This is a bad poll though. Everyone is only envisioning mounts the way they’re done in other games. I’d love to see combat mounts for example that give you new skills. I’d never like to see a flying mount though.
Maybe when you start being fair and actually stop defending ANet 90% of the time.
Vayne, seriously. Tell me how the revelation that ANet is “working” on “stuff” actually helps anything?
Okay, so now we know, beyond the shadow of a doubt (but not really), that ANet is actually working on stuff. We now know that people who say “ANet isn’t actually working on anything” are wrong (maybe). Because someone was given a tour of the ANet buildings and they saw “stuff” going on.
And yet, the perception that ANet is sitting around twiddling their thumbs is going to persist, well past the existence of this thread, because of things like the information blackout the community is still being put through.
You claim that all I want to do is argue, but what about yourself? The only reason I can see for you posting such a thread is so you can jump up and down going “See, see! I was right you guys! ANet is doing things! This other guy says so as well!”
Well, congrats, then, Vayne! You are right and they are wrong! ANet is soooo working on stuff! Huzzah for stuff!
You yourself admitted that the article doesn’t really mean anything, so I wonder why you’re trying so kitten hard to defend it as anything meaningful.
First off, big fan, since the original of Gene and his rational opinions.
Again though, we are back to communications and managing expectations with this thread and the 1000’s of others. While we have facebook and twitter posts trying to promote hype, we still see responses that this is either not enough or they aren’t addressing “insert favorite game mode here” or “bugs” or NPE or Traits or etc…
They push esports, yet the game mode isn’t even close to ready for it. (sorry Josh, but no). Yes, lets pass out 50k (or w/e) to winners of a basically kitten mode, that will help.
They push LS yet people don’t feel enthralled with its “2 week release” schedule, while the dev team scrambles to keep up.
And, well that’s it. this is what we get, people that support the game and have enough inclination to post on the forums, feeedback? Yes kudos on the wardrobe… Kudos on semi challenging content with SilverWastes, yes Kudos on Glints lair. All well received content, now get your faces out of you’re friggen spreadsheets.
We get it Vayne, touting how “look guys they are working on stuff” and you wonder why this is met with skepticism and trolls, shocker…
Please try and be as realistic as you seem to be expecting the nay sayers to be.
I am realistic. Do you even READ these forums.
There are far more unrealistic posts saying the game is dying, no one is playing, Anet has bareliy anyone working there, Anet is working on nothing, than there are people who think an expansion or something of the type is probably coming.
The people I’m replying to, that I posted this to refute, have no evidence at all to back them up. Will you have the bottle to post in their threads and say so, or just my threads because you happen to dislike the direction the game has gone in.
I’m sorry but I recognize bias when I see it. All I did here was post a paragraph from an article that made an aside that refutes dozens of forums posts made in the path months.
I’m not sure why that threatens anyone.
Keep in mind that the reporter may very well know more than is in the article, but have agreed to keep mum as a condition of viewing the “stuff.” So the article can’t be detailed yet remains positive and excited.
Well, since the reporter didn’t actually say anything new, there was no point to the article at all. Beyond, of course, Anet trying to send a message “see? we’re working! Scout’s honor! No, can’t tell you more”. Seriously, if that was all they were going to tell us, there was no reason to invite any journalist. They could have written a post on forums (and actually there was a post like that made by Gaile lately). The effect would have been (and was) the same.
The part I quoted is a tiny aside at the end of a very long article. I certainly didn’t get the impression Anet was telling us this. I got the impression that the author of the article saw a lot of stuff being worked on, heard about stuff he’s not allowed to talk about, and wanted to reassure people that those who are saying that nothing is being worked on are wrong. Or that there are less than fifty people working at Anet.
The point is he didn’t write an article about what I quoted, he added an aside in an article that I found interesting enough to quote.
The people who say these things have no evidence at all. Zero. Zilch. None. Some might well just be trolls. So when someone has a counterpoint, and I produce it, what’s the big deal?
What you are you really trying to defend here? The right of people to say completely ridiculous stuff that they can’t back up at all, or my right to respond to it.
The funny part of this stuff stuff is, there are only three possibilities:
1. ANet has many employees and is very inefficient in producing stuff (which many got the impression from what we get with the LS as content)
2. ANet is using most of its staff to produce an expansion, which is at least a year away (an expansion would need an elder dragon as hype factor and we are still short Mordi, ANet would not release two elder dragons in less than a year)
3. ANet works on a new GW game, rendering GW2 more or less futile.
Pick one, but honestly, all three options suck. Years with near to no new content? AT least another year with near to no new content? Waiting years for GW3?
That stuff really sounds amazing!
First of all, the argument that “another elder dragon” is the only thing you think an expansion could be about is a bad argument.
Why can’t an expansion be about fighting our way to Elona?
