Guild Wars 2

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Profession: Mesmer
Traited: DPS Support Reflection Quickness
Experience: All paths done multiple times.
Time: Evenings GMT
Other: Happy to help anyone, just pm me and if not on guild commitments will come along.

Amazing post, if people trolled like this more often i would love it.

Why not make elites class specfic and the second class you can use the same skill from there weapons if your main class can equip the weapon. Then say you can use utilities.

Could see alot of elemental / thiefs with cloak and dagger as there 5th skill.

Torch is bugged. Zerker is bugged. Spear is bugged. Clones are bugged.

Will do bags, then shards, then skill points to make more gold. The karma saved will be used to try get a return from jewelry boxes. One of the few currencies that you can liquidate in more ways even with just a few. Unlike dungeons where you need quite alot to get the exotic to use it, but then its a nice content gateway for some of the awesome skins it provides.

Mesmer, inspiration line, with the signet can give full set (apart from stability) boons to whole party. Take mantra of pain a the right trait. You can now heal while dps’ing (average) while also supplying massive amounts of boons.

Enjoy.

Put precursors in them.

I know its random. But 1 run of fractals one day gave me 6 rares and an exotic but normally 3 rares per run. But if i farm, do my daily, 1 hour wvw, then fractals, i get nothing.

Random i know, but still true.

nerva.7940:

Huh? Never seen any power precision sb builds I take it? Ranger’s sb is mostly a utility weapon with a spammable evade cripple and stun which makes it infinitely more effective for skirmishing. Thief has to spam sb from a safe distance and brings ZERO utility for your team. Think before u speak.

Off topic:

Spammable evade – thief has it.

Stun – thief doesnt have it.

Thief has to spam sb from a safe distance…..thats the idea of it, but if they get close, shotgun with cluster bomb is very painful for anybody.

Zero utillity. So steal items dont count (each made to counter the profession it was stolen from). Aoe res’ing + group stealth. The fact they dont get targeted first since to hard to pin down and kill, thus more dps. The fact the weapon does more dps and the ranger pet gets killed.

Now add they can do massive condiition damage. Great aoe damage. Teleport for fast map roaming. Poison field (that is normally traited to cause weakness as well). Aoe stealth with blast finisher and smoke field.

You are basically wrong in every way, and should now stop posting useless rubbish on the forums that are designed to help people.

(Do note the ranger shortbow is very strong as well, and in good hands, can easily hold its own against the thief shortbow and out do it.)

So to finish my quote for i will quote you once more: “Think before u speak”

Capturing your elite skills and having more than 3 to choose from. Having 30 to choose from and then 30 from every other class ingame.

Duel classes.

More skill choices and rearranging your skill bar.

Glows around bosses.

Bosses actually only using available skills ingame but being higher lvl than the lvl cap.

I use fury alot.

Though looking at Auesis stats, i might have to go out and buy a whole new set of armour. Power Vitality Toughness seems to give better results than Power Precision Toughness.

Though i am guessing Auesis has maxed out the critical hits line, where my stats are 0,0,30,25,15.

Should be without any boons or food. Full stacks of sigils should be allowed though. Nice stats: Auesis

Think as you upgraded the quiver and books it changes colour. From brown, to a rarer colour like abyss? Would make sense. Alot of sense. Would be easy to do, etc etc.

Aquin.3192:

Um… does not one else see the problem here?

Does it really make sense for heartseeker to hit the player and not give reveal?

They really should adjust that to limit this nonsense.

Leap finish through a field applies the effect. Leap through a smoke field applies stealth, would be stupid if every leap ability through a smoke field applied revealed, since it would just ruin the combo, since there would be no stealth and thus smoke field with leap finishers would be useless.

Loved the video, dagger/pistol will be the new backstab build if the current one ever gets nerfed, and since it is more tanky with more stealth ppl will cry if it becomes the new cookie build.

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Culling is significantly worse.

I think the Tri should be better. Now anyone can buy one from dailys and put a 5 precision and 5 agony stone in.

I found out you could still put a 5 agony stone in.

