Guild Wars 2

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for you all to post something with substance.

Or you can keep denying that a 92.8% win rate over another team doesn’t mean you are better.

I guess if 2 teams won 50% of the time against each other it doesn’t mean they are equal.

I’m not sure what your trying to get at, I can say Blackgate is better at playing PPT, hence the wins but are we really better than a team that doesn’t focus on PPT? Are you saying Blackgate is better at fighting? Thats impossible to answer as there are great guilds and players on both servers.

The win rate is irrelevant because the score broad is not forced. Unlike professional sports (where a team would be measured by its win rate) SoR does not need to have a high win rate to be successful on the field.

Also why are you spending so much energy chest thumping for Blackgate while we are trying to be as humble as possible?

Bash.7291:

Zikory.6871:

:( Is he not talking to me any more? I guess back to talking to inadament objects for me…

Sorry, I kinda led him away, you can have him back though, I had my 2 minutes of fun.

It’s ok, He’s probably just tying to use up the 3 posts I made for him.

:( Is he not talking to me any more? I guess back to talking to inadament objects for me…

Bash.7291:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Zik don’t bother with him, he seriously will not listen to anything outside of his one single argument which doesn’t even take every factor into effect.

Its cool, my favoret pass times are long walks on the beach, crochet, and talking to walls. So far I find walls tend to have more creative retorts.

KeeZee.7312:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Funny how the only counter BG can come up with is the only part of their match history that is relevant is that time where SoR beat them once. Lets ignore everything else.

I find it funny that you bring up SoR only fights for ppt and you believe this when there is many posts of BG telling them its an excuse.

“SoR only fights for ppt” That’s not what I said, I’ll assume its a typo instead of insulting your reading skills. Your right about it being a excuse but in SoRs defense, they seemed to do a lot better when they had that mind set, The recent push for playing PPT seemed to do more harm then doing what they are good at. I sure you probably see a lot of whats posted here as straight laced fact but you need to understand that its about perspective. Blackgate plays PPT (for the most part) so anything discrediting that would be seen as a excuse (see “playing for fights”). On the other side, Blackgate running from a fight to maintain PPT would be considered a excuse.

As for match history, how many weeks was this 13 of 14 matches over? Assuming a minimum of 3.5 months? (I know I can math good) Do you know how many guilds have moved around since then? How many times the meta has changed? Are you looking at anything other than “lawl bro scores” You say only as if we only have 1 counter yet all you’re doing is repeating 13 of 14…

Here I’ll help you out so you don’t have to waste time posting….

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

Got your next 3 covered

Andrew Clear.1750:

Who cares who wins T1.

I do.

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

kitten.5741:

Hobbitz.5831:

eithinan.9841:

What do you claim is buying guilds? Is it paying for their transfers, either in part or wholly? Is that buying guilds?

Is buying guilds paying gold in excess of transfer to fees? or would it be buying guilds if you paid them 2 transfer fees for their entrance and exit from a server. and gold on top of that?

define buying guilds please.

I’ll do you one better, I’ll describe the situation.

SoR dominated BG through the first 3 days of its match up last week. Sunday night going into Monday morning Blackgate paid a Russian guild an extremely large sum of gold to transfer to their server just for the league. The guild has already stated that they have no intentions of staying on BG and are only be paid to help them win league. As SoR has no players in their particular time slot (9aPST/12pEST) the guild continues to flip all borderlands uncontested.

Now SoR players are quitting the game left and right. The league was viewed as the savior of WvW for a large section of the base but now that one server has gone to the extreme to literally ‘pay-to-win’ a lot of the player base has lost faith in leagues and ArenaNet.

