Guild Wars 2

Pyroatheist.9031:

For those of you saying engies can do well with damaging/putting conditions on zergs, you would be correct if not for the effects of retaliation. An engie will kill themselves in just 1 or 2 seconds of throwing grenades. Due to retaliation, engies are 100% useless in zergs. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is.

Yeah, because that’s the only Kit Engineers have.

::rollseyes::

covenn.7165:

For everything above say 10v10 :

Top tier: Necro, Guardian, Warrior, Ele

Middle tier: Mesmer, Thief

Lower tier: Ranger, Engi

The top tier classes I listed are the core for the most successful guilds.

Haters gonna hate :-)

SykkoB.9465:

Noone on sor is going anywhere, if we go down to T2 for afew cause of RNG, we will be right back up ina week or 2 .

SoR isn’t going anywhere for a couple weeks regardless.

Seras.5702:

I love Modified Ammo in SD builds. It’s especially great when you combine it with Sitting Duck (as you have). Net shot and then unloading the SD burst means you’ve got a target with burning (Incendiary Pwd), vuln (Sitting Duck/Goggles), cripple (Duck), immob (Duck), & hopefully bleeding (Sharpshooter). That’s 5 conditions for a total of +10% damage. That’s all damage when weilding a rifle, including your SDs.

I’m going to try this with a P/P HgH build for kicks. I’d like to see how modified ammo and sitting duck work in practical terms in WvW

morrolan.9608:

Jet.4795:

Our SEA has focused SoR for a total of 2 weeks,

This is actually completely false.

You have my favorite forum name. Top 5 Fantasy/Sci Fi characters of all time.

Hvaran.6327:

Tyaen.5148:

Just playing with a build calculator.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQFAUl0pic3zy3F17IyoHdmotZheIh3naJqQ+B-jkxA4OASEQCsIasltioxqtxUxER1CBkbMA-w

u missed 1 thing atleast. Dolyak runes is kitten.

What i already tried best melee builds was with main dmg from FT/EG or BOMBS.

He is specifically asking for a build that includes TK.

I could also see throwing out the Rocket Boots for a Turret instead.

Also, if you don’t like Dolyak Runes then maybe Melandru.

Just playing with a build calculator.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcQQFAUl0pic3zy3F17IyoHdmotZheIh3naJqQ+B-jkxA4OASEQCsIasltioxqtxUxER1CBkbMA-w

I think people may underestimate the effectiveness being able to spam weakness on EG auto attack along with bleed stacking.

If you were willing to give up ToolKit (I’m not) EG can be fairly synergistic with a P/P HGH Condi build.

That was underwhelming.

I would suggest reading these posts and using his suggestions.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Maskaganda-2043/showposts

I’m going to be moving to a new build this week. I’d love to test it 1v1 with you if you are up for it.

Is it safe to assume you plan on being in the back line? The armor/toughness is really low, so if you end up in the middle of the zerg you might melt. I assume speedy kits and invigorating speed to keep the dodges up. Looks interesting, as long as you can stay at range.

One other thing, condition removal is really light.

nice.

Mord.9237:

Tyaen.5148:

Malhavoc Adhamar.3675:

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I agree with all those points.

As a solo roamer much of the time, I run P/P Elixir H, B, Tool Kit, Rocket Boot. Condition Damage HgH Build. Sigil of Corruption, Battle, and I forget what my on crit sigil is (I think Earth).

The main reason of this thread is that, quite frankly, I’m tired of the HGH condition build, sure it’s awesome, sure I can 1vX quite easily but with all of engineers so called “versatility” I should be able to go something else, though everytime I try I always find that nothing is quite as optimal… Where are my options? Where’s the versatility that I mained an engineer for!?

I can’t remember the thread or video, but it was recent. It was a Char Engi roaming with a Mesmer if I recall.

Anyway, I thought his build was pretty impressive. It was a kit build (Bomb, Tool, and EG) with healing turret. I don’t know the traits, but I can’t imagine it would be hard to find a good mix. His survivablility was really impressive and at one point was 1v6. Personally it would probably take me a couple of days to get the proper rotation down, and the blast timing for the water field, but it looked like a ton of fun as well as being very versatile.

Edit: I used to run a P/S FT/EG tank when I started and it worked extremely well also. Once I started solo roaming more I switched to HgH and now my twitch muscles are just used to the style. I am going to start experimenting more with the above build types as I find myself running more with large groups. Water fields are constantly being called for now, and the one thing HgH builds tend to lack is fields and finishers.