I think the Tri should offer something extra:

- Just a higher stat of something, 5 extra agony? 5 extra to every stat?

- A small aura type glow, that is barely noticeable but still there?

Its the hardest amulet to get, and has a history with Arenanet.

Edit: If all top end gear is meant to be the same. How comes the same amulet with a different name for a whole 30 days worth of dailys (easy) can have better stats than what is meant to be the exact same amulet but worth alot of gold and effort in crafting. It can have a choice of all 3 stones, it might just be 5 difference to one stat, but that still means the same end game items are different.

Adaneshade.2409:

He asked for help with understanding thief gameplay. Mostly what I see is “QQ I died to a thief” on threads.
I answer every post I see with legitimate questions like “How do I improve?”. Has nothing to do with being an"expert" or not.

PS. - As you can see, most people who replied stated they weren’t “experts” but were still willing to help as best they could.

Indeed.

15 char

Dagger Dagger, Cloak and Dagger 5# move. Count 3 seconds, rinse and repeat.

Blinding powder.

Heal.

Shadow Refuge.

30 crits, 30 shadow arts (crit 100% out of stealth), 10 for mug.

Wont be instant killing people, but nice damage and damage taking in wvwvw. Lots of stealth. Lasts 4 seconds longer. Heals you. 25% health go into it. 2 stealth moves on the utilities. 1 stealth move on heal. Repeatable stealth move on attack in melee range.

If you want condition damage, look at pistol dagger. And use the same move and utilites above with different traits, armours, runes, sigils.

Shortbow as second weapon always for a new player, quick escape and quick movement, nice aoe damage if you are scared to get involved in the fight.

You play with your mesmer in wvwvw with him, and his blinding powder can stealth you and your clones adding to the confusion.

Stealth stops, stealth res, daggerstorm for aoe to reflect projectiles or basalisk venom for a nice stun.

Not any good with thief but decent information, much more available if you spend the 5 mins i took to wrote this to look through the thief forums here.

Downed state higher in wvwvw.

No revives.

Smaller teams could camp places to stop single players running back to the zerg as a new tatic to slowly kill a zerg.

Thief.

15 char

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

Though I agree with you and what you say to an extent, I will say that small well organized guilds can easily wipe a zerg double their size. Just look at guilds like RedGuard and groups like them. It is possible.. It just requires discipline, superior communication/organization and class builds.

Though I do understand not all guilds wish to be “super serious” inside of WvW, but it can be done! Choking off supply camps and holding off enemy reinforcements is something a small group/guild can do rather easily and can benefit their teams assaults a lot.

I have ran with RedGuard and they have lots of videos. There communication is brilliant, 12 man team, i have seem it dominate zergs of over double the number (pugs). The ability to res, helps them massively.

I have gone back to dagger dagger. Pistol dagger is awesome, but unless you run venoms, its hard to keep poison on the target and i find that all your damage going through a stack of bleeds that everyone can remove gets rather irritating.

I dont like backstab burst, but you cant complain that it doesnt work. In a wvw big fight, i teleport to the back lines, and start dropping rangers, eles. Cloak and dagger, backstab, 6k+ damage, move to next target. They all start attacking you or trying to find you (use stealth). As injured people run back from the front lines with low health, heartseeker to drop them, or backstab for more damage. Dont worry about stomping, by the time you do that you could of dropped two more people in the downstate. And if they try to res, you have a perfect target to auto attack for more ini recovery. This also takes 2 people out of the battle.

Condition damage just can’t do this strategy.

20% more damage when below 50%
10% more damage when ini is above 6
10% more damage if they have a coniditon

Steal does massive damage since a power build. Good for spike and shotgunning cluster bomb on top of them.

Aoe poison/weakness

12% increase in crit chance when hitting from side and at high health.

3 dodges. That give swiftness. And if you heal you get vigor, your heal is also a dodge.

Ini is recovered when you get crits as well as through a utility skill, tho i would swap this for shadows refuge, since its to good not to have.

Heal and utility create distance. Teleport used for escaping, gap closing.

Elite daggerstorm, you should know why.

