Guild Wars 2

Thobek.1730:

Orikx.9671:

Thobek.1730:

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

I highly doubt you will be able to get this going. SoR is well known for not wanting to team with other servers. In T2 losing week after week to BG players from IoJ purposed a 2v1 several times and got flamed by us for it.

We like our 3 way fights to much.

SoR doesn’t work well with others? that’s ok it was just a thought to change things up for a week. I’ll talk to you in about a months time and see how you feel then.

I wonder if Thobek would like it if SoR teamed with JQ to guarantee they stay at 1 and 2 in T1?

Probably not. But if you’re going to push SoR to team up, be careful what you wish for. <insert evil laugh here>

Mindvibe.4630:

JQs only remaining weakness is NA primetime.

Hmm… we need a recruitment thread…

Habib!

… I love you man.

In a macho, WvW kind of manly way of course.

Woot! Good news everyone! Per Habib:

In light of the strong community response to the idea of a WvW ratings reset, the results of our ratings formula investigations, and our data on the current matchups we have decided not to reset the WvW ratings at this time. All existing WvW ratings will be preserved and the rating calculation methodology will remain unchanged. Any existing mismatches should be corrected by the system in relatively short order. Now that there is less volatility in the player base for each world we expect the quality of matches to improve more quickly. This is both because the rating system is operating in a less unpredictable environment and because more stable teams tend to produce better results.

The point reset won’t be taking effect, we’re fighting for T1 baby! Bring it!

Right now, if accurate and it stands, the three tier one servers will be split up, one on T3, one T4 and one T5. If this happens the only chance we’ll have to face off again any time soon is to thoroughly crush the opposition to the point they rage-quit WvW and never return. We should completely demoralize and devastate any hopes and dreams they may have dared to consider having so we can soon meet again in T1 and have these lovely chats again.

Every profession plays completely differently. If one isn’t doing it for you, try another. Even the other two light armor one, Mesmer and Elementalist, will give you a completely different playing experience.

Please! Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let’s not bicker and argue about who queued who. We are here today to witness the union of three young servers in the joyful bond of the holy combat. Unfortunately, one of them, SoR, has just fallen to his death.

damny.9342:

This entire zone is pointless anyway. It’s sad, the game could really do with some high level zones that actually look nice and aren’t full of undead. But there’s almost nothing to do there.

They stated when they released the zone that this was merely an introduction of the area for future content. Patience.

Noosfer.4875:

Do ANet care about WvW?
No official statement on queues (a general issue across servers and zones).
No official statement on server size.
No official statement on matchups or maths. How do they expect that the dedicated guilds will assign forces without knowing which opponents we will have or if we will even be able to fit half of a guild in a given BL?

… disgusting.

Disgusting is a bit strong, seriously. But there is some uncertainties that it would be really nice for them to address. I mean… do they really want, hypothetically, Jade Quarry to fall to Tier 4?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Covenn, you should really learn how to use the ‘edit post’ button. Three back-to-back posts is pretty rediculous.

“God, SOS start hitting JQ and stop being kittens”

I don’t even know what that means and I laughed. So many times I’ve wished SoR and SoS would hit each other… I’m willing to bet it’s mutual across the three.

Darknicrofia.2604:

WvW only abilities based on rank?

slippery slope?

Not if they’re, for example, stomps based on rank similar to /rank in GW1. I could see that as you rank up you get new stomps. That would be sweet.

Here’s a question… on JQBL did Bay ever get flipped? We (JQ) had been holding it for an insane period of time against a full on double team (not criticism… good tactics) for hours and hours on end with some insane and incredibly fun fights coming out of it. One time we finally push SoR out of the lord’s room and practically outside outer when I look back and see an SoS (mostly Agg) zerg inside heading to inner and the still open wall. We got back just in time to hold onto it, but it was nuts. Another time we push out of SE gate to push SoR off, get them back to Vale when suddenly Agg hits us from behind (between Bay and Vale). That left a mark, but I think thanks to culling I managed to get through and back to the gate… to see SoS simply mop up a little and run off. What an absolute blast it’s been fighting these two servers. I hope the changes to scoring etc. don’t screw things up and bury us “servers who are not ready” in lower tiers. They will not enjoy wuvwuv if it does, I guarantee that.

