Guild Wars 2

DevilLordLaser.8619:

Tyaen.5148:

1/3.

And frankly, PvE needed the least help.

So you’re completely okay with PvE Engineers not getting an elite specialization?

I get it, PvP guys are pretty well known for being…well, things ArenaNet doesn’t want me calling my fellow players, but c’mon, man. C’mon. Nobody’s even really talking about changing this ‘extremely satisfying’ mechanic, just adding to it such that it’s not a nonfactor in what is inargueably the most densely populated and played leg of the game. And yet your response is basically “Cry some more. You guys don’t need anything else.”

Given that sPvP has utterly dominated game balancing passes since the game’s inception, methinks maybe – maybe - you could show a bit more empathy and solidarity with your fellow players, regardless of game mode. After all, I haven’t tromped in here after every balance pass going “WHERE’S THE FIXES FOR *” on the PvE side, hm?

First, yes I’m fine with the state of Engineer in PvE. When Anet forces me into that game mode, which is too often, I’ve never felt the class was lacking.

Second, I’m not an sPvP player, I primarily WvW. They are completely separate game modes (that is not an opinion, but a statement of fact). If you believe differently don’t reply. This Elite adds something that this class has lacked in WvW and sorely needs. Pending actually seeing it in action, iI am very excited.

Jerus.4350:

Tyaen.5148:

Bindaeyen.9613:

Arantheal.7396:

Bindaeyen.9613:

Arantheal.7396:

Calcifire.1864:

as someone who doesn’t PvP or WvW, I’m underwhelmed as hell.

the big profession mechanic is utterly useless in PvE unless there is someone dying nearby, and the elite is purely a PvP ability considering how insanely situational stealth is in PvE for non-thieves.

consider that for the elite mechanic revenants get a new legend, necros get a new death shroud, mesmers get to save-scum, the ability to rez/finish someone at range is so situational outside of PvP that unless HoT adds a LOT of finishable enemies like the toxic alliance, it may as well not exist.

We have no idea on the hammer cd’s & power-scaling so you may want to wait before calling it useless.
Also, do you remember the toxic alliance? I wouldn’t be surprised if you meet a lot of mordrem in the future that need to be stomped

They’re talking about the stealth elite and the function gyro being near useless, not the entire spec. I’m not sure about the elite, but the gyro is certainly near pointless in PvE from what we understand of it. It makes almost zero difference in open world.

Not to mention that they MENTIONED Toxic Alliance in their post. Assuming there’ll be a bunch of mobs to finish off is wishful thinking at best considering they seem to have ran away from that mechanic in PvE. Was there even any in the beta yet? Maybe that mounted boss from the story…? I don’t recall running into a single one.

It’s a heavily PvP skewed mechanic change, moreso than any other class’ and that’s extremely disappointing.

Opinions.
I for example find it extremely satisfying.

No, not opinions. In half of the game it’s use is minimal.

1/3.

And frankly, PvE needed the least help.

Why do people feel it’s reasonable to split the two PVP gamemodes but not for PVE? WvW and sPVP are both PVP, and they’re as similar/dissimilar as Dungeon/Fractal/Open World

No they aren’t. They use different rule sets.

Bindaeyen.9613:

Arantheal.7396:

Bindaeyen.9613:

Arantheal.7396:

Calcifire.1864:

as someone who doesn’t PvP or WvW, I’m underwhelmed as hell.

the big profession mechanic is utterly useless in PvE unless there is someone dying nearby, and the elite is purely a PvP ability considering how insanely situational stealth is in PvE for non-thieves.

consider that for the elite mechanic revenants get a new legend, necros get a new death shroud, mesmers get to save-scum, the ability to rez/finish someone at range is so situational outside of PvP that unless HoT adds a LOT of finishable enemies like the toxic alliance, it may as well not exist.

We have no idea on the hammer cd’s & power-scaling so you may want to wait before calling it useless.
Also, do you remember the toxic alliance? I wouldn’t be surprised if you meet a lot of mordrem in the future that need to be stomped

They’re talking about the stealth elite and the function gyro being near useless, not the entire spec. I’m not sure about the elite, but the gyro is certainly near pointless in PvE from what we understand of it. It makes almost zero difference in open world.