Decent enough build, if your scared to fight up close.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAV8alYmiO3dy9E+5Ey2jKcn4JdG0EO1fgrA;TIAg0CnA

Equipment and sigils/runes are up to you and your gold balance.

Mesmer. Take blinding powder. Be the same race/sex.

When the mesmer is putting out illusions, and people are trying to take it down, goes invulable, has decent burst, has stun, mass invisibility.

Next your blinding powder is aoe stealth, your stealth field is aoe stealth. If those clones go invis, it makes it so hard to track a mesmer. Also mesmer can blink away and keep up with you for awhile.

Me and a friend are very powerful with this mix.

Thats the skill you want, a backflip and aoe spread damage with multiple hits.

2 asura from Baka guild. One is a mesmer, another is a thief. Been fighting you for last few hours (t3 armour human female thief). Just amazed at the amount of stealth you had, was great fun.

Lost my golem on teleport to lions arch for new build. Sad face.

Use 100% in pve. Dont need in in wvw, since to much aoe just drops them or on smaller battles prefer other things.

Harbinger.8637:

When hit by a catapult, players are instantly downed(not just knocked down).
When hit by a trebuchet, players are killed instantly(no downed state).

So if you are hit by a Golem do you get kicked from the game?

This made me chuckle.

No point having Crit chance without crit damage. Best to mix in some zerker gear, or/and runes. Vitality is better than toughness, for us.

Ask for help, or come back when you are a much higher level. Gear check yourself every 10 lvls (go on AH and buy the best gear (never above green) until lvl 70))

Try playing a few other cookie cutter builds of other classes in pvp for a day or two. Will make you 100% better as a thief. Saw you attacking an elementalist with magnetic aura on for example.

Otherwise was a very good video and nice to see another thief without shadow refuge. Did you know that if you did take shadow refuge, you could use it for a lifesteal shot x5, 5 bleeds, and a stealth. Also could use it to revive down teammates or other things.

Keep up the good work.

Would love rifle and axe to be available weapons.

I like the ability and play backstab thief. I use it about 10% of the time. Its not worth it when i have much better abilities to use. If it got toned down by 10% damage, i wouldnt even notice since its intended as a very last finisher move or to do nice damage to down’d targets. Anything more and it looses its use. If you see a thief about to use it you can immoblize, knockback, dodge, chill, blind, aegis, or if above 50% health, laugh. Yes it can be annoying at times when against a thief and the moment i get below 50% health he spams 4 heartseekers while my cooldowns are up. But then i remember he has got me below 50% health without using his best abilites to save up for this burst, and its my fault for using up my cooldowns to early in a fight.

If a thief comes and helps a 2v1, and just smashes you with it, its a 2v1 against a burst class, what do you expect? Any burst spec joining a 1v1 midfight can do the same, thief is just very noticeable.

Check the picture out. While playing a very glass cannon build (medium vitality) a thief hits me 4 times with haste before i can react. Since i had conditions on he had an extra 10% attack, and i am guessing he was running scholar and had another 10% for being on full health. While i do not know his build, if a warrior even waved at him he would go into the downstate since he is also glass cannon. Just because thieves have a move you don’t like doesnt mean we dont get attacked by it as well. And we have some of the lowest of everything defence wise ingame.

A new method i have of fighting larger groups is lure them near a present and open it. Can even out fights and makes it quite interesting.

There is one present that is near a wall/gate, that is great to try open on the defenders and npcs while 2 groups zerg.

Really makes an interesting idea and is great fun. Since the presents can quite easily kill you and being knockdown in the middle of the enemy group is asking for death.

Would love to see something implemented like this is WvWvW, take a point placed on the map that you need to channel for a certain amount of time and it spawns a random group of quite strong npc mobs that throw around conditions and attacks anyone. Be a shame when wintersday is over and all the presents go, i know i have enjoyed them.

180 for the lodestone. The chests can drop it very rarely as well. I know i would start doing multiple dungeon runs and paths a day for this. Also give story something, fed up of seeing people trying to get a story group together and no one is interested, i do waste alot of time just helping people do the story modes and the amount of groups that cant open dungeons is stupid. But all of that is way way off topic. 2 cents over.

