances.

Yeah, I know that’s possible – I was saying to my BF that you could, possibly, assume that some sort of magic is involved.

But, personally, I just find it more immersive if hair acts more like hair than an immovable object.

It’s not like most (any?) games have totally realistically moving hair yet, as it is, so it’s not like we have reached that point where it’s something you just take for granted.

When we reach/pass that point, maybe I will decide to abandon it and wear concrete hair instead, because I will be able to think of it as “magic” (as opposed to design capabilities still being limited); but, until then, I prefer to go with the more natural options.

Not only that, but as much as I like art installation hair, on others, I just tend to prefer natural, in general.

You’re less likely to get really tired of it, for start.

Actually, another thing I was just saying to my BF (yeah, he’s a patient guy), was that if the hair had the ability to move naturally and then the char’s animation also correlated with the chosen hairstyle, then it would work.

So say, for example, you had the flipped style, which then (inevitably) unflipped and streamed behind you, as you ran – but then, when you stopped, your char’s new animation was to flip it back over and pull it back to the side of her face.

Now, something like that would really add something to a game (and to a hairstyle option).

As opposed to the current situation, where however nice a hairstyle may be in theory, it has the potential to make the overall experience seem more awkward and less natural.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

Bishop.7140:

There is a permenant hair style kit you can buy for 800 golds.

Yeah, a “mere” £80 to change one’s hairdo from a hair up one, to a hair down one, occasionally.

What a bargain! ><

It’s more than fair enough to purchase hair kits (permanent, or otherwise) for complicated new hairstyles, but it seems excessive to charge for an entire kit, for the right to just put one’s hair up, or down (which one can just do for free, IRL).

Especially if one has already chosen/purchased certain styles, previously.

Once you have chosen your original style and then purchased a new style (or styles), it should be more like an outfit system, IMO.

They could still charge the £80 (ideally less – it’s still far too much), for people who wanted to acquire every style (including all the new ones), I guess.

Veydar.5017:

This would not please those who spent legendary size fortunes on the Perma Kit.

Tough, frankly.

If something is found to be unfair, you don’t just carry on with the unfairness, so the wronged people increase in number, indefinitely.

You nip it in the bud.

Besides, as I say, it would still have some value, in that it would allow them to access all the styles (including all new ones).

It’s not in the gem store (unless you count the black lion keys as it drops from the black lion chests). Because it’s a rare drop from the chests the players have set the price on the TP. Here’s the TP details for the item – https://www.gw2spidy.com/item/38507

Yes, I understand that, but the “rarity” (which is 100% set by ANet – it’s not in the lap of the Gods) + the demand for the item = the price.

So, ANet are, ultimately, in total control of the price, in that if they upped the droprate considerably, the price would, inevitably, fall due to higher supply vs demand.

Similarly, if they offered players this outfit, or maybe transmutation, option that would also affect the price.

Ah right. Way you worded it seemed like you thought that it was on the gem store.

If you’d like to discuss that further or make suggestions with regards to that then I’d advise you try to get in touch with John. There’s a sticky at the top called “I have a question about the economy” and he generally replies in there when he gets the chance.

Well, I’m not sure what I could ask, or suggest, as they are presumably aware that they have complete control over the entire economy, already?

The only thing they don’t have control over is the demand side, for totally optional/cosmetic items.

Although, I guess, even then, they could buy a bunch of stuff to up the perceived demand, if they wanted to.

Other than that, they can do anything they like, whenever they like.

My main concern, however, isn’t really the kits – I think they would find their own level, just fine, if this suggestion was introduced.

I’m not sure either. I only suggested it as you seemed to have an issue with the economy. If you don’t then not an issue please ignore my suggestion.

No, not really an issue, as such, just an awareness of how it works.

I may have issues about the price of individual items (there are some things that ANet have allowed to reach almost astronomical prices), but that’s all, really.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

No weird, extravagant hairstyles that no one would ever wear. Like these?

/shrug. Sometimes people do like wild, extravagant hairstyles to achieve a certain look.

They’re nice as works of art, but the idea that many of them would survive hours of running around a WvW map (or the equivalent) is a little far fetched.

Maybe the Mohawk would, with enough buckets of industrial grade hair products?

But, the others, forget it.

They’re made for fashion runways, red carpets, posing in bars, or maybe walking around in wind-sheltered cities, in relatively clement weather and that is about it.

Personally, I’m like the OP – I prefer more relaxed hairstyles, for running around, that look like people’s hair when it just dries naturally.

Obviously, ideally, a fairly nice type of hair – not lank, or anything.