JQBL, Bay… just… Wow.

Kreen.3925:

Don’t know about anyone else but I miss Fiesty’s score updates in these T1 threads. Can someone be creative and do some nice score update in game poses aka Fiesty please.

I would do it myself but I know I would fail at it

Here’s a crack at it…

Roughneck.2509:

I don’t understand why they keep putting dungeons on the monthly…

Would you rather have them on the daily? It really doesn’t take long to do a dungeon run, especially the well-mentioned CoF path 1. It also makes sense to spread a low number of runs out over a month.

What they need, just a thought, is one for five runs in five unique dungeons. Spread people around, experience more of the game. (Opinion only, btw.)

Ahmrill.7512:

VOLKON.1290:

The waypoint is an expensive upgrade. Very expensive. Removing the ability to use it for those brief seconds would remove one of the major advantages of having invested in the waypoint in the first place… being able to get in and defend when things are going to poop. As it is now, keeps still get flipped even with this advantage. All you’d do is make it even more difficult to defend a keep under assault.

I think it would actually be healthier for WvW. Because now people need to make a choice. Do we stay and defend or venture out and try and take something and gain a few points. People have to actually run to a contested keep now… this promotes more open field combat, as well as blockade strategies.

You have to make a gamble when positioning you’re forces… right now it’s just to easy when you can just port at the timer reset.

On the contrary. If they’re too easy to flip, why invest the gold into upgrading them in the first place? It detracts from the point of having a fortified structure in the first place… building defenses to try and hold it.

Jahn.7019:

Though even with the obscene coverage JQ has, they aren’t running away with the match as they should be, an attestament to SoS and SoR.

It is, by all means. Both are providing great competition, and all three are worthy of T1. It’ll be a shame if the reset screws this up and we wind up facing non-competitive servers. The fun will drop in the toilet should that happen and it would turn into a points race to get back to where we’ve earned the right to be… all three of us.

Destroyer.1306:

Proumbro.1376:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Willing-to-share-WvW-details/page/5#post1206432

Already been addressed, no changes in the foreseeable future.

That’s too bad.

A waypoint indicates that a keep has been held for a very long period of time. WvW is more fun (I think) when sieges are successful and property changes hands. I hate seeing a borderland that’s the same color all week. Also, the dominant server will usually be in control of the most keep waypoints across the four maps. Nerfing waypoints would be a simple step to bringing more balance.

On the other hand, people invest gold into these structures and have earned a fair shot at being able to defend them. Determined forces will eventually take the structures, but defenders by definition should have the advantage.

Odaman.8359:

I’d make it where a waypoint doesn’t become contested until a gate/wall is under 90% and is in combat. Now if they cata a random wall down to 89% and then go tag a gate 10 mins later it should contest it immediately, but it’d still be a decent way to make waypoints useful, while still nerfing the graveyard rushing by defense.

I’d say only if the inner gates/walls are under attack personally. After all, the waypoint is behind the inner walls.

Liquid.9672:

JQ has faced a total of 7 different opponents since the 1 week matches began. Ferguson’s Crossing 6. For some servers, I think the rating reset could create a little bit of fun for awhile if only to see some different opponents for a change. Yes there will be some blow outs, but I think some games will also be pretty good. Assuming the reset takes place, I’m personally looking forward to seeing some new server names up on the WvW match frame for a little while.

Be careful what you wish for.

You might actually get it.

The waypoint is an expensive upgrade. Very expensive. Removing the ability to use it for those brief seconds would remove one of the major advantages of having invested in the waypoint in the first place… being able to get in and defend when things are going to poop. As it is now, keeps still get flipped even with this advantage. All you’d do is make it even more difficult to defend a keep under assault.

pot.6805:

Does it really matter if you are still fighting the servers most comparable to yours?

