Guild Wars 2

Midnightjade.3520:

EBJP is really high traffic – not a good idea at all.

I’d really like to see a GvG area placed aside and would watch matches. Right now I can contribute to WvWvW via zerg or siege, but in a small numbers or especially 1v1 situation, I really suck. Would love to get better.

I’d be happy to teach you how to solo farm a camp after the patch :-)

I play(ed) WvW almost exclusively. After the last patch I went in to test a confusion stacking build the uses Tool Kit, Bomb Kit and P/S. Since ANet still hasn’t fixed culling and lag I couldn’t properly test. There is definite potential to adapt the condition side to evasion any rely on confusion and the harder hitting offensive tools.

Post March 26th this will definitely be the first thing I test.

Dyroth.5063:

You forget that any jumping puzzle will have a high amount of traffic making things easily trolled.

I FORGET NOTHING!!

I am an elephant.

WoDan.4079:

The EBJP would be a good spot for GVG. There’s plenty of areas where spectators could have an elevated vantage point to watch from. And commander tags would not interfere with wvw action.

Best idea I’ve seen yet for GvG location. Large area, varied terrain, out of the way.

I get where Noodles is coming from. That’s where structured PvP is valuable as you can set the parameters.

/my opinion

The value of WvW in determining skill among groups is precisely due to the random nature and lack of structure. Your group of 15 roaming the map suddenly encounters 25 enemy. How do you react? What are your tactics? This will truely show the mettle of a commander. Warhammer was really good at providing these opportunities. If ANet can fix the performance issues, the potential is there for this game as well.

When I first started playing the reason I enjoyed tagging along with [TW] was exactly because the game worked properly and Indo was that kind of commander.

When [HeL] joined SoR the same applied. I don’t even remember the commander their first night in but tactically great in small group against larger numbers.

I guess a couple points for the TL:DR crowd. Introduce larger sPvP, and fix culling and lag.

I did see a GvG video from that area that was interesting because they moved into the orchard. That would make for some interesting LoS issues. Players would have to make some quick adjustments in that situation.

The thing that is funny to me is all the prep work. Even numbers determining the field etc… I think the player base should ask for 20v20 arena s or tPvP. If the demand is there one would think they’d implement it.

I forgot my own rules for forum etiquette so I update my sig.

I really miss playing, I hope ANet gets this patch right. So looking forward to playing again if they do.

covenn.7165:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Fear quality

Recap for those who can’t watch videos in the office:

1. EMP vs AGG in a GvG at prime time while BG is last in points.
2. EMP rolls AGG at what appears to be the SoR borderland.
3. FEAR rolls into the area and attacks.
4. EMP, AGG, what appears to be SF, as well as bystanders (really hard to tell due to all the stupid culling going on)… join together and fight them.
5. People get killed on bother sides.
6. Looks like FEAR is got overwhelmed and is forced to withdraw
7. EMP stands around patting themselves on the back.

I think that is accurate, but it is so hard to tell with all the culling.

I think the correct interpretation is [FEAR] thought they were going to have easy targets while people were trying to GvG.

Scouts picked them out.

[FEAR] got rolled.

5 more days until I can get back into WvW! Fingers crossed.

Watch out BG and JG. When you see a dead Supervisor in a camp I’m going to be close by.

Score Update!

hex.3218:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

Plus, I have seen multiple (closer to 10) posters on more than 1 GW forum espousing the same ideas and changing them constantly to fit their arguement, and very few SoR posters even bothering to stick up for themselves and disavow these other posters.

I have seen different posters giving a wide range of opinions on various subjects. Why would you ever presume to attribute that to a whole, let alone claim that?

Also, bravo on the argumentum a silentio play you made there. I am sure nobody will notice it…..

We get it. You read books.

Call of the dogs, my friend. It’s all good.

Just answer me one question, please?

Which is your favorite map for WvW?

I was going to go with the map that is the most patronizing.

:)

What do you do for condition removal?

DKNS.2135:

You might want to actually start your game and check the scores before commenting here.

You’re right, SoR was never in second at any point on Wednesday.

