Necros have Spectral Wall to add to the the mix and in WvW, well bombs are still a thing. So while Necros still really don’t do anything ‘necroy’ in a zerg, they’re still meta. I wouldn’t worry too much about being second class.
Maybe necro bomb is a thing in tier 3 WvW, but in proper servers they are abysmal at best, necromancer just plainly sucks hard and has done since beta weekend 1, that’s the only time necromancer was not entirely useless in the entire game.
A mesmer does a better job than “necro” bomb and mesmers are far from good in zergs.
Well that’s blatantly not true. T1 uses a lot of Necros.
I’ll be really surprised if its not sword. So far, most of the confirmed and rumored weapons are weapons that fit the classes when compared to other rpgs and fantasy games.
Ranger turning into druid; druid is a common rpg class. Thief getting a refile works as a sniper. In D&D 3ed and Pathfinder, bow using Paladins are powerful. Fantasy engineers using hammers is a pretty common thing. Necro’s using Greatsword has a dark/death knight feel to it. So far, Shield and Mesmer is the only odd man out, but Mesmer is already the odd man out when it comes to the classes since its the most unique class the game has. Every other class fits into common fantasy archtypes already.
Warrior Mages are pretty common and popular, so I highly expect sword for Ele.
I leveled with a staff and generally killed things before they could really do too much to me. Staff also has multiple CC’s to help you out and healing from Water if you need it. Yeah, Ele needs to be more aware of its surroundings when leveling since it has low base defenses, but as long as you pay attention its not kitten
ly hard part of Ele leveling is getting used to attunement swapping and remembering what all of your abilities do. Most classes can level without ever really worrying about weapon swapping too much, but Ele goes a lot better the sooner you get used to it.
I played around with it last night and its definitely potent in general unorganized rank games. I was wrecking people left and right. I think a lot of it just came down to people not expecting it. A lot of people I played against seemed like they were expecting a D/D ele trying to sustain for the win and weren’t prepared at all for the damage.
Really feels like you have to be aggressive when playing it. Without the sustain and condi cleanse of D/D, I felt like I had to go balls to wall since the longer a fight lasted the worse it went for me.
Judging from Shieldbash’s posts I’ve seen in various threads, he wants a class that has high damage, only uses melee weapons, and has great defenses. Any sort of weakness to the class is unacceptable and if you bring any group support at all, even if that group support also directly benefits you, it makes the class awful.
I really wouldn’t worry about anything until we get actual specifics on things. I mean, of course everything about Revenant is going to seem awesome andpowerful; they’re trying to hype the class. You don’t hype a class going “Yeah, we’ve spent a lot of time going over the math to make sure every skill is balanced versus the other classes”. You do it by going “OMG, LOOK AT ALL THE COOL kitten THIS CLASS CAN DO, COME AND PLAY IT”.
For all we know, Revenant could end up being horribly week or horribly OP. It could be perfectly balanced. It’s skills could sound awesome on paper, but end up being horribly clunky and unfun to play. All we’ve gotten are the obvious hype attempts which clearly worked since I’ve already seen quite a few “OMG, SCREW -my current class-, I’M MAKING A REVENANT” despite not really knowing much about the class.
I think its more people liking Warriors being free kills and you want to keep them that way!
If a Warrior is a free kill, then the issue is a pebmac issue for the Warrior.
Its pathetic that the only way a Warrior can be viable is to shoot from range being a MELEE class!
Warrior isn’t a “melee” class. It has never been defined as a “melee” class since it has had Bow and Rifle available since the game game first came out. Every class has options for melee weapons and range weapons (although how well balanced those options are is up for debate),
It should also be pointed out that every bow build also uses melee weapons. Axebow uses an axe. Shoutbow uses a sword. Hambow uses, wait for it….wait for it….a hammer. Half of the build is still designed around melee weapons.
Why do people say bow doesn’t fit the Guardian profession? No where has Guardian ever been defined as anti-bow. Flavor wise Guardian is a class that protects and supports its allies. Not like you can’t have a bow that does that.
