Guild Wars 2

Actually I think this thread has run it’s course. Moderators feel free to close it. It’s just devolved into a circular argument.

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

Sure, except this is “less baseless” in my mind than what others are saying.

Yes. In your mind. It seems there are people that disagree with you on that point.

And that’s fine. It’s okay to disagree. But if those same people are going to point out every time they don’t agree with me, because what I’m saying has no real evidence to back it up, those same people should do it to other people to. Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

…well, you are acting exactly that way, so yes, i do see a hypocrisy here. Perhaps it wasn’t the hypocrisy you looked for, though.

Actually I’m posting something I believe does make a difference, if you recall. You’re the one posting only in threads who see things differently, even though you well know that the people saying those things have no evidence at all.

I think we can let people make up their own minds, but don’t pretend you’re being fair on this point. If you were fair, you’d make comments in threads that lack evidence whether they agree with your assessment or they don’t.

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

Sure, except this is “less baseless” in my mind than what others are saying.

Yes. In your mind. It seems there are people that disagree with you on that point.

And that’s fine. It’s okay to disagree. But if those same people are going to point out every time they don’t agree with me, because what I’m saying has no real evidence to back it up, those same people should do it to other people to. Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

I don’t think Vayne has a point, I don’t believe this means anything. But most people agree that other people’s posts don’t mean anything…but they don’t say it. They say it to me.

If you don’t agree with me, that’s okay. But have the courtesy to apply the same rules and standards to everyone. Otherwise, you’re just picking and choosing to attack someone who’s don’t nothing worse than people you’re ignoring.

Tao.5096:

ArcheAge Best MMO!

I heard everyone was leaving this game to play Archeage. It must be true. I read it on the forums.

I know both my sons stopped playing already and requested refunds. lol

darkace.8925:

Vayne.8563:

What this guy says has AT LEAST as much meaning as what others are saying. Do you go into the threads of people who say unsubstantiated negative stuff and tell them that they’re wrong for doing that? No.

You come into the thread of someone trying to provide some balance and say I’m wrong for doing it.

Baseless optimism doesn’t counter baseless pessimism. Baseless optimism is the mirror image of baseless pessimism, not the polar opposite. It’s the same thing reversed, not a balance a at the other end of a scale.

Sure, except this is “less baseless” in my mind than what others are saying. Do you correct them and tell them that their baseless comments are baseless. No. You don’t. You correct me, because you kitten the game differently.

If their comments are as baseless as mine, correct them too. Or stop correcting me. It really is very sound logic.

Tachenon.5270:

Said it before, will say it again: since pretty much every major update to the game they’ve made since launch has been the philosophical opposite of what I’d hoped they would do, they’re probably working on some scheme to raise the level cap, whereby to ‘expand’ the parameters of our characters and the game, because they’ve misinterpreted something somewhere because ‘I looked at a metric, hey! I looked at a metric again!’, and they’re probably making a right royal mess of it even as we speak.

Well, it’s the weekend, so maybe not right this instant.

And another thing. Even with the trait system redesign and NPE, leveling new characters is still not tedious and boring enough, so they’re probably working on altering it so that before one can level up, one must collect 10,000 level up tokens per level previously attained and also craft three certificates of leveling (triplicate!) from ascended parchment to be turned in to a level trainer found in each race’s city zone.

This will give players a greater feeling of progression, you see.

Yeah. That’s the sort of stuff I’ve been conditioned in two and a half years of GW2 to expect from anet.

And this is why we’re always at odds. I’m reasonably sure any game you liked a lot, I’d probably hate. Anet can’t please everyone. They can’t really even try to please everyone. If you try to please everyone, no one is happy.

I do understand that the direction of the game, in some ways anyway, has changed from launch. But most of those changes are changes I actually like, including most of the NPE.

We’re not at odds because I’m a mindless fan boy. We’re at odds because you and I want completely different games.

Mavis.1463:

Vayne.8563:

Mavis.1463:

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Metaphors aside.
I’m willing to drop money on games that deliver content, this game is doing the exact opposite, so I will take my money elsewhere.

There’s a game with a far more active community, more players, it delivers content on a steady, constant basis and the developers actually listen to the community.

See that’s my problem. I’d love to find a game that delivers content that I like. This is it. There isn’t another and I’ve tried them all.

I’d love to find a game I like that delivers more content than Anet. But there isn’t one.

Actually, I was referring to FF14.

Tried it and hated it. Literally hated it. I wanted to tear my eyeballs out in that leveling system. At any rate, since I don’t care about dungeons and raids, that game to me is pretty much useless. The combat feels dated to me too.

There are other MMOs I might have liked, if it weren’t for specific design decisions but that MMO in particular is just not me.

Did Rift break 100 votes yet? lol

Mavis.1463:

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Metaphors aside.
I’m willing to drop money on games that deliver content, this game is doing the exact opposite, so I will take my money elsewhere.