Some of these styles are also nice and I love the flipped over ones for human female, for example, but I think they should be in addition to more natural styles (of which there are relatively few, actually); not instead of.

Especially as a more natural, wavy, long look is very in for women, ATM (if you look through fashion magazines and/or on fashion sites/forums).

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

Bishop.7140:

There is a permenant hair style kit you can buy for 800 golds.

Yeah, a “mere” £80 to change one’s hairdo from a hair up one, to a hair down one, occasionally.

What a bargain! ><

It’s more than fair enough to purchase hair kits (permanent, or otherwise) for complicated new hairstyles, but it seems excessive to charge for an entire kit, for the right to just put one’s hair up, or down (which one can just do for free, IRL).

Especially if one has already chosen/purchased certain styles, previously.

Once you have chosen your original style and then purchased a new style (or styles), it should be more like an outfit system, IMO.

They could still charge the £80 (ideally less – it’s still far too much), for people who wanted to acquire every style (including all the new ones), I guess.

Veydar.5017:

This would not please those who spent legendary size fortunes on the Perma Kit.

Tough, frankly.

If something is found to be unfair, you don’t just carry on with the unfairness, so the wronged people increase in number, indefinitely.

You nip it in the bud.

Besides, as I say, it would still have some value, in that it would allow them to access all the styles (including all new ones).

It’s not in the gem store (unless you count the black lion keys as it drops from the black lion chests). Because it’s a rare drop from the chests the players have set the price on the TP. Here’s the TP details for the item – https://www.gw2spidy.com/item/38507

Yes, I understand that, but the “rarity” (which is 100% set by ANet – it’s not in the lap of the Gods) + the demand for the item = the price.

So, ANet are, ultimately, in total control of the price, in that if they upped the droprate considerably, the price would, inevitably, fall due to higher supply vs demand.

Similarly, if they offered players this outfit, or maybe transmutation, option that would also affect the price.

Ah right. Way you worded it seemed like you thought that it was on the gem store.

If you’d like to discuss that further or make suggestions with regards to that then I’d advise you try to get in touch with John. There’s a sticky at the top called “I have a question about the economy” and he generally replies in there when he gets the chance.

Well, I’m not sure what I could ask, or suggest, as they are presumably aware that they have complete control over the entire economy, already?

The only thing they don’t have control over is the demand side, for totally optional/cosmetic items.

Although, I guess, even then, they could buy a bunch of stuff to up the perceived demand, if they wanted to.

Other than that, they can do anything they like, whenever they like.

My main concern, however, isn’t really the kits – I think they would find their own level, just fine, if this suggestion was introduced.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Tigaseye.2047:

Bishop.7140:

There is a permenant hair style kit you can buy for 800 golds.

Yeah, a “mere” £80 to change one’s hairdo from a hair up one, to a hair down one, occasionally.

What a bargain! ><

It’s more than fair enough to purchase hair kits (permanent, or otherwise) for complicated new hairstyles, but it seems excessive to charge for an entire kit, for the right to just put one’s hair up, or down (which one can just do for free, IRL).

Especially if one has already chosen/purchased certain styles, previously.

Once you have chosen your original style and then purchased a new style (or styles), it should be more like an outfit system, IMO.

They could still charge the £80 (ideally less – it’s still far too much), for people who wanted to acquire every style (including all the new ones), I guess.

Veydar.5017:

This would not please those who spent legendary size fortunes on the Perma Kit.

Tough, frankly.

If something is found to be unfair, you don’t just carry on with the unfairness, so the wronged people increase in number, indefinitely.

You nip it in the bud.

Besides, as I say, it would still have some value, in that it would allow them to access all the styles (including all new ones).

It’s not in the gem store (unless you count the black lion keys as it drops from the black lion chests). Because it’s a rare drop from the chests the players have set the price on the TP. Here’s the TP details for the item – https://www.gw2spidy.com/item/38507

Yes, I understand that, but the “rarity” (which is 100% set by ANet – it’s not in the lap of the Gods) + the demand for the item = the price.

So, ANet are, ultimately, in total control of the price, in that if they upped the droprate considerably, the price would, inevitably, fall due to higher supply vs demand.

Similarly, if they offered players this outfit (or maybe transmutation) option, that would also affect the price.

Bishop.7140:

There is a permenant hair style kit you can buy for 800 golds.

Yeah, a “mere” £80 (or more) to change one’s hairdo from a hair up one, to a hair down one, occasionally.

What a bargain! ><

It’s more than fair enough to purchase hair kits (permanent, or otherwise) for complicated new hairstyles, but it seems excessive to charge for an entire kit, for the right to just put one’s hair up, or down (which one can just do for free, IRL).