Not to mention that they MENTIONED Toxic Alliance in their post. Assuming there’ll be a bunch of mobs to finish off is wishful thinking at best considering they seem to have ran away from that mechanic in PvE. Was there even any in the beta yet? Maybe that mounted boss from the story…? I don’t recall running into a single one.

It’s a heavily PvP skewed mechanic change, moreso than any other class’ and that’s extremely disappointing.

Opinions.
I for example find it extremely satisfying.

No, not opinions. In half of the game it’s use is minimal.

1/3.

And frankly, PvE needed the least help.

Arantheal.7396:

Bindaeyen.9613:

Arantheal.7396:

Calcifire.1864:

as someone who doesn’t PvP or WvW, I’m underwhelmed as hell.

the big profession mechanic is utterly useless in PvE unless there is someone dying nearby, and the elite is purely a PvP ability considering how insanely situational stealth is in PvE for non-thieves.

consider that for the elite mechanic revenants get a new legend, necros get a new death shroud, mesmers get to save-scum, the ability to rez/finish someone at range is so situational outside of PvP that unless HoT adds a LOT of finishable enemies like the toxic alliance, it may as well not exist.

We have no idea on the hammer cd’s & power-scaling so you may want to wait before calling it useless.
Also, do you remember the toxic alliance? I wouldn’t be surprised if you meet a lot of mordrem in the future that need to be stomped

They’re talking about the stealth elite and the function gyro being near useless, not the entire spec. I’m not sure about the elite, but the gyro is certainly near pointless in PvE from what we understand of it. It makes almost zero difference in open world.

Not to mention that they MENTIONED Toxic Alliance in their post. Assuming there’ll be a bunch of mobs to finish off is wishful thinking at best considering they seem to have ran away from that mechanic in PvE. Was there even any in the beta yet? Maybe that mounted boss from the story…? I don’t recall running into a single one.

It’s a heavily PvP skewed mechanic change, moreso than any other class’ and that’s extremely disappointing.

Opinions.
I for example find it extremely satisfying.

As do I.

I’m making mine today.

Vayne.8563:

Donari.5237:

I hope they do so soon. People who primarily WvW don’t know what they need to do in advance to stock up on points, assuming they even can do so without resorting to Hero Challenges. Meanwhile we PvE’ers can run around at our leisure well in advance.

If I was a WvW guy, I’d go out and get every hero point in the game. It really isn’t that time consuming, just do the hero points on one map a day. Yeah it’s probably not massively exciting, but it’s no great hardship either. Make it a guild event, or something.

I WvW almost exclusively. When I leveled my Mesmer that was pretty much the approach I took. Do the maps for the skill points, get enough XP to level to 80 then WvW. I would never bring an up-level into WvW though.

Malpractice.7850:

Pride.1734:

Reflects kill 95% of our usefulness.

Don’t think there is any guild that would rather have an engi.
Well there is a small niche of focus party support.

Wrong. I’m part of a huge guild, that does T1 wvw, and they love my engi.
“Reflects kill 95% of our usefulness” —Wrong.
1) Drop elixir 5 or mortar 4 at your feet, and start cleansing conditions with mortar.
2) Drop a water, blast it 2×. Or
3)Have someone drop firefield to stack might for your raid. Or give your raid aoe retal.
4) Pull someone. Kill that someone
5) Stomp someone with elixir S
6) Create your own reflects

I almost strictly run engi in wvw, sometimes necro, and my guild loves what I do. Pulls/lockdowns very useful.

This.

Creative thinking is what makes good guilds/leaders. Meta is a crutch.

When you take WvW down for a patch, please fix the bug where workers stop building upgrades after the patch comes up.

Sincerely,

A customer tired of wasting gold on these silly bugs.

WvW? I run full Dire.

Chris Barrett.3280:

We’re aware of and investigating the return of an old issue with siege bundles disappearing while being carried. Thanks for the details provided on where and how this has been encountered.