There’s a game with a far more active community, more players, it delivers content on a steady, constant basis and the developers actually listen to the community.

See that’s my problem. I’d love to find a game that delivers content that I like. This is it. There isn’t another and I’ve tried them all.

I’d love to find a game I like that delivers more content than Anet. But there isn’t one.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Mavis.1463:

saalle.4623:

I do believe that 2015 will be big year for Gw2

Yeah, you don’t get to attend a funeral very often.

While I don’t think GW2 will die, it will porbably stay in a coma.

People said that 2014 would be a great year for GW2 in 2013, but you gotta like getting kicked in the teeth after a falcon punch if you liked the development of GW2 and think 2014 was great for this game.

To each their own. But if it is less that you want, you are probably right with GW2.

It can’t stay in a coma, since it’s not in one now. You know, this is the kind of hyperbole I’m specifically talking about. A coma means no fuctions. You may not like the living story, but it’s still coming out. There’s a PvP update coming in December 2nd.

The state of the game may very well not be to your liking, but it’s not in a coma. And saying so makes me question everything else you have to say.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

Actually this thread isn’t an I told you so thread. You really don’t get it?

This writer felt that people are talking nonsense. He felt strongly enough about it to add it as an aside to an article about something else. Now it’s not just me, it’s me and that author. Because if he didn’t hear those things, there would be no reason at all to add that aside.

Me pointing this out to the forums is just giving them more information for each person to do what they want with.

People who have decided stuff already, those people are NOT going to change their minds. Karla Gray isn’t going to start a Guild Wars 2 fan club. But those aren’t the people that this is aimed at. There are people who haven’t made up their minds. Who don’t know. Who would like more information even if it’s not definite information.

If Anet were providing us this information this writer wouldn’t have had to write this. Anet isn’t. And since he wrote it, I thought I’d share it.

Still not sure what your problem with that is.

OK, just a last gasp attempt you help you see the error of your misinformed assumption.

I accept that what you have read has a grain of meaning to you and quite honestly I am glad it makes you feel all warm and cuddly about the future.

Yes there are people who always take a “its rubbish, its dying” point of view in any MMO.. why, because an MMO won’t ever be all things to all men/women.

My issue is that you seem to want to throw out the opinion that what this journo apparently saw and wrote has some kind of meaning, some evidence and its big news that will alter opinion, and sway others to “the future looks bright”… in fact it does nothing to help anyone make an informed decision, it holds no substance to suggest that anything this person saw has any relevance to GW2 at all.

Read through the responses, I don’t see anyone thinking this means anything to anyone, why?.. because as I have already said “no one thinks ANET is doing nothing”.
Those forums posts you feel you need to try and silence and defend against are not actually saying ANET are “doing nothing”… cmon, please we all know they must be working on something.. its not like every 2 weeks they have to make a LS chapter up and run with it.. those kind of things are worked on months prior and the stuff the journo apparently saw, if relevant to GW2 at all “might” at some point enter into the game … even that cake menu perhaps (we have apple pie already)

All you have actually done is try to counter the arguments that the game is dying, ANET won’t speak to us about the future content, with some random person stating they saw ANET working on stuff… so welcome to the "Overated Opinion Club, a place where people can promote non informed information as fact, assume everything and anything is fact and feel that what means something to YOU “MUST” mean the same to everyone else we are wrong if it doesn’t… please enjoy the club facilities while your with us.

Look bottom line Vayne, whit and joke aside, many of us admire your support of the game and likely we all hold out some shred of hope that there is something big in the pipeline, though to be honest I am happy with being drip fed content on a schedule like we currently get.
In fact my personal view is 2 weeks is too shorter turnround in order to get better quality content out to us. If they slowed down the time between patches and concentrate on ensuring the content has better depth, is more engaging, more focused and better qualified through process then perhaps many of the doombringers wouldn’t feel the need to demand ANET talk to us about everything all the time because they would be too busy in game playing rather than out of game whinning.

What this guy says has AT LEAST as much meaning as what others are saying. Do you go into the threads of people who say unsubstantiated negative stuff and tell them that they’re wrong for doing that? No.

You come into the thread of someone trying to provide some balance and say I’m wrong for doing it.

What does that say about your own thought process?

Why attack this thread if it’s no different than equal and opposite to what it’s supposed to be combating? Does that even make sense?

Akari Storm.6809:

I assume some of those employees may also be maintaining GW1. Guild Wars may be walking dead, but not headshot final dead yet.

I for one am hopeful that as far as content development (expansions on par with other releases from other games that seem to be smaller companies), big chunks of girthie story blocks, new class skills, new classes, new races, new lands and possibly even new weapon types. Wouldn’t mind new loot and legendaries also.

