Guild Wars 2

Quarktastic.1027:

Vayne.8563:

I only recently noticed that when ettins summon wurms, they use friendly rabbits first. They put the friendly rabbit on the ground and bait the wurm to the surface. Hmmm, might be jotuns instead of ettins but you get the idea.

It’s grawl. And for some reason, the wurm always dies instantly when it surfaces. I never did figure out why they bother baiting those suicidal wurms.

Oh yeah, it is the grawl. Go me. lol

Guest to a server where the temple is open..there are plenty of them. Also…the temples aren’t run as much since Tquatl is new. In three, four days, everyone will be running temples again.

Hrithmus.2583:

Thus the life in guild wars 2. Looks like its for 2 weeks.

Man i wish i could play at my own pace but this game does not allow me too. o well i guess

If you don’t mind using the Dulfy site, the boss week achievements can be done, pretty much in total in like an hour.

Then you can go back to playing at your own pace. lol

Edit: In addition to that, you’d have to do 1 daily four times during the course of two weeks. I just don’t think, at least this time, that the achievements are too taxing. Last month was much much worse.

Astral Projections.7320:

Sarrs.4831:

I thought Scarlet would be getting exposure once every 6 months, not every second month. Does anyone actually like her?

Her mommy and daddy like her. That’s two people. And the ANet staff, that’s 300, for a total of 302 people.

Embarrassingly, I like her. lol

Actually, I would love a button on the looking for group tool that I could just put a check in so that I would keep the parties to the players I like to play with.

A no elitists button.

I only recently noticed that when ettins summon wurms, they use friendly rabbits first. They put the friendly rabbit on the ground and bait the wurm to the surface. Hmmm, might be jotuns instead of ettins but you get the idea.

bluestocking.6148:

I guess, from what I’ve heard, that Ranger is the worst PvE class? IDK, I’m a sucker for pet classes and ranged attacks. I love rangers. Also enjoying the thief, switching back and forth between dual pistols and double daggers.

Ranger is only the “worst” class for stuff like dungeons. It’s brilliant in the open world. And of course, a good ranger can do any dungeon in the game.

Tachenon.5270:

Vayne.8563:

If you don’t want grind in the game, and you want Anet to take you at all seriously, ie look at your complaint, the way to do it is to give the facts in the most relaxed way possible.

Like this?

Yes, that’s what I mean exactly. lol

colesy.8490:

Knote.2904:

colesy.8490:

All it would do is make people choose the most useful alternative, it won’t create playstyles at all. For example:

Take Warrior Main-Hand Sword abilities. Let’s say the Leap #2 skill that cripples could have 2 alternatives.

Alternative 1.) No longer cripples, has 300 less range, but immobilizes for 2 seconds.

Alternative 2.) Gains 300 range, does x3 dmg, Unblockable, but cooldown now twice as long (reduced if it hits).

If you zerg around in WvW you’ll take 1 every time.

Or take the #3 skill that does more dmg if below 50% health.

Alternative 1.) Does bonus dmg the more health target has instead.

Alternative 2.) Reduced power/base dmg, now applies stacks of bleeding based on target health.

Again, 1.

It will just turn weapons in to what trait trees are like, there’s plenty of imaginary diversity, but if you want to play properly you’ll always go down certain lines and take certain traits.

If this is the case then why doesn’t Anet remove every trait and weapon that isn’t used so we all have the exact same character?

Because that would be boring.

Also this is where balancing actually comes into play.

They don’t remove them because pretend diversity is better than no diversity. It’s why for example there’s food that makes you deal more damage while downed. Nobody will use it… but … diversity!

A lot of people used the food that did more damage when downed during the Queen’s Gauntlet.

Sometimes different foods are out there for different situations.

I think they overnerfed karma and they’ll bring it back up when they realize it.

You need to do it once on a character for each two legendary weapons you get.

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

But actual content is a matter of opinion. Saying that we haven’t had actual content because he doesn’t like the content trivializes the opinions of all the people who do like that content. And I’m pretty sure it’s a far bigger number than he suspects.

He could say no content I like or no content that I find challenging, but instead, he chose to post the term actual content. Well, I hate to break it to you, but in those terms, he’s completely wrong.

What he meant, and the way he phrased it puts him as the ultimate arbiter of what makes good content, and frankly, I don’t think anyone can put themselves in that light.

The problem is, I’m reasonably saying it’s a content and how he phrased his post makes a misleading argument.

I think the game’s concurrency figures are growing, and if what he said was true, well…that wouldn’t likely be the case.

How many people like the “content” in gw2 doesnt mean that its content. How many people like GW when he was president after 9/11. Everyone in the US pretty much. Turns out he was a kitten kittener.

Also the absolutist attitude that Nikaido represents is that of any critic. For when it comes to criticism, speaking in a compromising tone gets nowhere. You need the extremes to get to the midway point. For example when the constitution was being discussed Hamilton created a plan that was so radical that it actually pushed people to the middle. Thats why extremes work because when you compromise even a little as a critic you get no where. People who decide shouldnt be extreme but i mean nikaido is pretentious anyways so its all good.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/mad-about-children

see how the critic says things staright out without being wishywashy. Grow up and realize that not everyone talks in a back and forth way. That doesnt mean you should disregard their opinion because like Nikaidos although its extreme its pretty close to what i feel and what others feel.

