Guild Wars 2

OK, time to use some actual numbers, and may the gods forgive me for doing so. I’m going to use my mesmer as he’s set up right now with a relatively balanced build. Here’s the numbers:

Ascended Amulet: 126 power, 85 precision, 9% crit
Ruby-ori Berserk: 115 power, 79 precision, 8% crit
Base: 1867 power, 1684 precision, 35% crit

The Ascended amulet is replacing the Ruby Orichalcum amulet of the berserker. The base numbers are without an amulet equipped at all. The ascended amulet gives me an increase of 11 power, 6 precision and 1% critical damage. In other words, after changing amulets we see this:

Power: 1982 → 1993
Precision: 1763 → 1769
Crit dmg: 44% → 45%

C’mon people… are you really stressing over numbers this marginal? You can practically change a gem and have a bigger impact.

CHIPS.6018:

Hule.8794:

Well predator can be invisiblle all the time and Arnie killed him.

Even the predator would leave behind a blood trail when he is wounded. The thieves and mesmers don’t.

We don’t have time to bleed.

muekung.2518:

Fuzzion.2504:

Seren.6850:

spike fruit and gear tossers make my quaggan backpack sad

is the [FIRE] is sos the same guild as the [FIRE] in JQ ?

Also what happened to the guild [Thai] ? Didnt see that many during my asian timezone

It’s different [FIRE]
[Thai] is BG’s southeast asia guild

The SoS FIRE is not the same FIRE as the JQ FIRE, and as of late the JQ FIRE may or may not be the same JQ FIRE as the JQ FIRE since our FIRE (Firebats) have started seeing another FIRE on JQ.

But, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so we’ll take it.

Skylightmoon… you are now ready for an off-hand weapon.

Nicely done. I love seeing the explorer spirits about.

I haven’t seen an invisible wall yet, to be honest.

Ah, just Another Mursaaturday Night in Tyria.

ANet… you can use that for an expansion name.

Avatar.1923:

^

zergs are gw2 achilles heel.

Please don’t make things up. Everyone knows that Achilles was shot in the heel, couldn’t keep up with the zerg and got taken out by a thief while straggling behind.

Mackdose.6504:

VOLKON.1290:

So if one gives 6% additional crit and the other 8% additional crit then the second gives you a total of 2% more crit, not 33%.

I’m not saying it gives you 33% more crit. No one is saying it gives you 33% more crit.

In fact, that was the entire point I was trying to make. Thank you for pointing out my own logic.

There is however, a 33% difference between the amount of crit damage the exotic ring provides (6%) and the amount that the Ascended ring provides (8%).

Next time read the thread.

If that’s how you’re trying to present it then you’re being deliberately deceptive in order to make a flawed point. One gives you 2% more crit than the other. Period. Because they’re already in percentages your comparison is flawed. It’s still, no matter how you massage the data, a 2% difference between the amount of crit damage the exotic ring provides (6% boost) and the amount that the Ascended ring provides (8%).

The reason it’s deceptive is because “33%” doesn’t mean a thing. It’s not applied to anything. It has no value. If I have 50% crit and put the ring on I’m now at 53%. If I put the ascended ring on I’m at 54%. 6% increase vs. 8% increase.

Mance.5640:

It’s FRIDAY on Radio Free JQ; this is Uncle Mance, with music, and the truth until reset!

Some words for our brothers and sisters still fighting till the bitter end, FOR the mother land! FOR THE QUARRY! “keep the sock under the bed, keep the sock under the bed”, wear ear plugs, small dogs barking. wear ear plugs, small dogs barking."

AND FOR THE JQ HONEY BADGERS and the Waha gang!!! This is your song my ferocious friend.

Remember the sun never sets in the Quarry. (Quote from someone but we are using it on the radio now!)

http://youtu.be/E-WHW-QNswE

That was me! WOOT! I’m quotable!

Mackdose.6504:

VOLKON.1290:

Mackdose.6504:

EasymodeX.4062:

kenshinakh.3672:

Clearly you’re off somewhere, and if you’re going to pick out the 33% from the critical damage… I’m going to laugh and say “Well, now if I had 1% critical damage, and it increased to 3%, is that a 300% increase? Of course! But it’s not going to matter for things on such a low scale in the first place!”