Its not even like defender based classes in other fantasy games have been anti-bow in the past. At least since D&D 3.5, archer clerics and archer paladins have been a thing. In Pathfinder, one of the highest damaging builds for Paladins uses a bow. FF4 the main cleric character uses a bow and the main character who becomes a a paladin can use a bow and needs to at one point in the game.
To expand on WvW, Rangers are pretty decent right now and the stigma of playing them is starting to go away. While a lot people still default to the “Only play GWEN” mindset, others are finally starting to learn to branch out. Old habits die hard, though, so you’re going to have people calling Rangers bad and useless.
The #1 thing I hear Commanders in T1 complain about is being targeted and pin sniped. The 2nd would be their zerg not staying together. Rangers cause both of those things with strong single target burst and having good access to Cripple and Immob.
While you still want more GWEN classes than not in WvW, Rangers definitely have their place.
I’d rather they just buffed GS some more instead of changing sword. Let those who enjoy sword’s unique play style keep it while giving those of us who don’t like it a viable alternative.
Depends on your group. Are you trying for 100% efficient speedruns? If so, then Necro really isn’t going to work out for your group.
Are you just an average group going through dungeons? Then a power necro build is good enough. Unless you’re trying to shave off a minute or two from your dungeon runs, optimizing classes really isn’t needed.
People often confuse optimal and viable. Necros aren’t optimal in dungeons, but they are plenty viable.
Warrior tend to take the brunt of the enemy attack they well melt is anything less than pvt.
Not if you avoid damage using very basic abilities. Dodging, staying out of red circles, kiting, blocks, invulnerabilities, etc.
If two evenly skilled 10 man groups faced off against each other while one is all zerk and the other is all PVT hammer train warrior guardians, then the zerker group would win. We do this all the time against “zerg comp” guilds. Pretty easy fights and it’s hilarious to see the zerg builds complain in PMs about being murdered.
This may work on smaller servers, but on T1-2 you are hardly ever just fighting perfectly organized 10 man groups.
Against a large zerg you will melt as a zerker.
The problem here is what they’re doing is technically all legal.
Which can easily be changed by Anet at any time. This is their game. If they know someone is trolling nonstop for weeks at a time, they have every right in the world to just ban them. And lets be honest, its really easy to tell if someone is trolling or if someone is just doing something dumb because they don’t know any better. This isn’t a slippery slope thing.
Hell, when the game first came out they had no problem banning people for exploiting even if the exploit was perfectly “legal”. A bug makes karma vendors sell stuff for cheap? Well, you could get banned for exploiting it even if buying stuff from a karma vendor is perfectly legal.
The only reasonable solution is to just ban people who do this. Anyone else who says something different is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Its pretty simple. Two equally skilled players fight, the winner will be the one with the 1v1 spec/gear/runes/ect. There is no way around it. The difference between a group build and a solo build can be massive. If I am using a group based build I gain nothing from trying to 1v1. I’ll probably lose unless the enemy is bad and by choosing to stay and die I deprive my group the suppport it needs. Hell, even if I manage to win, I am still wasting time that could be better spent supporting my group.
If I’m messing around and running a meditation build in WvW for fun, I’ll 1v1 all day everyday. Otherwise, not worth my time to feed someones ego. And despite people denying it, its clearly all about the ego.
Playing for PPT only works if the fight is fair. Right now, Yaks Bend has no chance of winning against SBI or the other higher tier servers that have a way bigger WvW base. Playing for bags/fights/ect will always be fun. More so when you consider the fact that being outnumbered means constant people to fight against.
As soon as we get a matchup where we can reasonably win? Sure, I’ll play a little more towards PPT. Until then, its all about wiping the enemy zergs.