My apologies.

Blade.9317:

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

Interesting. It’s Wednesday. SoR is still in second? BG is in Third? JQ isn’t steamrolling?

Clearly SoR doesn’t belong in T1.

Interesting.

I heard somewhere if you stop feeding a troll it dies.

Score update.

“A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.”

Warner and Raiter 2005 primary wikipedia

Emphasis on unintended is mine.

Binafus.8153:

The graphs show the servers are equal in numbers.

JQ is just better.

The most simplistic way to interpret data.

Hopefully you are not an economist.

Masamoon.3864:

3:02 am PST update from the lovely BG Keep in EB.

Interesting. It’s Tuesday and SoR is in second place? BG is in third? JQ isn’t running away with it? And here I thought SoR wasn’t a T1 server.

Interesting.

Score Update. First time playing again in almost a month. Still unplayable, even on the new machine.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Score update.

Interesting, the weekend is over and BG is in 3rd.

Jayne.9251:

Tyaen.5148:

Ah yes, but the good stuff is Wheat. Kind of like SoR. The common mass produced stuff is potato, kind of like BG.

;-)

I see you entirely missed the point of the joke. I guess it was pretty subtle.

I guess so, I watched it twice and still don’t get what your going for. Sometimes I can be obtuse though.

I just thought I’d tweak some noses.

Jayne.9251:

Tyaen.5148:

Jayne.9251:

Pvp.2758:

Vodka.3958:

Pvp.2758:

Vodka.3958:

Aurust.8961:

WTF QQ BG and JQ 2v1 us in SM QQ wa wa wa wa….. someone call me a wambulance 2v1 no fair in a 3 way matchup.

Edit*** SOR wins 1v2 gg

The immaturity level of the SoR community is astounding.

The only thing SoR manages to win is third place, just like last week & the week before that… I’ve gotta give it to you though, you do have a strong weekend warrior crew largely composed of 12-17 y/o gamers which is why you aren’t able to perform up to T1 standards during the weekday and probably why your server doesn’t get any transfers. The whole being mushed into 1 huge zerg ball bouncing from map to map together is a pretty good strat for your server, really shows your all about quantity over quality.

(P.S. that post is probably the most mature comment I’ve seen coming from an SoR player, especially the “wambulance” part; lol very classy. Keep up the good fights kids.)

That level of troll is off the roof lolz

Edit: In before edit LOL

Almost on your level potato

He knows my name <3

Well of course he does. How do you think vodka is made?

Wheat.

Sometimes. But more often this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxwriXGXS1A

Ah yes, but the good stuff is Wheat. Kind of like SoR. The common mass produced stuff is potato, kind of like BG.

;-)

Jayne.9251:

Pvp.2758:

Vodka.3958:

Pvp.2758:

Vodka.3958:

Aurust.8961:

WTF QQ BG and JQ 2v1 us in SM QQ wa wa wa wa….. someone call me a wambulance 2v1 no fair in a 3 way matchup.

Edit*** SOR wins 1v2 gg

The immaturity level of the SoR community is astounding.

The only thing SoR manages to win is third place, just like last week & the week before that… I’ve gotta give it to you though, you do have a strong weekend warrior crew largely composed of 12-17 y/o gamers which is why you aren’t able to perform up to T1 standards during the weekday and probably why your server doesn’t get any transfers. The whole being mushed into 1 huge zerg ball bouncing from map to map together is a pretty good strat for your server, really shows your all about quantity over quality.

(P.S. that post is probably the most mature comment I’ve seen coming from an SoR player, especially the “wambulance” part; lol very classy. Keep up the good fights kids.)

That level of troll is off the roof lolz

Edit: In before edit LOL

Almost on your level potato

He knows my name <3

Well of course he does. How do you think vodka is made?

Wheat.

My ViDock is here! My ViDock is here!

Maybe now I don’t have to wait for ANet to patch their game.

This thread is 3 pages deep already? Have the matches even reset yet?

