Honestly, if ANet is going to be trimming features in their own game to make it less intimidating to new players, then we’re going to have to talk about the elephant in the room: the Holy Trinity.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with the current non-holy trinity system, but many games use it, anyone who has experience in other MMOs will be more familiar with that playstyle, and the boring and straightforward nature of the trinity also makes it extremely easy to learn for those who have don’t have experience in MMOs. It already seems like ANet is starting to flirt with that concept given the recent introduction of the Nomad set (and possibly the upcoming Forsaken and Apostate sets, which seem like off-tanking stats).
I doubt they’ll remove dodging altogether, but does anyone else think they’ll be making tanking and healing viable alternatives to dodging? Would it be a reasonable expectation to see this change if the goal is to grow the player base by appealing to people who didn’t like GW2?
I wouldn’t be surprised if upper management was ordering them to make it more like WoW/other MMOs. I don’t think they’ll do it, though.
Oh, but that would be rich: Lots of people asking for new classes, and they add the GW1 monk as a healbot class. Total Monkey’s paw.
They have wildstar metrics (which are not great) if upper management need to see what a draw a trinity system is over what GW2 has now.
Tournament is 4 weeks long, it is the weekend, those items can be crafted.
Archmage up, giant up
lol, what is the game after that? Archeage is not that game, you know, the be all and end all of everything. Not even close really.
Can you still unlock all of your weapon skills at level 2?
No, normally I would hit level 6 before I got all my weapon skills unlocked by killing things.
Lvl 6? man you must have pushed it. I was 8 most times and that was focusing on all weapons, underwater and land. So those extra minutes of not having every weapon unlocked between then and now must be incredibly stressful for some people.
I take it you are new to the concept of gaming.
Here is a crash course:
Games are designed by developers who are gamers.
Games are published by publishers who are corporate suits.
Corporate suits care about the bottom line, which means increasing market share.
Increasing market share requires you to “dumb things down” in order to make the product appealing to a bigger segment of people.This happens in all games that have a publisher.
Your options, unfortunately, are to either accept the changes or find a small game company that doesn’t use a publisher.
Pretty much this. Though dumbing down effect is kind of drama gone wild these days.
I tend to think an HONEST opinion from anyone at Anet on EXACTLY how any established player (of any age or mental ability) would react to these “changes” (the prior TRAIT changes from FP1 included) would be quite informative.
There is NO WAY any intelligent person could not see that 90% of existing players are going to look at all these leveling changes in a negative light (and it’s NOT just because they are “different”). Presenting the changes with the banner, “A Fresh Start”, is propaganda and hyperbole at it’s worst.
A simple, “We’re sorry, this was forced on us too.” reply would go a long way for me….
The irony of claiming that any intelligent person would automatically assume 90% of GW2 players will hate this, and then making a reference to “hyperbole at its worst” is lost on you, isn’kitten
Negative is not equal to hate…..I don’t “hate” ALL the changes but some of them are just BAD and overall, I would think anything that makes an existing player NOT want to start an ALT is not GOOD or POSITIVE…..agreed?
Show me ONE existing player that thinks ALL these changes are for the better….just one.
I’m neutral on most of them, as the “new player experience” doesn’t apply to me or most of my toons. I could most likely dig up quite a few players who are indifferent and have no intention of quitting in a huff. It doesn’t matter. Anet didn’t make these decisions in a vacuum, and time will tell if they are beneficial to what Anet wants to accomplish as a business. When the game stops being fun, I’ll stop playing. Until then, I won’t. And there are absolutely others who feel the same way I do. Most of them just don’t have the desire to form adversarial relationships in an internet forum.
I agree, when the time comes that the joy is not enough I too will leave. That day is not today or tomorrow and I certainly won’t be here for months or years telling everyone.
Was last year so poor? I enjoyed it. I didn’t start until Jan 2013 so I missed the first one but is it really so bad or is it “forum” thing?
Mostly a forum thing. They also released new content when it was still going so it was empty on a lot of servers.
The things that bothers me is the level gating i don’t care about any thing else. The trait but it doesn’t bothers me as much as it did during the first feature pack.
If you get to whatever is “gated” in a similar amount of play time because leveling is faster why does it bother you?
If it takes an hour of play to unlock X now, and it took about that long to unlock it before what is the problem ?
I am not trying to dismiss your concern. I really am curious. Most of my RPG experience has been with games that dont use levels so I tend to think of them as arbitrary numbers used for ease of encounter balance rather than anything meaningful for the character himself.
That is basically what levels are.