Anyway, as my post history is largely positive, your post history has shown your colors. Why should anyone believe someone who doesn’t like the game?
And there are many great adult stories that don’t have any of that. Read some O’Henry short stories like “Gift of the Magi” or “After 20 Years”. They’re adult stories with no sex, violence or death.
In fact, adult stories as well as being dark and be heart warming.
Kids would just see stuff like that and screw up their faces in disgust…but some of us adults like happy endings occasionally.
You need light to balance dark.
As true as that may be, you’re ignoring the fact that the Guild Wars franchise already has violence. Hell, GW1 is far more potent with it’s portrayal of such concepts than it’s successor.
Out of curiosity though, would you care to elaborate on what makes the stories, you cited, adult? Just because you call it adult doesn’t make it so. Please explain.
There are many things that make stories adult stories. In the case of O’Henry, who’s considered one of the great short story writers of all time, it’s about the target audience which was adults. The topics he wrote about wouldn’t generally interests children. We were forced to read some of them in school and I can assure you most of the kids weren’t happy about it.
Adult means just that. It’s a story written for and targeting adults. Guild Wars 2 with it’s teen rating can’t really just target adults, because there are people playing who aren’t adults.
And there are people playing who don’t really read or follow stories all that well.
The violence comment I made was in response to another post. It has nothing to do with whether there is violence in Guild Wars 2 or not. My comment was about whether things like sex and violence are necessary for adult story telling.
I don’t believe they are.
It means nothing – he didn’t even get to see anything then get tied up in the Mother of all disclosure agreements to not release what it was – if that had been the case this thread would have been of marginal interest.
Incidentally Vayne you have a kitten cheek telling people they are ‘off topic’ when pretty much every thread you create or contribute to descends into a semantic argument and ends up having nothing to do with the thread /question at hand, you are a Troll a lot of the time – a more subtle one that some granted – but derailing threads by telling people what they are thinking or what they are thinking is wrong or doesn’t fit your predetermined rules of interaction ( which you yourself break) is still derailing threads by attacking other peoples comments.
stop trolling.
A semantic argument can be on topic. So it’s not cheek to call off topic off topic. I’ve had off topic posts in threads, it’s true. But usually when I’m talking about a semantic argument, it’s because the words used by someone give a false impression and communicate the wrong idea.
I don’t know how pointing out that someone is actually saying something other than what they think they’re saying can possibly be off topic.
Idk if this is the right place to post this….. but…
I need recipes for the ambrite weapons.
Earlier today, I went to Dry Top, helped get it to t4….. realized my geodes were in the bank.
I left to go get them, and returned to a t1 dry top.
I couldn’t get back into to that t4 to save my life.
In that situation, you need to party with someone before you leave, that’s all. Then you can join on them.
Yep DeceiverX’s idea of meaningful content has nothing to do with my idea of meaningful content.
Which is where it all falls apart of course.
I have a great idea. How about you give up everything you currently have on your account and start over to get those extra things? No, huh? lol
People who start MMO’s late are at a disadvantage. We don’t need as many experience boosters most of us have 80s. We don’t need bags, mostly because most of us have bags. New people they’re way behind.
If they want a commander tag it’s not 100 gold it’s 300 gold. Everything is inflated since launch.
Do you really think it’s worth waiting to get that stuff? It’s just another way to ease people into the game who are starting with a modest disadvantage.
Provides an observation by a 3rd party?
Such an observation!
Much stuff!
Many wows!There is no substance to it.
A ton has been said on the subject based on absolutely nothing but gut feels.
And this article does nothing to help sway those gut feels because it has no substance.
Saying that ANet is “working” on “stuff” isn’t saying anything of value.
Like I said its an observation. Doesnt say anything per-se but at least its something to base arguments on.
But as an observation, it doesn’t actually -do- anything. And it says absolutely nothing. It doesn’t -help- the situation or the general toxicity that has enveloped the forums.
But now that we have a 3rd party confirming he saw 100s of employees busy working though reinforces that argument.
“Goody goody gumdrops! ANet is “working” on “stuff”. We can’t say what that “stuff” is, but it’s totally “stuff” and you guys should be super excited for this “stuff”! "
Well, what a motherkittening relief. ANet is “working” on “stuff” because some guy was given a tour of ANet headquarters and saw them working on said “stuff”.
You know who else saw some “stuff” once? A couple guys who were given a tour of the Valve buildings.
Both ANet and Valve are “working” on “stuff”!
Half Guild Life Wars 3 confirmed, you guys!