Hitpoints and armor are only part of the defense in GW2. Dodging and blocking attacks offer just as much defense as stats. Warriors also have things like their stances to avoid either physical damage or condition damage. Shield to block damage or their Warhorn to blast waterfields to heal. Shield Bash and Hammer CC prevents damage by CC’ing the enemy. Warrior’s easy access to Stability allows you to move out of harm’s way reliably. Things like that.
Stacking Vitality and Toughness will help you live longer, but they won’t keep you alive if you don’t use your other resources as well.
Can’t believe people are defending Diamond Skin. Its practically the definition of a badly designed game mechanic.
Please, we all know a spy on Mags wouldn’t get anything done because they would be too busy laughing at everyone crying constantly about SFD. Wouldn’t have the time to actually achieve anything.
Ele’s can do better damage, but are really fragile when doing so. Thieves can have great mobility, but they aren’t going to be able to take a hit.
Warriors had amazing damage that was fairly idiot proof while having great mobility, defenses, and crowd control. Warriors may not be the very best at these things individually, but they can do all of them very well at the same time. That was the problem.
I think it is a combination of league burn out and closer matching for the week. In a couple weeks of random match ups and you will see the normal variance
Yeah, its going to take a couple of weeks to really see how things are going.
Yak’s Bend, for example, could queue 2-3 maps on any given night at NA primetime during the last 3 or so weeks of season 1. Last night, YB was outnumbered in EB and the other maps weren’t exactly bustling. Could be burn out. Could be pve players not playing anymore. Either way, it will take a few weeks to really see.
Everyone already knows the importance of TS. Thing is, most people would rather do worse than have to listen to the random crap that is always spewed on TS/Vent/Whathaveyou.
If gamers stopped being awful annoying idiots on things like TS, you would probably see more people willing to get on. But when most are 75% people crying, being annoying, or rattling on about how high they are and 25% (at best) useful info, you won’t get people on.
This is going to be an interesting week for sure. Interested to see how the end of the season will effect servers. A lot of servers got more coverage with the extra people playing.
It seems pretty clear that FA and Mag should have switched places in the leagues, though.
No. I mean that Grenth is a Human god.
Charr having their ‘’Charr have no gods’’ and running around looking like a human god will look ridiculous.
Norn having their animal spirits.
Asura believes in the eternal alchemy, seeing everyone else as a lesser race as well.
Sylvari is most likely the only one except humans themselves that would fit since Sylvari has taken the appearance of humans, and they are like children out in the world to learn.
Norns consider the human gods to be the spirits of action. A Norn necro would accept Grenth as a powerful being that has some sort of connection to the spirit world. Norns may not revere the human gods to the same extent as the animal spirits, but they do consider them powerful beings.
Asura consider the human gods to be part of the eternal alchemy. No reason an Asuran couldn’t believe Grenth to be a powerful being that could help lead him/her to a better understanding of the eternal alchemy.
Charr is a stretch, but they do consider the human gods to be powerful beings. Not a complete stretch to take elements of a powerful enemy into your appearance.
Sylvari are really the only ones who don’t completely fit since they as a race haven’t seen the human gods do anything. But then again, taking the appearance of a powerful mythical figure isn’t really a stretch.
This isn’t real life where there is debate about the existence of gods. The vast majority of GW2 beings consider the human gods to be real; just not gods. And just because they may not revere them as gods wouldn’t mean they wouldn’t respect them as powerful beings.
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Come on guys, we can do it. Almost to 30 pages.
Quick, say something about 2v1, cheating, trolling, ESO weekend, thanksgiving, open world combat, sieges, fairweather players, and bandwagons. We haven’t covered those topics yet!
Thanks for the bags. I couldn’t have been happier you 2v1’d us this match-up. The vast majority of players on YB and EBay are terrible at combat that doesn’t involve them behind walls and on siege. I bag farmed troves of your god awful scrubs all day in EBG and throughout the week on many maps. The fact that you won doesn’t bother me. Enjoy your dolyak finisher, I’ll enjoy your thousands of loot bags. This was the best match-up we had thus far in the leagues. I’ve never seen bad players with morale good enough to keep getting wiped like you can find on Ebay and YB, so for that I thank you. If you ever are matched up with us again, please 2v1. The lack of queues and fairweathers was refreshing, and your bags were dropping everywhere.