And then when the rest of the ascended gear is released and someone crits you for 16k instead of 14k …

It’s too late.

Sidenote:

Whoops, I added the power on the ruby orichalcum incorrectly. Still, doesn’t make much of a difference. If you want to get really picky (which you apparently do):

http://www.gw2db.com/items/71376-crystalline-band-infused
http://www.gw2db.com/items/71391-bagh-nakh-infused
http://www.gw2db.com/items/71379-red-ring-of-death-infused

That’s still +13% on the power, 9.5% on the secondary, and 33% on the crit damage.

150% is base crit damage. So while it may be 33% number increase from one ring to the next one up, when you include base stats (which everyone likes to forget) the increase is much lower.

33% higher stat != 33% more effectiveness.

Eh… it’s 8% crit vs. 6% crit… or 2% increase. Not 33% increase. Just needed to point that out.

2 is 1/3; .33333n; 33% of 6.

6 + 2 =8

Ergo the increase of one ring to another for that particular comparison, is 33%.

No, it isn’t. The first two stats are a direct amount increase added to a base value. If one adds 50 condition damage and another 60, you can calculate how much of a percent increase of the base there is for each and a difference. However… the crit damage is already in percentage. So if one gives 6% additional crit and the other 8% additional crit then the second gives you a total of 2% more crit, not 33%.

They’re already percentages, you don’t convert to percentages then subtract.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Avatar.1923:

i hope the new content is done smart and isnt “beatable” only with numbers of auto attack spammers.

It’s not.

Granted, there a bunch of different mission types and they all vary in difficulty. But given that this is guild content, we created some challenges that should hopefully require some decent coordination. And while the risen temple of Grenth is a fine example of very hard event, I think you’ll find that the guild content pressures you ways other than dealing lots of damage. A few missions haven’t even been completed by our internal testers yet (but they came extremely close).

Oh, Mr. Orton, don’t you dare let them nerf the toughness out of the tough ones. Don’t you DARE! Adding content like that… oh yeah. Guilds will have to work together as a team… I’m excited for this update. Don’t let them weaken them just because the testers can’t handle it. We’ll be fine, in time.

Mackdose.6504:

EasymodeX.4062:

kenshinakh.3672:

Clearly you’re off somewhere, and if you’re going to pick out the 33% from the critical damage… I’m going to laugh and say “Well, now if I had 1% critical damage, and it increased to 3%, is that a 300% increase? Of course! But it’s not going to matter for things on such a low scale in the first place!”

And then when the rest of the ascended gear is released and someone crits you for 16k instead of 14k …

It’s too late.

Sidenote:

Whoops, I added the power on the ruby orichalcum incorrectly. Still, doesn’t make much of a difference. If you want to get really picky (which you apparently do):

http://www.gw2db.com/items/71376-crystalline-band-infused
http://www.gw2db.com/items/71391-bagh-nakh-infused
http://www.gw2db.com/items/71379-red-ring-of-death-infused

That’s still +13% on the power, 9.5% on the secondary, and 33% on the crit damage.

150% is base crit damage. So while it may be 33% number increase from one ring to the next one up, when you include base stats (which everyone likes to forget) the increase is much lower.

33% higher stat != 33% more effectiveness.

Eh… it’s 8% crit vs. 6% crit… or 2% increase. Not 33% increase. Just needed to point that out.

Teleport… that makes me think the “blink” skill (which could then be followed with portals to get in others). If it’s simply a matter of portals alone then one must simply learn to sweep for mesmers better.

akamon.2769:

but that’s the beauty of WvW…. no? ; )))

you fall, get up and climb back up again, and you’re better than ever. bringing new things to the field. really looking forward to the major WvW updates and hoping they’ll really enhance the gameplay and not just embellish it with fancy stuff (not that i mind those either). really learning to love WvW.

a major tip of the stag helm to [CDS] and my fellow server mates!

Aw man, you’re channeling my inner ChumbaWamba!

covenn.7165:

I think perhaps BG is bored the way they are zerging this thread. This must be what it feels like to be an undefended keep door.