Basically, after playing in both games, I personally am wishful for fleshing out the rest of the world. In essence, I have been playing in the same lands since 2005-2006. Kind of am over Kryta and the shiverpeaks. Wouldn’t mind diving into some updated versions of Cantha and Elona, but would ultimately rather see what else is out there.

Guild Wars 1 is completely on automation. This has been known for a very very long time. Anet announce it. No new content at all for it in well over a year, and only bug fixes are going to happen.

There may be one guy assigned to Guild Wars 1, but it’s more likely there’s no one permanently assigned to it, and people just fix stuff as it creeps up.

Everyone is happy except that the poll still means nothing. On that note, I’m going to bed. Have fun forum peoples.

Filaha.1678:

Vayne.8563:

It’s just not how the world works.

When Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS, they gave early adopters a gift in the form of 20 free games as compensation for buying early.

When SquareEnix launched the PS4 version of FFXIV, and put the Fat Chocobo mount and Moogle minion into that collector’s edition, they retroactively gave everyone who bought the collector’s edition previously those two items.

I could name more if I cared.

Just because it’s not how ArenaNet’s world works doesn’t mean compensation for early adopters has not got a basis in “the world”.

Since I don’t have dates and times on those updates, how long it is between things, I’ll just have to take your word for it.

On the other hand, there’s a HUGE difference between something like a mount and mini that has limited availability and an 18 slot box and a couple of experience point boosters, which are easily available.

Filaha.1678:

Vayne.8563:

Filaha.1678:

Vayne.8563:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vayne.8563:

This kind of poll is truly meaningless. Just the fact that a game like Eve Online doesn’t even show up, but a game that’s not an MMORPG that’s not even in beta yet like Landmark tells me all I need to know.

Complete waste of time.

You know that EVE Online is directly below GW2 on that link right?

I do know that. However, when I wrote that it wasn’t. They added it. In fact, you can see in the comments below that Eve wasn’t there originally (if they didn’t remove them). People complained that Eve wasn’t there so they added it.

Your post here was yesterday. The comment to which you refer was two days ago.
Unless it took them a full day to add a game to the list after recognizing that it should be on the list, then it was on the list at the time you posted.

But it wasn’t. Thanks for playing.

But it was, because I posted before you did and I saw it there. So did, presumably, the people right before you posted who also reference it.

If you say so. I looked. I didn’t see it. I don’t believe you.

Filaha.1678:

Vayne.8563:

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vayne.8563:

This kind of poll is truly meaningless. Just the fact that a game like Eve Online doesn’t even show up, but a game that’s not an MMORPG that’s not even in beta yet like Landmark tells me all I need to know.

Complete waste of time.

You know that EVE Online is directly below GW2 on that link right?

I do know that. However, when I wrote that it wasn’t. They added it. In fact, you can see in the comments below that Eve wasn’t there originally (if they didn’t remove them). People complained that Eve wasn’t there so they added it.

Your post here was yesterday. The comment to which you refer was two days ago.
Unless it took them a full day to add a game to the list after recognizing that it should be on the list, then it was on the list at the time you posted.

Edited to not be so snarky.

I was looking at the site, then I came here and posted at that moment. Unless it was added to the list when I clicks on this tab in my browser, it wasn’t there.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Vayne.8563:

I have a great idea. How about you give up everything you currently have on your account and start over to get those extra things? No, huh? lol

People who start MMO’s late are at a disadvantage. We don’t need as many experience boosters most of us have 80s. We don’t need bags, mostly because most of us have bags. New people they’re way behind.

If they want a commander tag it’s not 100 gold it’s 300 gold. Everything is inflated since launch.

Do you really think it’s worth waiting to get that stuff? It’s just another way to ease people into the game who are starting with a modest disadvantage.

I, for one, could totally use a mithril box for one of my 11 toons and some extra boosters for future toons, and would totally love a suit of legacy armor.

but …yeah man.

Start my account over.

That’s really related to everything I’m talking about in my original post.

It is related. People today ARE starting at a disadvantage, and Anet is helping to even it up by giving them a few things. If you can’t afford an 18 slot back after two years, I don’t know what to tell you.

And I’m not the only person in this thread who thinks you’re way out of line thinking that you should get every promotion that comes down the pike after you’ve already bought something.

Imagine going into a TV store and saying I bought this TV a year ago and now it’s cheaper. I want it for cheaper.

I bought this DVD player a year ago and now it comes with a free DVD, where’s my DVD.

It’s just not how the world works.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vayne.8563:

This kind of poll is truly meaningless. Just the fact that a game like Eve Online doesn’t even show up, but a game that’s not an MMORPG that’s not even in beta yet like Landmark tells me all I need to know.

Complete waste of time.

You know that EVE Online is directly below GW2 on that link right?

