Easy solution: Remove ICD of all passive “when you are CC’ed” autoprocs …
I really dislike the huge nerf to energy sigil. It is a nerf to active defense, while cc spam and unavoidable procs remain and dmg is even buffed. Which makes passive sustain/defense even more important …
It should have been the other way arround.
-Remorseless currently gives 1 attack 25% bonus dmg, which is a bad design because most of ranger’s damage is done via fast multi hitting attacks and the way it is now clashes with moment of clarity. Change it so that it gives x% more damage for a few seconds (lets say 4) when you gain fury. Or maybe gain x about of power for a few sec after gaining fury (a ranger version of reveled training).
MoC and Remorseless does not “clash” Those two traits work very well together. Just because remorseless ranger isn’t the strongest build right now, it is not necessary to completely remove this kind of playstyle (GS burst).
You are talking as if memser has no defense besides blocks. No evades, stealth, blinds, invuln, whatever, … right?
Scrapper, Reaper, DH and even Warrior have decent cleave dmg (and CC too).
Actually i think, every class has better cleave dmg than ranger.
Edit: Dmg is not only useful to keep the downed down, but to put pressure on the ressing players and eventually kill them too. Poison and slow is great to lower the res speed, but without additional dmg it won’t do much.
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There is counterplay to daze (outside of avoiding it). Stunbreaks and Stability says hi …
how can you consider druids having bad cleave options?
1) aoe poisn with glyph
2) aoe daze with glyph
3)aoe knockback with glyph
4) aoe daze with avatar
4) aoe slow with avatarapart from a mesmer-resistence-rezz ,the slow + cc is probably the best cleave you can have.
I would say that revenant is the only class that has better cleave opportunities thanks to it’s pure dmg output.
CC is useless against stab/invuln. Poison alone won’t stop somebody from ressing, if there is not enough damage. And cleave damage is, what ranger/druid lacks.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say with the first point. Yes, a condi burst is essentially the same as a power burst. Both rely on the surprise factor to deal a ton of damage. So?
So both = active. Just what i wanted to say.
Secondly, whether your build has mobility or not is irrelevant. You can rotate nonetheless. Moreover, this game isn’t balanced around 1v1. Would you send someone to 1v1 a shoutbow war or d/d cele ele pre-nerf and pre-HoT? No. Case in point.
1vs1 is part of PvP and shouldn’t be ignored completely. And nobody is saying, DS ele shouldn’t be still strong against condi builds. Just that 100% immunity against a certain type of dmg is a bad mechanic.
Third point, false again. Condi can be built as burst or sustained like power. Saying condi can be negated by cleanse is like saying power damage can be negated by active defenses. E.g. someone saw your condi burst coming and cleanses right after you apply condi = you failed at bursting. Similarly, someone sees your power burst and dodges = you failed at bursting as well. How is this relevant to toughness though? Fact remains that power damage is easily countered by toughness.
Active defense/dodging works against condi application too. Cleanses don’t work against power. Don’t compare two completely different things. Thoughness is an additional defense against direct dmg. Cleanses are an additional defense against condis. They work differently and have both different advantages and disadvantages.
And yes, condibuilds can be “bursty”, but they still can’t 100 -> 0 other players as fast as some power builds. (theoretically – in practice, both power and condi “oneshot” builds are not viable). Generally condis (= dmg over time) kill slower.
There is still no reason to not give a class 100% immunity against power above 90% health, right?
What? You’re kidding right? If I have a toughness amulet on, it will definitely take more power damage (output) to kill me as compared to condition damage.
If you use cleanses, it will take way more condi dmg, regardless of stats …
False. You apply condis and you watch them tick and kill. On the other hand, you have to apply power damage constantly to kill someone.