Oh no you didn’t!

At least wait for them to get here before you drag them too far into the fray. They still haven’t passed SoS, so this may all be premature.

covenn.7165:

VOLKON.1290:

Nuked.2360:

pot.6805:

Wow, the same suspects who ruined the IoJ/BG/SoR, TC/BG/SoR/, SoR/SBI/TC threads have now ruined the JQ/SoR/SoS thread.

And people think coincidences are overrated :P But yea I think we all know what caused the thread to go down hill.

You know… there does seem to be something in common between those four match-ups… but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

Can you provide any evidence that the SoR/SBI/TC was ruined? Aside from a couple of random posts, it was one of the most respectful matchup threads I have seen to date.

Thanks, I look forward to any thing you can provide to support your case.

Nah, it isn’t my case to make. Just observing that there appears to be something in common between the listed four match-ups.

Burl.9567:

Porky.5021:

Okay. I think it’s time to say something.

bacon.

Cookies may have been the better choice of word.

Cookies… wrapped in bacon.

Nuked.2360:

pot.6805:

Wow, the same suspects who ruined the IoJ/BG/SoR, TC/BG/SoR/, SoR/SBI/TC threads have now ruined the JQ/SoR/SoS thread.

And people think coincidences are overrated :P But yea I think we all know what caused the thread to go down hill.

You know… there does seem to be something in common between those four match-ups… but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

Nope, wasted ability that wouldn’t translate over to PvP well either. The game is built around a lack of “tanking” in the pure sense, this would go a long way into adding the archaic trinity back. Leave that to the lesser MMOs.

Atherakhia.4086:

Since this is a PvP game. And PvP is won by burst, ae, and utility. The weapons should have an auto-attack, some burst, and some utility.

The problem is the vast majority of weapons in this game, these supposed burst skills are actually a net dps loss over auto attacking. Shortbow for Rangers for example loses damage from using anything but auto-attack. The poison does no damage and the utility is questionable at best. the other skills have no dps potential.

The longbow on the other hand gains a respectable damage increase from its abilities. However, the damage increase is pointless because the bow doesn’t do near the damage shortbow does.

I’m fine with some weapons being PvE and others being PvP focused, but they should all be useful at something. There are a great deal of weapons that simply aren’t ever worth using.

Ele focus and scepter.
Warrior off-hand sword and axe.
Ranger longbow and off-hand axe.

Yikes, the swirlies on the Focus are one of the most used defensive skills in WvW at least.

JQ has a Brazilian krewe as well that are quite active.

They’re fine as they are, an often the source of random, chaotic fun.

Miiaah.5416:

Actually I’m saying as long as SoR and BG don’t go full throttle ballistic on each other and take us both out of the game, we should do fine. And JQ really can’t say anything about a double team, BGs first week back to T1 was literally Benny Hill ridiculous the way JQ threw everything they had at BG and never touched SoS for at least the first 4-5 days. Even if SoR and BG both hammered on JQ, I’m sure JQ would be fine. Im sure BG has more distaste for JQ these days than SoR for obvious reasons. My reason was watching them play for second in BGs last stint in T1, I don’t think SoR plays for second, I think they might mirror BG’s assualt anything that moves play style

I have to admit I don’t recall JQ ever deciding to play for second. Don’t forget that if you’re in third the road to first is through the team currently in second. There are days when they’re the more logical target, until the team in first gets complacent…

Only a WvW player knows what it’s like to be the victim of a 2v1 every day of their lives, and believes they’re the only ones this happens to.

covenn.7165:

Miiaah.5416:

I agree SoR and BG should be able to bust JQs dominance but are SoR and BG really not going to smash into each other and take us both out of the match because of our past? It will be an interesting week I’m sure

Doubtful that any time of teamwork against JQ would ever be performed. There is a lot of animosity between our two servers and people that would be able to influence it. Personally, I wouldn’t want that anyways.

Somehow I suspect that even if we did during non NA peak hours at least, it still wouldn’t put much of a dent in JQ. They were ticking away on you at 600 too if you recall. Heh

Ah, look at this… trying reverse psychology to organize a 2 v 1. I see how you are, and I see right through your veiled attempt at cleverness sir!