Keep it classy baddies,
Star
On a scale of 1 to mad, you are like double mad.
Just posting so that I can say that I’ve posted in the greatest thread this forum will ever see.
Its been a very long time since the gods really did anything. Why would every Charr still be bitter about things?
Plus, most races accept that the human gods exist/existed. They just consider them powerful beings and not gods to be worshiped. Not hard to believe that a Asuran Necro would have some sort of respect for a powerful Necromancer like Grenth even if he doesn’t worship him as a god.
This seems like such a non issue.
People will still see your super special T3 armor and know you paid 119g for it. Nothing changed there. Hell, the gem store version even gives you less flexibility in looks since you have to go with the flame motif with it. The t3 doesn’t.
Maybe get gear you think looks good and stop worrying about other people?
If it was any other type of armor or weapon (heck, even Legendaries), it wouldn’t bother me.
But the whole point, the WHOLE blessed point of Cultural armor was that is was exclusive to each race.
Making it (T3, no less!) available to every other race is just wrong, and unfair.
It still looks different. Your T3 doesn’t have stupid fire particle effects.
Use what YOU think looks good. If you’re worried that other people won’t be drooling over your T3 anymore then don’t worry. T3 has been pretty common for a long time.
This seems like such a non issue.
People will still see your super special T3 armor and know you paid 119g for it. Nothing changed there. Hell, the gem store version even gives you less flexibility in looks since you have to go with the flame motif with it. The t3 doesn’t.
Maybe get gear you think looks good and stop worrying about other people?
Spray heals for less, has a longer cooldown, and doesn’t remove bleeds.
The heavy armor stuff is a bit OP. Cleave + heavy armor + large AOE + DS = ultimate melee class. Too much.
Warrior already has all that plus a ton of stability and CC to make it work.
I think we need to move away from the hurt yourself to hurt others that the necro has. It made sense it beta when we where op, but since the abilities that work that way have been “shaved” and DS has been nerfed. So it used to be more risk vs reward. If you lesson the reward why leave the risk the same?
For flavor and fun?
Losing fun and flavor for the sake of balance makes sense, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.
Add Greatsword and/or Hammer. Add a trait that increases a Necro’s armor rating to be similar to a Heavy class’s armor rating if the Necro is using a Greatsword or Hammer. Voila, dark knight type class now available to play.
Give the weapons moves that hurt your enemy while also hurting yourself. Stuff similar to the Blood is Power type of move. Then also buff the blood trait line so that the healing isn’t awful.
Won’t happen, but I can dream.
Because game mechanics are a thing? Wouldn’t be a very fun game if the NPCs could do everything without you.
The game doesn’t have a monthly sub because it has a cash shop.
This isn’t greed. This is an MMO making money through one of the two common avenues that MMO’s make money from; a cash shop or a subscription fee.
If there is enough demand for race change you can bet there will eventually be a supply of race change.
Probably when a larger chunk of the population is fully geared in ascended gear and the idea of rerolling due to race isn’t an option for the majority of people.
Lol I think someone is a little bitter that we didn’t pick the already stacked SBI. I really wish that someone would record some of our encounter at least from last night to say it wasn’t even numbers when we were fighting between garrison and bay is a lie, to say that the numbers you had in cliffside were not close to even is another lie, and to say the zerg we rolled in EB wasn’t on even ground is another lie. Talk about safety in numbers I have yet to see SBI split up that blob in EB maybe we hurt someones feeling last night.
A fine example of post-purchase rationalization.
Or maybe we’re just happy with IoJ? We wanted a DH level of server that had a bigger WvW crowd. That’s it. We didn’t want to go to a huge server that would have constant queue’s since we like to be able to rally at a moments notice and get 20+ people into EB or a BL and play together. We would not be able to reliably do that on SBI or higher tier servers.
