I’m not even sure if there is any easy solution. The dungeons are pretty fragile and obviously people try to stretch the limits as much as possible to get the best time. Even if we reached a consensus with current cases more will surely appear in the future.
I think we need to make some kind of a plan how we will deal with these kind of things. Do we want that people play dungeons as “intended” or as “fun”? Do we want the community decide or some individual how rules are interpreted?
I would suggest making Jerem an approver as he frequents the dungeon forum quite a lot. Right now Deathly is the only one approving records and he can’t exactly do that to his own.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. If you can pass the gate with a teleport why can’t you pass with it jumping? If you can just jump over something is it really progress blocking?
Or if you can pass a blockade before it appears why can’t you pass it after it appears?
All pathways that are designed to block progress through the path must be opened. You may not have any party member(s) get past blocked passages until the required sequence/dialogue has been completed.
Reason for this discussion is that there have been few questions about it and it’s very unclear what it’s supposed to mean. Rule 8 already bans getting out of bounds by any means.
Some situations where rule 5 may or may not apply:
AC Story: People have just jumped over the gate which blocks progress.
CoE Exp: But people don’t jump over the gate here.
Arah P2: Getting past a blockade before it activates.
Arah P4: Jumping over a blockade.
So what do you guys think this rule should mean or is it simply unnecessary? Why some jumping is ok but some aren’t?
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It may be prone to leeching, but since the rewards seem to be player-based…
Seems to me that anet wants its players to be spread out across the maps, so exclusive rewards may be a problem unless you make it so that their acquisition can be gradual, despite extreeeeemeeeeely slooooooow at lower levels of “power”.That would hit exclusivity, but honestly I don’t care much… I know some who do, though. Two separate sets of.. skins? may do the trick.
Or mats. Mats are good.
Would reapers detect stealth? Would walking in pack still be beneficial? Can you split a 5 man party to represent different factions and ramp up the rewards?
Lots of possibilities…
Leeching would kind of be a thing. Ideally when you take down an epic boss you have one or two players with lots of soul power carrying the group. They would be kind of like commanders but with super powers. If the event succeeds, everyone would get a good chunk of rewards but the “commanders” would be the ones who get something exclusive.
It should be hard to reach the epic boss area for most players.. Just facerolling would quickly get you killed and people can choose to not help you up. There would probably be a bit hostility but one point of soul power is to give bigger impact to more experienced players.
I have thought a bit about a challenging open world content. It was pretty long time ago so I have probably forgot most stuff but here are some concepts which I think are necessary.
An entry free
A mechanic to kick dead players out
Anti-zerg mechanics
Player-based difficulty
Difficulty based rewards
For example Underworld:
4 factions: Reapers, Spiders, Skeletons and Gravelings (or something more interesting). Factions hostile to each other.
4 areas: Spider base, Skeleton base, Graveling base and no-mans land in the middle. Area of sizes would dynamically change depending on events.
Reapers are extremely lethal and attempt keep balance. They detect presence of players and ambush them. Stronger the presence, more likely ambushes happen (anti-zerg). Visible danger meter.
Doing stuff would give soul power to players. Upon death, soul power is lost. Soul power increases your character’s strength and presence (player based difficulty).
More soul power you get, more likely you get attacked (until you can’t keep up). But you would also get some special abilities to get some big rewards, like spawn a broodmother or just have strong abilities to help with tough enemies (difficulty based rewards).
Necrid horsewagonmen would patrol the area and kick out any defeated players. They are neutral but very dangerous if attacked. So saving players would be possible.
If I were to fund this project, I would say “Move along. See what was wrong and make sure it will not happen in the upcoming content.”
By the ways, you cannot possibly fix someone else’s work after two years and more. No one has time for it. New developers will just take what they can salvage to build up a new content.
I have been bit busy so the whole thing is bit rushed. Hopefully people can verify profession specific stuff. Anyways, I will release this on reddit tomorrow for feedback and another attempt at boost lottery submissions.
You could save a thousand kids from a burning orphanage and reddit wouldn’t be happy because you are too efficient and are clearly an elitist min maxer to be able to save that many children. Didn’t stop to inhale the smoke and immerse yourself in their screams. Scumbag.
Yeah, they haven’t done anything and aren’t going to do anything. But clearly they can make demands and are experts in all areas of everything.
So apparently based on reddit, I’m a bad person because of the lottery. I’m not being fair, instead I force people to get nothing out of their hard work.
Whoever designed dual wield agility, I just want to punch some sense into their face. Think about all the time it took for devs to plan, discuss, write code, revise, test, write code, test, implement…only to end up with this abysmally horribad grandmaster trait. So much time wasted.
How can you say it’s weak? It allows you to deal infinitely times more damage in some cases.
Anyways, do someone know how stack limits exactly work? With 25 might, do new might replace the oldest stacks? With duration stacking like stealth or swiftness, are extra stacks ignored while you are capped?
I am shocked how about always 25% never played a class. For me it is one of the first things: try out all the classes. I remember players who played one single class for thousand of hours – that I don’t get.
I personally don’t count it as trying unless you actually learn the profession.
Combat, Defense and Other pages are in pretty good shape now. I don’t know all professions that well so can people help me write up short combat notes for missing professions?
I had a quite interesting elementalist today on my team. Literally on every boss, he either used ice bow when boss was almost dead or half of the team had downed.
And this was in AC where one good burst would just melt everything.
This is the problem – Gaile’s post created more confusion. Instead of answering yes or no to simple question she made a general statement that actually means nothing.
Anyways goal of my incoming general guide is to hopefully reduce these issues. Though I don’t think anything can solve the issue with people who don’t care.