I do know that. However, when I wrote that it wasn’t. They added it. In fact, you can see in the comments below that Eve wasn’t there originally (if they didn’t remove them). People complained that Eve wasn’t there so they added it.

Randulf.7614:

Nice job. I remember when our group faced off against Mai Trin and only my warrior in full defence spec and my less experienced friend in zerker spec were left and had to duo her start to finish.

Was quite a kick when we finally did it, with me basically keeping her alive with banners/rezzes/blocks/kites whilst she did all the damage.

People achieve these things all the time, its when less skilled people like ourselves (no offence meant btw) do it, it becomes special and memorable.

Thanks and yeah…if I were like pro, it wouldn’t be a big deal. It’s only a big deal because I’m not. lol

Bloodstealer.5978:

Well I guess we can all gleam what we want from whatever we see or hear, but I still see this thread as nothing more than a " yay, see fools, I told ya so… I think" statement.

Actually now I know the journo has seen stuff I am more confident than ever that there is a secret internal cake menu and that the Unicorn chase will land in game soon.

Actually this thread isn’t an I told you so thread. You really don’t get it?

This writer felt that people are talking nonsense. He felt strongly enough about it to add it as an aside to an article about something else. Now it’s not just me, it’s me and that author. Because if he didn’t hear those things, there would be no reason at all to add that aside.

Me pointing this out to the forums is just giving them more information for each person to do what they want with.

People who have decided stuff already, those people are NOT going to change their minds. Karla Gray isn’t going to start a Guild Wars 2 fan club. But those aren’t the people that this is aimed at. There are people who haven’t made up their minds. Who don’t know. Who would like more information even if it’s not definite information.

If Anet were providing us this information this writer wouldn’t have had to write this. Anet isn’t. And since he wrote it, I thought I’d share it.

Still not sure what your problem with that is.

Kurrilino.2706:

Vayne.8563:

szygum.2607:

The simpliest answer is always the best answer.
They aren’t annoucing anything because there is nothing to announce. Simple.

The simplest answer is that business announce things like expansions when it’s profitable to do so. When SWToR came out, Trion went completely silent about Rift and stayed silent for three months. It wasn’t that they had nothing in the works. It was that they didn’t want to waste advertising dollars, because they knew they couldn’t compete with SWToR.

The WoW expansion has been hyped for months and it’s just come out. Which means that spending time hyping or even mentioning something that would get lost would be a waste of opportunity.

Watching the industry is how you find out what’s going on. Not by guessing.

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If for 2 years always better games come out you can’t compete with something
is really wrong don’t you think ??
I know you are always defending, but telling people for 2 years they didn’t come out with an announcement of an expansion because it would always be overshadowed
is a little bit riudiculous.

Actually what I said about Rift is a fact, not speculation. That’s what they did. It was obvious why they did it.

I’m not talking about two years. I’m talking about why they’re not talking about stuff RIGHT NOW. They didn’t talk about much in June because NCsoft had another MMO coming out and they didn’t want to interfere in the initial sales in that.

This is how companies work. If you really think Anet can compete in advertising with Blizzard, or that Trion could have competed in advertising with EA, there’s not much more to say on this topic.

Releases in companies aren’t randomly done. No company looks and says, you know, I have next tuesday free, let’s announce something. It just doesn’t work like that.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Vayne.8563:

Bloodstealer, I have never supported Anet’s silence policy. Nor have I supported the trait changes. There are things I like and things I don’t like. Trying to paint me as someone who only says positive things is factually wrong.

However, that doesn’t mean I like when people make stuff up or exaggerate to try to make a point. In this instance I’m doing neither.

I’m responding to a small section of the forum who have said some things for which they have no evidence. This may mean nothing, but it’s certainly more evidence than those posters had, particularly the ones saying Anet is doing nothing…and it has been said.

And since that’s all I’m trying to say, I don’t really see an issue.

But your failing to see that what you think is more evidence is actually nothing more than Joe Blogs looking through my window and seeing a few people sat at some PC’s doing something.. doesn’t mean its stuff for them or stuff for others.. so it is evidence of , well, nothing.

As I said.. no one believes ANET is doing nothing, anyone with the tinniest bit of common can work that out so why even post if only to say.. “there, look, told you they are doing stuff”.. the tea lady might of being prepping tomorrow’s cake trolley menu in PowerPoint.. its after all stuff, not that the journo would know any different.

So yay you got a one up on the masses speaking out of turn, thinking the ANET building is devoid of activity.. well done.. can we get the thread removed now and move on… also can I reserve a cake from the menu plz?

I’m not failing to see anything. You saying it doesn’t make it so.

Given the reputation of the site, vs a random guy on the forum, I’d personally rather take the word of someone who’s been there, than someone who has no evidence at all.

I wish Anet would tell us directly what’s going on. I’ve said it before. I made my own thread about it.

But that doesn’t stop this from having significance TO ME.