Condis need more time for their full effect, but this does not mean, they don’t have to be applied constantly. Especially when they often get cleansed. If i condibomb somebody and then just watch till he dies 10s later, it is basically the same as killing somebody with power burst in 1-2 seconds. Only difference: I don’t have to wait 10s for the stomp …
1. You can play around diamond skin even if you are a pure condi build by rotating. (Would you put a thief vs a guardian 1v1 pre-HoT? My point exactly. You have counters? Deal with it.)
Thief could easily rotate because of mobility. Most condi builds aren’t that fast. And guards did not counter a whole playstyle just with a single passive trait. DS means, that NO single condi build can do anything. Not only one class …
2. Condition damage does not have a counter stat like power does (toughness).
Power dmg can’t be negated after getting hit by it. Condis can …
And condis need more time to kill, which gives the opponent more time to react (cleanse, heal, counter pressure, calling friends for help, …)
3. Condition damage does not have a widely applicable and available counter boon (protection). Resistance is only available to certain classes and have low uptime as compared to protection.
Resistance = 100% immunity. Protection = 33% reduction. Big difference.
Btw i think, there is too much protection in the game currently. One reason, why most powerbased dps builds are not viable currently …
4. Power based builds require 3 stats to truly perform (power precision ferocity) while condition based builds only need one (condition damage) as condition damage hurts even without being able to crit.
Slower killspeed -> more time for counter pressure -> more defense needed to survive long enough, so the condis can do their work.
Using skills, which apply condis is not more passive than using skills which deal mainly direct dmg. And the majority of condis are still applied by active skill use.
Edit: You can not “play” arround DS, you can only build arround it (not running pure condi builds). For those who say DS is fine: would be a trait, which gives 100% immunity to direct dmg above 90% health fine? On a class with strong condi remove and sustain? Let’s say, ranger’s Bark Skin gives now 100% reduction instead of 33%. Would be totally balanced, right? Because you don’t have to run pure power builds …
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The DPS is pretty nice. Not anywhere near high but still has a powerful spike.
It’s hard to demonstrate by words. You’d actually have to see for yourself.
I use bristelback and smokescale myself, so yea, i’m familiar with their dmg.
It just bothers me, that those two pets seem mandatory for pretty much every somewhat viable ranger build. Which makes all those builds feel too similar, even with different traits and skills. In the end it just comes down to “pack enough survability to be able to stay on point against meta builds and let those pets do the rest”. Things like more poison, CC, might stacking, whatever else a special build might offer, seem to be only minor differences, which barely affect the gameplay.
I guess, this build – like most druid builds – relies on the pets to actually kill the opponent? Because i doubt, those few bleeding and poison stacks hurt that much (dmg wise).
Maybe it would work, if you could always loose pips (including loosing divisions), so at some point divisions could represent MMR. Well, at least roughly. But currently everyone is able to get at least to ruby, if he just plays enough. And then some ppl would be stuck there, supposed to win against better opponents (because they might have lower divisions), unable to progress and unable to go down to lower divisions. Could lead to very frustrating situations.
And your system would still favour premades, who can take low divison players to lower their predicted winchance for better pip gain (doesn’t even have to be intentionally).
As long divisions don’t tell much about how good a player is, they shouldn’t matter at all. For both, matchmaking and outcome prediction.
Low division players with high MMR shouldn’t be considered similar or even weaker than mediocre player in higher divisions. And players of similar MMR should get matched with and against each other regardless of their divisions.
CC does not stack already. No need to change this. Just reduce CC spam. And stab spam of some classes. And everything else …
In the current state of the game smokescale and bristelback are ok, but if anet starts to nerf all this powercreep, those pets would need adjustment too.
And devourers definitely deserve improvements.
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Wrong. MoC does affect fear and it does affect the CC from the boar’s items. The only thing it doesn’t affect are the tooltips of those skills, but the actual duration of the CC is doubled (same with Technobabbel).
This is not a bug. Hard CC effects were always overriding each other. Don’t mindlessly spam CC and you are fine.
With MoC it’s 6 s fear in melee range and even more if you have some extra condi duration (theoretically up to 12 seconds).