Anet: “Guys, we are working on stuff”
Haters: “We don’t believe you”
Outside source: “I went to Anet, I can confirm they are working on stuff”
Haters: “We don’t believe you”
Hypothetical more sources go: “We too can confirm they are working on stuff”
Haters: “Well, none of us went, so you ALL must be in a conspiracy to keep up the charade that Anet is doing stuff!”I’ve given up on trying to argue with those people. There is no point. They hate the game, they bash the game, its all they do. Anet could come out with an expansion that could be held as the greatest thing ever in the MMO community, and they will still trash it. There is no winning.
ANet: Hey guys, we’re working on stuff!
White Knights: See guys! They’re working on stuff!
“Haters”: But what is this “stuff”? What is it you’re actually doing?
ANet: We can’t say, but it’s totally cool stuff! STUFF! SO MUCH STUFF!
“Haters”: That’s not actually telling us anything, thou-
White Knights: OMG YOU GUYS STOP HATING ON ANET. HOW COULD YOU!
“Haters”: We don’t hate the game, we actually love it and have become disillusioned by a lack of meaningful communication and not knowing what ANet actually has plann-
ANet: STUUUUUFFFFF!!!!!! SO MUCH STUUUUUUUFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!! AND IT’S SO AWESOME THAT WE CAN’T ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT’S JUST THAT COOL!
White Knights: SEE! SEE! IT’S STUFF YOU GUYS! STUFF! STUFF HAS NEVER GONE WRONG!
It’s funny, you know. There’s absolutely no substance to people who say Anet isn’t working on anything, and that they’re not talking because they have nothing to talk about, but I don’t see you getting into those comments and saying they don’t have substance.
That smacks of bias.
If you’re going to complain about lack of substance, be fair and complain about lack of substance on both sides.
If you don’t, then your comments about lack of substance lack substance.
Again, that whole darker means better attitude is being brought up. Try to ignore that, it only eludes the actual problem.
It’s a fair assessment though. Arguably, some of best adult stories have all kinds of sex, violence etc. Yet that’s not the inherent point of it. It’s not about shock value. A good adult story has those elements due to character development or even atmosphere. It’s meant to progress a mental state that ultimately gives opportunity for profound thought. I suppose part of the problem is the fear of having those thoughts. People not wanting to see any value from those situations, hence why a David Fincher film won’t be exceeding that new comic book adaptation in box office anytime soon. =P
In seriousness, the core of GW2’s faults stems from what others already mentioned – the lack of impact. Everyone appears so benign and nonchalant about the supposedly intense elements. The gravity of those events are taken with a grain of salt, which ultimately means GW2 has work to do.
And there are many great adult stories that don’t have any of that. Read some O’Henry short stories like “Gift of the Magi” or “After 20 Years”. They’re adult stories with no sex, violence or death.
In fact, adult stories as well as being dark and be heart warming.
Kids would just see stuff like that and screw up their faces in disgust…but some of us adults like happy endings occasionally.
You need light to balance dark.
There’s a certain type of immersion that can happen no matter what you’re doing. You can get immersed in anything. But games have too many balls to juggle to be as immersive as other forms of storytelling.
Maybe GW2 and MMORPGs aren’t the best examples. But taking control of and/ or help characters in battle, being able to equip and customise them, and chatting with them, while at your own pace, with a great soundtrack on the background, and inside an artistically and mechanically enjoyable world, leads to a very immersive experience. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, among other single-player rpg franchises/ games, are generally great examples of that.
Sure, but single player games have less balls to juggle. If you want to compare single player games with MMOs go right ahead. But then I’ll just point out that Final Fantasy XIV is not nearly as immersive as many other Final Fantasy products and ESO is certainly not as immersive as many of the other Elder Scrolls products, and I’m pretty sure most people don’t find SWToR more immersive than most of Bioware’s products. Are you beginning to see a pattern here?
And I’ve been very immersed in many games, and to me, none of them can touch a book for immersion.
At the manufacturing plant I work at, we sometimes get potential customers coming through on tours. Companies that are thinking of doing business with us send someone to take a look around, usually there’s a group of them.
We generally know when they are coming, and we’re told to make sure the place looks extra good when they’re there. Their perceptions of the place do not always match the reality, because we’re trying to hide the normal chaos and we make sure everyone looks busy.
So, having someone come along and say “I went to ANet, and they sure looked busy!” when they can’t even tell WHAT they were supposedly busy doing doesn’t do much for me. They didn’t get to see what it’s really like, they just got the show that ANet put on for them.
Saying you can’t talk about what’s going on is not the same thing exactly as not knowing what they’re doing though. I’m sure he doesn’t have specifics, but clearly he knows something he’s not allowed to talk about.
You have to read all the lines to interpret what’s being said, not just the ones that back up your point of view.
And yes, the guy hasn’t said anything that Anet hasn’t said,
Then what worth is the article?
but having someone not in Anet say it, to me anyway, is at least a bit better than just Anet saying it.
How? Honestly, how? Nothing of substance has actually been stated in the article, or by ANet.