So it is basically ’Don’t give me this specific thing you gave me, I want this vague thing instead that you need to guess at*?
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i noticed people sell items and gold in ebay, is it legal to buy from there? or is it banable?
Buy the game, probably. Not a chance that buying gold and items is allowed. Get caught lose your account. Up to you.
They are shortening Halloween because it was too confusing and overwhelming for new players.
I doubt it. Did you read this somewhere?
they are trying desperately to be clever. It works in forums you know.
I think 2 weeks is fine. I will be away from a computer for those 2 weeks like usual so that is when the Halloween skins will come back, some of which I would like to have. Life goes on.
Of course we are metrics, it was created to study group behaviour not the other way around. That you don’t believe it does not really change anything. People still believe the sun orbits the earth, does not change anything at all.
In game community can be great, mostly very helpful. If not and they are being what you consider too obnoxious the block system is there. Forums are meh, really not a good place to get in game information on the general forums, players helping players forum is quite good at giving direction and specific answers. I really wish there was a block system for forums.
Also, I expressed my opinion that a certain member here might actually be an employee in disguise. I promptly received an infraction, my post was deleted and so were any posts agreeing with, and quoting it.
> points to developer post in another thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/People-paid-or-rewarded-to-post-here/page/2#post4397899You do realize they would never admit, don’t you?
paranoia is a wonderful thing.
ANet sends me a precursor each month to pay me for posting on the forum.
I salvage it, I need the mithril.
lol
Yesterday I thought I’d never start another alt because of the changes, but you know with all the posts about how bad it is I’m starting to think I should start another character just to see how bad it is for myself and see just how long it does take to level up……
What a concept, doing something instead of following the lead whinge. Congrats.
What good would it do to have people designated to come on here and post positive things about the company? The forums are a cesspool of kiddie rage and hate bandwagons, so I doubt it makes any difference if there are people here being reasonable and suggesting that Anet isn’t a malicious entity with the sole enterprise of sucking dry your precious allowance money with evil cash shop schemes. Because from what I can tell, nobody listens to that.
+ lol
If you have proof then put it out, otherwise you are maligning a person and a company.
Your son can’t type?
Plus dailies very rarely give a hair kit and since you are leveling story line will give keys which open black lion chests which occasionally give kits.
I still haven’t tried out the new leveling system but the hundreds of posts about it plus the videos I’ve been watching create an image of something very tedious in my head.
This is the exact problem with the forums. Most of the ones screaming about how terrible these changes are have not actually played the changes themselves. They just read what other people are posting (who also have not played the changes) and then regurgitate it. I have a feeling Anet knows this. It’s probably one of the reasons they don’t put too much stock in what people say in the forums.
+1
Assumption of too much.
I’m sure new players will have a blast venturing into Frostgorge at level 6! No one would ever quit now, with such an efficient compass to lead to all these fun locations for players of all levels to experience!
Yes because everyone but select vets are morons, it has been pointed out before.
You speak of “moron” selected vets who follow the tutorial to their deaths?
what more new players! nudge nudge wink winkso much for “NPE” “user friendly” changes.! well of course! for the glory of Satan!
What a bizarre response
I’m sure new players will have a blast venturing into Frostgorge at level 6! No one would ever quit now, with such an efficient compass to lead to all these fun locations for players of all levels to experience!
Yes because everyone but select vets are morons, it has been pointed out before.
this needs a bump! ANET needs to see how wonderful the changes are!
/sarcasm
Video that shows outright wrong information is needed for what exactly?
Sorry arenanet, what were you possibly thinking when making this change for new players? This almost seems like this would turn people away instead of sticking with it
Again… That video is NOT accurate .. hardly at all. Check my post a few up with the thread of the things that are NOT locked.
People don’t want to know that. It doesn’t fit their views.
Empty threats are fairly useless.
Of course it is not as cool as screaming, stamping feet and spreading rumours.
People have been posting they want to have this. If it comes look up those posts and congratulate them.
This is the type of posts that I wish there were more of. Actual hands on and clear descriptions. The company can actually use this to further develop the game.
Why do people post without actually going in game? Yes you can use gates, did so on a lvl 2.
Why do you destroy junk? Sell all at any vendor get copper sure but less stress for you specifically it would seem.
This just in. A game which is not to everyone’s liking. The foundations of earth moved as the whole world watched in silence as 1% of it’s playerbase left and…nothing happened and life went on. Better for those who do enjoy the game, might I add.