Speaking in non-compromising terms gets far less, because reasonable people write you off. That’s the real issue.

If you have legit complaints and express them in a completely unreasonable manner, only people who already agree with you will give you the time of day.

Presumably you want to make an impression on people who might be swayed, not just those who think like you do. Otherwise, why post?

Why make a post like this? Seriously. What do you get out of it?

What do I get out of encouraging people to speak their mind in a way that gets their point across? How about a better community.

I know some people might think it’s okay to say or do anything they want, because they can. You might think it. Someone else might think it.

But if you talk reasonably, you’re more likely to win hearts and minds than if you kitten and moan. At least I’ve always found that to be true.

If you don’t want grind in the game, and you want Anet to take you at all seriously, ie look at your complaint, the way to do it is to give the facts in the most relaxed way possible. Exaagerating stuff won’t get you noticed, or change anything. It will simply get your opinion dismissed.

You may not believe this, but I believe that everyone should say something if there’s something in the game they don’t like. And I encourage people to say it in such a way that it benefits them.

That’s why I make posts like that.

Fletch.3572:

I never understood QQ looks like happy balloons at a birthday party to me,

If you look at a Q it looks like an eye, with a tear coming out of it.

Rangers are absolutely awesome at defending turrets and batteries, and also, because of your pet rez (#3 downed skill), you die a lot less frequently, meaning you’re up doing damage more often.

Anyone who would want to get rid of rangers has probably not played one.

data.4093:

Vayne.8563:

data.4093:

Why the hell are the teq weapons account bound? Dam anet, you guys keep dropping the ball and then kick it every time you go to pick it up.

So people who want it will have to participate in the event…otherwise people won’t come in the numbers needed to defeat T’quatl. They’ll wait for others to do it and just buy the thing.

Want the weapon? Do the content. It’s not a mistake on their part.

So if I get a pistol as a warrior or a GS as a thief then…GG? Your thought process really is horrible and Anet is dropping the ball in many ways over and over.

Anet needs to make it a token and let you choose your weapon.

xephire.8324:

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

Sylv.5324:

The dev doesn’t deserve it. They’re not the one responsible for the things that poster arglebargled about, and even if they are, it’s not right to be a jerk.

He is game director he is responsible…

Reponsible for what, exactly? Answering someone’s post, or doing what someone asks just because they ask it, or taking something someone asks for and raising its priority when other more important matters need to be dealt with?

Important matters like adding ascended gear mmmm………………………..

I agree, adding ascended gear is more important than how engineer back packs are affected by legendary weapons. Thanks for agreeing with me.

data.4093:

Why the hell are the teq weapons account bound? Dam anet, you guys keep dropping the ball and then kick it every time you go to pick it up.

So people who want it will have to participate in the event…otherwise people won’t come in the numbers needed to defeat T’quatl. They’ll wait for others to do it and just buy the thing.

Want the weapon? Do the content. It’s not a mistake on their part.

xephire.8324:

Sylv.5324:

The dev doesn’t deserve it. They’re not the one responsible for the things that poster arglebargled about, and even if they are, it’s not right to be a jerk.

He is game director he is responsible…

Reponsible for what, exactly? Answering someone’s post, or doing what someone asks just because they ask it, or taking something someone asks for and raising its priority when other more important matters need to be dealt with?

ordeal.9145:

Is the LFG tool cross realm or just our own server in dungeon,fractal search?

Open world and personal story are your world only. Everything else is cross realm.

I don’t think it’s all that bad on TC. I just beat Tquatl for the first time and it was tough..but I think with the TC mumble and all, we’re pretty well organized.

There didn’t seem to be a lot of egos fighting anyway. Personally I just shut up and did what I was told to. lol

It’s not going to happen. It’s already been stated that the consoles don’t give Anet the control to update whenever they want, and that seems to be a deal breaker for Anet.

Keep in mind if you already have a party of multiple people, you won’t see everyone looking for a group.

Like I’m in a party with my guild now of four people, so I’ll only see posts of a single person looking for a group. If there’s a group of two looking for a group, I won’t see their posts.

marnick.4305:

Vayne.8563:

I’m a tweener. I’m not bad enough to be a noob, but I’m not good enough to be l33t…or as my mom used to say, too light for heavy work and too heavy for light work.

I’m kinda in that position too. Good enough for most content through accumulated experience in other games, but too much real life to become truly good at the difficult content.

There’s no real way around this sort of thing. The game contains multiple things to do with multiple difficulties for that reason. You guide yourself to the harder stuff.

There’s a couple of things I could do to become better at this game.
- quit my job
- divorce my wife
- quit long distance running

But since that’s not an option (love my job, wife and healthy body) I’m happy GW2 has content along the spectrum so I can focus on what I’d like to do personally. FotM10 is very forgiving, but FotM28 is a bit too hard for me and I can’t be kitten d to train.

Actually if you were to combine a few of those you could save time. For example, quit your job, kitten your wife off so she chases you with a cleaver, so you could get the divorcing and running in at the same time. Then you’d have time to be uber like me.

I remember when Rift launched, even though it had a pretty good launch, the queue problem was horrible and there was a bad oversight with security that led to thousands of accounts hacked.