Bloodstealer, I have never supported Anet’s silence policy. Nor have I supported the trait changes. There are things I like and things I don’t like. Trying to paint me as someone who only says positive things is factually wrong.

However, that doesn’t mean I like when people make stuff up or exaggerate to try to make a point. In this instance I’m doing neither.

I’m responding to a small section of the forum who have said some things for which they have no evidence. This may mean nothing, but it’s certainly more evidence than those posters had, particularly the ones saying Anet is doing nothing…and it has been said.

And since that’s all I’m trying to say, I don’t really see an issue.

Swagger.1459:

Swagger.1459:

Vayne.8563:

Tachenon.5270:

Stuff. What is stuff? Stuff is a broad concept, and may include, among other stuff, such stuff as:

• creating Days of Our Lives Online! Which would be the coolest stuff ever.
• daily Elvis lookalike contests
• playing Golvellius on Sega Master System emulators
• mounted precursor dueling
• bunny juggling
• turtle races
• redesigning more perfectly fine existing systems not in need of redesigning

So until we know precisely what ‘stuff’ they are working on, I recommend we maintain an elevated degree of non-assumptive behavior, because, given previous deliveries of stuff, the stuff being worked on may not be quite the stuff we’d hoped for.

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp7130Bjec4

It doesn’t actually matter. Not when people on these forums are saying Anet is saying nothing because they’re not working on anything.

Now we don’t know what this stuff is. But since you have any number of people saying Anet is only doing the living story and working on nothing else and you have a guy that’s there saying there’s more being worked on, I’ll think I believe him.

Your post would be relevant if multiple people haven’t already said in different threads that Anet isn’t talking because Anet has nothing to talk about.

But people have said that. This is the answer to that.

Anet is not talking because Anet is not talking. Having nothing to do with what they may or may not be working on.

Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.

@vayne

question that you ignored… why do you think anet is so tight lipped about development while other games are more transparent through public testing realms and communicate openly about potential or in the works development?

also…

Vayne to Tachenon “Your post would be relevant”…

Swagger to Vayne “Tachenon’s post was just as relevant as yours.”

Vayne to Swagger “In your opinion”

Kaiyanwan to Vayne (too big to quote but basically saying that unknowns are irrelevant)

Vayne to Kaiyanwan “It’s not irrelevant to me, it may be irrelevant to you and that’s okay. You don’t get to judge what’s irrelevant to other people.”…

this is not a personal attack, just wanted to say that you are not superior to anyone here on the forums. if you want to make a thread then be prepared to have different views that are related to the topic. I understand if there is a comment that is off topic and completely unrelated, but you cannot sit there in your chair and be a hypocritical relevancy judge and jury to suit your needs.

yes, my question is related to your op.

I made a thread about one thing. People are bringing up other things. Those things may be relevant to them. They have nothing to do with what I’m saying. It really is that simple.

Many of those people have a dislike for me from many other threads and no matter what I post, they’ll jump on it. It almost doesn’t matter.

So forgive me for not taking what each of them says at face value. I don’t, and neither should you.

fireflyry.7023:

Like I say it’s all a bit ambiguous.

Could have been just another day at the office and not being allowed to talk about “stuff” could go from extremes of another lame- kitten backpiece being made to GW3 dropping in 2 hours.

Who knows?

Right hundreds of people are working on a back piece. Do some math.

We know that 20 people work on the living story because they told us. We know there are over 300 employees at Anet. One can assume that 280 plus employees are not bringing the other 20 guys coffee for a living.

Which means they’re working on stuff. That has ALWAYS been the logic. The people who say otherwise are disenfranchised with the game and/or Anet’s policy of not communicating.

There are a lot of possible reasons why Anet might not be revealing plans. One of them I’ve brought up frequently but there are others.

The logic is, bigger projects are being worked on. You don’t have to accept it, that’s fine.

fireflyry.7023:

Does’nt mean much to me personally, or at all. It’s not like he’s gonna state “…walked into Anet HQ…nobody there…except….ZOMBIES!!!”

“..working on stuff..”…How ambiguous can someone be…of course they are working “on stuff” they are running an MMO there’s always “stuff” to be “worked on” and people in cubicles doing that “stuff”. It’s an on-line MMO….could be they were doing day-to-day maintenance and kicking haxors for all we know. Seems a pretty far fetched translation to adhere that to some form of epic content on the horizon.

Happy to be proved wrong.

No he wouldn’t state there was no one there except zombies. But he wouldn’t likely state there were hundreds of people working there if he didn’t see it.

Just because he wouldn’t state one thing doesn’t mean that the things he does state are false.

And he did say directly that he couldn’t talk about stuff. People who work for these sites are told what they aren’t allowed to say. Do you really think if he found out Anet was working on an expansion Anet would give him the go ahead to say it? Cause I don’t.