As long divisions are not based on MMR, they shouldn’t be considered by the match making system at all. The current system is just plain stupid. It does nothing but dividing an already small playerbase even further for no reason, making the game basically unplayable for some players, unless the manipulate the system.
As much i dislike expoiting, i can’t blame those players, because the system is so broken.
Base critdmg is 150%. So even with 0 ferocity critical hits deal 50% more dmg than normal hits.
Yes, that’s what the word “often” means. Not necessarily, but many times things that score points also help wins. Can you find situations where scoring personal points didn’t contribute to the win? Absolutely, but they’re not frequent. People don’t get top score by double-capping points the entire match. Even piling on to a guaranteed kill just for personal score isn’t always a bad thing as I’ve seen “guaranteed kills” get reversed because someone was able to rez them in some way.
Double capping is not that often, yes, but overcommitting to a kill or loosing caps, because people prefer decapping over defending, is very common. Maybe not so much at top-tier level, but definitely at low and mid MMR areas. Where most player, who think personal score is meaningful, are located.
[…]BUT things that contribute to personal score often do contribute to winning the match.
Not necessarily. Tagging an almost downed/dead player will give you points for “kills” even if it was completely needlessly. Capping a point will increase your score, even if somebody else is already capping. Decapping isn’t always contributing to the win, if you loose your own point in return. And so on …
Things that increase the personal score CAN contribute to winning or they can loose you the match. It is completely situational and the score doesn’t reflect this.
Maybe the target is out of range? GftE has a very small range (240, same as taunt). If the taunt hits, the blind should hit too. Taunt causes the target to attack, so the blind could be removed immediately.
But there just are not melee classes that can justify bringing their damage, they just dont have enough of it.
Ele and Mesmers are only half of the PvP meta and they are used for support/bunkering and not for their dmg. Revenant and Scrapper are meta too, actually more dps focused than ele and mesmers and they are melee/mid range oriented.
It would solve nothing. It would just remove OS. Adding something else in PvP would do nothing for people, who want to duel in WvW. And they are still there, even if most of those fights take place in EB. Sometimes there is still a reason to go to OS.
Adding a dueling place in HotM which can be used during queues is a great idea. But it should be completely independent from OS. Because there are some fundamental differences between PvP and WvW.
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Two-Handed Training doesn’t affect bows, why should it be different for staffs? I just don’t understand it. It is a GS and spear trait, nothing else.
Staff has its own trait, in a traitline where it belongs (you can’t use staffs without druid anyways). It doesn’t need two different traits which do the same (reducing cd) and you shouldn’t be forced into two different traitlines to get the best out of a single weapon.
1. Bad use of a pet doesn’t make the pet itself bad (you can always cancel bristleback’s F2 if neccessary).
2. You can control the smokefield. If it accidentially interferes with other fields, it is player failure and has nothing to do with the pet being bad.
3. Wyverns are even easier to counter than those two pets, even if players are less familiar with them. Just move arround and you can ignore them 99% of the time.
4. If you try hard enough you can find niche uses for everything. So the game is perfectly fine and balanced and nothing has to be changed, right?
Class stacking is a problem because the game is unbalanced. Removing class stacking from tournaments would cover the real problems and make the game look more balanced than it actually is, which might discourage Anet even more to properly balance the game. And “non-pro” players could have to endure this crappy meta even longer …
Using Sic’Em instead of frost spirit should result in even higher total dmg (tail swipe can hit for 21k+ on heavy golem). And vuln wasn’t at 25 stacks :p
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Why not adding a dueling place in HotM without removing OS from WvW?
Yes, it isn’t used much anymore but sometimes people still like to fight there. And by moving OS to HotM it wouldn’t only change its place. It would also remove build variety due to the restrictions of PvP builds.
Exactly, 19k = 19000
It is possible to deal this kind of dmg with certain skills/combos but it comes usually with a huge trade-off. Those builds are either too glassy and die before they can deal any serious dmg and/or the dmg is too unreliable/hard too land. So it is not surprising to hardly ever see that much dmg in actual combat.