The game was pretty stable after that, until they started coming out with updates. Every update the came out ended up adding bugs to the game. The game was buggier three months after launch than it was a launch.

The more new content you come out with, the more bugs you’ll be fixing. If you wait till a game is completely fixed to come out with new content, you’ll never come out with new content.

I’m a tweener. I’m not bad enough to be a noob, but I’m not good enough to be l33t…or as my mom used to say, too light for heavy work and too heavy for light work.

There’s no real way around this sort of thing. The game contains multiple things to do with multiple difficulties for that reason. You guide yourself to the harder stuff.

For example, playing in the open world is easier on some professions than others. A guardian in the open world, or the ranger, they’re sort of easy mode. An ele can be more challenging, as can an engie (at least for certain people).

But yeah, there’s no way they could have the difficulty of everything tuned for everyone, because everyone is at different levels. Fortunately I don’t require challenge to have fun with the guild.

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

But actual content is a matter of opinion. Saying that we haven’t had actual content because he doesn’t like the content trivializes the opinions of all the people who do like that content. And I’m pretty sure it’s a far bigger number than he suspects.

He could say no content I like or no content that I find challenging, but instead, he chose to post the term actual content. Well, I hate to break it to you, but in those terms, he’s completely wrong.

What he meant, and the way he phrased it puts him as the ultimate arbiter of what makes good content, and frankly, I don’t think anyone can put themselves in that light.

The problem is, I’m reasonably saying it’s a content and how he phrased his post makes a misleading argument.

I think the game’s concurrency figures are growing, and if what he said was true, well…that wouldn’t likely be the case.

How many people like the “content” in gw2 doesnt mean that its content. How many people like GW when he was president after 9/11. Everyone in the US pretty much. Turns out he was a kitten kittener.

Also the absolutist attitude that Nikaido represents is that of any critic. For when it comes to criticism, speaking in a compromising tone gets nowhere. You need the extremes to get to the midway point. For example when the constitution was being discussed Hamilton created a plan that was so radical that it actually pushed people to the middle. Thats why extremes work because when you compromise even a little as a critic you get no where. People who decide shouldnt be extreme but i mean nikaido is pretentious anyways so its all good.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/mad-about-children

see how the critic says things staright out without being wishywashy. Grow up and realize that not everyone talks in a back and forth way. That doesnt mean you should disregard their opinion because like Nikaidos although its extreme its pretty close to what i feel and what others feel.

Speaking in non-compromising terms gets far less, because reasonable people write you off. That’s the real issue.

If you have legit complaints and express them in a completely unreasonable manner, only people who already agree with you will give you the time of day.

Presumably you want to make an impression on people who might be swayed, not just those who think like you do. Otherwise, why post?

I bet most people don’t even know they have access to it yet.

xephire.8324:

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

I’ve never attacked anyone for complaining about gear grind. I’ve attacked people who keep bringing up Anet said something 87 years ago and it changed.

Now, Vayne, that’s clearly incorrect. ArenaNet was founded in the Spring of 2000 (I’ll assume Northern Hemisphere Spring because that’s where Bellevue is). That makes it around 13 1/2 years old, which is clearly a much smaller number of years than 87. Don’t go saying things that aren’t completely, absolutely, and verifiably true on these forums – we wouldn’t want people to get the wrong impression.

Vayne.8563:

I believe you have no clue what these players want. You’re making the assumption that they bulk of players think the way you do. It may be true that the bulk of posters on the forums feel that way, but since most people lurk, we don’t actually know what they think.

How do you know that most players lurk? Do you have metrics from ArenaNet? This is just speculation. For all you know, most players post, and our friend Erick is spot on with his statistical analysis.

I just wanted to make sure that what you said wasn’t misinterpreted by anyone. Must be correct to a “T”, as it were.

Have a nice day!

;)

Hi Chuo. I thought you’d understand that an obvious exaageration to make a point is completely different than hyperbole where people are exaagerating things for different reasons. It’s a form of humor. People do it all the time.

Completely different from the type of misinformation usually spread by some people on these forums.

I thought you’d understand that, too. /facepalm

With the number of people actually attacking me directly, all posts are going to end up as defensive posts.

Timing is everything.

The person who said that he will post less on the forum these days ended up having 111 posts in this thread :/

And very very few others. I’m waiting for Tequatl to spawn…that’s why I’m here.

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

I’ve never attacked anyone for complaining about gear grind. I’ve attacked people who keep bringing up Anet said something 87 years ago and it changed.

Now, Vayne, that’s clearly incorrect. ArenaNet was founded in the Spring of 2000 (I’ll assume Northern Hemisphere Spring because that’s where Bellevue is). That makes it around 13 1/2 years old, which is clearly a much smaller number of years than 87. Don’t go saying things that aren’t completely, absolutely, and verifiably true on these forums – we wouldn’t want people to get the wrong impression.

Vayne.8563:

I believe you have no clue what these players want. You’re making the assumption that they bulk of players think the way you do. It may be true that the bulk of posters on the forums feel that way, but since most people lurk, we don’t actually know what they think.

How do you know that most players lurk? Do you have metrics from ArenaNet? This is just speculation. For all you know, most players post, and our friend Erick is spot on with his statistical analysis.

I just wanted to make sure that what you said wasn’t misinterpreted by anyone. Must be correct to a “T”, as it were.