On a more serious note, I’ve heard there’s some bad blood between SoR and BG but not a reason as to why? I think someone mentioned guilds transferring or the like, but that could have been different servers too… or as well…

schizandra.4587:

I’m a fanGIRL, tyvm. Can’t you tell by my uber personalized forum profile?

Do you know offhand if there’s an age cutoff in going from a fanboy to a fanman? I’m pretty sure I’ve exceeded it if one exists…

Miiaah.5416:

I agree SoR and BG should be able to bust JQs dominance but are SoR and BG really not going to smash into each other and take us both out of the match because of our past? It will be an interesting week I’m sure

Look at you already trying to set up a 2v1!

(Be warned, any mention of that when BG is back in T1 will make a thread absolutely explode.)

Oh, by the way… anyone have a score update please?

You show me a game with a gear treadmill and I’ll show you a game that requires Gear Score and Recount.

TLSolomon.6083:

Aurust.8961:

Wow, i feel really bad for you JQ guys that had to be in JQ BL last night ( NA primetime)…. seriously…. that was pretty brutal.

Don’t feel bad! I made friends with a pretty sexy UL guardian outside garrison. We danced, and laughed, and he killed a moa for us to sit down and snack on. It was the best night ever, until my husband came up and tried to kill him. I guess there is no sleeping with the enemy =(

You realize you two are costing me a lifetime of guilt don’t you… I swear I’ll never use that Moa elite for harm again! If only I could have warned you in time that that wasn’t… I can’t go on…

azazil.9541:

Yes i can admit GW2 is not bad mmo with some serious issues like any other new/beta software but still can playable.

Anyway we’ll see when the Elder Scrolls Online hit the market, tbh i’m waiting it very solicitously.

It’s funny… I enjoyed Skyrim quite a bit, but I’m leery of ESO. It’ll be so easy to screw that up in an MMO environment that even if I felt like playing another game I’d still wait a few months for a shaking out period first.

It’s a good thing they shut the door behind Tybalt, because I’d have gone after him. Screw the mission.

wintermute.4096:

I think this is one of the major flaws of the way they locked skillbars to weapon sets in this game, which imho was a terrible decision. I feel I often have to go with one particular weapon because of either autoattack and one or two skills on it, which means the rest of the set is pretty much dead weight at that point. There are only so many viable choices for your build, and artificially limiting the way in which you can combine them doesn’t help.

If we at least had some way to swap out single skills on weapons, that would probably help already, and also I’d really like to see some of those completely worthless utilities + elites changed so we could actually have some choice in what we bring.

There are ways around that, but they’re kind of secret. I’ll tell you, but you can’t let anyone else read this post. OK? Shh…

1. Weapon swapping / Attunement swapping. Swapping weapons, attunements, etc. get you new sets of skills that are actually designed to work together and give you a broad range of damage, control and support. I’m working on a baby elementalist and it’s crazy… but I have twenty skills per weapon set. Yes, I have to change weapons out of combat, but BANG! Twenty more!

2. Traits. These can enhance your skills quite nicely to change not only how the skills behave, but how you play your profession. My mesmer is traited to create clones when I dodge. What a difference in playstyle that makes for something that seems so simple! Dodging becomes an offensive weapon and clones get more focus as a real piece of your arsenal of mind blowing doom. I love it. As a matter of fact, there was a now-fixed bug in Fractals in the Ascalon section where mesmers transformed as Fire Legion had this trait not working. When I dodged to create a clone, no clone! You have no idea how gimped that made me feel.

3. Utilities. Yep, you can swap these babies out when out of combat and again add a whole new bunch of effects to your character, customizing them even further for the situation at hand. Learn them, you’ll love them. Oh, don’t disregard a utility that seems uninteresting on the surface… often in practice they’re more potent than you realize.

Remember… it’s our little secret. Tell no one!

Kreen.3925:

VOLKON.1290:

Aurust.8961:

Wow, i feel really bad for you JQ guys that had to be in JQ BL last night ( NA primetime)…. seriously…. that was pretty brutal.