MMO forums are always a good way to remind yourself why its good that players don’t get any real input with game design.
If some players had it their way, new players would get steamrolled by veterans that had years to build up super awesome powers and WvW would be nothing put normal pvp on a large map with pretty buildings that are there for decoration.
the only thing I can find against shield as a guardian I can type…
shield is meant to use it to block attacks… no matter what profession am I that is the first thing for which shield was invented.
so why being guardian means that I cannot “just block” the incoming atack?
I know, I know that we have many other blocks but that’s the only really problem I see in shield for guardians…
I think you’re just getting caught up with semantics. Guardian shield doesn’t “block” things with the definition of what “block” is in GW2, but its certainly blocks things. It gives you more armor so its “blocking” damage. It also gives AoE protection so it also “blocks” damage that way. In addition, it can knock back players and block projectiles.
It may not have an ability that says “Block the next x attacks”, but flavor-wise it does block damage via protection, armor, and knockbacks. Plus, those things are more magic oriented than what a Warrior’s shield does so it fits with the Guardian flavor even more.
GS/Staff is my go to WvW support Guardian set up.
You’ll probably be using staff 90% of the time in WvW. Empower, decent AoE damage, healing, and Line of Warding makes it the best weapon we have for larger group play.
I mostly use GS for the mobility and those times when you can pull and WW effectively. Even in full clerics gear I can do a couple thousand damage with WW. Scepter/Focus is also useful, but I just love having the leap on the GS when running across a map.
Its close enough to be able to call it “permaswiftness”. Stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing. Pretty much just getting into semantics there.
And I have no problem timing it to avoid the staff bug.
Same old same old. The losing servers blame it on numbers. The winning server sucks but they just have the numbers. Blah blah blah. Don’t get me wrong, DH does the same thing. When we fought AR and BP we claimed our losing was the numbers and nothing else. Hell, you can still see people claiming that in this thread.
So same old same old.
Extra Karma would be fine as long as it was more or less the amount you’d get from doing an event. Killing 25 aquatic creatures takes about the same amount of time as a lot of events, so it would be fairly even.
Enough to justify doing it for some people but not enough to make it feel like you need to do it.
Seems like Anet has decided to go with the portion of the player base that wants newer and better items to constantly work for. Fair enough. I hope for Anet’s sake that that portion of the player base will continue to play the game because they will eventually lose those of us who bought the game with the idea that once you got the best gear, new gear would be more focused on looks and not stats.
Which is fine. Its Anet’s game and they can do with it what they want.
Got to love the kitten.
Few GoM guilds annoy SE. SE decides it would be fun to push GoM out of their borderlands for a little bit so they have a temporary truce with HoD in order to do so. At this point, everyone decides this is the worst crime to eve happen. Cause a small meaningless truce this far into the week for funzies is clearly super serious.
Super Serious.
Super serious it IS! Though, Here, you wanna read the whole map chat convo that happened where [SE] was getting madfaced at [abys] for taking a hod tower in gom borderlands, and screaming about their alliance? And then we all laughed at them and told them to stop being serious, and that we don’t need an alliance as a server, they started screaming about it being a legitimate strategy. Funsies people. Have funsies. If you need the whole SUPR SRS log, I’ll post it, and you can see how “For funsies” that alliance was, and how “U GUIS SUCK QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ MESSED UP OUR ALLIANCE” [SE] got afterwards.
Ahahaha. You sound sooooo kitten. Hilarious.
Got to love the kitten.
Few GoM guilds annoy SE. SE decides it would be fun to push GoM out of their borderlands for a little bit so they have a temporary truce with HoD in order to do so. At this point, everyone decides this is the worst crime to eve happen. Cause a small meaningless truce this far into the week for funzies is clearly super serious.
Super Serious.
Because people like the complain.
MMO forums are a vile place.