Mine occurred at the SW corner of SM at approximately 10 PM MST

Guilds just took on a significantly larger role. I wonder what this means for the little guy like me?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-versus-world-guild-objective-claiming-deep-dive/

Edit: I realize this is in concept old news, but the details are pretty significant.

I can confirm this happened to me last night with a guild catapult. Also posted this to the dev thread on the change made regarding F2P.

Mocambo.8462:

Please have a look at the latest patch, I’m losing blueprints before deploying them in the place, ex: use it and equip in your hand than move around a bit, just few steps.

I lost some superior treb and a superior ram, didnt happen with normal rams, normal acs, superior acs.

PS: for Iost I mean they re not in the inventory, they’re not on the ground, they re just lost.(disappeared)

This happened to me last night with a guild catapult.

Rampage.7145:

Fight comunity avoid siege as much as posible like, we don’t build ACs unless necesary; extremly outnumbered defense of an upgraded structure for example, other than that we prefer to fight straight up, siege is AIDS. Getting shot by cannons or ACs while trying to fight an enemy zerg is what we try avoid at all costs. No respectable guild or commader will ever build siege in order to win a fight. Most people/guilds/commanders in T3 thinks the same way, there are a couple siege monkeys on SBI but that is to be expected from not fight oriented pugs and stuff.

lawl.

Maguuma doesn’t hide behind their tower walls with siege even when they outnumber the opponent.

:rollseyes:

bob.8632:

Rink.6108:

and again, same place, same way of capturing sm by jumping that wall. Again maguuma.
Nobody pulled them into inner, no mesmer portal involved.

If it is a known bug, it should be fixed.

You sure do stand in SM a lot friend.

You sure do make a lot of irrelevant comments pal.

TheGrimm.5624:

Always love those arguments:

PvEr – I am here to kill things
WvWer – I am here to take and kill things, killing NPCs is not killing things
GvGer – Why are you taking things, just kill players
PvPer (Conquest)- Why aren’t you peeps queued up in ranked already? That’s not skill you had better gear, get to fighting! Oh and cap home already they are ticking
PvPer (Deathmatch) – orly? What exactly do you all think you are doing again?
Forum Warrior – You are all wrong because I can type it and say so! So you are all deadz!

Evil trend. I do hope that guild halls do create a large enough area for the GvG people to have fun in but we all do find fun in different spots. We can also hope that they bring back a mix of PPT and PPK. Either way good hunting!

We did the math once upon a time, and I assume it’s still the same. You can influence the PPT far more drastically by stomping than you can by owning points if you have enough fights. This was back on my SoR days when fights were plentiful.

Edit – This of course was after the introduction of Bloodlust. It also introduced a fun mechanic for those of us who preferred roaming. Go control the middle, and let the main group stomp stomp stomp.

Jay.7546:

Natto.5819:

Tyaen.5148:

If you mean close in PPT, sure.

That’s only because Maguuma doesn’t play for points. If we did, we would be fighting in Tier 1. We are humble players that pay with honor. If we don’t control ourself and hold back, all servers would cry at our power level.

Isn’t WvW about PPT? How do you tell people not in your guild to hold off? Do you pull punches and not run all out when fighting? Not sure how all that works. When I’m on I play to win. I play to cap and back cap and if I see another server I fight them but I don’t do it at the cost of our teams PPT. I don’t spawn camp, drop siege on dead soldiers, laugh, emote whatever, nor do I run away from a fight. But PPT is what its all about and fights while achieving it. No?

No. That might be what it’s about for you. For many of us it’s about fights. I have never been part of a server (SBI) that so often actively avoids fights to backcap towers and camps.

“Oh hey, 25 red names at WC”
“Great, let’s go take the other tower they just capped back.”

In my opinion if all you want to do is PvD for PPT you might as well just go PvE.

If you mean close in PPT, sure.

coglin.1867:

They are not improving the game mode?

Adding new maps isn’t an improvement?

New map mechanics are not an improvement?

New weapons and ES will not improve the game mode for you?

The new maps alone are the largest possible improvement to WvW. Who are you trying to lie to when you imply they are not making improvements?