Have a nice day!

;)

Hi Chuo. I thought you’d understand that an obvious exaageration to make a point is completely different than hyperbole where people are exaagerating things for different reasons. It’s a form of humor. People do it all the time.

Completely different from the type of misinformation usually spread by some people on these forums.

I thought you’d understand that, too. /facepalm

With the number of people actually attacking me directly, all posts are going to end up as defensive posts.

Timing is everything.

champ.7021:

Yup because if you understood what he meant by actual content he didnt mean that there was no content. He meant there was no actual content, no real content it was all just tricks to keep people playing, i.e. Dailys, Monthlys, Time Gated Dungeons and World Bosses, Ascended Weapons……

you’re like the kid in my class who uses stupid semantic arguments to annoy the kitten out of people who say something using the connotation of a word and not the denotation of the word.

also not defending his whole argument i was just making the point that as individuals we should be able to decide what content is and what isnt content and be able to voice the opinion. We will never know whos right when it comes to the definition of content. People have argued over Catcher in the Rye wondering whether it is a valid book or not, whether it is filled with deep content or a shallow story of teen anxt. Maybe Nikaidos wrong and maybe im wrong as well but critics are always in the minority and sometimes they are right

@Chuo LMAO

But actual content is a matter of opinion. Saying that we haven’t had actual content because he doesn’t like the content trivializes the opinions of all the people who do like that content. And I’m pretty sure it’s a far bigger number than he suspects.

He could say no content I like or no content that I find challenging, but instead, he chose to post the term actual content. Well, I hate to break it to you, but in those terms, he’s completely wrong.

What he meant, and the way he phrased it puts him as the ultimate arbiter of what makes good content, and frankly, I don’t think anyone can put themselves in that light.

The problem is, I’m reasonably saying it’s a content and how he phrased his post makes a misleading argument.

I think the game’s concurrency figures are growing, and if what he said was true, well…that wouldn’t likely be the case.

Everyone is interested in fighting Tquatl still. Give it a few days.

champ.7021:

Vayne.8563:

Nikaido.3457:

This game will obviously either tank or it might have found the dumbest community and took it as its own. There is no content. The last actual content introduction was fractals.

Do you know the number of people who play this game who don’t give a fig about the Fractals at all? Do you believe most players want challenging content? Do you believe that the fractals are what this game was meant to be about?

If so, I don’t know what to say.

Actual content. As if you or anyone else has a right to say this is good content and this is bad content. And you know, I like the fractals and all, but I much prefer the Teq battle. For that matter, I prefer Sanctum Sprint and Southsun Survival.

So who then has the right to say what is content. Sure you prefer Teq and sanctum spring and southsun survival and i bet most people do. That doesnt make it content. especially sanctum spring and southsun survival. But if thats what people want thats what they get. However just because most people want a certain kind of “content” doesnt mean that the minority should be left unattended to. In fact the minority are probably the people who play the game the most, the hardcore crowd. I prefer Dungeons and Fractals to all of the other content in this game. I dont even do dailys anymore and i havent even been playing as long as everyone else. Honestly Anet needs to stop devoting as much time to LS and start focussing on bringing in permanent content. I dont mean to say stop LS (although thats what i want) bc most people like it but they need permanent things that people can get better at. And even when the bring permanent content through ls or so they say they will i bet it will be more open world and then one dungeone like molten facility thats boring as kitten.

also to your argument that no one can say what content is, thats kind of a bad idea. Think of it in terms of books. We have critics who say what good content is and what bad content is. Thats why critics dont say anything good about twilight but they will keep publishing articles and speaking highly about Invisible Man. Why? because IM and all great literature is filled with content that is longstanding and interesting that grips you as you read it. Now back to gw2. yes there is content but its not that gripping. I mean most people probably do the champ farm and read dufly while quickly finishing achievements and doing dailys. Is it content yes. Is it good interesting content no (well majority of it is not). It is a mockery of content which gives shallow stories written by 5 year olds and pushes them out as fast as the zhaitan fight was pushed out. They do seem to be taking steps in the right direction with tequatl and SAB tribulation mode but as it stands now gw2 is the twilight of mmos.

(No i have not read twilight i have just heard from friends how awful and poorly written it is.)

It is content. It’s stuff you do in game. That’s content…pretty much by definition. I didn’t go say Fractals wasn’t content. I’m simply saying someone who says that there hasn’t been content since the fractals is wrong….or in this case actual content.

You’re defending the guy who said there’s no “actual” content? Really?

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

I’ve never attacked anyone for complaining about gear grind. I’ve attacked people who keep bringing up Anet said something 87 years ago and it changed.

Now, Vayne, that’s clearly incorrect. ArenaNet was founded in the Spring of 2000 (I’ll assume Northern Hemisphere Spring because that’s where Bellevue is). That makes it around 13 1/2 years old, which is clearly a much smaller number of years than 87. Don’t go saying things that aren’t completely, absolutely, and verifiably true on these forums – we wouldn’t want people to get the wrong impression.

Vayne.8563:

I believe you have no clue what these players want. You’re making the assumption that they bulk of players think the way you do. It may be true that the bulk of posters on the forums feel that way, but since most people lurk, we don’t actually know what they think.