So my wife and I aren’t min/maxers or efficiency players. We don’t use exploits. We don’t speed run.

It was only a level 1 fractal. We got the Aquatic Ruins, Uncategorized, Aetherblade Retreat and Aetherblade Captain Fractals.

We came close last week, but on a fluke, on the Maw, we were both kicked from the fractal (which I don’t mind tell you was mighty annoying). I wasn’t going to try again, but since she needed 3 fractals to finish off her last monthly I said why not.

I’m sure that this wouldn’t be challenging for some people, but it was one of the harder things I’ve done in game.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Vayne.8563:

I think it’ll be a month or two, before release, but not much more than that.

That is what you think. What you think is worth as much as to know that ANet is working on stuff.

The stuff could be totally unrelated to GW2. Maybe GW3, or GW the trading card game. A GW moba, whatever.
Or it could be totally unrelated to GW in general, like a new brand.

Knowing that ANet is working on stuff is totally irrelevant for the GW2 community until the community knows what this stuff is about.

Bottom line: knowing, that the employees actually work in their company is totally irrelevant as long as noone knows what they actually work on.

It’s not irrelevant to me, it may be irrelevant to you and that’s okay. You don’t get to judge what’s irrelevant to other people.

I think it’ll be a month or two, before release, but not much more than that.

misterman.1530:

But “stuff” could be anything….more restrictive Trait system. More grinding necessary. More really ugly skins that cost gems. More…well…stuff that no one outside of a seemingly few actually will like.

I mean, if Anet pushed out a steaming pile, there are some on these forums who would wax poetic about the wonderful job they’ve done. These are usually people who never take the opposing stance on any issue…hey, “Everything’s awesome!” right?

Frankly, I trust most of the well-thought out negative people before I trust the white knights. Call me a pessimist, but I am seeing a very negative pattern here with the things they have given us.

It doesn’t really matter what stuff means. This post was refuting those who claimed Anet wasn’t working on anything but the living story, that they were milking the game before they closed it down. That they barely had anyone working there. There are plenty of those claims.

If you want to talk about what they’re making there are plenty of threads for that. I’m just linking something that seems to refute what some have said.

dekou.6012:

Vayne.8563:

This is ONLY an answer to people who are saying NOTHING is being worked on and that Anet has less than 50 employees. That’s what this thread is about.

I haven’t seen anyone say that. Obviously, if ANet has employees, they’re working on something. Otherwise, where would “stuff” like the NPE come from?

Other people have seen people say it. I certainly have. You can doubt me if you want, but it’s been said, and more than once. Just as people have said Anet isn’t talking because they have nothing to talk about.

Yep I’m definitely in favor of this.

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

If Arenanet were actually working on an expansion, they would let players know.

The only reason to remain silent about something like an expansion is if they aren’t working on one.

Think about it.

I have thought about it. Do you know what announcing anything like an expansion has a bit of science to it. You announce it too early and it’s bad for business. People get a buzz and then a lot of people lose interest over time. Also, sometimes there’s other news in the industry that takes away from your launch. The WoW expansion for example.

When SWToR launched, Rift went dark. No ads, no annoucements, nothing. They knew they couldn’t compete with EA for advertising and so there was no point in putting at an announcement at a time when it would be overshadowed.

Think about it.

I am. And it’s actually pretty dumb strategy. When your competition does something you can’t directly counter (like making a new game, or an expansion when you have none), it may not be a good strategy to put too much effort into looking for new players, that’s true. But that is precisely the moment when you need to persuade your current players that they should stay. Instead of, you know, going to the competition. Because once they are gone, you cannot hope they’ll ever come back.

And yet so far, Anet’s advertising “strategy” seemed to depend on all the other games failing. That’s not viable in the long run. Not even if that’s the only way you can compete.

You saying it’s a dumb strategy doesn’t make it dumb. It’s a well known and respected strategy for a reason.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

If Arenanet were actually working on an expansion, they would let players know.

The only reason to remain silent about something like an expansion is if they aren’t working on one.

Think about it.

I have thought about it. Do you know what announcing anything like an expansion has a bit of science to it. You announce it too early and it’s bad for business. People get a buzz and then a lot of people lose interest over time. Also, sometimes there’s other news in the industry that takes away from your launch. The WoW expansion for example.

When SWToR launched, Rift went dark. No ads, no annoucements, nothing. They knew they couldn’t compete with EA for advertising and so there was no point in putting at an announcement at a time when it would be overshadowed.

Think about it.

Krustydog.3072:

Freedom of speech. I find YOUR post offensive in that you would censor people so should I have a hissy fit and demand YOU be censored? Censorship is a slippery slope, one mans vulgarity is another mans art and no one person gets to decide for others. Read 1984 by George Orwell.

Freedom of speech doesn’t apply to private venues. The reason freedom of speech exists it to give us reason to protest those in power. That’s how it was conceived by our forefathers.