Of substance is a funny word. People keep ignoring what I’m saying. One would almost think they’re trying to start a fight. To simplify:
1. On more than one occasion I’ve seen people on this forum insist Anet isn’t saying anything because they’re not working on anything.
2. A writer from a website goes to Anet. He sees the same comments I do and comments on them.
3. I share the article because he commented on them, and I’ve had some of the same thoughts..but not the benefit of having visited Anet.
Three quarters of what’s said on this forum has less substance than this. You’re only actually replying to this because it says something you don’t agree with.
It’s not proof of anything. But I’d rather take this guy at his word than a random forum poster who’d never been to Anet.
And if people don’t know about the article, they might be inclined to believe something said on the forums a few times, even though there’s nothing to base it on.
But the new zones are actually new zones, not just Living Story. You can run Orr without doing the personal story. No one claims Orr is the personal story, even though it very much centers around what’s going on in the personal story.
It’s the same with Drytop and the Silverwastes. They’re zones with events, things you can craft, areas you can explore, achievements you can get…all of which having nothing to do with the living story except as a setting.
I don’t know why people talk about Living Story and completely ignore the fact that there are two new zones.
Trying to turn it into something it’s not, on the other hand, could be construed to be unreasonable.
Well, it’s most certainly not providing any kind of information, unless third-party repetition/re-wording of the company’s PR can be considered information, or news.
Like I mentioned earlier, it’s nothing more than further stringling along, but this time originating from a supposedly “neutral” external source (yea…) as to give it extra credibility.
Partial or not, the guy isn’t telling anything more than the company itself had said so far, while retaining the same kind of enthusiasm (making the whole thing even more suspect).It’s providing a link to an article on a gaming site. That’s information in and of itself. It’s not meant to be law. It’s meant to be an indication of something.
And yes, the guy hasn’t said anything that Anet hasn’t said, but having someone not in Anet say it, to me anyway, is at least a bit better than just Anet saying it.
A lot of people don’t believe it when Anet says it. So a guy not actually employed by Anet might be a better source for those people. I’m not sure I see that the problem is here.
This post is a textbook example of the ‘talk a lot, but say absolutely nothing’ rhetoric, and I trust any and every sensible reader can and will discern at least as much.
And the sole reason this thread has not yet been closed is because it’s an attempt to promote the game.
I also agree with phys’ above post – the bias is inherent, intended or not, and as such oughts being pointed out clearly.
It says plenty. You don’t like what it says so you try, as you often do, to make it seem like I’m not saying anything.
But the truth is, you’ve been against the game and strongly vocal about it since two months after launch. If everything I say as someone who enjoys and plays the game must be taken with a grain of salt, the same would apply to what you say.
I think it’s entirely possible that the author of that article has seen the same spurious claims by the same people and thought he might throw that out there, because it’s just as ridiculous to him as it is to me.
It’s also possible the author wrote a puff-piece in exchange for a visit to ANet headquarters and some cool GW2 swag. Such occurrences are not uncommon in video game journalism.
As for what people meant, some of those posts were pretty kitten ed clear. People claiming less than 50 people work at Anet can’t be taken as hyperbole. There are enough of those kinds of posts where sharing this doesn’t seem that bad to me.
I said most were using hyperbole. It’s certainly possible there are a few unreasonable people who legitimately believe ANet isn’t’ working on anything but the Living Story. But unreasonable people are, by definition, unreasonable. So what good does it do to “stand up to” them?
If you don’t like that I shared it, you don’t have to comment in the thread. It’s not constructive.
Ah, “agree with me or get out”. I see. Not constructive, indeed.
It’s not constructive. I shared something that I thought was interesting by someone who had a least some respectability.
Yes, he COULD be an Anet shill. You could be a Blizzard shill. But it’s information in an article that I shared.
Now, this is in response to those people and it’s been more than a couple, that have posted that the game has no updates coming that, or that there’s no one working there.
Surely that’s not unreasonable.
Trying to turn it into something it’s not, on the other hand, could be construed to be unreasonable.
its not exactly like he is a paid shill, but the entire point of the colum he is writing is to discuss the cool things in GW. Someone who takes on this job is basically going to be very optimistic, and thats what they are expected to write. Both of the former writers got jobs at anet.
He is noy really a journalist, he is a writer, and his job is to talk about the cool going ons of arenanets flgship game. Bias is inherent.
Bias can be inherent but that doesn’t justify adding an aside to a story about something else completely. He didn’t have to add that.
What blows my mind is people who have issues with the game absolutely refuse to believe people can like the game or genuinely be excited about it without working for Anet or having bias.
It’s no better than calling people mindless fan boys.
Everyone is biased all the time about everything. That doesn’t mean that they don’t speak the truth.
Matter of opinion. Not even the best game, to me, is as immersive as a good book. And no game, in my opinion, can touch a great book.