Especially if one has already chosen/purchased certain styles, previously.

Once you have chosen your original style and then purchased a new style (or styles), it should be more like an outfit system, IMO.

They could still charge the £80 (ideally less – it’s still far too much), for people who wanted to acquire every style (including all the new ones), I guess.

Veydar.5017:

This would not please those who spent legendary size fortunes on the Perma Kit.

Tough, frankly.

If something is found to be unfair, you don’t just carry on with the unfairness, so the wronged people increase in number, indefinitely.

You nip it in the bud.

Besides, as I say, it would still have some value, in that it would allow them to access all the styles (including all new ones).

hrasna.3017:

Does anyone else here play GW2 for the pure joy of exploration and discovery?

My kids and I spend hours and hours exploring different corners and overlooked places in Tyria, just like we did in GW1, but most of the people we run into complain that our “Builds” are wrong.

We build our characters the same way we approach the rest of the game: to explore different things. Sure, our equipment, traits, and skills may not meet all the requirements for a PvP or WvW beatdown, but we have a great time discovering what each change can do for our GW2 folks.

I was just wondering if there are any other players like us, or if the whole player base is made up of 6 cookie-cutout elite build types?

-Chris

Yeah, it’s depressing.

Almost as depressing as how I was signed out of this forum, just as I tried to post my reply to you and lost it all.

What brilliant forum design from a multi-million dollar company!

…but, I digress.

I tend to think that, while it is fun to make random builds (I do it myself), the system is just not “fit for purpose”, if it’s so unbalanced and you can so easily make “wrong” choices.

If people are just going to look their builds up online, anyway (and then lecture others), it would be better to just make a system similar to the current WoW one, where all choices are equivalents and are all pretty much equally viable.

Then, you still have choice, just no “wrong” ones.

I know it’s, potentially, slightly less interesting and in a way, it’s giving in to the boring idiots; but, unfortunately, those boring idiots effectively run the random grouping, instanced side of the game.

Hope you and your family keep enjoying the exploring.

Duke Nukem.6783:

they cant complain about ur build if they never see it! i do lv 50 fractals and they STILL dont know i hate the meta! but that doesnt mean i use it =DDDDD

Problem is, they can ask and if you refuse to tell them, they can make their assumptions and decide to lecture you anyway, or even kick you.

The choice shouldn’t be: comply, or lie.

Simple as that.

Dawdler.8521:

Tigaseye.2047:

There is no way it would take you “months” to run though an openworld version of this game.

the WoW main landmass is something in the line of 60-80 square miles if I recall correctly… Daggerfall is somewhere around 60 thousand square miles. And it still only take like a week realtime to walk through.

Can you imagine the amount of development time it would take to create a world that would take months to run through?

A world like that would be pretty amazing, though (as long as there were also shortcuts, of some kind!).

Wouldn’t have to worry about endgame much, as the entire game would take years to explore, let alone complete.

Miss Lana.5276:

Tigaseye.2047:

The penguin sounds very cute, but it should be no more than 800 gems.

Even that price would probably put some people off.

It’d definitely put me off. There’s only been one mini (from memory) that I have bought off the gemstore.

I would say OP would be more inclined to buy said item because of the account name’s affiliation with penguins. If one thinks objectively they would see that 8k gems is WAY too much for said item. That’s $100 USD for a mini (if you pay cash of course), which is absolutely ludicrous.

Quite.

Catering to one, rather unusual (let’s face it), penguin-lover would probably not be the best overall business plan.

Miss Lana.5276:

I suggest perhaps giving us the ability to dye our accessories like our armor. Any dye we have unlocked we can use on the accessory.

Nice idea.

I agree – it is a very limited selection of colours.

There isn’t even a pale pink option, for example; let alone a selection of them.

Personally, I wouldn’t be interested in paying over about 1000 gems for any one thing.

There is really no justification for charging ridiculous amounts for ingame items; fancy effects, or not.

I know I could choose not to buy them, but the fact that they even existed would annoy me.

…and bear in mind that I say this as one of the few, on here, willing to pay a sub (for a well made game).

The penguin sounds very cute, but it should be no more than 800 gems.

Even that price would probably put some people off.

Genlog.4983:

plz no mounts we don’t need them and it will make WVW lagg even more
mounts also count as players

I think it’s fairly safe to say they need to invest in their infrastructure, in that regard, either way.

Yeah, I don’t get it, either.

Game devs seem irrationally fixated on mounts (or the lack of them), in games, ATM.