They idea that it gives people the freedom to malign other people is a sadist’s fantasy and nothing more. That’s why certain things are illegal like threatening people, and calling fire in a crowded movie house and hate speech and inciting violence.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

I will tell you a story about stuff:

Blizzard developed their new MMO, known as Titan. They spend more money and DEV time into this project than ANet can ever dream to spend on GW2.

For six years or more, they have produced stuff, tons of it. Everyone that was part of the project worked hard.

What did the players get of all this stuff? None, nada, niente. Nothing. That stuff was just that, stuff. It didn’t get real for the players. Millions of dollars of stuff, thousands and thousands of work hours of stuff, and nothing.

Why getting excited about the stuff ANet is working on? This will just create another bubble…

If you want to read this thread as I’m trying to excite people over the stuff, then you’ve obviously misread the thread.

This is ONLY an answer to people who are saying NOTHING is being worked on and that Anet has less than 50 employees. That’s what this thread is about.

Anything else you’ve brought with you is your own thought process and has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

JoopdeRooij.5736:

Gay means happy..so why make that an insult?

Words are a product of their time. Gay has other meanings now and many many people use it in a derogatory manner. It doesn’t matter what a word’s original definition is. It matters what words evolve into.

Thank you OP. This single post does more to prove my point than any other post on the forums.

A person with absolutely not proof of anything, thinks he knows what the majority of the playbase believes.

It really is gratifying that you could illustrate so precisely the type of posts I talk about all the time.

I think no one can talk for the majority because no one knows what most people think.

It’s based on the Ray Bradbury work, but think of it as more a premise for the movie. It’s still a kitten ed good movie.

I’m sorry for your loss. It’s hard to lose a friend, whether it’s a real life friend or an online friend.

vana.5467:

Casmurro.9046:

Zaklex.6308:

Goose.5196:

Kitsunami.6241:

As to the people complaining about ‘lack of content’

I remind you that you have been playing for nearly two years, and that the ‘lack of content’ is not a lack of content, its that you have finished the content.

There is more than enough content here to justify the price tag.

I’d agree with you if this wasn’t advertised as an MMO.

Shall I remind you, MMO: M = Massively(no where does it say the world needs to be gargantuan, just massive, I’d say Tyria qualifies), Multiplayer-check, Online-check…looks like GW2 matches that pretty well.

I agree with Goose, gw2 is a great online game but i’m not sure if it can be called an mmo. GW2 lacks longevity, progression, it just doesnt hold the players after certain amount of time played, while regular mmos can give thousands of hours of replayability. I really hope anet is preparing something big for the beginning of next year, because another year of just living story will not hold the veteran players.

I think you’d have to concede that it is an MMO by definition. But I thoroughly agree that AS an MMO, the way the game has been handled since release does not live up to the precedent set by other games (an hence many people’s expectations) – which was also Goose’s point, as far as I can tell.

Sure, I agree. This game has veered off from other MMOs in how it does things, but that’s what Anet always claimed they wanted to do. Reinvigorate the MMO space. It gives those of us who don’t like what you find in standard MMOs a place for us. That’s why it’ll remain successful.

There are enough people out there who don’t enjoy traditional MMOs that have found a home here. It’s not the millions of people that play WoW, but it’s certainly enough to keep the game moving forward. And as it moves on it will pick up more people that like this more than traditional MMOs.

For those who prefer traditional MMOs, they’re all still out there. There are far more of them than there are of Guild Wars 2.

Yes, yes, there’s a fiery dragon on a box, and we fight a dragon. We fight several dragons. People who bought the game and fight the dragon will assume it’s about dragons. And then they come out with an expansion and make, get this, a new box. And voila! A new experience after the box with the dragon.

Silly argument is silly.

Just keep in mind Something Wicked This Way Comes was a Disney movie.

Except for the forty or fifty vets in my guild alone who still play almost every day.

OP, I know what you mean. It’s brutal out there. I’ve tried a few of the other new MMOs too, just to see if there was something better than this.

It’s easy to pick holes in any game, but this is still the best option out there…for me anyway.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Would I love to journey through Elona? Yes. Do I care about the elder dragons much, after Zhaitan being a fair disappointment? No. Does it matter what I think in this case? No.

Metrics, the new friend of ANet and reason for the NPE, will tell you different though. Most players playing GW2 have never played GW and lore in GW2 about Elone is very, very limited. So most GW2 players do not know and/or care about Elona.

And while you grow tired of Dragons, this game is all about them. So people expect dragons in a game about dragons.

So why market an expansion with a region that most people do not care about, without the main threat setup as storyline for GW2?

It is like advertising apples in the first place, delicious apples like the ones of Tybalt, but then out of a sudden, you are offering pears. They might be as delicious as Tybalt’s apples, but people just didn’t come for pears, they came for apples. So people will be disappointed.