Memser is part of PvP meta for half a year now, and was viable even before. After HoT it became even stronger. Not bad for a class which always gets “nerfed to the ground” …
Walls are undodgeable to prevent ppl from just dodging through them in which case they would loose there purpose of “blocking the way”. But dmg should never be undodgeable. I agree that if feels kind of odd in case of Lightning Rod, but think, it is better for the game this way. Even though it won’t matter much in the current state of the game …
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Yea, the game still hasn’t enough unavoidable procs …
Removing the dmg would also make LR usable while stealthed without revealing. Which is another big advantage imo.
Unlike GftE and BW, the weakness from Wilting Strike is applied when the target(s) get hit by the F2 ability, not at the start of the cast. I guess the text means, that multi-hit skills like F2 from birds or drakes will only apply weakness once per target to prevent the stacking of long duration weakness from skills like lightning breath. It can be applied to multiple targets though.
Huge cleave damage on downed targets or just very good aoe on point
Compared to what other classes can do, the cleave is pretty bad. Regarding damage GS offeres strong single target burst (with the right traits) but low sustained dmg.
I recently started to solo fractals without having ever done fractals before ^^
Just wanted to know how far i can get as a PvE noob. Unfortunately i’m stuck at level 8 because it seems to be impossible to solo the underground fractal (pls correct me if i’m wrong).
I’m not really interrested in group play, so i’m not sure if i will continue with some help or just give up for now. Maybe i’ll try some dungeons instead.
Overall it is very unlikely that there are many solo’ers left. There is no reason to solo dungeons or fractals apart from the challenge and once you know how to do it, it is not that hard anymore. And most are busy with raids anyway …
An amulet alone can’t (hard)counter anything.
Especially if it is an amulet which is used only by one class. Unlike some other amulets …
Viper is fine.
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Imo this trait is stronger now than in the BWE unless you are in a big zerg, because it healed only for about 60 or 70 per proc back then. Removing the ICD would make this trait too strong. Druid doesn’t need more sustain.
And pets still eat tons of aoe and cleave dmg in PvP/WvW, so there is almost always something to heal.
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The duration of Technobabble is increased by MoC. Only the tooltip is bugged.
If you can’t attack the Reaper from outside 600 range because of obstacles, he can’t attack you either.
This wouldn’t be a problem, if pvp wasn’t all about capping kittening points.
If the Reaper is on Staff, they have okay life force generation (try strafing to dodge the auto, it works quite well), but low pressure. Reaper’s Mark is the important one to dodge and has a very unique animation. Conversely, if they’re on Scepter, they have high pressure, but low life force generation.
Chillblains is as dangerous as Reaper’s Mark and it looks exactly the same as other marks. And the casting animation from staff 5 itself isn’t much different from other marks (I even tried necro/reaper myself to learn the animations, but couldn’t see much difference on staff animations).
And i wouldn’t call staff low pressure, chill alone forces you to cleanse.
On either one, chill application is limited to just two skills outside of shroud (nobody runs Spectral Grasp) if you’re outside 600 range. Both skills are on staff and have decent cooldowns.
Don’t forget sigil of ice, traited signets, chill of death, …
Even so, Chill in PvP caps out at ~800 DPS, which is hardly difficult to deal with. Heck, Burning did more than that before the condition changes.
Burning did about the same, not more. And unlike chill it has no additional effects aside dmg, yet burning was on of the strongest conditions even back then.
What exactly are you doing while the Necro is spending several seconds applying chill, minor poison, some torment, and starting to stack bleeds? Nothing? You aren’t dodging the main condi applicators? You aren’t blocking/blinding? You aren’t applying any pressure whatsoever while the Necro is vulnerable outside of shroud?
