Guild Wars 2

The trait are empty,nothing is saved.Also i don’t think you need Devourer Venom,providing you have IS+PW!You can always replace it with Shadow Refuge.It’s always good for both PvP and PvE.

So you don’t cure conditions,but outheal them?With lousy Withdraw every 15 seconds?
I am sorry,but you are dead meat!

Care to share you build,so we can cut to the chase?
My guess is 25/30/0/0/15.What i am trying to say is that nobody,i mean nobody comes here just to share his opinion.So tell us your secret.What is bothering you?You have 0 points in Shadow Arts?You can’t benefit from C&D as much as your enemies?What is it?

Ah so you are a thief. Pistol offhand maybe?….Well i have a news for you:C&D isn’t going anywhere so better learn to deal with it!

Looks like certain warrior had problems with some P/D bleed thief….

Obvious troll is obvious! 1/10

Nothing is coming.We were nerfed enough.As far as me not being good thief,maybe you are right.Maybe i am not.Then again maybe i am.But unlike you i posted the name of my thief in my signature(Veni Vidi Ganki),i am who i am,i play Battlegrounds every night.I play a lot,i kill a lot i die a lot.Simple!

The more you respond,the more i am certain that you are what i suspected several posts ago:sucky thief,who is ragin in order to justify before himself his inability to play.
1.Culling is not an Thief issue.If Thief benefits from it more than other(which is not good),that means that culling must be fixed,not Stealth nerfed.
2.Culling will be fixed.2-3 months ago ANet stated ,that they are working on it,but it will take some time,because it’s a core defense mechanism.(they explained it server is limiting the maximum amount of objects visible at any given moment in order to reduce the server overload thingy,or something).
3.About the army of people,they will always whine no matter what.If it’s not the BS build,it will be you precious S/P build.Or mesmer.Or whatever.
You know what?
If i could go several months ago when the game was released i would go D/D Elementalist.With the efforts i did spend to master thief,with the Ele i would be an unstopable mashine by now(don’t know if you encountered really good D/D Ele but those are OH MY GOD) and noone will point at me to say im OP.

Nemo.6295:

What do you want me to say? That when I played D&D build (that was several months ago), glass cannon spec I could literally 2-shot people and still get away? When I tried PD I forgot how the dying animation looked?

When you traited 30 pts into Toughnes/Healing and 20 into Vitality is it so abnormal that you die less often?

Fair enough, you don’t want your playstiles nerfed, but they will be, wake up and look around. People are complaining more and more about it, the culling issue is making it MUCH worse, eventually the nerf will come and I expect it will come with the next major patch.

How about you wake up.Concerning P/D:C&D(already nerfed),Dancing Dagger(already nerfed),Shadow and Body Shot(nothing to see here),Vital Shot(i wouldn’t be surpriSed if they actually buff it).
Concerning D/D:Death Blossom(already nerfed long time ago),BS and HS have nothing to do with condition builds.So you better face it P/D stays where it is,and if you can’t deal with it now,too bad.Peace

Karolis.4261:

Emm, Yes you do need a permit from the forum Thief committee to post on the foruns. Now, get him boys.

He doesn’t need permit to post off course,BUT….when you come here to say: “This is OP and that is OP and need nerf”, a reason like “I just know that” simply isn’t enough.Now if you explain your build and gamestyle,also the quality of your gear(must for a WvW),maybe,just maybe we can scramble a normal discussion.

I think is fair to say something about myself too,instead of only commenting you.
I play D/D+P/D thief for as long as i remember.I leveled 49 PvP ranks with it(and if you play Structured PvP and you are aware with the ranks difficulty curve you would know,that it’s not and easy think).At the beginning it was easy peacy thing.People was not expecting it(they expected burst) and didn’t know what to do.It was actually hilarious.
I would a approach a warrior and he would pop Shield Stance waiting for my BS burst…And then,suddenly something else happening,exactly as you are describing it:
A thief vanishing and disappearing at will,bleeds everywhere.Sometimes i pitied them,standing in the caltrops desperately trying to 1 attack find me.
That was then.
Now it’s becoming more and more difficult every day(and i don’t mind,i myself handle other enemies far better that before). Big red circle on the ground?You just walk away from it?A pistol thief suddenly dodges towards you to C&D?Fast dodge back or Black Powder——>Thief is * up.Two misses and he will either try to run away(not an easy thing from a guy with Inf Strike) or Shadow Refuge(you Cluster Bomb it) e.t.c.