Malhavoc Adhamar.3675:

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I agree with all those points.

As a solo roamer much of the time, I run P/P Elixir H, B, Tool Kit, Rocket Boot. Condition Damage HgH Build. Sigil of Corruption, Battle, and I forget what my on crit sigil is (I think Earth).

Decklan.7540:

Also, unlike you, instead of troll posting with the words “not true” over and over I actually provide points as to why p/v/t is bad. Yes you can survive, but that’s all you can do. This isn’t the hunger games.

And yes, compared to Pistol/Shield, Pistol/Pistol is very weak. You are trading out a blast finisher, two CC moves, a block, and a projectile reflect for an aoe burn and a short duration aoe snare/root.

Standard HgH P/P build with Tool Kit. I’m not trolling, I said not true for one simple reason, it’s not true. If you don’t have the skill to play it that’s on you. I have no problems killing any class open field 1v1. I also have the survivability for 1v3 (not that this is the only build that does). I’m also not saying you have to run P/V/T, it’s a suggestion. What I am saying is your analysis of P/V/T is completely false. Maybe you don’t run on a Tier 1 server that requires being able to survive large zerg fights that are extremely drawn out. Maybe you only run solo and you don’t care if you rally large group of enemy downed. I don’t know you or your playstyle. What I do know is you don’t have a clue about how to play in P/V/T gear since you seem to believe that you can’t kill anything in it. Either you’ve never tried, or you have tried and failed.

I’ve run in Clerics, I’ve run in Rabid, I’ve run in most types, and had success in all of them.

I choose to run in P/V/T because I never want to hear “Who rallied that?” in TS.

Sorry my post offended you so much, but it’s not my job to do your research for you.

Decklan.7540:

You really don’t need to go PTV. Better to focus on a style you like. PTV is very broad but you really don’t do anything productive. PTV is decent on other professions, but not engineer.

Not true.

Decklan.7540:

Just don’t under any circumstance go P/T/V. You will be very unhappy and just feel like a giant meat-bag . A healing signet warrior could literally afk at your feet as you struggle to put a dent in him if you gear p/t/v.

Not true.

I run full Invaders and have no problems damaging any class. On the other hand if you are running with a large group and you rally a bunch of downed enemy because you’re in Berserker gear… chances are you’re hurting more than you’re helping.

One more:

Decklan.7540:

P/P in its current state is very weak no matter how tanky you try to make it through boons (you will encounter plenty of boon strippers in wvw).

Not true.

Gmr Leon.1846:

PTV means next to nothing to me (I wasn’t playing as all these new shorthands emerged).

I’m just guessing, but: either Power or Precision and Toughness and Vitality?

Power Toughness Vitality

Voicer.8239:

Tyaen.5148:

Voicer.8239:

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Actually is funny to see all this posts from SoR, you guys are having a blast now that you finally beat BG right? …

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/83

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/79

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/75

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/73

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/71

Do you have any one that show SoR against BG withouth JQ?

SoR can’t control who they are matched with.

Without knowing your build, it’s hard to say.

As far as WvW goes gear up in P/T/V.

Voicer.8239:

…
Actually is funny to see all this posts from SoR, you guys are having a blast now that you finally beat BG right? …

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/83

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/79

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/75

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/73

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/71

Fuzzion.2504:

There is no doubt that JQ was,is and will be the best NA server.

I am sure SoR and BG worked hard to get where they are today, but the matter of fact is, about 1 year ago, all the veterans from most of the top notch PvP and WvWvW/RvR players agreed in private forums that JQ would be their home.

And that lasted how long exactly? Maybe a month.

Do the math. Strongest NA is pretty easy to determine.

Noves.4365:

I think you need to find no an engineer whit +2700 armor, just 1 that knows your atack mechanics, the first rule to take down an elementalist, is dodge his burst and block/interrupt your healing rotation. And this in a s/d build is more easy than in a d/d.

My armor sits at 2560. To fight that build, you need a purpose built Engi. The problem with that is your giving up some versatility. Could I beat him? Sure. Would I run in that spec all the time? No way.

By the way it’s not like he clobbered me, he wore me down. I could have easily escaped a real encounter once I realized I couldn’t win by attrition.

Gee, what could he be waiting for?