I think it’s just a phase…

Really, it makes very little difference, either way and just makes the game seem slightly richer and more fun, to have them.

It’s pretty.

I’d just like a long, natural, loose wavy style, TBH.

Like the natural, wavy looking one we already have, but without the very short layers around the front and a bit longer.

I have fairly simple tastes in hair.

I like the longish male human hairstyle and the female human updo.

The side flip ones are also really nice to look at, on a stationary char, but I can’t really envisage them in a running situation.

Long, loose hair should really stream behind your character, when running (or, at the very least, hang down at the back); not stay magically glued to one side of the head.

We kind of need two options for hair – a “work” one, for running around with and an off duty one (like a hair “outfit”), for show only.

Humiliate how?

Surely, the only way that would be humiliating to someone would be if they were homophobic/anti women?

I would just assume the owner of it was either a gay man, or female, TBH.

Nothing wrong with either (I’m female myself), but still.

This game is far too realistic in some ways, while completely forgetting about realism in others.

Balance>realism in a competitive game, always.

If you can manage both simultaneously, then great; if not, concentrate on the balance.

Lazuli.2098:

Um Abbas.5693:

I don’t feel girly

But I agree, whenever I’ve tried to create a decent looking man (from a female pov), I couldn’t it’s 99% clean shaven boy faces with milk dripping off their chin still.
Rugged, older and manly should be more of an option without paying. (Or even with paying if you must!)

Using the slider that lowers the jaw and makes a longer face may help with that.

Yeah and/or the one that makes a broader jaw and maybe even the one that gives a slight underbite (when viewed from the side).

Pandaman.4758:

Tigaseye.2047:

Pandaman.4758:

In a more serious tone, there are adults with full-time “white collar” jobs who aren’t in as financially stable a position as they’d like (for a variety of reasons outside of their control) and have to manage their budgets accordingly; as such limiting how much they spend on entertainment a month is the responsible thing to do and GW2’s cash shop enables people to do just that, to broadly portray it as being immature is pretty kitten disrespectful.

Of course.

The vast majority of white collar workers aren’t in the 1% (or anywhere close to it).

Not leaving me much room to interpret this as anything but a red herring.

It wasn’t a red herring – it was referring back to the point I made that if the (abundant) wealth in the world was shared a little more equally, none of us would have to worry about a few dollars on a game sub, or two.

You are aware that 1% of the population of the world owns the vast majority of its wealth and that the gap between the rich and poor (and middle class!) is bigger than it has ever been, right?

If not, you really should be – it is pretty much common knowledge, at this point.

Zaklex.6308:

nexxe.7081:

eyestrain.3056:

Never played WoW, can you jump/climb literally everything you can see? Are there jumping puzzles and hidden nooks/rewards for playing like a goat on a mission to break the map?
I’ve always thought the terrain of gw2 is amazing, the free roaming and lack of invisible walls is a huge plus. I played TERA for about 10 minutes recently, walked into four invisible walls and uninstalled it.

Just imagine walking from Frostgorge Sound to Cursed Shore without a loading screen.

You’ll still be blocked by mountains too high, but you’ll have the freedom to travel through different routes to another zone. This isn’t possible with GW2, since the only way out is through a portal or waypoint.

Here’s something to think about, if this was really an open world as you’re suggesting, would you mind taking a real time month or so to walk from Frostgorge Sound to Cursed Shore, because that’s how big the world would have to be in order to represent what you can represent by having instanced zones. That would be like walking from New Brunswick, Canada to Miami, Florida…that’s how big the land mass is in relative terms…I don’t think you’d enjoy it all that much.

As for the OP, have you ever really walked along all of those so called ‘square’ maps, I can tell you they’re not. I mean really get up along those ridges and other points, they’re a little more jagged than you think, and keep in mind, not all of the terrain is represented on the map, only the zones themselves are represented, not the transitional terrain between zones, that’s probably what you’re missing the most, and personally, I don’t really care. I don’t play the map.

Of course it wouldn’t take a month.

What on earth are you talking about?

Play the free trial of WoW – it will probably will take you a few hours, to run (without mount) from the far corner of one continent to the far corner of the opposite one (you’ll have to take a ship/airship to cross the ocean).

There is no way it would take you “months” to run though an openworld version of this game.

Of course, with the free version of WoW, you can only level to level 20, so running through high level zones will be virtually impossible; but still, the point remains that once you’re max level (so, don’t have to worry about mobs) running doesn’t take very long.

Algreg.3629:

RegnorVex.4071:

The point is that every time you open the map and look at it you are reminded that all of these biomes are unnaturally rectangular. It’s like looking at a big table instead of the feeling you get when you open up the world map in most other big MMOs.