Off course you have to prove yourself in order to people see weight in your claim.
I just know simply isn’t enough.OK,so you are S/P,suddenly it all figures.You don’t need Stealth,so nerf it,you don’t use dagger offhand so kitten it,nerf it more and revert PW damage,revert Sword daze,maybe reduce Haste CD.DO i miss something?
Edit:And don’t get me wrong,i also think PW damage nerf was stupid.

Nemo.6295:

Yes… please stop with the DID YOU KNOW stuff. I’m a thief player and I used daggers quite a bit when they wrecked S/P and I am aware of what it can do and it’s in NO kittenING WAY difficult to land a C&D no more than it is to land a Backstab.

How about you clarify what build do you play,because it seems to me that you bash every viable thief gameplay.You repeat again and again “i am a thief too,i know this and i know that”,but imo you are either sucky thief or not at all!

With what do you remove burning,bleeds and poison?

Nemo.6295:

Yeah, as a thief I can come clean that the overuse of stealth is a kittening kitten to say the least. I guess many thieves are aware of it.

No one should fight something that is invisible 80% of the time (D/P thieves).

But if you nerf that thieves are boned since they have little survivability, way too little mobility to justify a major stealth nerf and if certain other stealth abilites get hit as well, less utitlity.

Now what you could do is == this may come as a shock to all thief haters== buff the other combat types (SP, SD) and thus guive thieves something to fall back on when you inevitably nerf stealth.

OK,so let me get this straight…You don’t use much(at all) Stealth,so you wish/hope that it will be nerfed so they give you something that you will use more?

What else can i say?If you like it,then so be it.Good Luck!

Mystogan.4157:

He threw a net and did some other stuff

You deserve to burn in Hell for eternity….

@Daendur Steal will still give you Stealth(with all related passive benefits). Just before Steal,you C&D.

Last Refuge+Dagger Storm=100% dead Thief

Cempa.5619:

Get the Thief out of her comfort zone of popping in and out of stealth while healing 3,000 HP each time they stealth!!!

3,000 HP is quite over exadurated.
It is ~320HP per second from Shadows Rejuvenation.
Providing you need to Sneak Attack lets round it up to 3×320=1000HP per Stealth.
Also from Shadow Protector you get 5×120=600HP per Stealth(IF you trait it.There is a nasty bug,that when you C&D and you still have the old regen running,thew new doesn’t apply.So you will have to wait 1 sec more even after reveled go away to benefit properly).
So we can safely round it up to ~1500-1600 HP at best

Is it really so hard to figure it out?
>Shadow Protector
>Shadows Embrace
>Infusion of Shadow
>Cloaked in Shadow
>Shadows Rejuvenation
>Master of Deception(for those who run Shadowstep/Blinding Powder

Any of those is miles ahead of the s**ty Hidden Thief.

like what?

I rest my case!

…the more heavy stealth builds like yours that need 6 ini for C&D,the more points for me…

Why wasting such precious trait slot for a Hidden Thief?Just do C&D+Steal combo and trait something more useful.

Login.5102:

This trait is fine, its probally one of the better minor traits we have. Move along.

Care to share your build?I maybe missing something…

Depends.If you have your Thieves Guild CD,Venom will be better for 1v1.If you don’t have it,Condition will be better cuz you have Stealth Regeneration,more initiative,higher damage per tick,probably Caltrops trick on 24 sec CD and overal Condition is much more versatile and less dependant on certain CD.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

He was joking that it might be easier to get it removed by complaining that it was OP than by complaining it’s worse than nothing.

Hehe,some people
Anyways i suggested long ago Last Refuge(which is essentially Blinding Powder on proc)to be replaced with Black Powder(Pistol #5).It will be both useful and harmless in terms of “proc in a middle of action” aspect.

Also Hidden Killer trait(Crit Strikes XII) gives such icon.Maybe its an icon for such “temporarily boons” that doesn’t have it’s own icon.