It was, I agree. I was there on the JQ side. I hate this time of the week when the match is pretty well wrapped up and only a fraction of the people seem to care anymore. A fully fortified garrison being hit and people want to do jumping puzzles to stock up on siege for next week, or figure we’ll just get it back later. It was like herding cats, only more challenging. Well, keep punching us in the nose like that, hopefully you’ll wake some people up and get them focused. The crew that was making a real effort to fight back simply didn’t have the support. We shouldn’t be out-manned like that these days. Sigh…

Nice job last night SoR, you all were wonderfully tenacious. Don’t stop!

I wouldn’t worry about it, some folks just need a break, they have that opportunity at present. When needed all the wood will be placed behind the arrowhead.

Those were fun fights last night for sure. More than happy for SoR’s premier forces to all stay on JQ BL for every match up….

Bah, that’s true of course. I just have a wee bit of a competitive… thing… I get to where the score doesn’t matter and we should keep the boots to the proverbial throats. But yeah, I guess a break every now and then isn’t a completely horrible thing.

The funny part is how covenn saw us as being so organized compared to how disorganized it felt to me compared to normal. And what’s with all the AFK people in Citadel! <cough> break thing… sorry about that… I’ll work on it.

Draehl.2681:

Awesome.6120:

So you want utility skills (like crippling shot) to do more damage in addition to providing that utility?

Since in so many situations said utility is of no use, yes. No matter how easy the encounter its no fun to just stare at your character autoattack with minimal input. GW2 is wonderfully designed in situations where you face the risk of death. With dodging and all the different boons and conditions you can apply it is rather well designed.

The problem is you aren’t always in SPVP, a dungeon, or the most difficult of events. The act of doing damage in ordinary scenarios should be more than simply activating autoattack and the occasional skill that is actually worth using.

Strange, I didn’t realize I was the only one to swap utility skills based on the situations at hand. Still, I find that crippling a player or non-player foe can indeed be beneficial.

covenn.7165:

VOLKON.1290:

Aurust.8961:

Wow, i feel really bad for you JQ guys that had to be in JQ BL last night ( NA primetime)…. seriously…. that was pretty brutal.

It was, I agree. I was there on the JQ side. I hate this time of the week when the match is pretty well wrapped up and only a fraction of the people seem to care anymore. A fully fortified garrison being hit and people want to do jumping puzzles to stock up on siege for next week, or figure we’ll just get it back later. It was like herding cats, only more challenging. Well, keep punching us in the nose like that, hopefully you’ll wake some people up and get them focused. The crew that was making a real effort to fight back simply didn’t have the support. We shouldn’t be out-manned like that these days. Sigh…

Nice job last night SoR, you all were wonderfully tenacious. Don’t stop!

Isn’t that a tad disrespectful to to the organized guilds on your side that were trying to make a go of it? SF and a few others looked pretty organized and coherent to me. Not only that, for the most part there were just as many of you as there was of us in the fights.

Nice try though, but you should probably not be disrespectful to people on your team that are actually giving it a good shot just because you aren’t.

Nice job misinterpreting that completely and twisting it around to mean something it didn’t. Impressive indeed. Like I said, the crews that were making a real effort to compete didn’t have the support. There were some of us giving it Hell, just not enough. Compliments to SoR for bringing the fight like they did though.

Aurust.8961:

Wow, i feel really bad for you JQ guys that had to be in JQ BL last night ( NA primetime)…. seriously…. that was pretty brutal.

It was, I agree. I was there on the JQ side. I hate this time of the week when the match is pretty well wrapped up and only a fraction of the people seem to care anymore. A fully fortified garrison being hit and people want to do jumping puzzles to stock up on siege for next week, or figure we’ll just get it back later. It was like herding cats, only more challenging. Well, keep punching us in the nose like that, hopefully you’ll wake some people up and get them focused. The crew that was making a real effort to fight back simply didn’t have the support. We shouldn’t be out-manned like that these days. Sigh…

Nice job last night SoR, you all were wonderfully tenacious. Don’t stop!

Karizee.8076:

VOLKON.1290:

Vasham.2408:

I’d love everyone championing this game’s broken “no trinity” design to spend one day raiding with a top 100 WoW guild. You’d be kicked before the first boss was killed. This is a classic example of how casuals think: “I’m a bad player, so when I chose an easier path I must demonize those with more skill to make them appear in the wrong, justifying my poor performance.”