Not rocket science.

It’s not rocket science. A lot of people starting this game have no idea it’s about dragons. We had a year and a half of Scarlet and she was in every ad and she’s clearly not a dragon. I don’t think the advertising was heavily focused on dragons at all.

Yes, the lore does talk a lot about dragons but those familiar with the lore are also familiar with Elona most likely.

Where as the average player who comes to an MMO, probably doesn’t know all that much about it in the first place.

If an expansion was announced with new classes, new races, new skills and new weapons, most people wouldn’t care if there were a dragon or not.

It’s not rocket science.

Gilosean.3805:

Palador.2170:

triggerhappy.3871:

Give us back removed pet locations in Queensdale and Plains of Ashford.
Why only these 2 areas lost all pet locations?
Any other areas keep their pet locations.
I guess this is not what you intended but your mistake.

More than those two areas. I know a lot of juvenile animals near Hoelbrak are gone as well.

What? That’s terrible. Pet mechanics are an important part of the Ranger class. So now rangers don’t even find out about a big part of their class until they leave the beginning areas?

Yes, rangers don’t learn their class until after level 10. You know, before you used to get traits in the old way.

It’s not a big deal, consider you can still get lots of pets in the cities and the early part of the zone isn’t really for teaching you detailed intricacies of your profession. They’re there to teach you the basics of the game.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Vayne.8563:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

The funny part of this stuff stuff is, there are only three possibilities:

1. ANet has many employees and is very inefficient in producing stuff (which many got the impression from what we get with the LS as content)

2. ANet is using most of its staff to produce an expansion, which is at least a year away (an expansion would need an elder dragon as hype factor and we are still short Mordi, ANet would not release two elder dragons in less than a year)

3. ANet works on a new GW game, rendering GW2 more or less futile.

Pick one, but honestly, all three options suck. Years with near to no new content? AT least another year with near to no new content? Waiting years for GW3?

That stuff really sounds amazing!

First of all, the argument that “another elder dragon” is the only thing you think an expansion could be about is a bad argument.

Why can’t an expansion be about fighting our way to Elona?

Anyway, as my post history is largely positive, your post history has shown your colors. Why should anyone believe someone who doesn’t like the game?

GW2 is all about the elder dragons. People expect to fight one in the expansion. ANet has to cater towards this expectation.

People hated Scarlet, she was no dragon. She could never live up to the expectations. She was no real threat no matter what she did, because you know, the dragons are the real threat.

So Elona would be all nice and stuff, but without an elder dragon as main villain, the expansion would not sell as well as with one. I’m fairly sure most people playing GW2 don’t even know what Elona is. But they know we have to kill those dragons or all is lost.

From a marketing point of view it stays true, for an expansion to be a (bigger) success it will need an elder dragon.

From a maketing point of view, you cannot release two main villains in short order for several reasons.

So no expansion to come soon. Whatever this stuff is, we will not see it in the next 12 monthes unless it is more of the same old same LS.

I disagree. If Anet came out with the entire continent Elona, as long as it had a cool “end boss” I don’t think you’d see hoards of protests.

Some of us are all dragoned out in fact. After Rift, Skyrim, Dragon Age, and every other stupid game that focuses on dragons, dragons were the one design decision I never liked. I don’t find them interesting and I’m sure there are others like me.

And I know for sure there are tons of people who would welcome an expansion set in Elona or dare I say Cantha, even if there wasn’t a dragon in sight.

Azhure.1857:

As usual, Vayne, your image of GW2 is littered with wildflowers and smiles.

I wouldn’t call the OP “over-sensitive”. I’ve personally seen sexist and racist “chats” in game. But the fact is that we all have to deal with people like that wherever we go and a game community isn’t an exception. There are posters that have commented on measures that can be taken to alleviate the stress of dealing with these people but in the end it will be entirely up to the OP and how he/she responds.

No, I’ve played literally dozens of MMOs here and the only one I saw less or about the same amount of it in was City of Heroes.

I’m not a fan of bigotry of any kind. But this game isn’t as bad as many. You want to see bad, go download Archeage.

I’m thinking the OP might be over-sensitive. Surely there are people in the game who do insult others, but they’re a very small minority.

And some people do get banned for saying stuff like that. We’ve had them post here on the forums. First ban is usually 72 hours.

Krustydog.3072:

Dude (or Duddete) me and my friends just came back to this game from Archeage. You have no idea how good you have it here

It’s true. Every time I get a bit frustrated hear, I buy/try another MMO. Most recently it was FFXIV.

I really don’t know how people can play games like that. I’m sure that maybe they have high level dungeon/raid stuff that’s very good, but just the leveling process to get there is so mind numbingly boring…and if you happen to like the leveling thing over raids, as I do, then there really isn’t another decent game right now.