It’s a graphical bug.Sometimes it happens with every normal boon to look like this.Can be might,swiftness,anything…

@Troponin,copy the link and paste it manually .As far as the build ,try to change Thieves Guild with Dagger Storm.It does applies bleeds,have shorter CD and can save you against ranged.

…But if we disguise ourselves as other classes and start to QQ that Last Refuge is too OP and it needs nerf,otherwise ppl will stop playing and GW2 will never make it to
e-sport,they just might remove it :P

Good S/D is a counter,also good D/D burst thief give me trouble.

Body Shot (MH Pistol)
Thief leaps backwards while firing. Constitutes a leap finisher.

This will give P/P constant source of Stealth.I don’t think ANet wants that.
I agree thou that Body Shot is useless atm.I would consider either make it to give might,or to poison target.

RedSpectrum.1975:

I was wondering if anyone had any advice for killing a typical ranger (shortbow). I have a build that uses stealth and backstabs(though not a GC) and classes like warriors or guardians arent a problem since they generally stay in the same area. Rangers though are always keeping their distance from me (cant blame them) which makes it difficult for me to get in a CD and even more for a BS. Initiating the fight is one thing, thats easy to do, its finishing it. It doesnt help how sometimes they see me when im in stealth even when the debuff is gone and they are shooting me as they are keeping their distance. Oh and their pets…kitten warthogs. Should I switch to ranged gear at that point?

You didn’t post your build,neither you specified your offhand weapon.That would help.Other than that here is several simple advices:
1.Their channeling abilities track you trough stealth.You might wanna dodge it away,no matter that you are in Stealth.
2.Try P/D on the offhand.You will C&D on the pet(while still having the ranger on target) and Sneak attack on the ranger.
3.Alternatively if you don’t wanna change weapon sets keep them always crippled(if you can afford ini for Dancing Dagger.

Again and again,culling is not a thief problem,the higher cap of crit damage in WvW is not a thief problem.If Thief benefits more than other classes i suggest you start to ask for the right fixes.

urdriel.8496:

Basilisk+mug+CnD+backstab+HS

simple combo to kill a player, 1,5 sec.

you can use Shadow refugee,blind powder, etc… to scape.

A thief is OP because , altought is a Glass Cannon he can leave the combat always.

Another thread that has nothing to do with Backstab,turned to whine fiesta by some low-geared-WvW-wannabe…

Leuca.5732:

Does it make you die? No, but it certainly makes retaliating against a C&D thief annoying as hell. Mechanics like this need to be fixed.

Since when it’s forbidden to be annoying?Last i checked GW2 was a roleplaying game,so if the guy chooses the role to can’t kill anyone,but to annoy them,then so be it.I am annoyed by some demigod bunker builds that take 300 spartans to be killed,but i don’t whine,do i?

All of your suggestions scream:“I am S/D thief.Let them revert what concern me ,and ANet can nerf whatever they want from the others weapon sets.They can go to hell as far as i am concerned”

Tulisin.6945:

ZLE.8293:

.If leap attacks doesn’t qualify as target requiring i don’t know what does.

For thieves? Infiltrator’s Strike is a good example. It cannot be manually aimed, it requires a target if you want it to hit something. Same with Steal and Infiltrator’s Signet.

Those are NOT leaps ,but Shadowsteps.You can leap-travel with HS,because it’s a Leap(Leap:fast jumping you know).You cannot travel faster forward with Inf Signet,because it’s not a Leap,OK?

@JulianElda,3x runes of Krait are OK,but why you use 3x Centaur runes,instead of 3x Afflicted?

I think you are mistaking a Skill that doesn’t require target with Skill that benefit from “Auto Promote Target” option.The problem is that they benefit regardless of the target being Stealthed.
Edit:Let me put it this way:I am OK that Stealth should not prevent Damage.If a guy starts to swinging greatsword at the place that i disappeared,that’s OK.But changing to axe and hitting me with Eviscerate more than 2 seconds after i disappeared (and not at the same place) is stupid.At least 1 Heartseeker(2-3 if with Haste) hit you as well right after you go in Stealth.If leap attacks doesn’t qualify as target requiring i don’t know what does.

Tulisin.6945:

Hopes.4512:

The fact that I can be hit with abilities that “REQUIRE” a target while I’m stealthed… is disheartening.

This is not true, target-required attacks will not hit without a target selected, so they can never hit a stealthed target.