I’m not from SoR or BG. I honestly thought SoR would have killed BG based on past bouts between the two when JQ was not there and based on ratings. Politics between the 3 servers skew the actual rating of the server, which is why JQ found itself in t2 3 months ago due to all the tag team occurring. I’m not making excuses. JQ plays it too. But I think buying guilds is on a whole new level. If Merc was truely bought, I would like to personally say sorry about that to BG. I hate traitors. But if they moved for the glory, well, it’s a little different. There’s something about money that makes it so wrong. That’s why I totally DESPISE it when people on JQ team chat incite guilds to move to BG. Any respect I had for BG is now gone. From now on, I hope SoR has learned its lesson by never taking sides with BG because BG plays dirty. As far as I’m concerned, BUYGATE CAN FLUFF MY GARFIELD! I’m out. SoR, you know what to do on during week 7. High Five.

What Hobbitz is saying is complete propaganda, he has no proof other than what others have been saying on these forums for the past week. I would point you to the SoR/BG match thread if you feel that you can sift through the trolling and you’ll see that most of this argument has been resolved. (regarding buying)

As for MERC, who knows if they were “bought” or not, it doesn’t matter, Tarkus and others had there reasons for leaving BG to JQ, that was their call. If JQ payed them or helped with transfer costs, its a non issue now. All drama that came from that was due to BG losing a strong force and JQ stacking, for the most part those issues are past.

As for my thoughts on “buying guilds” there is a huge disconnect between what is said here and what is really happening. They idea of out right buying a guild is unreasonable and would cost massive amounts of gold. Having to not only cover the transfer costs but also costs of upgrading the guild for buffs/guild missions (if applicable) and also them making a profit worthy of the move. Remember if they are mercenary, cost of moving again would need to be covered and if they are not bought again, those cost have to come from somewhere.

People from SoR have already admitted to helping some guilds with a part of the transfer costs to move to SoR, the same has been done by BG and I assume JQ. If the argument is BG is wrong for “buying guilds” then SoR and JQ are in the same boat. For any poster here that is concerned/upset because this lead to a guild leaving your server, its a much more understandable frustration then from any poster from BG/JQ/SoR.

@kitten.5741, the post wasn’t directed at you, I only quoted you for context.

EDIT: ugh its “kittening” your name. Sorry lol

rmprodigy.4679:

Zikory.6871

rmprodigy.4679:

Whats funnier then this, is the fact that I made a post about challenges and guild fights and open field fights with live stream . I said live stream so nobody could take a 4 minute snipit and hide behind forum posts. Live stream all the wipes would be there for everyone to see. You obviously saw my challenge ,and went as far as to save parts of my post. Now instead of contacting me, when you have my user name saved as it can be seen in your video, you went ahead and make a 4 minute laughable video of 10-15 DIE with others and cling onto it as what seems to be a sad attempt to show that maybe you have skill? Not sure.

So what you were asking for was a GvG? Not a open field engagement. You wanted to schedule a time and place so you could have your force and fight another…nothing impressive since you should challenge other guilds that do GvG and not the entirety of BG. You should also be more specific on the terms so you don’t have to come to the forums and defend every loss.

Also your 10-15 DIE was much more then the ~5 KnT in that video, so in essence you had a more solid guild group then the once you were fighting. Whats laughable it the fact that you think its necessary to try to defend why you lost to a pug force. You made a challenge, it doesn’t matter if its your perfect comp, uplevel night, ~10 of you leading pugs, or 5 of you running havoc, your going to get called out for losses.

Zikory – Roaming Thief of Blackgate – Retired
Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

Your right and wrong at the same time.

I made a challenge that Legends Never[DIE] would fight any where and anything as a 30-35 man Guild Group . The youtube video made by KnT or whoever states that you gusy are wiping us. In order for that to be true you would have to fight our guild only group. My statement was that when we run our guild only group we will fight anybody, anywhere , and on any terms. I just posted that we can either GvG or we can set up open fields if you don’t GvG.

“Legends Never [DIE] vs All of Bg”

not
“10 DIE+others vs All of BG”

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

It does but your setting your self up to easily defend any time you wipe to a group. Silly excuses like, we had 5 “rallians” with us that rallied you or we only had 20-25 not our 30-35 as stated in the challenge. Also out side of GvG, most Blackgate guilds won’t restrict our pugs from following so you will never have a true even open field fight. Also considering your looking for a controlled fight, you would never fight “all of BG” since a lot of our guilds don’t GvG and why would pugs be in a GvG?