That is not a point at all, as you don´t “experience” maps, but environments.

Of course you experience a map – every time you open it (which you have to do a lot) it affects your overall experience.

I don’t view it as a major problem, personally, but some people probably do and it is fair enough to mention it.

Not sure what you people think a forum is for, if not to discuss our impressions of the game?

Forums are never going to be full of just “I wuv GW2!!! <3” type threads, so if that irritates you, then why not avoid either the entire forum, or the thread titles that sound like the comments therein may be less than positive?

Instead of patrolling the forms like a bad tempered, unpaid security guard.

eyestrain.3056:

Never played WoW, can you jump/climb literally everything you can see? Are there jumping puzzles and hidden nooks/rewards for playing like a goat on a mission to break the map?
I’ve always thought the terrain of gw2 is amazing, the free roaming and lack of invisible walls is a huge plus. I played TERA for about 10 minutes recently, walked into four invisible walls and uninstalled it.

Well, you can’t climb everything, as some things are too steep to climb.

But, you can climb everything that isn’t too steep (in openworld areas).

They have only recently added jumping puzzles in newer zones.

The main thing about it, is that there aren’t artificial geographical boundaries placed around the edge of the zones.

So, you can just run from one to another, without a portal, or loading screen.

You are still somewhat funnelled if you’re running (or on a ground mount), due to “natural” obstacles in the terrain, but you can just fly over (most of) it, on your flying mount.

The new xpac doesn’t allow flying though, which I found disappointing.

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t add something like that to a game, leave it there for years (so, people become used to it) and then take it away again.

Also, although it is truly openworld, which is great, its engine is obviously ageing somewhat, in terms of graphics.

So, you know, there are pros and cons between the two games, from that POV.

I did notice this rectangular-ness.

I agree it’s not really ideal to see rectangles, when you open the map; but, to be fair, the zones don’t feel rectangular when you’re in them.

I think comparing them to US states is not really relevant, as everyone knows that US states are just completely artificial borders and that (in most cases) there is no actual geographical boundary preventing you leaving one and entering another.

Whereas, the actual geography of the game’s zones is built around the rectangle idea.

Cazamar.7148:

I love how you say Wildstar is better than GW2 in every way then give lame reasons why you are playing this instead. Thank you for making me lol at work.

They weren’t “lame” reasons; they were perfectly reasonable ones.

We don’t all think the same.

If it was the thread I was posting on, at least two of us said we would be happy to pay a sub.

In my case, though, I would only be happy with that situation (or, in fact, the current situation) if certain issues are resolved.

Some of which affect the potential individual fun (for “fun”, here, read balance and proper function) people could have on their chosen class and some of which definitely affect the overall fun (for “fun”, here, read balance and flexibility) most people can, typically, have in things like dungeon paths.

As I said on that thread, I think there are still a potential pool of people in this genre who are willing to pay a sub, but most of those people are only going to pay one on a game they view as worthy of one.

This game, currently, isn’t (quite), but it does have the potential, with a little work (IMO).

Charr aren’t fat, they’re just cat-shaped.

I’ve seen some less pretty-looking human males, so apparently it is possible, if you experiment with the sliders.

Probably the problem you’re having is that this game isn’t 100% conventionally masculine, like some games are (or seem to strive to be).

I mean, look around you, it’s not solely aimed at your totally typical, average male gamer, is it?

Jordo.5913:

heartless.6803:

One thing I’m really starting to get annoyed by is the events in this game.

When a new event happens it’ll add something to work on that is really only doable during the event. Look at the blades backpiece. It’s so hard to get it now because of it’s massive need for blade shards that aren’t easy to get apart from parking 10 characters at no so secret jp.

I hate one time only events that MMO’s seem to be all about these days. One time only events that give out things so people can feel like special snowflakes and show off. It aggravates me.

i see we have an extrovert here

you’re mad at an MMO because you didn’t play the game at a certain time they made an item available

you’re mad at people who got the item because you didn’t play the game at that time

the problem isn’t Anet’s or the other players’ fault, it’s your fault because you didn’t play at a certain time, or you hadn’t even bought the game yet, the people who played at the time had every right to that item, you however do not, it’s how Arenanet rewards it’s loyal fanbase

How is that being an “extrovert”?

Being an extrovert just means being outgoing, socially.

It doesn’t have anything to do with whether, or not, you like “exclusive” items, which are only available at certain times.

In fact, I would have thought an introvert would be more likely to be against them, as they tend to dislike showing off (and show-offs).