Dodging which main condi applicators? Marks which look all the same (well almost)? Unavoidable procs like chill of death or sigils? Blocking unblockable marks? Blinding from 1200 range? Pls tell me how to do all this, i really want to learn how to counter condi reaper.
But to answer your question, i’m cleasing and running away because currently this is the only way to stay away far enough to survive.
Also, I’ve never heard obstacles used as a reason to label one individual class imbalanced. Here I’d thought I’d seen it all.
I didn’t used obstacles as a reason to call reaper op.
There is counter*play*. Cleanse and kite when the Necro is in Reaper Shroud. Keep slows up and simply dodge away from the Shroud #2, or just make sure to dodge Shroud #5. When the Necro isn’t in Shroud, apply burst/damage/focus/etc. Dodge the LF generating abilities, if you feel inclined to keep the Necro out of Shroud, or dodge the highest damage/condi applying abilities if you want to mitigate the damage potential.
And counterbuilding is part of the game. You expect every class spec to be balanced against every class spec in 1v1? Is that what you think this game is about? If you don’t expect that, then it’s necessarily the case that certain builds will be better against certain other builds. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. If you do expect that, then I think you’ve been misinformed.
You are talking as if reapers can’t deal any dmg outside of shroud. Staff has 1200 range, scepter 900. Chill, poison, few bleeds, fear, torment, and even more chill … Everything can be applied without shroud. Doesn’t need high stacks, just some condis to cover the chill. If the take sigil of ice they can apply chill even with autoattacks.
Dodging the LF generating abilities? Such as staff auto and marks? Oh wait, marks generate LF even if you dodge them …
And pvp maps offer plenty obstacles to block ranged attacks so it is often not possible to attack from outside of 600 range …
Wake up people. Like Vapour said, Condi Reapers have 3 powerful counters. That in itself proves that the build is balanced.
Instead of learning how to counter, all I see are people throwing tantrums demanding to get builds nerfed.
It’s pretty disgusting to witness how lazy people are at attempting to figure things out on their own.
Using resistance spam or diamond skin has nothing to do with “learning how to counter”. It is just counterbuilding and limited to very few classes. If the only aviable counter is picking the right class and traits, otherwise you can’t do anything, it actually means, there is no real counterplay to condi reaper.
If you want to use staff, apothecary is useless. You need a decent critchance to apply bleeds. Without crits, cleric would be better.
Work on your map awareness. You’ve got the “marked” buff from sentries, white swords if an objective is under attack and you can easily guess where your enemy is by using a livemap (or just taking a look at those new pop up messages). If you still can’t find any enemies with all of that then I’m sorry to tell you that the servers you are playing against are apparently dead and switching back to the old borders would change nothing.
This worked well on the old maps, but now ppl are always gone if i head in the direction of those “enemy signs”. And yes, my main server isn’t the most populated server, but it was way better some months ago. Switching back to the old borders won’t solve this problem, true, it is too late now. But this doesn’t make the new map “good” in any way.
Occasionally i play on a gold league server too, and it isn’t much better there. WvW was more fun pre HoT. Regardless of the server.
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And when i’ve learned the map, what then?
I still won’t find any enemys (because there are not much and even if there are some, i won’t see them because the wonderful map design is blocking my sight). There would be still no reason to care about upgrading and defending keeps. Or to try to take a keep solo or with a small grp – takes too long even if it is undefended (which makes it incredible boring) and if it is defended you can’t do anything without superior numbers. There would be still annoying PvE machanics, which could destroy fights (well, if there were actually some fights …). It would still take too long to get arround the map due to its size and the lack of (usable) waypoints.
Learning the map would improve nothing, why should i even bother?
Only at 1k+ range lb autoattack has better dps than staff.
Idk, why you want the autoattack buffed, it should never be the “best” skill of a weapon, especially not if it is a non-projectile 1200 ranged attack. And staff auto is already one of the better staff skills. Usually all you have to do as a druid is kite arround, spam 1 and use 3+5 for occasional heals. Don’t make it even more braindead.
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