I don’t know man, you guys are good and fun to fight but sadly your not as good as you think you are. Its also kinda pathetic to challenge “All of BG” then set a bunch of rules and regulations for a “fair” fight in your favor. Imo if you want those fights, go through the right channels to organize a GvG and call those guilds out. Out side of that, you should have expected things like this. Just don’t think you need to come here and defend why you lost to a pug group because they wouldn’t conform to your challenge arrangement.

rmprodigy.4679:

Whats funnier then this, is the fact that I made a post about challenges and guild fights and open field fights with live stream . I said live stream so nobody could take a 4 minute snipit and hide behind forum posts. Live stream all the wipes would be there for everyone to see. You obviously saw my challenge ,and went as far as to save parts of my post. Now instead of contacting me, when you have my user name saved as it can be seen in your video, you went ahead and make a 4 minute laughable video of 10-15 DIE with others and cling onto it as what seems to be a sad attempt to show that maybe you have skill? Not sure.

So what you were asking for was a GvG? Not a open field engagement. You wanted to schedule a time and place so you could have your force and fight another…nothing impressive since you should challenge other guilds that do GvG and not the entirety of BG. You should also be more specific on the terms so you don’t have to come to the forums and defend every loss.

Also your 10-15 DIE was much more then the ~5 KnT in that video, so in essence you had a more solid guild group then the once you were fighting. Whats laughable it the fact that you think its necessary to try to defend why you lost to a pug force. You made a challenge, it doesn’t matter if its your perfect comp, uplevel night, ~10 of you leading pugs, or 5 of you running havoc, your going to get called out for losses.

Aomine.5012:

Seriously, you shouldn’t care about who win cuz WvW is a joke in terms of fair fight.

What you really should care is what you’d get from that crappy chest after the season.
(Let me guess, 2 blues and 1 green?)

Why should we care about the loot we get at the end of the season? The rewards are just extra considering I would have done the meta any way, season or no season. (Well maybe not the JP’s but they are easy and a non issue)

Obsidian.1328:

Zikory.6871:

Deli.1302:

Cynz.9437:

what if a pve’er wants to play with irl friends and they play on t1 server?

They can guest.

What if that group of friends want to WvW for a night?

They can’t. It would be insanely easy for servers to abuse that function.

Exactly! So locking servers based on rank wouldn’t be something Anet would do.

kyro.8162:

Zikory.6871:

kyro.8162:

Zikory.6871:

GlowSticks.9734:

SoR always gets 2v1’d. It’s the only way they can have a chance. Also BG pays for guilds. gg no re.

+1

Funny you say that, It was confirmed in the match thread that SoR has helped guilds with transfer costs in the past as well so by your logic, all 3 servers buys guilds. gg

The thing that is getting people worked up soo much is that ZDs transfered (they play the gap of SEA and EU) and field a 35+ and they stated they are only taking a vacation to BG. That’s the problem. BG helped pay for a small fraction of their fees even though they only came for a vacation, so in a sense they are just playing mercenaries.

I understand where you’re coming from on that and that you are going to see it from a different perspective. We don’t see them as mercenaries because even if they are only here for vacation, we still want them to feel at home here. If they stay or not is up to them, just like it was for MERC, RISE, Agg, and others, they will do whats best for there guild and Blackgate supports that.

Also I’m assuming you’re using the word “Mercenaries” very loosely. Looking at the definition, they actually lost gold in this move so its not very mercenary like.

Thing is, they moved without any intention of staying. And they lose gold, but they gain “fun” in a sense. So it really depends on how they value the entertainment.