How do you know that most players lurk? Do you have metrics from ArenaNet? This is just speculation. For all you know, most players post, and our friend Erick is spot on with his statistical analysis.

I just wanted to make sure that what you said wasn’t misinterpreted by anyone. Must be correct to a “T”, as it were.

Have a nice day!

;)

Hi Chuo. I thought you’d understand that an obvious exaageration to make a point is completely different than hyperbole where people are exaagerating things for different reasons. It’s a form of humor. People do it all the time.

Completely different from the type of misinformation usually spread by some people on these forums.

xephire.8324:

I don’t give a fig about teq battle and Sanctum Sprint and Southsun Survival but fractals were actually good.

Yep. I was never convinced you were the target audience for this game.

Arkham Creed.7358:

If I am rude it is because I am tired of getting the same old runaround, I consider THAT to be very rude. If Arena Net wants me to be more respectful, they can start by giving me a straight, honest answer.

You’re not getting a runaround. You refuse to accept that this isn’t a priority. They know about it, it’s on a list. That’s not a runaround. No one said it would be fixed soon or by a certain date.

The runaround is in your mind.

Nikaido.3457:

This game will obviously either tank or it might have found the dumbest community and took it as its own. There is no content. The last actual content introduction was fractals.

Do you know the number of people who play this game who don’t give a fig about the Fractals at all? Do you believe most players want challenging content? Do you believe that the fractals are what this game was meant to be about?

If so, I don’t know what to say.

Actual content. As if you or anyone else has a right to say this is good content and this is bad content. And you know, I like the fractals and all, but I much prefer the Teq battle. For that matter, I prefer Sanctum Sprint and Southsun Survival.

Quarktastic.1027:

Vayne.8563:

I posted something like this a while back..but I called it “grit” instead of dark.

The game lacks the realism to make you afraid. You’re always aware you’re playing a game. I’d hoped this game would have been more immersive than it is, but several design decisions conspired against that. Frankly I’m beginning to run out of hope that anyone will ever make an immersive MMO.

Why must everything be dark, gritty and realistic to be immersive? What happened to games like Okami and Shadow of the Colossus? Games that could be immersive and captivating without the dark and gritty realism.

When I’m a poor person, in my home instance and it looks the same as a rich person in my home instance…there’s no litter, nothing at all like that…that’s not immersive. The original Cantha in Guild Wars 1 was an immersive city because it felt like people lived there. Even a slum type area would have been nice in DR. Just something to make it feel real and lived in.

I don’t use dark, I use gritty because there should be some grit in this kind of world and I don’t feel/see it. I’m not saying everything should be that way.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Zegai.8256:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know any professions that only have one viable build. Maybe they only have one viable build if you’re building for ONLY efficiency, which I think is the OP’s point.

I’m sure none of the builds I use regularly, you’d consider viable…but I still beat dungeons and fractals with them on a regular basis. I’m sure it takes me longer to run a dungeon than it takes you. I just don’t care.

Considering you can beat dungeons and fractals with characters below lvl 80, I don’t think that’s a viable benchmark. I pvp a lot, so I’ve heard all the false hype and promises in the world from certain devs that are incapable of following through. PVE is designed to be casual and relatively easy so that anyone can pick it up and complete the content. It’s unfortunate that a majority of the game’s content drives players towards zerker gear. As far as being able to pvp on the same build you can faceroll pve content with, you’ll find your options drop drastically, moreso for certain classes. Even though hardly anyone plays it, pvp IS one of the 3 realms of gw2 gameplay. The fact that they haven’t been able to allow for more than 1-2 builds for the vast majority of classes is a disgrace.

The Tequatl update proves this.

If you want to beat the dragon, you have to do insane damage, ONLY damage. Nothing else matters. You are fighting the time limit, not the dragon.
If you don’t have as high ranged damage as other classes, you are stuck supporting those that can achieve high ranged damage.
The only failure is the time. Nothing needs to be protected, the dragon just stands still until the timer is up.

It only enforces ranged + zerker.
Condition cap makes condition damage not viable in large fights so they don’t explore condition builds.

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It doesn’t help that some weapons are perfect. They have everything you need in a fight.
You are encouraged to go high damage, as a Warrior, the Greatsword has everything you need:
-A ranged snare.
-2 Chase skills
-One Chase skill is an evade
-Powerful AoE

No one uses the burst skill with the Greatsword, so you build your traits around always having high adrenaline and never use that F1 Burst skill, it’s so weak.

So what you have is a community trained to using the same tactics.

Make the Greatswords for Warrior and Guardian a powerful, larger AoE skills but less mobile melee weapon.
Make it a less perfect weapon for any situation and you got some play style diversity. Now you cannot chase ranged players all day long with no issue. Now you must consider bringing a sword and shield.
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This can be said for most classes.
People keep using the perfect weapon with the most uses/damage and don’t explore other options.
You don’t need builds, you need different play styles.

The Teq fight proves nothing. All the way people are building for everything else doesn’t work in Tequatl. You need to have high power, but high precision and crit damage do nothing to them.

Tquatl is more about coordination. If they guys on the guns know what htey’re doing and if people protect them, you’ll have them buffing and clearing poison off the zerg, which should be stacked, and taking scales of Tequtl.

It’s a technique fight as much as a damage race. We almost beat it early and I was on my ranger. We got him down about 5% at the end.