IT IS true. I have been hit by Eviscerate and Backstab thousand times.you can make the following test with some friend: Let him Shadow Refuge and stays at the center of the SR field.You go in Stealth and start spamming 1 at the place he must be.Or use Eviscerate towards that place if you are with warrior.You will see…

Yes,HiS and SP stack.However….
…..the regeneration from Shadow Protector doesn’t stack with itself. Nuff said!!!

Iohanna.4863:

C&D is not as reliable as Black Powder + Heartseeker.

OK but C&D is like 4 ini(presuming you don’t miss) compared to 7 for BP+HS.Aren’t you having recourse problems?

Cheers.Did you try trait V instead of VI in Shadow Arts tree.It saves way more ini than Quick Recovery.Also what you consider main weapon?I presume you open with S/D?Do you change to D/D right after that?

stof.9341:

Except for some specific situations, Shadow Refuge is a crutch you use to pull out bad team mates out of their mistakes. It would be netter to play without it if your group doesn’t need it.

Well,i can’t imagine any group doesn’t need it…just the possibility to save a live every 60 sec is enough.Not to mention if Precasted it gives you 10 seconds to open a fight first.My opinion is that you must have Shadow Refuge and you must have Stunbreaker(of your choice).And for the third slot,whether Ambush is the top candidate or not is a matter of choice.

Stiv.1820:

I played P/D since I hit 80 but recently switched to S/D + D/D. I feel like I hard counter P/D. There is nothing they can do. You do need remove conditions on stealth and a way to stealth often though. Dodging C&D is key as well if you don’t want it to drag on.

I agree.I experienced this the hard way.The P/D killer is Inf Strike.Even if they are slowed you just can’t escape,and because of it they lead the fight.S/D guy chooses when to C&D and vanish only to Daze you right after that.It’s a nightmare against good Thief.@Stiv just out of curiosity would you mind post your build please?

Tulisin.6945:

kal.4350:

May I ask why I never see this skill used in any build?

Because it is probably the best trap in most situations, but it is still a trap, and traps are very poorly implemented for thieves.

Also consider that:You have 3 UI slots! Shadow Refuge is absolutely mandatory.Whoever claims opposite is re**rd.OK,that leaves you with 2 slots,and between Shadowstep,Assassin’s Signet,SoS,Inf Signet,Blinding Powder and Roll for Initiative there is just no place left for Ambush.

NightyNight.1823:

Should Thief suffer some more because some beginers don’t know how to fight yet?And a lot of them confessed right here on this thread that thief is not actualy hard to beat.Even some of you who were here complaining about thief.Do you never ask yourself , what do they know and I don’t? Why just direcly jump to the conclusion that Thief is Overpowered?Whats whit this mentality, when you can’t beat someone you don’t even understand, you complain.Its the mentality of a failure.Or do you realy consider yourself a pro?

I’ve previously challenged every one in here who thought burst thieves are overpowered , the proffesion whit the instant kill win button or some idiotic BS like that.My challenge still stands.Roll a thief and try it against me.We’ll see how overpowered thief actualy is.And I’m realy not that good at PvP , I’m more of a PvE guy atm but I’ve never had any problems against thieves.So bring it on.

Dude,don’t waste your efforts to prove anything…You can stand up to the challenge and they will still whining,because they need thief for excuse of their inability to play.
I play a condition P/D thief.And yet at least several times a day i receive the same negative comment:
“Spam more 3333 ,noob.”What’s the point to start to argue the guy how clueless he is?
He lost anyway,it must be OP build of a OP class,what else?The last guy ho said that Condition Thief is a noob lame build was Bull Rush Glass Cannon 100b Warrior(top of the brain requiring master builds)…I could ofc explain to him,that “Shake it Off” is not only what you do after you pee,but like i said,whats the point?

No no.He Vanishes,and after that a clone appears and the mesmer himself appears.The trick is that the clone always appear first.So beware and they are easy
Edit:Also when you fight alive mesmers,i think their clones don’t have offhand….

P/P can never have source of Stealth in it’s weapon set,because it is completely ranged.You can’t have it all.I mean it’s like D/D to ask Death Blossom to be substitute with Unload….
It has Headshot and Black Powder to compensate.