I’m not even sure most games can equal really good movies for immersion, because there’s almost always something stupid happening in a game, having nothing to do with the writing.
This is particularly true of MMORPGs.
By immersive, I meant about being inside the world and interacting with it. Obviously, quality has a huge factor in it. But you can have a decent/ mediocre story (by book standards) in a game to rival the level fo immersion a good book can offer, as long as the gameplay (and how it interacts with the soundtrack, graphics, story, etc) is successful at making you feel inside the world and care about the characters.
You should read Leah Hoyer’s interview…it’s still on the first page…if you haven’t already. She says some things I’ve already pointed out on the forums a few times (like lore not being story). But more than that, she goes on to say the problems with telling stories in games that both TV and movies don’t have and by extension that would apply to books too.
Games have mechanics. Things have to happen in games for the benefit of the game. Boss fights for instance, are scripted and repetitive, in just about all MMOs. Certainly all the MMORPGs I’ve played.
If a guy in a book repeated “Your weakness makes me sick” over and over again it would be ridiculous. In the fractals, it’s an audio cue that the boss has come down again. It’s definitely not immersive, but it’s part of the game.
There’s a certain type of immersion that can happen no matter what you’re doing. You can get immersed in anything. But games have too many balls to juggle to be as immersive as other forms of storytelling.
As I said, read the interview it touches on that (and it’s interesting anyway).
Trying to turn it into something it’s not, on the other hand, could be construed to be unreasonable.
Well, it’s most certainly not providing any kind of information, unless third-party repetition/re-wording of the company’s PR can be considered information, or news.
Like I mentioned earlier, it’s nothing more than further stringling along, but this time originating from a supposedly “neutral” external source (yea…) as to give it extra credibility.
Partial or not, the guy isn’t telling anything more than the company itself had said so far, while retaining the same kind of enthusiasm (making the whole thing even more suspect).
It’s providing a link to an article on a gaming site. That’s information in and of itself. It’s not meant to be law. It’s meant to be an indication of something.
And yes, the guy hasn’t said anything that Anet hasn’t said, but having someone not in Anet say it, to me anyway, is at least a bit better than just Anet saying it.
A lot of people don’t believe it when Anet says it. So a guy not actually employed by Anet might be a better source for those people. I’m not sure I see that the problem is here.
“Games aren’t books.”
No, they aren’t. Books/ words use and work out your imagination. Games put you right into the world, and allows you to interact with that world and its characters in an enjoyable way.
Gaming is the most immersive form of storytelling. We, as gamers, have all the rights to wish for quality storytelling in this medium.
Matter of opinion. Not even the best game, to me, is as immersive as a good book. And no game, in my opinion, can touch a great book.
I’m not even sure most games can equal really good movies for immersion, because there’s almost always something stupid happening in a game, having nothing to do with the writing.
This is particularly true of MMORPGs.
So far I’ve run the most recent chapter on a Necro, a Ranger and a guard. No real problem with any of it.
It’s the same in every game, except maybe not Dulfy. Welcome to the age of spood fed entertainment.
I think it’s entirely possible that the author of that article has seen the same spurious claims by the same people and thought he might throw that out there, because it’s just as ridiculous to him as it is to me.
It’s also possible the author wrote a puff-piece in exchange for a visit to ANet headquarters and some cool GW2 swag. Such occurrences are not uncommon in video game journalism.
As for what people meant, some of those posts were pretty kitten ed clear. People claiming less than 50 people work at Anet can’t be taken as hyperbole. There are enough of those kinds of posts where sharing this doesn’t seem that bad to me.
I said most were using hyperbole. It’s certainly possible there are a few unreasonable people who legitimately believe ANet isn’t’ working on anything but the Living Story. But unreasonable people are, by definition, unreasonable. So what good does it do to “stand up to” them?
If you don’t like that I shared it, you don’t have to comment in the thread. It’s not constructive.
Ah, “agree with me or get out”. I see. Not constructive, indeed.
It’s not constructive. I shared something that I thought was interesting by someone who had a least some respectability.
Yes, he COULD be an Anet shill. You could be a Blizzard shill. But it’s information in an article that I shared.
Now, this is in response to those people and it’s been more than a couple, that have posted that the game has no updates coming that, or that there’s no one working there.
Surely that’s not unreasonable.
Trying to turn it into something it’s not, on the other hand, could be construed to be unreasonable.
I hope those of you who say this thread is pointless (which should be against forum rules anyway), would have the bottle to stand up the next time someone says Anet isn’t working on anything but the Living Story and point out that we at least have annecdotal evidence that that’s not true.
However, I strongly suspect those who say this thread is pointless will never do that.