The reason why lost was people not taking the scales off, not the damage.

I agree. Frustration is no excuse for being rude. I fall into the same trap here, which is why I post less than I used to. I’d rather not be rude.

I got it tonight as well, but my group is full of guildies so I can’t try it out. We’re waiting for the next T’quatl fight. Almost got him last time.

Dante.1508:

Erick Alastor.3917:

I did a tl:dr of this thread.
I divided people who can accept the new direction of the game (green) from the ones that are not so willing to (red), there is also a group of players of which I did not understand very well their position (gray):
(22 pages are a lot of comments so I might have done a bit of confusion, please forgive me and remember that english is not my native language ç_ç)
Btw:
- 61 are ok with the current form of VP (top poster Vayne with ~111 posts)
- 132 are not ok with the idea of VP (top poster MikaHR ~89 posts)
- Of 35 I was not able to fully understand their position, some I suppose didn’t give a lot of weight to this topic, some other remain neutral and highlight the good points of both reds and greens (top poster Lanfear ~8 post)

p.s. I know I played the ape with some of the greens quotes (not even so much btw), but it’s not a secret that I’m rooting for the reds :P

You can put my name into the Against, i’m completely against this junk and the new direction Guildwars 2 is sliding into.

Honestly so many pages and so much negativity, which wasn’t hard to predict after seeing Nov last year exactly the same.

I believe this company really hasn’t a clue what their players want and are just out for money at this point, i could be wrong but the way Anet projects it on this forum it honestly does not feel like the community good or bad is wanted or even liked at all..

Just look at this thread for example, so much anger and hate for their new additions and not one reply or even a sorry to their community, that’s pretty arrogant imo.

I believe you have no clue what these players want. You’re making the assumption that they bulk of players think the way you do. It may be true that the bulk of posters on the forums feel that way, but since most people lurk, we don’t actually know what they think.

And there are people who said on day one, omg this is terrible grind and then a few days later said it wasn’t as bad as they thought it would be.

On that note, if this is the last tier of gear, I’m okay with it. If there’s a tier after this, I probably won’t be.

Xcom.1926:

Vayne.8563:

It’s interesting. Probably not very useful when it comes down to the fact that most of the people I know who enjoy the game have stopped posting here altogether, because they’ve been attacked by people who don’t enjoy the game.

That argument can go both ways. Even when players have valid criticisms like this gear grind one, they are attacked.

I’ve never attacked anyone for complaining about gear grind. I’ve attacked people who keep bringing up Anet said something 87 years ago and it changed. Yes, it changed. Last November. If you don’t like the change move on…because it’s already changed. It’s not going to change back.

I don’t particularly love the change myself but having the same argument for ten months isn’t helping anyone.

Erick Alastor.3917:

I did a tl:dr of this thread.
I divided people who can accept the new direction of the game (green) from the ones that are not so willing to (red), there is also a group of players of which I did not understand very well their position (gray):
(22 pages are a lot of comments so I might have done a bit of confusion, please forgive me and remember that english is not my native language ç_ç)
Btw:
- 61 are ok with the current form of VP (top poster Vayne with ~111 posts)
- 132 are not ok with the idea of VP (top poster MikaHR ~89 posts)
- Of 35 I was not able to fully understand their position, some I suppose didn’t give a lot of weight to this topic, some other remain neutral and highlight the good points of both reds and greens (top poster Lanfear ~8 post)

p.s. I know I played the ape with some of the greens quotes (not even so much btw), but it’s not a secret that I’m rooting for the reds :P

It’s interesting. Probably not very useful when it comes down to the fact that most of the people I know who enjoy the game have stopped posting here altogether, because they’ve been attacked by people who don’t enjoy the game.

That’s the problem with stuff like forums. If you like something, you’re a blind fan boy. One of my guildies who used to post here asked me yesterday why I continue to torture myself. I told her that I don’t. I post because I find it entertaining.

I posted something like this a while back..but I called it “grit” instead of dark.

The game lacks the realism to make you afraid. You’re always aware you’re playing a game. I’d hoped this game would have been more immersive than it is, but several design decisions conspired against that. Frankly I’m beginning to run out of hope that anyone will ever make an immersive MMO.

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Wow..all the failed MMO’s core philosophy changed and all the successful ones didn’t. How interesting. I’d be interested to know which MMOs you consider failed and which you consider successful.

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Nope, LOTRO did not change core systems. They built new systems on top of the old ones, without invalidating the old ones. These include Legendary Weapons and Mounted Combat.

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Everyone that I know that played Lotro left the game because of the change to free to play and the increasing influence of the cash shop. Many people considered that a core change. It became a whole lot closer to pay to win for a lot of people. Unless you were one of the few who paid for a life time membership up front, the game’s changes were too much for many of the original players.

We had an entire cadre of Lotro players in my guild who just couldn’t play the game any more, because of the changes to what they considered to be core principles.

You might not see it that way but a there are definitely those who do.

Okay, let’s consider payment model a “core system”.

If that’s the case, haven’t you just proved my point?

That drastic changes to core systems cause MMO decline?

Sure, but the company made more money, ie was more successful when that system changed. The claim I was refuting was when someone here said that every time a company has done that the game has failed. It’s simply not true, that’s all.