Seigfried.5938:

Kiltor.9362:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Starscream.7803:

Pot when BG runs from us, whats left to fight? If you guys would just man up and realise if you die in game you dont die in real life you could actually fight us.

hi Star, there is a difference between running, fighting smart and suicide, we calculate if our position is to our advantage as well as numbers, we dont just jump in whenever we see SOR and IRON. I am sure you know this IRON/SOR or any other server does this. it is not a question of you not die in game or not but the morale of BG people who runs with us, they should have the mind set that the commander is leading them to glory not slaughter.

guess thats the difference between us and you. if we have 20 and see 30-40. we will hit it

Not very smart….

It is when you win most of the time.

He had a good build. The first burst wasn’t a problem. But, he did wear me down. Air Attunement Scepter build I believe. If my understanding is correct, his main attack resets every 5 seconds in that build. So I didn’t have enough healing/invul/block/etc.. resetting fast enough to keep up with the steady damage stream. It can be countered, and we only fought a couple times because it was right before reset. I would probably switch to a couple of protection traits on crit, and put on a shield.

Usually when I run into outlier builds that I’m not specced to kill outright, I’ll just kite into some guards and let them help me.

I would like to 1v1 again sometime when I have a bit more time to dedicate to it.

Edit: One last thought. While it is a super high single target damage build (some people in TS even thought the highest in the game if the build was what they thought). I’d be curious to see how it performs 1v2 or 1v3. I think it might have some problems, but obviously we weren’t testing escapability, so maybe it has some traits that would allow it to bug out .

LetoII.3782:

Tyaen.5148:

Anyone who willingly follows Indo, Pryan, or Roanark has failed the sanity check.

I think Cel should usurp in a bloodless coup and then start leading trains off of cliffs.

Be careful where you follow Cel, she’s playing Aion at the moment :s

Booo!

I should be on later today. I’ll look for your email.

Anyone who willingly follows Indo, Pryan, or Roanark has failed the sanity check.

I think Cel should usurp in a bloodless coup and then start leading trains off of cliffs.

I promise you, I’m experienced, and I don’t think his idea of bunker is correct. I think what he really means is “not a glass cannon”.

I’m on SoR. I’d be happy to 1v1 anyone.

HGH P/P Condi build, no bunkering required.

What exactly is “overtime”? Are some of you getting paid for playing? If so, how can I get in on the scam?

Burl.9567:

Rigel.3092:

I am so looking forward to the next wipe of every IRON GvG that can be found out about……

As for you Shifty, you fail at overtime given how much overtime many of your SoR guilds did put in. Frustrating to still lose, huh? Opps, my bad, waiting for the incoming liez concerning “we do not do overtime….we never get wiped” garbage……=.=

Why are you so angry?

It’s my fault.

Re-roll. Nothing beats an Engi 1v1, not even another Engi.

I hear ya. If I ever get back to primarily running zergs, I’ll switch back to P/S FT/EG. It’s way more synergistic to P/T/V gear anyway. I’d also like to play with Acid Bomb and Rocket Boots together (I’m over here….nope, now I’m over here)

If you are going to be primarily 1v1 and solo roaming, I would highly recommend an HGH P/P build over FT/EG.

I can generally go to 1v3 and cull the players off one at a time, especially if they are randoms. A coordinated 1v3 would be super tough. A coordinated 1v2 is fairly easy as long as you manage your health properly. This also depends on the classes you are fighting. Thieves are the easiest class for an Engi to beat by far.

Edit – If you are built this way you can still contribute to the zerg when necessary by using CC and protecting the back lines from thieves.

You have plenty of ways to maintain permaswiftness without runes. I assume you are just trying to run from place to place. I switch into medkit to run, combine it with elixir B/toss elixir B and pretty easy to maintain perma swiftness. Switch back to Elixir H or Turret when you reach your destination. Why waste traits if you don’t have to?

I’m back.

*flags wave *

Wow, quit playing for a couple weeks and SoR dominates. Guess I’ll stay away.

Maskaganda.2043:

Skitza.4069:

My guess is you never noticed it before because you were too busy doing something more useful than watching your hps bubble while under elixir S lol. This explains the random instant deaths I’ve gotten when hitting this skill, time to swap out my vitality weapons for something less dangerous.

I’d never use elixir S at full hp and thats the only way to see your hp fluctuate, but I should have noticed the corruption stacks. I remember discussing that sometimes kills wouldn’t count but I never associated it with elixir S.

as for the vit drop, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t make a big difference. your total maximum hp drops but nor your current hp. so for example, if you have 16k out of 23k hp and you use elixir S you’ll still have 16k hp.. just a maximum of 21k (assuming 2k from the pistols). while it does carry some issues, I think the main problem comes from condition damage/duration of your still ticking conditions and heal power you’d get from left over healthpacks/superelixir and whatnot.