I did my share of WoW raiding. All raiding is in WoW is following a script. In Beta, the top guilds are given access to the raids and they’re told by Blizzard exactly how they are supposed to work. Those guilds practice them in Beta, learning the scripted fights, then create videos of those fight for posting so they can teach everyone else the script. I’ve main tanked many raid up through Lich King as well as dps’d on my MM hunter… it’s all the same. Watch the fight, learn the script, beat the fight.

Yup. The only “challenge” is the gear check.

Curse you! I’d forgotten about that plague on MMO history! Oh man, I really don’t miss that crap.

Vasham.2408:

I’d love everyone championing this game’s broken “no trinity” design to spend one day raiding with a top 100 WoW guild. You’d be kicked before the first boss was killed. This is a classic example of how casuals think: “I’m a bad player, so when I chose an easier path I must demonize those with more skill to make them appear in the wrong, justifying my poor performance.”

I did my share of WoW raiding. All raiding is in WoW is following a script. In Beta, the top guilds are given access to the raids and they’re told by Blizzard exactly how they are supposed to work. Those guilds practice them in Beta, learning the scripted fights, then create videos of those fight for posting so they can teach everyone else the script. I’ve main tanked many raid up through Lich King as well as dps’d on my MM hunter… it’s all the same. Watch the fight, learn the script, beat the fight.

Jahn.7019:

JQ mentality seems to be “Who cares that I’m losing now, at least my other time slot is winning”.

SoR mentality seems to be “We are winning now, who cares what happens when I’m sleeping/working/studying”.

SoS mentality I have no idea really, they just seem to hate JQ.

We are all one time slot on JQ. The sun never sets in the Quarry.

Vasham.2408:

VOLKON.1290:

Two posts worth of objective reactions to baseless opinions go here

Arenadrones gonna drone I guess. If you are not willing to accept the way things are and continue to live with buyer’s remorse than it’s not my problem.

I’ve seen this before, sadly. When you can’t attack the argument, attack the person presenting the argument. That’s not a good sign for your cause, you realize, no?

Actually… if a mod would be so kind, this is a good thread with a few bad apples tossed in. A bit of a cleaning would be much better than the intended deletion some people are pressing for would be nice.

Sylosi.6503:

VOLKON.1290:

Sylosi.6503:

You mean exactly how people rush to the mobs in events (notably the Orr ones) in order to get the credit…

No. That’s different… people trying to get in on an event are helping each other complete the event together. In lesser MMOs, you run to tag the mob so you and only you get credit for it.

No it’s the same, people are at the Orr camp events to farm them, hence they all rush from spawn point to spawn point spamming thier attacks at the point the mobs become vulnerable, because they know the mobs are goign to be instagibbed and if they don’t get in their 100b before most of the other people there then the mobs will be dead and they won’t be gettign loot bags.

You’re trying too hard. Slow down and relax. You’ll make less spelling errors that way.

In competitive PvE types of games, everyone races to be the first. If you’re not, you’re s.o.l. and get nothing. With me so far? Good.

In GW2, people race to get in events. The more people that get there, the more mobs show up, the tougher they get, etc. Plus many events have timed scenarios, so this “instagibbed” scenario you present isn’t possible. It’s different completely, because everyone is racing to be a part of something, not the exclusive person to get credit for a single mob.

• Bots left to do their thing, ruining the economy: Bots have been getting their butts kicked. They’re certainly not ruining the economy.

• Servers list accounts tied to server, not actual populations to hide poor player retention: This has been demonstrated to be a flat out lie. How else would we at Jade Quarry have been able to get guilds in before the transfer? We did blackouts. Basically, the WvW population would mostly log off at once, knocking the server from full to Very High, allowing people to transfer over. That would be impossible if what you say were true.

• Legendary weapons not legendary, just a massive grind: It’s the skins, not the stats that matter. A bow that shoots freakin unicorns at me… legendary in my book.

• Trahearne (THIS IS MY STORY LOL): Some like him, some don’t, irrelevant.