Either way, there stay here would be better suited in the main match up which is BG/SoR/JQ. Out side of how leagues are setup, that’s the real match. And no offence to the other servers, those are the best matches. I just hope week 7 doesn’t turn into a 2v1 BG/JQ (how ever it gos) and is a real battle royal of sorts. Plus we’ll see if ZDs will even stay that long, its been a poor representation of what T1 NA really is. To clarify, I’m not pointing at SoR as the issue, the issue being the lack of SoR/BG/JQ matches or leagues.

kyro.8162:

Zikory.6871:

GlowSticks.9734:

SoR always gets 2v1’d. It’s the only way they can have a chance. Also BG pays for guilds. gg no re.

+1

Funny you say that, It was confirmed in the match thread that SoR has helped guilds with transfer costs in the past as well so by your logic, all 3 servers buys guilds. gg

The thing that is getting people worked up soo much is that ZDs transfered (they play the gap of SEA and EU) and field a 35+ and they stated they are only taking a vacation to BG. That’s the problem. BG helped pay for a small fraction of their fees even though they only came for a vacation, so in a sense they are just playing mercenaries.

I understand where you’re coming from on that and that you are going to see it from a different perspective. We don’t see them as mercenaries because even if they are only here for vacation, we still want them to feel at home here. If they stay or not is up to them, just like it was for MERC, RISE, Agg, and others, they will do whats best for there guild and Blackgate supports that.

Also I’m assuming you’re using the word “Mercenaries” very loosely. Looking at the definition, they actually lost gold in this move so its not very mercenary like.

Necros are fine in that regard. Its a trade off, conditions can be very strong on players and necros can give a large blanket of conditions over a group of people. Because of that your missing power as a stat and are unable to kill siege quickly. Personally I don’t see it as a problem in WvW.

GlowSticks.9734:

SoR always gets 2v1’d. It’s the only way they can have a chance. Also BG pays for guilds. gg no re.

+1

Funny you say that, It was confirmed in the match thread that SoR has helped guilds with transfer costs in the past as well so by your logic, all 3 servers buys guilds. gg

Deli.1302:

Cynz.9437:

what if a pve’er wants to play with irl friends and they play on t1 server?

They can guest.

What if that group of friends want to WvW for a night?

Adahilia.3678:

Zikory.6871:

juno.1840:

Adahilia.3678:

jessiejay.3625:

Do it on reset night trololol XD. But yea seriously though I did a puzzle after my reset night work and no one was in all 4 puzzles.

I did all 4 to complete mine as there isn’t a bunch to do on those karma train weeks; but I think adding them was a way to try to get pvers into world and perhaps convert some into tried and true warriors.

Except they aren’t in the world — they’re in the JP. It’s separate and does not count towards the WvW zone population. It does not impact the WvW score, nor anything else remotely helpful in WvW.

It’s funny in a way as this is sort of a reverse-rant. Historically you hear complaints from PvE about having to go into WvW (badges, map completion, etc). I’m complaining about PvE being in my WvW!

EDIT: If you actually do WvW in the JPs, you get lots of rage from players

You do know that the EBG JP is the only one that doesn’t effect the WvW population right? The 3 in the BL’s do and are part of WvW…

They do however have to run through the zone to get to the puzzles with the exception of eb, and I would guess that some are interested enough to follow the dorito for a bit.

I’m not sure if were agreeing or not lol. Yes you have to queue and enter WvW to get to the JP. OS is the only JP that will remove you from the map population after you enter the JP. The ones on the BL’s are part of the map and you still count as part of the population while doing the JP.

Though in a future patch they are going to add a option to go strait to OS and bypass having to enter EBG, which will be good for both the JP people and the WvW players.

Chris.3290:

Zikory.6871:

Jeydra.4386:

Blackgate should win this. We won the first round (SoR vs. BG vs. JQ) and then demolished SoR twice in two weeks, by wide margins. We’re sufficiently stacked to have full queues on all four maps most of the time. Without some guild transfers, the only competitor is JQ, and JQ finished last in the first week. It’s difficult to see us losing.