I’m not saying they didn’t kitten people off and lose some players. I’m saying that they changed the core game and it didn’t cause the game to fail. I’m only answering someone’s argument, not saying that the game never lost a player over it. Their profits went up after the change, not down.

Actually, that’s not true either.

LOTRO saw an immediate boost after they went F2P for about the first year. The expansion Rise of Isengard, released during that time was their best-selling ever.

However, the next and most recent expansion, Riders of Rohan, seems to have been a major disappointment. Sales figures were never released, and there were lay-offs afterwards. This was for an iconic Middle Earth location, and an all-new game system: Mounted Combat.

I wonder if GW2 will follow the same trajectory. Initial boost after changing the core system, but long-term decline.

That’s the crux: has Anet sacrificed long-term growth for short-term retention with Ascendeds?

Well since their Riders of Rohan was AFTER the changes I talked about, and it was the most successful ever, I’d guess that it wasn’t those changes that caused the failure of the game.

You’re drawing major conclusions to say that the change of the game was the reason for the game doing badly now, when in fact we don’t really know that’s the case. In fact, the whole western thought process of blaming one thing is wrong in almost every case. There were probably dozens of reasons that conspired to cause the company to start losing money now, possibly the popularity of Guild Wars 2, in fact. Guild Wars 2 is one of the few games that might have taken people away from Lotro, because it’s so PvE centric, and the PvP and PvE are so well separated.

But the conclusions being drawn here are simply not supportable.

Again people make these sweeping, generalized statements, that really can’t be supported. They can guess. They can estimate. But no one really knows.

The only way anyone will know if the same thing will happen to Anet and Guild Wars 2 as happened to Lotro is to wait and see what happens.

I get that people are really vested in their view of how the game should be run…but most of us (including me) have neither the knowledge or experience to really see all ends.

None of us have the info that Anet has. None of us were present at productivity meetings, and none of us are privy to the ins and outs of how the game is doing.

Circumstantial evidence would suggest it’s doing at least okay but beyond that… we just don’t know.

So saying well this happened to Lotro because they changed something, when the game was doing fine for years after the change..that’s quite a stretch.

Xcom.1926:

Vayne.8563:

Theplayboy.6417:

I never read a negative thread post. I will delete. However it does seem that your posts are very one sided and you constantly rush to defend Anet in any decision that they make. I want GW2 to be the greatest fuxking game of all time. That’s why I post on these forums.

First, I’ve complained about numerous things, including RNG in cash boxes, content coming out too frequently and various other bits (such as the personal story changing from solo to five man for Arah).

That doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with people who make sweeping generalizations that are simply wrong, or people who come here just to bash the game without any constructive comments to back it up.

You don’t know anything about me.

But you are going out of your way to defend them on this. Apparently a lot of people do think that they said there would be no gear tiers. And their opinions are valid, what is the point in trying to say they are wrong?

I can understand that you might not agree with people here, but you are going out of your way and trying to dismiss everyone’s opinions on this after people have provided quotes and articles and videos defending their stance.

I mean you were doing this two months ago:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gear-Grind-or-People-leave/page/3

For the last time, I’m not defending gear tiers and if that’s all you’ve gotten from what I’ve said, you’re not reading what I’m saying.

A company makes statements about intent. They try to do what they say. It doesn’t work. They change their approach.

People are making this something personal. Anet betrayed me. Ummm, Anet doesn’t know you.

A company invests hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars into a project and they have a right, within the law, to manage that project as they see fit. This isn’t a betrayal of anyone. This is a company that tried to do something different and, from their perspective found it didn’t work.

I don’t say people shouldn’t post negatively about gear grind or about vertical progression. But saying a company lied (when they have no evidence of the intent to deceive) is a little rich. And saying that a company is now lying, because they’re in damage control mode…shrugs. PR departments are PR departments.

I don’t love vertical progression and I never have. I’ve said so. It’s not my preferred style.

ALL I’m saying is that I’m not so sure others here, even those complaining the most loudly, wouldn’t have done the same stuff Anet has done in the same situation.

It’s so so easy to say I’d never have done that. I’d have stuck to my guns. It’s very easy to say that until you have millions of dollars on the line.

Do I think the game is perfect? No. Do I think the game is great? No.

Do I think Anet woke up one day last November and said for no reason I think we should do a 180 and kitten off our more loyal fans? No.

I don’t think that’s what happened, and that’s pretty much all I’m saying.

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Wow..all the failed MMO’s core philosophy changed and all the successful ones didn’t. How interesting. I’d be interested to know which MMOs you consider failed and which you consider successful.

Star Wars Galaxies: widely hailed as one of the most innovative MMO’s ever. Totally gutted by the New Game Enhancements which turned it from an immersive sandbox into a twitch-shooter in space.

The NGE was so bad that Sony was still apologizing for it years later. Before their last few MMO’s launched they had to assure people they learned their lesson and would not be changing games drastically a la the NGE. It had become legendary in the MMO community.

Will Ascendeds eventually have a bad a reputation as the NGE? Nothing can probably top that debacle, but I predict the next game Anet makes they will have to assure people nothing like Ascendeds is planned.