Correct. Those are not improvements to the game mode.

As I see it the biggest problem is ANet doesn’t have a reason to improve this game mode because there is no alternative/competition. Until there is a game that offers a legitimate alternative then the choices are to play what ANet offers, or don’t play.

Fortunately there are at least 2 upcoming game releases that will focus specifically and almost exclusively on RvR. Once that happens then ANet will either address the game mode short-comings or lose some of their player base. That may be acceptable to them, who knows?

bob.8632:

SM is made to flip

Human beings are made to die. Doesn’t make murder acceptable.

Here is the build I use. I exclusively WvW. My play style is pretty all over, I do a lot of roaming/small man, but I do like zerg busting/zerg diving. When at the front of a zerg I’ll usually pop X and dive right in (I may come out of tornado early) to disrupt as much as possible. It’s a perplexity build so it’s all about getting off as many interrupts as possible. Gear shield, Magnetic Inversion and Static Shield are important as well both for mitigating as well as interupts. Rocket boots for mobility and disengaging. Elixir C for condition bombs. When disengaging to heal, I’ll usually then try and snipe the commander with a pull. I find it a lot of fun, and super survivable.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqelcThCsYJXwvLQ+FLTGU42TWYFfWBCw46bfEA-TFBZwAFV/R++DwUCCQ5XAAEAm5MP6RP6RLFggKjA-w

Raven.9603:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Wow ): No wonder roaming is dying alright… So many bads out there calling it quits when the going gets a little rough. Can’t insta-gib people so “nah, this game’s boring now. Things are putting up a fight.”

Go somewhere else then.

LOL. You use sPvP as an example of how condis arent OP, and when someone points “exactly, because in sPvP theres no Dire, No Food, No Perplexity” you resort to calling them bads. Way to beat people down just for disagreeing with you.

Maybe Dire never made it to sPvP because it failed to be balanced when implemented on the poor guinea pig that is WvW?

You forgot this is the Internet. Arguing logically isn’t allowed.

Cribbage.2056:

I have never seen a build where I would rather have Elixir H than either healing kit or healing turret, and yours are no exception.

Then you’ve never played an HgH build.

Great analogy.

Would you agree to pay a Mobile provider if their ToS said they could censor your calls? No. Said company would never have a chance to go out of business as they wouldn’t have a business in the first place.

There are plenty of other places you can have a community discussion besides the “official” forums (Guru, Reddit). Or, maybe you actually bought the game so you could post on the official forums.

Nullibicity.9208:

This is what it looked like before the rush.

This failed?

Boggles the mind.

ReverendChan.8467:

CrimsonProject.7980:

Okay, so let me get this straight. RET is a GvG focused guild and because they field 7-10 or whatever a night, their members including the 2 and 3 in those screenshots are never allowed to run with FEAR or with a group of server mates even when they’re not raiding, or if they happened to be split from their RET group? If a single RET tag is found in any zerg regardless of reason that suddenly invalidates what they strive for and do for their official raids? If a single one of their members happen to be running back to their 5-7 or w/e man group but ends up in a ball of other SoR players on his or her way there that totally invalidates what RET is doing as a guild?

GG. Nitpicking if I ever saw any. Lord help us all if suddenly one FEAR tag shows up in the middle of a Choo raid. LOOK, LOOK, CHOO BLOBBING WITH FEAR. SEE, I SEE ONE FEAR TAG THAR.

Yea, god forbid they get caught running they’re normal guild raid with enough militia in tow to get them a 30 man zerg with FEAR hand holding them and someone posts an SS that points at inconsistencies in their BS statements for the past two nights in a row. The funniest part is outside of the one wipe they got with said zerg when FEAR was getting focused they spent most of the night running away after their zerg was getting worked over by 15 people. GG (Insert obligatory “oh noez u haz KnT here that is why we lost” as a follow up.)

Shouldn’t expect anything different from SoR after seasons that we hadn’t already seen during seasons. Dat WvW pride when losing Q.Q…. Excuses must be made!

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

Nothing to see here, move along.