Of course it does. It means the moment one of us breaks out there will be a series of completely screwed up weeks as the victims unfortunate enough to face the T1 servers get steamrolled, plus there’s the matter of pride the servers that legitimately earned their T1 spots have. How many weeks has JQ been in T1? Every week was fought for and earned, not gifted due to a fluky reset.

Neandramathal.9536:

VOLKON.1290:

Time warp, Mass invis, 5 friendlies max get affected.

Mass Invis affects more than 5, have seen it cloak 9, never tried more.

I’ve used it in crowds, only 5 get the invis.

Altie.4571:

VOLKON.1290:

It’s sad… Jade Quarry has fought our tails off for months to hold onto T1 against some great and worthy competition, probably none more worthy than the two servers we face this week. Yet, based on the old scoring, the three of us are destined for T4, losing our hard fought status to low tier servers that ran over little to no competition. With this system they could bank enough points to hold onto T1 slots they haven’t earned through time for an extended period.

I really hope this is being thought through.

In the post stated by Mike Ferguson he addressed your concern.

They will revise the math so that blowouts are a one week deal. They haven’t posted the formula yet because they are working on a way to do this.

So, If you keep trying you will be back in tier 1 within 2-3 weeks.

I’m more concerned with the fact that we could see SoS, SoR and JQ in T4, for example. These are legitimate T1 servers and there wouldn’t be a blowout. Look at T1 right now, only a couple thousand points at best separate them. How would they progress to T1 if they’re stuck in T4 due to balanced yet incredible fights? Meanwhile a T7 or 8 server pops into T1 undeservedly and never has to go through the real T1 servers to do so.

This brings up an additional problem… if the T1 servers are trapped in T4 for awhile, with paid transfers being the only “out” so to speak you’re trapping many of the top WvW guilds and players way down in the lower tiers. This can’t be by design… it’s just flat out bad for WvW as a whole.

Berserkers and clones require line of sight, that’s already been nerfed.
Time warp, Mass invis, 5 friendlies max get affected.
The pull only pulls towards the line, not to the mesmer. Any little bump in the way will stop a pulled person, and it’s short ranged. We have to run into the line of fire to use it.

Now go roll a mesmer and learn how ill informed you are on the profession. You’ll still have fun and you’ll learn something along the way… it’s a win-win!

EasymodeX.4062:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

SoR should have taken Hills from JQ light years ago , instead they want to take our bay when JQ is trying to take it as well. SoR must be too scared to fight JQ.

Does this qualify for a “2v1” shot?

I mean it’s lunch time; not sure I really want to get tipsy before heading home from work, ya?

Sounds like he may be trying to influence a 2v1 in his favor.

What will be funny is when someone finally breaks out of T4 (under this hypothetical scenario) it’ll likely be a stompfest up to T2, then whatever server is unfortunate enough to get into the vacant T4 slot will be pounded into submission… eventually the three will meet in T2 depending on how much of a point lead the “T1” (quotes intended) servers build up there. We’re potentially looking at a few months of things being screwy until the real T1 servers get back up there which is unfortunate considering how much the three have worked to get / hold their T1 status.

It’s a pity that three servers so closely matched and deserving of T1 status are destined (under the old scoring) for T4, losing this all to a point reset. Unfortunately the servers currently slated for T1 will get there by rolling over little to no competition and bank enough points to sit there awhile.

It’s sad… Jade Quarry has fought our tails off for months to hold onto T1 against some great and worthy competition, probably none more worthy than the two servers we face this week. Yet, based on the old scoring, the three of us are destined for T4, losing our hard fought status to low tier servers that ran over little to no competition. With this system they could bank enough points to hold onto T1 slots they haven’t earned through time for an extended period.

I really hope this is being thought through.

Just need to finish the salvaging, another couple days and that’ll be done.

I have to admit… laurels being added is actually getting me to focus on daily and monthly achievements where before I really didn’t. If I hit one, great, if not I didn’t sweat it. I like the changes.