• Zhaitan (SPAM 2 TO KILL THE ELDER DRAGON LOL): Bah, I’m the guy keeping the mobs cleared while the shooting is going on. It’s non-stop action doing that.

Vasham.2408:

VOLKON.1290:

Vasham.2408:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Vasham.2408:

If anything this game’s poor design has reaffirmed my faith in other MMOs were the developers actually put forth honest effort. GW2 feels like nothing but a formless mass of ideas that didn’t pan out, everything tried an afterthought to the next “big idea” that got abandoned down the line.

An example of the poor design would be nice to hear.

• Hearts replacing quests ruins replayability
• Personal story being devoid of meaningful choices despite being advertised otherwise
• Events are buggy and non-functional months after release
• Event bosses are mindless zergs
• Lack of the Holy Trinity effectively killed complex boss design
• sPVP is a complete joke, poorly balanced and completely abandoned
• WvW is nothing but zergs, capture trading, and door smashing
• Dungeons are a mess of bugs and erratic requirements, either too easy or full of fake difficulty
• Loot DR implemented to force gem purchases upon the playerbase
• Bots left to do their thing, ruining the economy
• Servers list accounts tied to server, not actual populations to hide poor player retention
• Legendary weapons not legendary, just a massive grind
• Trahearne (THIS IS MY STORY LOL)
• Zhaitan (SPAM 2 TO KILL THE ELDER DRAGON LOL)

Need I say more?

How about something factual this time?

If facts aren’t your definition of factual then there’s no helping you.

Heh, ok, nice retort. But still, a lot of what you list there… that’s not my take on things at all.

• Hearts replacing quests ruins replayability: No, they didn’t. Not at all. You may not be able to redo hearts themselves, but the dynamic events, dungeons, world events, etc. are all replayable. Hearts are training wheels for GW2, nothing more. Once you’ve learned to ride, you don’t need them.

• Personal story being devoid of meaningful choices despite being advertised otherwise: Also not true. Characters live and die in your story based on these choices. Buildings saved or lost. In the end, they all culminate in Arah, but there are many paths that get you there.

• Events are buggy and non-functional months after release: I haven’t seen a buggy event in ages. They may be there, but nothing reporting them won’t fix.

• Event bosses are mindless zergs: These are the closest you’ll see to the old style fights you find with trinity based systems, sans tanks and healers. They’re raid feeling events with bosses that need to be stationary simply because they’re too freakin’ big. In a good way.

• Lack of the Holy Trinity effectively killed complex boss design: Horse poop. The bosses are far more complex and varied here than in trinity based systems such as WoW, where all you do is follow the script until the fight is over. The lack of trinity means every party of any mix will have the fight be different simply because everyone beings different elements to the table.

• sPVP is a complete joke, poorly balanced and completely abandoned: Haven’t done this, but I hear otherwise regarding balance or it being a joke.

• WvW is nothing but zergs, capture trading, and door smashing: What is “capture trading”? I haven’t seen any of that in my extended time in WvW. Yes, you have to smash the door to get in. Don’t like that? Smash the wall. Yes, there are zergs. There are also small groups, strike forces, single players taking out yaks to supply starve the enemy, etc.

• Dungeons are a mess of bugs and erratic requirements, either too easy or full of fake difficulty: Mess of bugs is a lie. Erratic requirements makes no sense. Without the archaic trinity any group of people can succeed and do so in varying ways.

• Loot DR implemented to force gem purchases upon the playerbase: Ease up on the conspiracy theories there. How you can equate DR (used to fight bots) with my decision whether or not to buy a quaggan backpack… I don’t know. Whether or not I choose to buy gems or convert gold to gems has nothing to do with DR.

Quests? Wandering in the new areas and not seeing people?

Maybe it’s just me, but something doesn’t pass the sniff test here…

Vasham.2408:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Vasham.2408:

If anything this game’s poor design has reaffirmed my faith in other MMOs were the developers actually put forth honest effort. GW2 feels like nothing but a formless mass of ideas that didn’t pan out, everything tried an afterthought to the next “big idea” that got abandoned down the line.

An example of the poor design would be nice to hear.