Read about SWG and the NGE here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_101/560-Blowing-Up-Galaxies

I know that story. One game does not a trend make. It’s one game, and one I knew about. But is Lotro a successful MMO? Because that’s changed drastically since it’s inception and as far as I know they’re still making money.

Nope, LOTRO did not change core systems. They built new systems on top of the old ones, without invalidating the old ones. These include Legendary Weapons and Mounted Combat.

The best example is probably Legendary Weapons. They start at Level 50, and basically they are an alternate advancement system that gives you marginal buffs to your character skills. Everyone gets a very good one for free, and after that they drop like rain all over the place. Only the very upper tier Legendaries are hard to get or expensive.

Like the OP said, is there an example of an MMO that drastically changed core systems and did not decline? The only way it seems to work is if you shut down and essentially have a relaunch. This is what FFXIV did, to apparently great success. Just throwing that out there.

Everyone that I know that played Lotro left the game because of the change to free to play and the increasing influence of the cash shop. Many people considered that a core change. It became a whole lot closer to pay to win for a lot of people. Unless you were one of the few who paid for a life time membership up front, the game’s changes were too much for many of the original players.

We had an entire cadre of Lotro players in my guild who just couldn’t play the game any more, because of the changes to what they considered to be core principles.

You might not see it that way but a there are definitely those who do.

Okay, let’s consider payment model a “core system”.

If that’s the case, haven’t you just proved my point?

That drastic changes to core systems cause MMO decline?

Sure, but the company made more money, ie was more successful when that system changed. The claim I was refuting was when someone here said that every time a company has done that the game has failed. It’s simply not true, that’s all.

I’m not saying they didn’t kitten people off and lose some players. I’m saying that they changed the core game and it didn’t cause the game to fail. I’m only answering someone’s argument, not saying that the game never lost a player over it. Their profits went up after the change, not down.

Theplayboy.6417:

I never read a negative thread post. I will delete. However it does seem that your posts are very one sided and you constantly rush to defend Anet in any decision that they make. I want GW2 to be the greatest fuxking game of all time. That’s why I post on these forums.

First, I’ve complained about numerous things, including RNG in cash boxes, content coming out too frequently and various other bits (such as the personal story changing from solo to five man for Arah).

That doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with people who make sweeping generalizations that are simply wrong, or people who come here just to bash the game without any constructive comments to back it up.

You don’t know anything about me.

Theplayboy.6417:

Do not feed the Vayne troll!

Vayne is a GW2 Fanatic. Fanatics cannot be reasoned with. It is impossible to convince a Suicide Bomber that they are wrong in their ideals. Vayne’s actions are driven by how he interprets his Divine Guidance (Anet). He is a 51 Year old male or female pretending to be male who completes every single daily category achievement within the allotted time frame. He/She also has an exuberant amount of free time to play with very little real world distractions. This person is a “Know-It-All” and supposedly has a “Background in Retail”. The main objective of this person is to Troll every thread that does not praise his Arena Net Gods in an attempt to de-rail the thread and invoke forum users to post inappropriate posts to justify the deletition or closing of the thread. I know its easier to say than do but please try to not fall victim the Troll attempt!

LMAO! So I guess the negative stuff I’ve said means nothing…and I have said negative stuff. I disagree with the stuff I happen to disagree with. One would think that’s what forums are for.

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Thrumdi.9216:

Vayne.8563:

Wow..all the failed MMO’s core philosophy changed and all the successful ones didn’t. How interesting. I’d be interested to know which MMOs you consider failed and which you consider successful.

Star Wars Galaxies: widely hailed as one of the most innovative MMO’s ever. Totally gutted by the New Game Enhancements which turned it from an immersive sandbox into a twitch-shooter in space.

The NGE was so bad that Sony was still apologizing for it years later. Before their last few MMO’s launched they had to assure people they learned their lesson and would not be changing games drastically a la the NGE. It had become legendary in the MMO community.

Will Ascendeds eventually have a bad a reputation as the NGE? Nothing can probably top that debacle, but I predict the next game Anet makes they will have to assure people nothing like Ascendeds is planned.

Read about SWG and the NGE here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_101/560-Blowing-Up-Galaxies

I know that story. One game does not a trend make. It’s one game, and one I knew about. But is Lotro a successful MMO? Because that’s changed drastically since it’s inception and as far as I know they’re still making money.

Nope, LOTRO did not change core systems. They built new systems on top of the old ones, without invalidating the old ones. These include Legendary Weapons and Mounted Combat.

The best example is probably Legendary Weapons. They start at Level 50, and basically they are an alternate advancement system that gives you marginal buffs to your character skills. Everyone gets a very good one for free, and after that they drop like rain all over the place. Only the very upper tier Legendaries are hard to get or expensive.

Like the OP said, is there an example of an MMO that drastically changed core systems and did not decline? The only way it seems to work is if you shut down and essentially have a relaunch. This is what FFXIV did, to apparently great success. Just throwing that out there.

Everyone that I know that played Lotro left the game because of the change to free to play and the increasing influence of the cash shop. Many people considered that a core change. It became a whole lot closer to pay to win for a lot of people. Unless you were one of the few who paid for a life time membership up front, the game’s changes were too much for many of the original players.

We had an entire cadre of Lotro players in my guild who just couldn’t play the game any more, because of the changes to what they considered to be core principles.

You might not see it that way but a there are definitely those who do.