Zikory.6871:

Orikx.9671:

Dredrum.2563:

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

Dredrum.2563:

I love the people saying SoR is a t1 server, SoR is not a t1 server it got in t1 in a fluke of server xfers to sos/jq when xfers were free leaving them to dominate there tier and skyrocket their score. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying SoR is bad, I am saying there coverage has a hole so big you could drive a mack truck through it, during JQ’s number 1 time for point gain. Leaving for a steady blowout every week not a competitive nail biting match.

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

If this were true then they would be so far ahead in T2 scoring that they would actually be gaining more in ELO than they currently are. They can’t beat the T2 servers by enough, they’d get killed by BG and JQ.

Taldek.6105:

Regarding the interruption of the GvG thing:
Bad form: An offense against current social convention
For those that would argue that current mechanics allow it is not a valid argument against it being bad form. That is equivalent to saying something that is not illegal must be ethical.

For the record if what happened is true I personally frown on it (however irrelevant my opinion is).

That said your argument is opinion. There are no agreed upon social conventions in GW2 any more than there are on these forums or the Internet in general. There are compacts made between specific guilds. If you don’t want randoms spoiling the fun maybe the guilds should change the location from the known area. This would probably help with lag, culling and spectators getting involved by accident as well.

JaredKincade.9761:

Tyaen.5148:

There is nothing ironic about the statement. Untruthful maybe.

Many people seem to not understand what irony is. I blame Alanis Morrisette.

Actually, I was mostly trying to bait Irony into chiming in. lol.

I was kind of hoping for the same thing

There is nothing ironic about the statement. Untruthful maybe.

Many people seem to not understand what irony is. I blame Alanis Morrisette.

Some people just can’t help themselves.

Midnightjade.3520:

… But if my server was in danger of slipping into T2, no way in hell would I be ganking level 1 mules in a JP. I’d be helping retake lost assets, or take new ones.

It makes SoR participants look bad and I’m pointing it out. Some of your players are half-assing it.

Who’s in danger of slipping to T2? Certainly not SoR this week.

DeWolfe.2174:

Just venting that the SOR I’m coming across this week are exhibiting the worst sportsman I’ve seen. Clean up the behavior please SOR. Learn some manors… that is all.

btw… for the overly exaggerated conversation of our coverage on JQ. Presently, we have one map at a full queue. Our numbers are not the only reason we’re good.

Which manor should SoR learn? Wayne Manor? Spelling Manor (pun intended)? Croft Manor?

Just curious.

edit: Also, do you know where we can attain the floor plans?

And another

A couple of screenies of the amazing GvG battle.

LetoII.3782:

Tyaen.5148:

Burl.9567:

Who said that? We don’t hate BG at all.

I hate everybody. Especially SoR. Those guys are terrible.

Masochist, I knew it!
No wonder you do so much camp patrolling

The masochistic part is that I keep checking in hoping ANet has fixed the game. I miss playing.

Burl.9567:

Who said that? We don’t hate BG at all.

I hate everybody. Especially SoR. Those guys are terrible.

More fun with Choo (for the hockey fans)

Vodka.3958:

… you aren’t even worth my time on the forums …

Oh the Internets are full of irony.

Israel.7056:

Yeah I don’t really understand the skill lag from a technical perspective. I don’t know if it’s an issue that can really be fixed but it makes some fights unplayable for me because i can’t heal, I can’t use utilities and I can’t even get most of my attacks to actually work. I’m basically stuck running around and auto attacking. It’s absurd.

What’s really absurd is the lack of a response from ArenaNet.

Burl.9567:

Tyaen.5148:

Thought I’d check in to see if ANet has addressed performance issues. sounds like they are going the wrong way.

Next Patch™

ROFL™

Thought I’d check in to see if ANet has addressed performance issues. sounds like they are going the wrong way.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Cactus.2710:

Gab Superstar.4059:

VOLKON.1290:

Gab Superstar.4059:

VOLKON.1290:

The morning comes, the disconnects continue. Hopefully someone at the office is looking into this?

I seriously hope not.

I don’t want Arena Net to waste their money on kittens who decided to hoard on one server and then complain about lag.