Fortunately for me, I live in a little thing that I like to call “reality”
So, your made-up statistics have no effect on me. YOU can watch in silence as a percentage of the playerbase WHICH NEITHER YOU NOR I HAVE ANY METHOD OF ESTIMATING leaves the game. For your sake, I hope that “nothing happens” when I and people like myself stop playing. It would look pretty bad for a developer to manage their game so horribly that they literally kill it with their own decisions.
But, I think we all know that your “1% of the playerbase” number that you pulled out of thin air is full of the proverbial brown substance.
Probably not 1% but absolutely not a huge number. Every time a game company posts numbers of player posting or visiting the forums it is tiny. This is across all genres.
You still have map completion, you have lost nothing at all if they add things to different zones. You get nothing more if you go and get those new things either.
Do you know what a slap in the face is? I get the strong impression you are using it without doing so.
I can do all that. But you said the tediousness is in the heads of those who haven’t tried the new system, and I gave you an opposite example.
Point is starting a new character felt fun a few days ago. Even if the trait system update was unpleasant, it still felt like a worthwhile pursuit. But now I just don’t feel like doing it anymore. And I don’t think I’m alone.
No, obviously from the wailing and gnashing of teeth you are not. I am just saying from my own experience it was absolutely no problem getting the character up and running. You out of the levels so fast it is meaningless to worry about the bloody push 1 many are moaning and groaning about.
I think Vayne means that the rewards for leveling up are an improvement and he’s right about that. But it doesn’t remove the fact that the early game is a nightmare for veterans and newcomers alike.
Just rolled a assuri mesmer and took it to lvl 10 in an hour, broken up to do other things in game. No nightmare, smooth as it was when I did a mesmer over a year ago (personal bias, I really enjoyed mesmer from lvl 2 to 80 in game). Get nice shinny level up and a dodge chest now but otherwise the nightmare is in the heads of the people who have not tried the new system.
Yes, they made leveling faster. But it’s only for the starter zone. After that it’s the normal pace (correct me if they sped up leveling for the entire game).
And yes, I tried it. I found it extremely tedious with stripped game mechanics and limited options of gameplay, even if I level faster in the beginning. Sure, a new player won’t probably know the difference. But putting veterans through that on their Nth characters is too much. We have paid our dues, we don’t need hand-holding.
Then use one of the many other methods that veterans (myself included) use. EoTM crafting, dailies putting into dungeons if your group is willing at the end. None of that has changed.
Adapt or move on. How simple life is, innit?
Looks like there are at least a few who are choosing the latter.
What remains to be seen, is whether the “new player experience” will entice as many new players to join the game as it has current players to “move on”.
There was a game dev team that took that attitude when it came to the sweeping changes they made to the game and thought it would be cute to have a bit of tough love. Guess which game that was. Wildstar, they are hemorrhaging players now fyi.
I again point to the game industry changing its audience to the median (center and left of the normal distribution) rather than to the top 2% of the game. It seems this might be an NCSoft directive to all their devs. If they can sell their game to the 70% of the market around the median, and only lose the top 2% of the market, in business sense, that’s a fair trade off. The nice thing about this move is that the devs get blamed, the games close, and NCSoft walks with a huge pile of money!
why would the game close with a big pile of money to be made again?
I think Vayne means that the rewards for leveling up are an improvement and he’s right about that. But it doesn’t remove the fact that the early game is a nightmare for veterans and newcomers alike.
Just rolled a assuri mesmer and took it to lvl 10 in an hour, broken up to do other things in game. No nightmare, smooth as it was when I did a mesmer over a year ago (personal bias, I really enjoyed mesmer from lvl 2 to 80 in game). Get nice shinny level up and a dodge chest now but otherwise the nightmare is in the heads of the people who have not tried the new system.
You say you want to DO but then don’t play the game but allow others to make up your mind. Not a lot of DO involved.
straight up false lies. I was salvaging at level 2 and gathering at level 2
Wrong. Salvage-o-matic has a req of lvl 15. Check before you speak.
poster did not mention in any way salvage-o-matic, just said can’t salvage so the facts don’t need to be checked.
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Having the WvW tournament and a new story realease at the same time would be too confusing.
I would laugh if I didn’t think this might actually be the reason…
You must have missed the first WvW event, they did release content part way through and the forums where filled with rage.
take it to support and add your whine to the countless other similar threads. Have fun.
The gates are locked until you have finished a quest chain. Lvl 65-70 under old system. Otherwise just run due south from lions arch picking up wp’s along the way.
“None shall pass” worked back in the day.
I hear you can film Barbie and Ken dolls naked together as well. Such excitement.
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