Nearly my build and having great success with it. The 50% speed boost in stealth is amazing, can now use C&D (if your good at landing it) as a way to escape groups of enemies.

Its all good fun.

Bought moonshank, thanks for the picture. Any other dagger skins floating around?

Best counter against a P/D thief, block or blind, then stay at range. Rinse and repeat.

Against two warriors use the stolen item on top of them. With caltrops, they both will drop. 1 down, one dead.

Can you even use the rank emote in pve. Or just when standing in the mists and no one really cares.

Its a very powerful ability.

Answer is no. 100% sure. Feel free to send the gold to Lawe. Good day. lol

Good watch. Sometimes amazed at the healing that the thief can do.

With sword you dont really use much of your ini. Ever thought of getting lead attacks in, 15% damage increase.

If you took haste as the stun break, you can get a massive dps boost in a vital moment to down that one really important person in the fight, or use it to break a stun to save your life (tho its cooldown is long.)

I really love the sword thief, but yet to find a build that works in spvp since the pistol whip nerf. It has such potential but other builds out there do more support damage and survival.

I can convince you to use shadow rufuge. Most important part of spvp is not downing foes, but getting the stomp.

Start the stomp, teleport away while channeling the stomp with shadow rufuge, then use the return right at the end to finish the stomp. Most enemies wont see it coming, harder to stop it etc. In the middle of a crowd you can teleport away, they will think your running and try to res, then you teleport back and get the kill. Just try it, easier to do than explain.

I like the fact you kept the spider venom in your build and understand why it is so good. I also use the venoms for extra healing, healing 2k during your attacks with the cooldown on venoms meaning you can do it often, really adds to your ability to stay in the fight.

Wish i could have caltrops in the build, love the ability and on points is rather powerful.

Its perfect. Thanks guys, no one can improve it

Yukishiro.8792:

Mobility (i.e. incombat-mobility) being different by class is fine. Out of combat mobility (i.e. swiftess) being different by class is more questionable. I don’t really see the balance benefit of giving some classes easy perma-swiftness and some classes no easy perma-swiftness. Why do that?

To get out of speed combat takes vital stat points or runes. My mesmer has 100% swiftness out of combat, with runes. Instead of taking the curtain. I loose damage and a rune 6 slot skill for this, but i think it is important.

A thief has to take shortbow or a utility shot for its mobility, or trait on dodge roll and risk not having a dodge if jumped by people.

It allways needs something to have, and people realise how important speed out of combat is so they sacrifice for it as the norm. A thief without a shortbow off hand, could have a life steal on weapon swap, same set weapons, and get 1.4k heal every 9 seconds. Or 3 stacks of bleeding, or next hit crits etc. But they always take a shortbow since mobility is more important than the above. Some also seem in love with the signet for speed, but i just find it takes up a utility slot that could be better used.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYUQNAqYVlUmiOHay1E95EB3jkC1mqp4m2sTxV5KA;T0AgyCuogxAjAGrPOYk+s+YswpgXBzCA

Thats the link. Now what do you suggest to improve it? Been slowly playing around all day with this build and changing bits here or there. For elite i sometimes use daggerstorm, but thieves guild is just to good 80% of the time.

Idea is apply bleeds, use c&d to apply stealth. With the venoms can stop a target for your team, and use it for rather good sustain.

Utilities, the shadow step for pure surivial with condition removal. Wouldnt enter spvp without a stun break, ever.

Venoms for healing, applying poison and weakness, and immobility which i think is stronger than stun.

Runes increase bleeding to 6 ticks. Another 10% on the weapon doesnt make a difference. Another 15% in the armour takes it to 7 ticks but loose 50 condition damage and 33% increase in poison.

Traits provide decent bonus’s and the only one i do not really feel the need for is the vigor on heal (every 30 seconds). Yet no where else interests me for the 5 points.

Just really seeing places i have missed which may lead to the build being better?

Also for the new players to spvp, try this rather than backstab, you will live longer.

Thanks