If you guys didn’t bandwagon, or encourage others to do so, server population would be more evenly spread out and you wouldn’t have lag.

Hate to disappoint ya son, but I was born and raised in the Quarry before you were even a pixel in the mind’s eye. Here’s a tidbit o’ data for you… populations are still the same due to the cap on players allowed.

Are you under the impression that every tier has queues?

Every tier has the potential for battles large enough to cause heavy lag, queue or no queue … they simply are more likely in the upper tiers. That doesn’t make lag in the lower tiers any less annoying … only less often.

Indeed. But if you increase the server bandwidth only to fix the lag a few players experience 1-2 times a week you are wasting resources which could be put to better use elsewhere.

It’s Company 101, don’t waste resources on things that will hardly be noticeable to the consumers in favor of things that will actually make an impact on a larger scale.

I guess Habib and Mike’s posts that they are aware of the extremely bad culling and are releasing what they hope is a fix in March are just illusory. I guess all the previous threads on how bad culling is are illusory. I guess the thread that had a poll with well over a thousand responses in which at last count 67% of which said culling was worse was illusory. I guess all the people in our server TS who complained of the culling and ability lag being worse than ever were illusory.

The only experience that matters is Gab Superstar’s experience (what an apropos forum name). Fortunately I know a Troll for a Troll.

Anet, I’ll be back after the March patch. If you haven’t fixed it by then, my money is gone.

Logged, game is unplayable again.

Goloith.6349:

So small 5 man WvW is officially dead as of this patch.

What are you talking about?

If I can solo a camp, I’m pretty sure a 5 man isn’t going to have any problems.

EnRohbi.2187:

Tyaen.5148:

EnRohbi.2187:

Tyaen.5148:

EnRohbi.2187:

You have no right to insult Anet for your own shortcomings

I love the defenders of a game that doesn’t work as it should.

He has every right to criticize Anet for continually delivering a sub-par experience in WvW. He (as did we all) paid for this game. Just because you aren’t experiencing the problem, or don’t feel it’s unacceptable doesn’t invalidate others experience. There are many, many, many threads where the overwhelming majority of people posting explain how bad it is.

For myself: unplayable in large group battles due to culling and skill lag. Even solo roaming if I run into a large group I generally don’t see them until they are on top of me.

So what would you like Anet to do?
They’re putting a solution to that problem out and all you have to do is kitten about it like a whiny little spoiled kid.

“You: We have a problem with culling”
“Anet: No worries, we’re fixing it next month”

And you take this as a negative thing.
Do you have any brain in your head at all?

Do you have any reading comprehension at all?

Where did I say the fact that they are implementing a possible fix was a negative thing?

Okay, I will rescind that part.
I need to work on reading the forum names of people I’m responding to.

I just think it’s ridiculous that people call the game completely unplayable because of culling, don’t trust Anet to ever fix it, but they’re still here playing the game.

I play because I’ve figured out some settings that work for me, and I avoid situations I know are going to be terrible. I shouldn’t have to do that though, the game should work as advertised. I’m glad they are working on it, and really hope they have it fixed. You’ll forgive my skepticism though as the last change they made made my experience go from bad to worse. I already own the game, so my recourse is to play, give them feedback and hope they fix it. In the mean time I stop buying gems to further support them financially until it’s fixed.

I love the game, and it’s potential but I won’t support it indefinitely without progress.

Fingers crossed.

EnRohbi.2187:

Tyaen.5148:

EnRohbi.2187:

You have no right to insult Anet for your own shortcomings

I love the defenders of a game that doesn’t work as it should.

He has every right to criticize Anet for continually delivering a sub-par experience in WvW. He (as did we all) paid for this game. Just because you aren’t experiencing the problem, or don’t feel it’s unacceptable doesn’t invalidate others experience. There are many, many, many threads where the overwhelming majority of people posting explain how bad it is.

For myself: unplayable in large group battles due to culling and skill lag. Even solo roaming if I run into a large group I generally don’t see them until they are on top of me.

So what would you like Anet to do?
They’re putting a solution to that problem out and all you have to do is kitten about it like a whiny little spoiled kid.