SoR! I have to admit, this is the first week in quite a bit where I didn’t feel like we were fighting SoS and their lapdogs of the week. That’s not a knock on SoS at all, they’re great opponents also, it just… I don’t know, feels? We’ll go with “feels”… it just feels like you all are more willing than past servers to go ahead and punch SoS in the nose as hard as us, and it’s refreshing. Maybe it’s just a perception thing, but this is one of the better weeks in WvW I’ve seen in quite awhile.

I really hope ANet doesn’t mess up the rankings too badly and break this up too dramatically. If any one of these servers winds up matched with legitimately lower tiered servers it would make for some ugly weeks.

Great fights all! Keep it up!

Amos.8760:

VOLKON.1290:

Interesting tale… has nothing to do with GW2 DEs giving Gold/Silver/Bronze reward levels for participation or the fact that the amount of “work” needing to be done would have scaled up as more people arrived, but interesting. And by interesting, I mean not really interesting at all.

It was in direct response to the OP. I must have missed the part where the lawn grew bigger because additional kids showed up. Anyways, sorry you missed the point

Ah, sorry… the thing was that the OP missed that point which really made his argument look silly. Then when you left that nuance out…

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

Some people just don’t have a clue.
It’s not going to be that far off. That’s probably pretty close to accurate if you just took a few seconds to read the top big blue box.

Perhaps I’m more commenting on the fact the current prediction is a perfect mirror of what is already Tier 1 and not necessarily a comment on MOS? Or how absurd this rank reset really is?

That is a bit crazy. Like I said, it could be a good month or two for things to settle down and servers to be in their actual tier areas again. If anyone thinks these three servers, or any one of them actually, is T4 they’re nuts.

Ascii.9726:

Sorry to bust the OP’s bubble, but i took the time to add up the scores myself and they tell a very different ranking.

The ironic thing is even with your obscure way of awarding points SoS still isn’t the #1 server.

Using a typical point system (3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, 1 point for 3rd per Tier 1 position at the start of the week) the actual ratings are:

Season 1 Winners (29th September – 2nd February)

(1) Jade Quarry – 40 Points
(2) Sea of Sorrows – 31 Points
(3) Stormbluff Isle – 25 Points
(4) Henge of Denravi – 8 Points
(5) Blackgate – 6 Points

Congratz Jade Quarry for being Season 1-US winners!

Wow… 19 weeks in T1 during that span for us on JQ. I love these guys, even when they’re not in first they’re fighting like they want to be.

I think, and I could be wrong on this, that one issue I’ve deluded myself into seeing on JQ is the weekend warrior effect. There will be a sizable amount of players on weekends that are less… serious… about the WvW than the major guilds are. This may or may not be at least some factor in our weekday resilience.

Let’s let them finish up fixing the issues causing the alleged perma-stealth first. It’s a rendering issue when they come out of stealth, and it’s being worked on.

I’ve neither seen or heard of a “leveling server” being dedicated, nor have I seen populations drop anywhere to the level that this would be necessary. There are so many ways to level in this game that you’ll never require a specific place to do so. Heck, I’ve leveled a couple alts up mostly in WvW alone.

bri.2359:

Did my first dungeons runs over the weekend since the ‘fix’…

Our group of 3 rangers, 1 thief and 1 guardian (me) did CoF path 1 with no problems. The rolling stones room a lot easier since the time to light the 3 flames was increased.

Then we tried path 2 …
We could not complete it. We failed the ‘Defend Maggs while planting the bomb’ room. The most we could defend was up to 72% before either we were wiped or the npc died. We tried this at least 6 times with different strategies and nothing worked. One of the party had to leave, so we moved on to AC with another player

All this ‘fix’ will do is further exclude certain classes or class combinations from dungeon runs.

My guild group got CoF2 over the weekend and that part you’re talking about… it took a couple tries, but we got a rhythm and beat it. It took a dedicated “find the assassin” person (helped with killing), one or two dedicated “kill the assassin” people and the rest us running helping on the assassin occasionally but mainly keeping the mobs occupied. I had a blast on my mesmer messing with the mobs… took lots of dancing, moving, shattering, great sword swiping, chaos storms… it wound up a complete blast. It’s doable, you just need a plan.