ReverendChan.8467:

Celsith.2753:

ReverendChan.8467:

No. We were in our own guild channel with no pugs. There was an uplevel following us that i asked to leave us alone and an untagged necro doing a great job of following despite no voice comms. If you continue hallucinating 30+ people in place of 7-9 i suggest you consult a doctor.

I had a nice chat with one of the Apex guys that night and I really dont understand why this is all such a big deal?

So the SS is a right out lie then as it was obviously photoshopped to make RET look bad? I see… makes perfect sense to me and I need a doctorz. :/

What Screen Shot are you referring to? The one on page 2 showing zero [RET] tags, or the one on page 3 showing 3 [RET] tags. Your contextalizing and reading comprehension skills are amazing (said in the voice of Huell Howser).

ReverendChan.8467:

@AvengerCap.7983

I don’t feel his response was backhanded towards RET more directed at the fact FEAR gets involved in the fights when APeX engaged the zerg (forces of SoR) your group was a part of. That is why I raised defense so maybe it is a difference in your interpretation of the statement and mine as to me it seems like you are taking it as implication not at face value what it reads. Feels more like a call out on FEAR, hence my “to be fair” statement towards your guy that made the comment, in a post that I made which was fairly non-aggressive towards RET as well. Didn’t know soon as I made the response I would be accused of counting grievances by your members or that I would be taken as a part of APeX and GvG charrenges would be issued. :/

The “forces of SoR” including RET (I feel we are splitting hairs at this point so let’s call it what it was a 30+ man X zerg if you even want so we can leave your tag out of it.) and FEAR’s group were the only two forces on the map from SoR that stayed intrinsically close to each other throughout the night so there was never really a point that I saw where APeX was directly involved with either group without the other jumping in.

While what happened on the night may not be a typical situation for your guild to be a part of that is what happened. I don’t feel you are being attacking of me just presenting what the premise is of your guild typically which differs on what everyone was involved in at the time. APeX was running around 15-20, FEAR was running around 20 or so, you guys were lumped in with a 30+ zerg from SoR. Very simple numbers fairly simple context fun fights were had either way.

I wouldn’t take the minor statements that were made more than face value and let it ruin the fun that was haz’d.

@Tyaen

Since we’re being troll that is why the guy’s SS from last night just highlighted similar right? It is funny I’m talking about what happened Sunday night that SS is from Monday night… herm…

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

And that’s why you’re wrong. Your context is completely off in regards to where the conversation about [RET] and our numbers began.

The relevant fact is we run ~10 at a given time, and max out at 18.

AvengerCap.7983:

ReverendChan.8467:

I’ve only ran with APeX that one night so far so I don’t really know what typically goes on just what I saw so I posted what I saw. I haz no issues with you guys doing what you want and pretty sure I posted was fun fights for the most part.

I just didn’t understand the accusations flying at APeX of being “troll” nor the number deductions. The context I set originally was we engaged FEAR (whom fielded slightly similar numbers if not a tad more) had them just about wrapped up in camp then “X” zerg shows with most of the tags in it that stood out being “RET” and even clarified it with stating it was a hybrid zerg mix of other tags with you (my guess is militia) that made a zerg of 30+. That being said if you are running 5-10 and militia in tow does it stand you had about 30+ and the context I said was correct? I believe so and no where did I lace it with accusations of your guild being troll or “bad” at GvG yata yata. It was the account of what happened to demonstrate the disparity APeX was fighting because it wasn’t a set group that was smaller than what was fielded by APeX even with us 3 yumy hazing funz with themz.

You add both groups together then at that point you talking about odds even more so out of their favor.

I gave an unbiased context on what was witnessed since I was the last one to die in the wipe based on my spec. I am not affiliated with APeX outside of being fwendz with some of their players from sPvP landz.

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

Whoever called APEX {…snip…} are flaws in your argument(s).

~Bestet

I’ll put it another way Best. He’s wrong.

SgtJanitor.3164:

I don’t get it. RET is a GvG guild but every time we go to engage with equal numbers, FEAR comes rolling in with 30… Why?

Lol

Are you trolling? You’re trolling, I can tell.

