Guild Wars 2

@Fijea,when you figure it out,how to deal with Moa Morph,apart from running like hell,let me know with /pm.

Daendur.2357:

Hi, I think that “instinctual response” ( II of trickery ) is a great defensive anti glass cannon trait.
It can be your life saver even against an unseen c/d-steal-bs

It can be.The problem is that it kinda favors the same type glassy thieves.A guy like me
with 20k hp(19245 to be exact) will almost never get C&D over 4k,so will anyways “eat” the signet+BS.That will leave me with less hp,than a glass cannon thief who have generally 6k hp less than me

I can’t find you a “post ,where mesmer can down people in 2-3 seconds”,but then again
i am not claiming such thing,am i?Now… i am a thief and i know how thief works.Very well.Let me say some things:
1.I don’t go to WvW no more.AT all.My PC handles the WvW in a way,resulting in everyone being in perma-stealth.Also lot’s of people in WvW are poorly dressed and are generally low lvl and have little traits or none at all.Plus culling=here is pretty much the environment,from where you draw your conclusions.(i am not saying you are low level and/or undergeared,“just saying”.
2.The part,where he down’s a people in 2-3 seconds i believe.I play Spvp/Tpvp a lot.There the armors are balanced.I have been downed in 2-3 seconds a lot.Sometimes too often,when the guy is focused on me and is saving all CD’s for me.That’s when i know i am impressed somebody :P.That being said the truth is that a guy,capable of such damage(i assume he is glass cannon BS D/D) will always have :
14k hp ,
zero defense from conditions,
zero hp regeneration,
no endurance regeneration,
no stealth duration bonuses,
no initiative regeneration…
So the part,when you multiple people aoe-d him,and couldn’t get him,jeeeez,you must have been the worst bunch of players ever.No offense,but i play heavy stealth,and a guy who is knowing his character can put me out of stealth in no time,by knocking me out of Shadow Refuge,or beating the s**t of me while in stealth with common logic and good aoe placement.And i have 20k hp.So you telling me,that you couldn’t
get this guy means several things:either he is hacker(that i don’t believe),or he is extremely good(that i don’t know),or you are terrible(that i hope you are not),or he is good,and you are terrible,and he is indeed abusing culling(which is not stealth nor thief problem).Thank you.I have stayed w/o lunch in my break,just to try to post a reasonable respond.

Dear @Shomaruki and Dear @Masternewbz…
You are BOTH mesmers.Don’t you ever again point a fingers to other class.EVER
Thank you.I go to work now.

The time of the Perma-Stealth has come? Already?
I would suggest if you are smart to whine first for Backstab and then for Stealth.
This way you will get both nerfed….

Atrixer.9275:

stupidly strong elites, do make Thieves very OP.

Stopped reading right there…

With my gamestyle i would trade every thief elites(every 3 of them,2 of which doesn’t work underwater) for a Moa Morph(10 sec no skills,no heal,no damage,just run? yes please) or Signet Of Rage(30sec might and crit and swiftness every 1 min? yes please).
I will not even comment the"incredible traits" we have,because this will lead me to abother 3 day ban from forums due to “offensive language”

I also notice engineers wave for about several days.Maybe someone posted good guide or something,i don’t know.Anyways,i hope they don’t get too many,because with my condition/stealth thief i have real problems with those thousands of mines and bombs…

I cancel it by dodging when not rooted.Try it might work while rooted too.

OR alternatively,because of all the OP whining ,everybody decides to roll one to be OP as well.The SPvP is full of terrible thief wannabies.After 1 hour of embarrassing they go back to their mains .

I solemnly declare ,that if they remove the cast time of C&D i will never.never,ever again precast it to Steal.

Backstab and Cluster Bomb.They will increase then the base damage of some useless skill like Body Shot.

Poor guardians.This is by far the most underpowered class in the game.

Turbo Whale.1738:

LOL if you don’t think BS is overpowered then why are you begging for it to not be nerfed? Because of some absolutely minor nerfs that are completely justifiable?

That’s the thought of the day!!!
It’s like in court judge asks you :“If you think you are innocent ,than why are you opposing some minor jail verdict?”

Peace.Stick to Shadow Trap,i will stick to the only thief’s Dark Combo Field.