Why would anyone waste time responding to those claiming ANet isn’t working on anything but Living Story? Most people doing so are using hyperbole. They know ANet is working other things; the “New items in the Gem Shop!” every single Tuesday is proof enough of this. “Standing up to these people” is frivolous, and it usually degrades into an “us” vs “them” argument.
Sorta makes you think, don’kitten
What really makes me think is that this game is in such a state that the developers earnestly thought the knowledge that “they’re working on stuff” would somehow be a panacea to the legitimate griefs some have with the game or the developers’ stance and/or communicating with their customers.
I think it’s entirely possible that the author of that article has seen the same spurious claims by the same people and thought he might throw that out there, because it’s just as ridiculous to him as it is to me.
As for what people meant, some of those posts were pretty kitten ed clear. People claiming less than 50 people work at Anet can’t be taken as hyperbole. There are enough of those kinds of posts where sharing this doesn’t seem that bad to me.
If you don’t like that I shared it, you don’t have to comment in the thread. It’s not constructive.
I hope those of you who say this thread is pointless (which should be against forum rules anyway), would have the bottle to stand up the next time someone says Anet isn’t working on anything but the Living Story and point out that we at least have annecdotal evidence that that’s not true.
However, I strongly suspect those who say this thread is pointless will never do that. Sorta makes you think, don’kitten
I will stand up right now and point out that we have anecdotal evidence that Elvis survived his demise and is still out there, somewhere, gyrating. Now pass me that bottle. A couple more slugs and maybe we’ll see Bogey. Here’s looking at you, kid.
I’m not sure how you can continue to be this disingenuous. This is a guy writing for a game site that as to my recollection has always been fairly reputable. Comparing Elvis sitings by strangers to this doesn’t really do the situation, or you, any kind of justice at all.
And you know, a lot of people saw Elvis’s body.
The people claiming Anet isn’t working on anything have absolutely nothing to go on.
I’m positive that’s against the terms of service.
Everyone, except for the absolutely tiny minority of players who are happy with the objectively lethargic output of content by ANet, agrees with you.
Or so you say. Except there’s no real evidence of this. I wonder how many players think there’s too much to do? Or not enough time to do everything they want.
I hope those of you who say this thread is pointless (which should be against forum rules anyway), would have the bottle to stand up the next time someone says Anet isn’t working on anything but the Living Story and point out that we at least have annecdotal evidence that that’s not true.
However, I strongly suspect those who say this thread is pointless will never do that. Sorta makes you think, don’kitten
I hope there is 50% off on Character slots !!! Time to make some alts ^^
Character slot expansions are on sale right now for another 22 hours. They’re not likely to get cheaper than they are now.
Hope you see this before they go off sale.
Really did’nt see that , wonder if I should take my chances and hope they are on sale the weekend or buy a few more gems with gold since I only have 400 atm ^^
Well, this is one time I’m not going to offer advice, for fear of being wrong. I guess it depends on how bad you want the slots, though.
I’m not sure how much cash we’re talking about, or what you’re financial situation is…only you can make that choice.
I hope there is 50% off on Character slots !!! Time to make some alts ^^
Character slot expansions are on sale right now for another 22 hours. They’re not likely to get cheaper than they are now.
Hope you see this before they go off sale.
Why did I even click this thread?
I honestly don’t know.
If they weren’t working on “stuff” that would mean they would shut down their business in the next few weeks.
Whats the freakin sense of this topic? Making fun of people who were waiting for 2 years to actually get some real content next to simplistic and linear LW fragments that barely tell anything and always end up grinding stuff nobody needs, like the 5th back piece?
I honestly laughed out loudly when I read the first Post.
I mean, what are you thinking? That is literally a worse topic than any of the mount begging ones. Like completly useless. You might just consider closing it.
But I’m not consider closing it, because it being useless is your opinion…which you’re entitled to. I don’t find it useless and others don’t either.
Unless you’re denying that people have claimed Anet doesn’t have that many employees and there’s a tiny team just working on the living story and nothing else, then your comments are pretty much out of order.
The comments aren’t useless, you’re just feeling slighted because you think it’s aimed at your legitimate grievances. It’s not.
It’s aimed at people who are saying (and there have been more than a few) that Anet isn’t working on anything.
And because people say that, I’m perfectly entitled to post this.
“Adult” doesn’t have to mean grimdark sex and violence. It just has to assume the person ingesting the story is not an idiot and can handle multiple threads.
You’ve hit the nail on the head right there. Games aren’t novels and many game players aren’t readers and Anet has to make a story for everyone…or at least as many people as they can reach. I’ve brought this analogy up before, but I’ll repeat it here, because it applies.
On stage, you have to overact. Why? Because there’s no cameras for a close up and many people are sitting quite far away. Too far away to read the nuances of facial expression.
William Shatner on the original Star Trek is known for his over acting, but that’s partly due to his time traveling with a Shakespearean stage company.