• Hearts replacing quests ruins replayability
• Personal story being devoid of meaningful choices despite being advertised otherwise
• Events are buggy and non-functional months after release
• Event bosses are mindless zergs
• Lack of the Holy Trinity effectively killed complex boss design
• sPVP is a complete joke, poorly balanced and completely abandoned
• WvW is nothing but zergs, capture trading, and door smashing
• Dungeons are a mess of bugs and erratic requirements, either too easy or full of fake difficulty
• Loot DR implemented to force gem purchases upon the playerbase
• Bots left to do their thing, ruining the economy
• Servers list accounts tied to server, not actual populations to hide poor player retention
• Legendary weapons not legendary, just a massive grind
• Trahearne (THIS IS MY STORY LOL)
• Zhaitan (SPAM 2 TO KILL THE ELDER DRAGON LOL)

Need I say more?

How about something factual this time?

Sylosi.6503:

You mean exactly how people rush to the mobs in events (notably the Orr ones) in order to get the credit…

No. That’s different… people trying to get in on an event are helping each other complete the event together. In lesser MMOs, you run to tag the mob so you and only you get credit for it.

Sylosi.6503:

“Screw your neighbour” rather depends on the game, some games were very good in this regard LOTRO for instance (before it was f2p), most people behaved well and if you were fighting a mob by a node, would wait for you to finish to see if you actually going to farm the node ro not, rather then jumping in and farming the node whilst you were in combat, of course other games were not so good in this respect.

Maybe there were those few that were better at it than others, but the mechanic remains regardless. Competitive PvE. It’s an outdated concept that I for one won’t miss.

JemL.3501:

GW2 didnt kill any game…at all, if a game was ’’hurt’’ speaking about players jumping ship, was just WoW and GW1, and that is it.

No one is saying GW2 killed anything. We’re saying that for us, personally, it ruined the experiences of other MMOs. I can’t even fathom being in a static quest based world again where people fight to be the first to “tag” a mob to get credit for it or race each other to a node…

The biggest thing that stands out to me, aside from the best MMO combat out there, is the removal of the “screw your neighbor” from PvE. You work with each other, not against each other.

covenn.7165:

chronos.4239:

covenn.7165:

profitsports.5789:

then maybe you two servers should jus get the hell out and make way for kaineng and blackgate, the true tier one servers

Having fought Blackgate for far more weeks than you. I can safely say that they have less coverage than JQ and their NA presence isn’t as good either. They belong in T1 of SoS most likely. They have better coverage than SoR but a far worse NA crew, so I am not so sure they ‘deserve’ T1 and more than SoR despite all the Pvdoor they did for numerous weeks uncontested to run up score.

That was a long time ago my friend. Blackgates guilds are far more improved then the days of being in tier 2. We are far more battle tested then you are seeing as this is your first stint in tier 1. Get ready for that third place spot when bg returns to tier 1 my friend

Our doors and keep guards are trembling in fear at the thought.

Why is that… are they the only ones that didn’t run away?

I’m sorry, couldn’t resist the opening. To be honest, SoR has been a blast to fight against.

How can we all forget Fozzy?

Jahn.7019:

This thread is a feeding frenzy for the trolls of this tier(we know who they are) the people who take this game seriously are just feeding them non-stop.

Ah! WWFD?

What would Feisty do?

Like I said, there’s a lot of passionate folks in these servers. People need to relax a little and stop taking words typed into the internet so seriously and remember it’s ultimately just a game.

JaredKincade.9761:

Kreen.3925:

JaredKincade.9761:

I just read the last two pages.

I feel like I’ve walked out of that scene in Robocop this thread is so toxic.

If this keeps up, I’m going to ask all of blackgate to boycott this kitten (yes I wrote kitten) if/when we get to Tier 1. We’ll just send Steven Segal back to Flava Flave’s party with Lindsey.

If you have no idea what I’m talking about, but know covenns arguments by heart, I feel sad for you.

if/when you get back to T1, I am expecting some Fiesty score updates…..

Yes, we will bring Feisty, however, we will hold Feisty score updates hostage until the thread becomes civil.

What you need to do is ask Feisty to give us a score update from T2 and see if that settles things down.