Dagins@,condition builds don’t run well with sword.

castille@,the only problem with Shadow Trap is that you have 3 UI slots.
If 1 is Shadow Trap,2 is Caltrops ,3 would be either Stun Breaker OR Shadow Refuge.Imo both Shadow Refuge or the Stun breaker(Roll for Ini,or Shadowstep) are far more important and useful that Shadow Trap.

Rozbuska.5263:

Few ideas for balance:
- if stealth will be used in combat it disable weapon skills while invisible – stealth in fight must be only escape mechanic!
same way mesmers illusions and necros minions must remain unattacking.They must be only escape mechanic.

- before hit from stealth must thief appear 0.5-1s (or add some “incoming” sound)
How about wear red 6-star on the sleeve or prison number?

- Show hit dmg if thief get aoe dmg in stealth for better identification of his position.
This is where you got me confused.Is stealth “escape mechanic” or "almost escape mechanic*

I mainly play engineer for most of the time. Now I trying thief just for fun and.. This class is so OP then its not even fun.

Another pointless whiner.You know i also agree that it isn’t fun anymore.Rozbuzka,do you realize that all present state of the game is because ANet made it that way.
There will be off course things out of line,and they will be fixed,toned down,buffed and so on.But this ranting is too much.Start playing the game already and stop whining.

Asum.4960:

We don’t fight to not get nerfed, we don’t try to justify the current state and we don’t secretly think that the class we like is OP, all we do here is trying to help people to fight a balanced class, by tellem them how the mechanics actually work, and how to counter them.
Nobody likes overnerfs, and thats what it would be to nerf a balanced class.

When this guys say YOU THIEVES,they don’t realize that me(as a thief) have to fight the same amount of thieves as themselves.Minus 1.
We(thieves) don’t just nod each other and go our ways when we meet on the battlefield.We DESTROY ourselves with so much relentless.Oh boy!There will always be this ego thing to show the other who’s the real deal:
“So you wanna be a thief huh?Ha!Think again boy”
So we are not just blindly defend every aspect of our class ,believe me
When i say,that BS shouldn’t be nerfed is because i mean it.I don’t use it at all,i am condition thief.And one of my biggest enemies are the good glass cannons,and when i defend them is because i think it’s right.

Apparently you don’t spam it in your own feet as a melee skill…

“The others will never be satisfied”,that’s for sure…
The 100% critical part will remain 70% critical( plus trait for 20% dmg under 50%) due to gear+traits and the problem will remain(the discussion here is if there is a problem to begin to).

Wolfe.3097:

its a rendering issue coupled with lag

This^.
I hope this share the same origin like The annoying bug that you take damage from leap skills(HS,Eviscerate) a second or more after you go to Stealth.This way both will be fixed.

Heartseekeer needed a nerf.Cluster Bomb needs a small nerf.Pistol Whip didn’t need a nerf(Haste deserved it).Backstab don’t need nerf(Assassin Signet maybe deserve it).A lotof other thief skills need a buff/redesign.

TeoH this sounds like an exploit or something?I mean you are supposed to take damage…I mean blocking,reflecting,redirecting,soaking trough high base HP and/or Toughness is normal,but (god forbid) avoiding trough Stealth? Cheezz

greyblue.4962:

…and this can be countered by using an AoE stun…

Appart from that it’s the easiest thing to counter.Just dodge like 2-3 sec after you get hit.Voila

Blazer Hellsing.9184@ it’s not a matter of what you mind,or what i mind for that matter.
I don’t use BS too.What matters is ,if BS needs to be nerfed.Heartseeker needed and i was one of the most active in this forum about nerfing HS.Does BS needs nerf?Or it’s not the skill itself,but its Assassin’s signet.Luckily this is up to ANet to decide.But we are seeing an avalanche of whining,from somehow sensible to completely kitten That’s whats troubling me.The complete total rant for total nerf.From weapon sets, weapon skill,UI skills,traits to basic mechanics like initiative system and Stealth.

Turtles All The Way Down.5608:

Quickness is easily the most broken mechanic in the game, and rather than nerfing every other skill that has good synergy with it they should probably nerf (remove, in my opinion) quickness.

If they really have trouble with good implementation for IAS boosts they can look around at other games that do them well… like the game Guild Wars for example!

This i agree.Lot’s of good warriors(for example) use 100 blades very smart,and between Shield Bash,Bolas ,Bulls Charge,Kick and even Rush they manage to pull a great gameplay that doesn’t rely/need Frenzy.It will be unfair 100 blades to be nerfed
because of Frenzy.Same goes for Pistol Whip.It already got nerfed w/o guilt,regardless that the real problem was Haste.