The writers have to reach people who read AND people who don’t read. It’s not as easy as it sounds.
What you call adult writing isn’t adult writing at all. It’s writing for an audience. One of the first things I ever wrote was pretty bad…until you took into account who I wrote it for. It was pretty much made for that audience. To this day it remains my least favorite thing I’ve written. And to this day, there are people who still like it and remind me they like it.
Writers write to spec, at least good writers do. They can’t write more than most people can handle who don’t read often….or they’ll lose more people than they need to.
If you want a book, read a book. You’re not really going to find that writing in an MMO.
I’ve tried almost every MMO out there, and the only one that’s come close to “adult” writing is TSW in my opinion. And for that purpose it plays much like a single player game.
Profession does have a lot to do with it. I do better on Warriors, Guardians, Rangers than I do on Necros and Engies (probably because I’m not as proficient with them).
Well, good thing they are keeping everything under wraps. I mean, at least when they finally release an expansion, if they ever do, they can say “Even though 70% of our player base has already left and will not return, we didn’t let them down by communicating.” By not communicating, they essentially keep from having to deal with deadlines. If we don’t know about it, we can’t get disappointed right?
I don’t think 70% of the player base cares whether they communicate or not. I doubt 20% do. And of that 20% I doubt that most people will leave and not come back.
There are a few who might, just as some left over the ascended gear introduction. Shrugs.
Business as usual.
This kind of poll is truly meaningless. Just the fact that a game like Eve Online doesn’t even show up, but a game that’s not an MMORPG that’s not even in beta yet like Landmark tells me all I need to know.
Complete waste of time.
There is no doubt anet is working on “stuff”. Every business has to work on “stuff” so that the company’s assets are not wasted. What people want is the delivery of said “stuff” and without it players can assume that no stuff is being worked on because no stuff is to be had.
Just because one person says “they are working on stuff” from pure observation does not entirely prove that they are actually working on stuff. Just putting that out there.
Of course it doesn’t “prove it”.
But it sure makes it less likely that they’re not working on stuff, which some people seem to say.
Grasping at straws, this thread is~
Pointing out a comment in an article that a journalist felt should be made is grasping at straws.
I think the people who want to see this game sink are the ones grasping at straws. Five years from now, when they game is still fine, people will be telling us it’s dying.
So far, there hasn’t been an MMO released since Guild Wars 2 has been released that has been as successful. Maybe there’s a reason for that.
As for why Anet are so tight lipped? because the community forced the, to.
Oh? In that case, come on, community! Let’s use our community force powers to get ’em to rollback the trait system redesign and NPE. ;D
Ahem.
Nope. No one ‘forced’ them to clam up. The powers that be at anet chose that policy. However illogical and detrimental it may be, it’s entirely self-inflicted.
On a more personal note, personally, I think it might be fun to play a DiMera.
Long before the trait redesign and the NPE this community has had a strong toxic element. I think it probably started pretty much from the second month when ascended gear was released.
Some people who left the game then are still commenting on the forums now. Still trying to wear down the game because they feel let down. Even if they don’t play the game and don’t really know any better.
Anet didn’t make this decision because of the trait revamp. They made it, more likely because of the reaction to their change in precursor crafting.
Anet could have handled that situation a lot better in my opinion.
Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:
- creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
- daily Elvis lookalike contests
- playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
- mounted precursor dueling
- bunny juggling
- turtle races
- redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning
So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.
It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.
Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.
Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.
But people have said that. This is the answer to that.
Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.
Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.
In your opinion. However since I made the first post, and I say his post pretty much ignores my point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
My post doesn’t have the problems he’s pointing out because the issues with it he has have nothing to do with my intention.
we are all entitled to our opinions…
you are entitled to disagree, but his/her post was relevant and interrelated to the topic at hand and didn’t warrant a “relevancy” tag.
Which doesn’t change anything I’ve said one whit. It still doesn’t apply to what I was saying, relevant or not.
I don’t know anyone who’s against new skills.
The point of this topic, simply put, is to stop people from saying that Anet isn’t announcing anything because they’re not working on anything.
If you want to say Anet doesn’t listen to you that’s perfectly fine. I don’t listen to people all the time either, because I have my own ideas. I listen to people who give me suggestions that fit the ideas I already had, but not people who don’t really understand where I’m coming from (of which there are many).
Anet listens to some people and not to others, because some people have better ideas than others, some people are more attuned to what the game was designed to be than others and some people suggest things that are too hard to program or too expensive to implement.
I think whether or not Anet listens to or doesn’t listen to people is off topic here.
But if people are saying that Anet really isn’t working on anything, and there are only a few people working there, well, this is their answer.