Amos.8760:

A farmer went out early in the morning to hire workers for his farm. He agreed to pay them a hundred dollars for the day and sent them into his farm to work.

At about nine in the morning he went back out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, ‘You also go and work in my farm, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went.

He went out again at about noon and at about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. At about five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my farm.’

When evening came, the farmer said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

The workers who were hired at about five in the afternoon came and each received a hundred dollars. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a hundred dollars. When they received it, they began to grumble against the farmer. ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a hundred dollars? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

Interesting tale… has nothing to do with GW2 DEs giving Gold/Silver/Bronze reward levels for participation or the fact that the amount of “work” needing to be done would have scaled up as more people arrived, but interesting. And by interesting, I mean not really interesting at all.

GummiBear.2756:

VOLKON.1290:

Dodging should be such an automated response by now that you shouldn’t have to think about it. I got this one yesterday doing the 25 underwater kills killing Inquest in the zone south of L.A.

well if you play a ranged class you usually keep out of reach of melee mobs most the times, and well even more so if you play a mesmer like me 50% of ranged attack either kills my clones, or goes toward my feedback bubble, ie i dont get a dodge, and if they go towards me i dodge before they are close enough to me for the game to register it as a dodge most times, but no i do not personally ahve problems with it, but i can see why some ppl might find it frustrating

I do play a mesmer primarily. I not only dodge ranged attacks, I dodge to create more clones. Sometimes I’ll even dodge because my asura looks like Yoda flipping around when he does.

tigirius.9014:

bigtime.7410:

And that is exactly the motivation behind this thread, people who need help shouldnt be paid as much as people who dont. Its only natural as my example shows.

Yet another example of how FoTM and the gear grind mentality or the dungeoneer leetest mentality is damaging the game’s originaly design. Horizontal was the original goal with this game, I’m sorry people can’t handle that but that’s the truth Nov 15th will be remembered.

Why, what’s Nov. 15th?

Solid Gold.9310:

VOLKON.1290:

Solid Gold.9310:

Not rocket science, you pay the $20 and they share it out between them, because it only took them a fraction of the time to cut the lawn compared to one kiddie doing it.

So many words about a very simple problem !

Not his point… his point is that in GW2 they all get the $20. He forgets that in GW2 his lawn scales up in size to accommodate the extra kids however.

Well can you imagine the posts here if people got a percentage worthy of the effort (or time) they put into an event.

How about 20 bucks and a clip round the ear as a bonus !

Kind of like a Gold, Silver or Bronze level of effort recognition?

Solid Gold.9310:

Not rocket science, you pay the $20 and they share it out between them, because it only took them a fraction of the time to cut the lawn compared to one kiddie doing it.

So many words about a very simple problem !

Not his point… his point is that in GW2 they all get the $20. He forgets that in GW2 his lawn scales up in size to accommodate the extra kids however.

Dodging should be such an automated response by now that you shouldn’t have to think about it. I got this one yesterday doing the 25 underwater kills killing Inquest in the zone south of L.A.

So… what exactly was in Guild Wars that didn’t involve PvP or grinding for new armor or weapon skins? I haven’t played in awhile… don’t recall anything…

Here’s where the OP is screwing things up. With his example, he tells one kids it’s $20 for the lawn. Then the kid has friends help. What he fails to add is that when those other kids showed up the lawn got much bigger so each kid had to do his share of the work.

Real life examples fail in game.

Just think… if we have a close one all week and wind up with only a hundred or two points separating first and last… we can do it again next week! In tier 5…

The orbs were a fun part of it… it’s just that there were enough people that chose to cheat, hack and abuse the system that it was ruined for the rest of us. Hopefully ANet gets a chance to put some nice polish on it and reintroduce it in the future.

Just remember, it doesn’t matter who’d blue, who’s green or who’s red… without all three of us they’d have to throw away the monitor for one that works!

Dungeons, eh? Looks like I’ll be leaving the Borderlands behind for a bit…