Turtles@ obviously i did.Since i remember the guy’s voice.I also remember that his “episodes” continued long after “Burning Crusade” came and the rogue was nerfed to the ground by that time.Anyway i don’t think this whole tread is suitable/helpful in Guild Wars 2 forum so i will stop replying in order to discontinue long forgotten arguements.

The OP actually deleted his post.Basically he stated that he is disabled and plays with one hand and 1/2 shots with thief everybody but guardians.So he needed more damage to kill guardians quicker.I will leave my original respond unedited,but this can also be a respect topic to an american guy,who posses such a spirit.

This is what is stopping me for calling you a troll.It’s the guy Aieron,who plays with
pen in his mouth for the keyboard and moves the mouse with his ear .

Pistol/Dagger condition is OP?
That’s new one.So i guess i(running D/D and P/D condition) am OP as well.
After 1150 games with similar build i can tell you at least 50 tricks&tips how to counter
P/D condition thief to the point of making him laughable.But i won’t off course.
Play the game,learn from your own mistakes.

I didn’t mean to connect the two posts if that’s what you mean.

It’s a video from the same guy,that made World of Roguecraft.
He is warlock and well known rogue hater
To clarify i was not a rogue.I was always(still am) feral since vanilla ,and boy it was masochism for years.

booyah.3825:

If Thief is so well balanced, implied by your “great” post, why do you even care if they get nerfed again

bladie.5084:

EXACTLY. (was waiting for someone to point it out) So why would it hurt to nerf that part? .

Now this is exactly the attitude that bothers me.You guys want nerfing for the sake of nerfing itself.Just a little bit here,little bit there.Just for the sport ,it will not hurt at all.

booyah.3825:

If Thief is so well balanced, implied by your “great” post, why do you even care if they get nerfed again? Don’t you play this profession because it’s fun?
Oh no? It’s because it IS incredibly powerful and easy to play?
Let me know what class you roll after a few more nerfs, kiddo.

OK,about the “fun,op and balanced” part somebody already answered you.
About the personal part i will respond:
First,thanks about the kiddo.I am pushing 38,so this made me feel quite younger.
Second,i will disappoint you ,but i am not going anywhere.Unlike you,my signature is quite clear.You can see my name,my guild,you can add me to your friend list,track me in sPVP and teach me a lesson about pro gaming.I don’t intend to roll another character until i reach rank 80 SPvP.So far i am rank 32 and things are getting quite ugly.(195 000 points for 30-40 bracket,40-50 is at least 500 000 and so forth).I am not seeing myself becoming rank 80 up until a year maybe.
Third,about my build.I am playing condition/stealth build with zero burst/crit.
I don’t use any of those skills/builds that are on the chopping wood(at least the haters suggest this) .Sadly for you this build was already nerfed long ago in the beta’s.ANet increased the initiative cost of both key skills C&D and DB months ago.

LOCO@,the guy doesn’t mean that ,when he says “fixed/adjusted”.
He means the rendering problem,which is not by any chance related to stealth.
It’s a client problem.So no fix for channeling skills if you ask him.

imba.3620:

The fact that people make topics like this is a clear indication that the thief will be nerfed again.

OK let’s say it will be nerfed again.
What will be next?
Shortbow?
Stealth?
Death Blossom(again)?
Heartseeker(again)?
Pistol Whip(again)?
Will it ever bee enough?I think no.The bad thieves,looking for FOTM may eventually go to other class,but you will never stop whining,because the good ones will remain and they will play well and kill people,but they will be again OP and spammers and abusers and cheaters.

Sylosi.6503:

No wonder this game has dropped from top 3 on Twitch to 32 as I speak, esport don’t make me laugh.

That’s because people who are interested about Guild Wars 2 are busy playing the s**t out of it and don’t have time watching streams.How about mmorpg.com?GW2 is number one for years.

Sebyos@,can i just quote you from other topic?:

“Just run away it’s a kitten class atm. Even if you beat them to 5% hp they use SB, stealth+Signet of 25% speed and run away, heal back and come back at you full of hp and initiative rdy to crit you for crazy amounts again. You don’t win against a good thief”.

If they are so fast,how can you run away?
They will heal,you will not?
You don’t win against any good player,if you are not good.

So please ,spear us your hatred against thieves,unless you have something constructive to say.