I don’t know why any new information would be pointless, unless of course you’re scared of what that information suggests.
your post will not stop players from communicating their thoughts and feelings. anet leaves most players no choice but to speculate because of the lack of transparency. your op and the quote do nothing except create more speculation and controversy.
question time… why do you think anet is so tight lipped about development while other games are more transparent through public testing realms and communicate openly about potential or in the works development?
I’m sure people will keep saying anything, but there are reasonable people out there reading this post who can now more easily dismiss those claims. Obviously something is being worked on, unless this journalist is lying.
So people might see people say that and shrug and move on…because now there’s something to show as a counterpoint (as opposed to just logic which worked before for some). This should help others make more educated decisions about posts that pretty much make stuff up.
Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:
- creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
- daily Elvis lookalike contests
- playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
- mounted precursor dueling
- bunny juggling
- turtle races
- redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning
So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.
It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.
Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.
Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.
But people have said that. This is the answer to that.
Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.
Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.
In your opinion. However since I made the first post, and I say his post pretty much ignores my point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
My post doesn’t have the problems he’s pointing out because the issues with it he has have nothing to do with my intention.
The point of this topic, simply put, is to stop people from saying that Anet isn’t announcing anything because they’re not working on anything.
If you want to say Anet doesn’t listen to you that’s perfectly fine. I don’t listen to people all the time either, because I have my own ideas. I listen to people who give me suggestions that fit the ideas I already had, but not people who don’t really understand where I’m coming from (of which there are many).
Anet listens to some people and not to others, because some people have better ideas than others, some people are more attuned to what the game was designed to be than others and some people suggest things that are too hard to program or too expensive to implement.
I think whether or not Anet listens to or doesn’t listen to people is off topic here.
But if people are saying that Anet really isn’t working on anything, and there are only a few people working there, well, this is their answer.
I don’t know why any new information would be pointless, unless of course you’re scared of what that information suggests.
Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:
- creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
- daily Elvis lookalike contests
- playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
- mounted precursor dueling
- bunny juggling
- turtle races
- redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning
So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.
It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.
Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.
Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.
But people have said that. This is the answer to that.
Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.
So a few of us white knight types have been saying for a while that Anet is working on stuff and a few of you not so white knight types have been saying Anet isn’t showing us anything because they don’t have anything to show. Enter this article:
The article itself is what it is, but there’s one bit of it that I’ll quote here:
“Although I’m bound by blood oath not to discuss any specifics (it’s a Necromancer thing), I can say with certainty that, yes, ArenaNet is working on stuff. It is working very kitten stuff. There is no internal catastrophe or barren office lurking behind the studio’s policy of limited communication as some fans have feared. There are a lot of highly organized developers there doing things I was mostly not allowed to see up close because there are probably nuclear fallout shelters less secure than ANet HQ. But it’s safe to say that they didn’t pull together hundreds of people and tell them to look very busy and enthusiastic and excited about their game just because I happened to be in the vicinity.”
Now of course, this really means nothing. It’s one man saying he saw something at the studios when he was there, that he’s not allowed to talk about. But it was being done.
The same stuff a lot of us have been saying. He’s saying straight out the fans who say Anet doesn’t have plans in the background are incorrect.
I suppose time will tell, but it’s what I’ve always believed.
I’d have to see the post. I certainly don’t believe 7 million copies of Guild Wars 2 have been sold. If the search function worked, I’d look for it, but it’s just not worth it at this point.
Last info puts main game sales at 4 million, and China sales at 3 million, so it has actually passes 7 mil total. While current main game sales are unknown (the 4 mil info is a bit outdated), Chinese info is more recent – and unlikely to change much, seeing as Kong Zhong is mentioning that “the number of players has stabilized” which is a PR speak of “the game is not selling well anymore”.
I haven’t seen 3 million sales total in China, only a certain number of “accounts created” which is a bit different. I’m pretty sure it was worded in such a way as to include people who get free beta invites for example.
I never saw a sales figure announced for China.
This is brilliant. Hope you do well with it!
More important is that the profits of the game/company are quote in Korean currency because it’s a Korean company. Now, money a game makes in US and EU currency, which is most of the money of Guild Wars 2, has to go through changes to get to the currency of the game. A year ago, Won was weaker against the US dollar so the exchange rate was smaller. Now the Won is stronger and so the exchange rate is weaker…and yes that figures heavily into profit.
Which means even if there was a 25% decreased year on year (there wasn’t, it was less than that) almost half that decrease comes down to global exchange rates, rather than how much the game was taking in.
Sorry if off topic, but where are those numbers coming from? I see KRW 1% stronger at 31st dec 2013 vs prior year against $ (and 4% weaker vs euro). Does NCSoft have a non-December year end?
It was down quarter year to year. So you have to look at the same month in both years. The math was done in another thread by someone who has more experience in finance than I did.
52 here and my wife plays as well. I have a couple of people in my guild in their sixties and many of us are over 40.