I’ve noticed it in the past. Unequipping and reequipping your stacking weapon fixes it, but it’s annoying to kill 12 mobs and realize you aren’t getting stacks.

I found a new viable build post patch. It’s called “a Guardian”.

Phineas Poe.3018:

Having a “fully tweaked” Engineer and Guardian, I have to question this.

Question away. That was my experience. And yes, I have 30 in Alchemy.

AphoticEssance.7592:

I played on my beloved Engineer for 5 hours yesterday trying to convince myself that the nerfs were not so bad, only to realize that not only did Anet kill the engineer for me but may have killed the game for me as well.

I am so angry with Anet about the constant nerfing of this class.

Pistol damage is bad now – thanks to the confusion nerf static shot is a joke

Elixer S feels more like a carnival trick – Sure it is a beak stun, but you have no way to remove conditions when it pops. So ultimately it is just a silly animation before death. Was a 3 second getaway that over powered?

I am tired of spending game time trying to gear up for a build only to have it nerfed.

I am so furious at Anet now. Thanks Anet for not only ruining my gaming experience, but the experience of many others who you have nerfed to the ground in WvW.

I did the same. Probably the worst performance I’ve ever had in WvW. I barely won any of my 1v1’s and most weren’t even close, I was getting rolled. Working inside a zerg wasn’t much better. I tried 4 different builds, and none were satisfactory. I have essentially played nothing but my Engi since launch and never had an issue until this patch. The only other character I have is a level 40 Guardian. I logged him on and he had better survivability as an ungeared upleveled character than my fully tweaked Engineer.

Guess I’ll try a couple more things before I retire him, but looks like I’m going to finish leveling the Guardian and making him my main now.

Agree with gimme. Way OP.

That’s still not really true. Each week they would have to keep expanding the margin of victory, while SoR would have to continue losing points at an accelerated rate. It’s possible, but not likely. Generally for volatility in this system you need something big to happen (see DB getting a part of [EMP]).

I retract my statement if by a few weeks you actually mean several weeks.

Zikory.6871:

Fixeon.5076:

Tyaen.5148:

People still don’t understand the ranking system.

He has also clearly been on JQ too long to understand the huge coverage jump that is T2 to T1. In our current bloated T1 if any server from T1 was to somehow get dropped down into t2, they would blow t2 out of the water and be back in t1 the next week.

The only way a T1 server would get dropped out of T1 for good would be if they imploded.

I don’t know about that, TC is looking pretty good this week. If they keep it up and either BG or SoR slack off enough they could jump up for a week. But considering what SoR or BG would do in T2 I don’t think it would last long.

I stand by my original statement.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

I must be the best GW2 WvW player in the world. I never have issues with confusion.

uberkingkong.8041:

Kript.3291:

wystan.1908:

Well, Waha is quit, no more Waha’s 80 zerg

Kiltor.9362:

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

JQ queue’s up all 4 maps during SEA.

This is from Waha himself because he isn’t able to jump FOO around. He is committed to one BL.

You have talked to WaHa? Okay sure…

I have been on many many many times SEA and there are only queues on whichever map FOO decides to hop to. Not everyone gets in when they hop because they fill up the queue really fast.

Even then, it’s 5 minutes tops.

Stick to talking about things on your own server. You’d think you’d just transfer to JQ and get it over with you talk about us so much.

i agree, only reason waha says there is ques in all 4 maps is cause he cant take his 80 man to other maps cause more than often there is 25+ jq in those maps already/

if what you said is true, JQ won’t be able to compete with other T1 servers unless it suddenly have a massive NA guild to join them.

i really hope what you said is just a rumor.

Nope its not a rumor.

But what is true is that if BG and SoR truly want to stay in T1 servers, they will need a massive SEA guild to join them.

EMP left because they couldn’t field all there members durning NA primetime, its not gonna affect anything because que’s are still full durning NA primetime.

Now if FOO left, there wouldn’t be any SEA except for Ge.

And what I keep hearing is BG cant handle JQ SEA time, SoR cant handle JQ SEA time. FOO is too strong for you. BG and SoR better start recruiting some SEA guilds if they want to stay in T1.

People still don’t understand the ranking system.

Score update brought to you by…. the queue

Benjamin.7893:

Unfortunately I’m still of the opinion that engineer doesn’t work in WvW

This is an issue with your play style, not the engineer class.