Edit:I am getting angry because of such stupid topics,and i will get suspended again for abusive language.
Let’s be more rational…
So….according to your words,from 3 Utility Skills,2 will be Smoke Bomb and Signet Of Shadows.
What will be the Third?
Shadowstep? This will leave them w/o Assassin’s Signet,and they will not have “crazy damage”.
Assassins Signet They will not have Stun breaker.
What will be ?
Where is the survivability+crazy damage at the same time?Where are the condition removals?We don’t have passive removals every 10 seconds(i think you are main guardian according to your posts),and with low health dot’s are big problem(they don’t care about toughness i’m sure you are aware).So at the end what is left?
Damage and nothing else.

Go Guardian if you wanna survival+damage+passives w/o signets (and more passives with signets).You won’t be troubling if your class will be nerfed to the ground as well.

Jnaathra@ ,you might have 220 toughness,but you still have 14k hp.Aren’t you running the same burst BS build,or PW?

Two days ago i was temporarily banned from this forum for “acumulataing points because of obsessive language”.
For words like “stupid post” and “dumbest” e.t.c…
I guess accusing somebody of being stupid is bad thing.
How about accusing someone being cheater ,every day,whole day.
I get /w like this all the time:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/gw1q.png/

I run heavy stealth/heavy condition build to be specific.

Edit. I don’t know if false accusing of cheating is bannable actually.I hope i don’t get banned again for accumulating points.
What pisses me off is just we(thieves) just can’t win can we.We are either OP,or abusers,or cheaters,but NEVER good players.

Wolfe.3097:

im been as unbiased as possible.

stealth is bugged and needs fixing, it gives a unfair advantage to the thief

ummmm,care to explain?

The only way i can remember using it is to add additional condition(vulnerability) to the bleeds to reduce the chance of skills that remove random condition to remove the bleeds exactly.

Ezekial@ your post is the d u m b e s t thing i saw in about month.Dieing instantly from Dots?Do you even know how condition removal works?It removes ALL stacks. The worst thing good condition thief can do is waste his resources on a big initial stacking ,which will be removed and what next?I am condition thief and my fights 1v1 are lasting average between 20 sec and 2 min.My bigest number of damage from direct damage is like 1200.It takes about 150 ticks to kill player with normal 15-20kHP and if 150-200 ticks are not enough time to you to remove them,or kill the enemy,then sorry m8….

For SPvP i would recommend these changes:
1.Lose Critical Haste for VI
2.Lose Hidden Thief for either III,IV,or VI.Start combat with precast C&D+Steal instead
3.You have NO Stunbreaker

I completely agree too.And to add something as proposition :Swap the Dual Skills of P/D and D/P for a start.

Niim.9260:

I personally think haste is more of an issue then PW was. I think quickness in all classes is OP, more so in a class with initiative. The speed increase greatly reduces your ability to counter those moves, specially with a stun/interrupt from the ability or provided by another ability before hand.

They either need to slow it down, or imo just add a 15% damage reduction to anyone under the effect of quickness. I prefer this over them individually nerfing each thief ability to the point that we all have to use haste to keep competitive.

Well said.Even more like 25% reduction while in haste/frenzy.If any thief(or warrior in that matter) manages to develop skills to use PW(or 100b in that matter) in a regular gameplay,not just once per minute,he doesn’t deserve to be punished for other skills imbalance.

Dagins.5163:

Stealth isn’t designed to protect from this kind of abilities. It would be absurdly OP.

Now how can you possibly know how is Stealth designed?Are you an ANet employee?The fact that it works this atm can mean two things: either it is designed that way or it isn’t and it’s bugged.Also ANet change lot of things that werent bugged,but was later considered “not where they were want them to be”.
So at the end it’s a matter of players opinion and i would like to see your opinion about how exactly will be “absurdly OP” .Cheers.

I have red other posts like that.I am little concerned by anything,which is not related to SPvP and i am not familiar with top PvE/WvW gear. Is it the problem of gear stats,like the exotic gear give way more damage then toughness maybe.Because in SPvP the “one hit wonder” builds are far less dangerous?

Korochun.5862:

Yeah, everything tracks stealth. I start Unload, the poor thief pops Stealth, unload kills him anyway.

It is mandatory when you pop stealth to dodge after it.This way you waste 2 resources(initiative and endurance).I don’t know if the game mechanic is that way and it just cannot be fixed,but at least they can make dodge cost half endurance while in stealth.