Polismassa.6740:

Tyaen.5148:

JQ getting soft it took a map zerg to defend against 5.

Granted 5 [RET] is worth 25 JQ.

so let me get this straight, you were on EB in T1 right next to stonemist and you encountered a zerg (imagine that!), then, when they killed you, you went to forums to QQ about it and even managed to throw in some chest thumping… wow.

Who’s QQing? I’m flattered.

JQ getting soft it took a map zerg to defend against 5.

Granted 5 [RET] is worth 25 JQ.

JQ you are such brave soldiers.

Nice work tonight [STUN]. A few shots.

I think BG is upset.

Just showing the quality of [ZDs] that’s all.

You’re the ones who keep reporting it. Guess you just don’t want people to know.

Bash.7291:

HolyMolla.6582:

So any guilds that thinking transfer out of SOR,
please consider TC, SOS and MAG or FA.
They have good community.

I would normally suggest TC so we could at least have another T1 server to go against, but then again I would rather the T1 threads not keep the SoR trolls…

And you would call that what? Not trolling?

“Hello pot? This is kettle.”

Kreen.3925:

Cliques.3947:

Have you ever had a whole map zerg turn and chase just you half way across the map?

yes

Pretty much everyone wearing a [TW] tag has :-)

Liquid.9672:

Seigfried.5938:

This is very shameful behavior, SoR. The minute we get a guild, you guys tank the score to attract guilds. It is just not possible otherwise to hit 20 PPT.

Enough with this kind of stuff please guys. Clearly this is not what’s happening this week. It’s a morale/desire issue, plain and simple. We’ve all experienced it.

No, he’s right. I’m ashamed. This is a game after all.

TheJewpacabro.2907:

Tyaen.5148:

Nice fights tonight in SoR BL. Some great hits. Thanks EE and PLX for an interesting evening.

thanks for the shout out, care to explain your screenshot, I don’t get it.

It’s a picture.

Nice fights tonight in SoR BL. Some great hits. Thanks EE and PLX for an interesting evening.

Strong work today on SoR BL all. Hills defense has been fun.

Wait do you mean Jump Puzzle or Jewish Princess. I wouldn’t mind being in the latter.

Liquid.9672:

gebrechen.5643:

The question is: Why the hell is anyone in a JP ever?

Fixed that for you.

Do the ruins count as a JP?

You forgot a point.

Beyonce.3207:

“You see when anyone posts anything like this it just looks…..well, silly frankly. We as individuals may not agree or participate in this stuff but it happens – on every server. I stood in Bay this afternoon watching a BG thief and mesmer hacker taking seige out from under the ground. All servers have had 2v1’s this week. I don’t like it and don’t join in but calling the “why us” card just doesn’t wash.”

As I said, I don’t normally post. I’ve seen 2-timing happen since day one, and this is a lot too consistent. We have the best fighting guilds that take out huge zergs from BG and SOR on open field with far less people. Think what you like.

You are delusional. Every server dealt with the same issues.

Burl.9567:

The tears in this thread made it all worth it in the end.

Avster.1935:

Tyaen.5148:

Avster.1935:

… you are not truly seeing our position. …

I disagree. I think that’s exactly what we are seeing.

IIRC the last BG/SoR/JQ matchup before Season 1 began, JQ came first with a 15k PPT lead from SoR who was second. But of course you guys weren’t even trying that hard right?

Not at all. I’m not sure if we’ll beat you or not. I think it will be close. Different mechanics now though. stomps count (a lot).

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Tyaen.5148:

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Tyaen.5148:

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Inserted Facts: SoR realized JQ is vastly superior to them …

Stopped reading your inane wall of text right there as I couldn’t stop laughing.

Truth hurts sometimes, even if it’s a stomach pain from laughing

Inserts truth. http://mos.millenium.org/na

A mighty fine product of World + World vs World,
Here, lemme show you how a win should look
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/111

And just cus it’s funny:
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/medals

Come on SoR, at least look like your a T1 server. TC RPers might just kick you out of T1 one day….

Spoken like a true player new to WvW and it’s history.