“You: We have a problem with culling”
“Anet: No worries, we’re fixing it next month”

And you take this as a negative thing.
Do you have any brain in your head at all?

Do you have any reading comprehension at all?

Where did I say the fact that they are implementing a possible fix was a negative thing?

EnRohbi.2187:

You have no right to insult Anet for your own shortcomings

I love the defenders of a game that doesn’t work as it should.

He has every right to criticize Anet for continually delivering a sub-par experience in WvW. He (as did we all) paid for this game. Just because you aren’t experiencing the problem, or don’t feel it’s unacceptable doesn’t invalidate others experience. There are many, many, many threads where the overwhelming majority of people posting explain how bad it is.

For myself: unplayable in large group battles due to culling and skill lag. Even solo roaming if I run into a large group I generally don’t see them until they are on top of me.

Straegen.2938:

BS. The game is extremely playable and while culling is annoying at times it hardly makes the game unplayable for me.

Fixed that for you.

Lebannen.8325:

Tyaen.5148:

Re-traited to FT/EG last night to test out the changes in WvW. If you are a solo roamer like me I would not recommend it.

Problem 1: You are taking a medium armor, weak traited class and trying to fit into a role that does not suit you. With a weapon kit(s) that are for support (either offense/defense) and expecting to win.

Not the games or developers fault. We as engineer should play with the mindset that is given before us. A Support role in either offense or defense, relying on immunities and exploiting quirks (omnom pie) is the reason classes get nerfed. If you dont believe me, look at what ANET just nerfed.

You are playing a hybrid class. You will never beat the damage of thief, warrior etc nor will you have the support of a guardian. Embrace this and it will be much happier.

Does the Engineer need work, yes. Whining about kit refinement is minor. Everyone and their momma running the 100 nade build bragging about how you can roffelstompLMAOplane everyone then are stupid enough to post videos (100nade/Teldo) is what got this class nerfed…again. It provided documented evidence of something the developers did not want to see happen. Good Job!

If you find something that is working, you dont go brag about it. You shut up and keep it informal. The engineer community has no one to blame but ourselves for this. We deserve it.

Speaking from experience, I have tested internally (and on payroll) for many different MMO’s and companies. I know what are the quickest ways to get classes nerfed which posting videos is the #1 way. I also know what classes developers typically play and are usually the last ones to get nerfed.

Before you go and whine about me. Here are some of the games and companies I have worked on.

Everquest- Sony – Dark Knight and Monk Classes 99-2000

Dark Age of Camelot-Mythic-All classes up to Mauler, was Team Lead for Thane and Blademaster and RvR Testing lead For Midgard and Mordred 2001-2002 and 2003-2004

Shadowbane- Crusader, Thief and Warrior balance issues. Also with Siege fights and defense. late 2002-2003

Lots of other games, but the above is who paid me for my services.

If you want something changed, Anet is one of the few companies that will actually tell you they will listen. Developers have a pretty firm idea on how they want the game to play and interact and they pour hours and hours of time in it to keep it running smooth and sometimes ego’s come into play. If you provide proof, that X is underpowered and they can replicate your test then you might garner attention. However, we must understand that Anet does not have the staffing to do what we need. If they did, they would have to charge 15$ a month to staff a team to handle class balance.

If you feel this is so egregious, then this is how you garner a result. You write them a professional letter explaining your position and you leave. You dont log back in, you dont visit a forum you just disappear.

If you played DAoC. Then you remember a guy by the name of Wyrd on the VN forums that posted a faked log with favoring statistics to get a beserker class nerfed. When it was found out the log was faked, the outcry of getting the class nerfed or major guilds and scores of players were canceling their accounts that Matt Firor (In charge of Elder Scrolls online and several members of Mythic) were forced to go to Jacobs (Mythic CEO) and that was the play that forced his hand. The patch was 1.62.

I wasn’t looking for feedback, just offering my opinion.

I know how to play an engineer in many different specs, and out play any class in WvW 1 on 1.

/moving along nothing to see here