While I’m confident we are going to win next week and beat JQ. I wouldn’t go as far as to rule them out. Both servers have quite a lot of motivation to beat us, SoR (maybe) to make sure we don’t win leagues and JQ because if we win the next 2 its over. Both SoR and JQ have decisively beat us, they can do it again if we (BG) get over confident.

wind on down there Speedy, you have a Maguuma and SoR yawnfest before you get JQ.

I’m not sure why you think I’m overlooking next week. I say it every week, BG needs to stay focused, these past weeks of fighting SoR can not reflect how the match is going to go next week. I truly believe SoR is a lot stronger than this, I would never rule them out as competition.

Sardonia.8196:

Zikory.6871:

Peetee.9406:

style.6173:

The questions:

2. Where did SoR go?

SoR plays map politics well, hence the reason they are able to hang in a 3 server match. In a 2 server match, there are no map politics and BG just whips our kitten . Our militia is demoralized, we’re struggling to queue 1 map during off hours, they’re queuing all four.

I completely agree, I don’t think its a problem with SoR, its a problem with leagues. SoR is a great server and winning PPT was never there thing. Before seasons, if you look at the matches (not the scores, the game play) SoR would be out there fighting and even if they are losing, it didn’t matter. Now that there is a incentive to win, that mentality is hard to continue for the militia.

While leagues is a cool idea, I think it has had a very negative effect on our tier and the community we built as rivals.

Well looking at score perspective. SoR does well from late EU to SEA time. Scores are quite close. Oceanic time may flip more towards BG but overall I think it still is quite close. However, now throw the new guild ZD that BG recruited. They play in a time zone from late SEA to early EU where the is not competition. They are able to flip about everything and T3 it. Unfortunetly no server will be able to win against that.
This causes people just to play when they not put in that extra effort because they know that it will have no effect in the outcome. They just play stress free and have fun and then log off at normal times.
Stacking servers to win, and I mean from all the T1 servers, hurts the game more than helps it. It lessens the people playing it and will cause WvW to die a slow death. Anet will probably not do anything about it, so it is up the players to balance it out. However I do not think that will happen either because people seem to want blow out wins. To me the best match ever was the first weeks in league were it came right to the end.

The thing about the scores is that if BG is winning mid week SoR “seems” to give up. That’s not truly the case before seasons, they would stop playing PPT as hard and just fight. While the scores showed other wise, the matches were still very competitive.

As for stacking, the huge “arms race” didn’t start till leagues were announced. JQ/SoR/BG were all recruiting to fill coverage gaps that we all had but it was for more 24 hour competition. Once winning had a reward over stacking happened and there was a huge flux in guilds. Just so happens that BG came out ahead (so far). While I want to win and get my finisher, do I think its good for our tier? no I don’t.

Out side of the lag of week 1, I agree that was intense! I hope week 7 tops it! I look forward to what ever happens that week.

juno.1840:

Adahilia.3678:

jessiejay.3625:

Do it on reset night trololol XD. But yea seriously though I did a puzzle after my reset night work and no one was in all 4 puzzles.

I did all 4 to complete mine as there isn’t a bunch to do on those karma train weeks; but I think adding them was a way to try to get pvers into world and perhaps convert some into tried and true warriors.

Except they aren’t in the world — they’re in the JP. It’s separate and does not count towards the WvW zone population. It does not impact the WvW score, nor anything else remotely helpful in WvW.

It’s funny in a way as this is sort of a reverse-rant. Historically you hear complaints from PvE about having to go into WvW (badges, map completion, etc). I’m complaining about PvE being in my WvW!

EDIT: If you actually do WvW in the JPs, you get lots of rage from players

You do know that the EBG JP is the only one that doesn’t effect the WvW population right? The 3 in the BL’s do and are part of WvW…

Peetee.9406:

style.6173:

The questions:

2. Where did SoR go?

SoR plays map politics well, hence the reason they are able to hang in a 3 server match. In a 2 server match, there are no map politics and BG just whips our kitten . Our militia is demoralized, we’re struggling to queue 1 map during off hours, they’re queuing all four.

I completely agree, I don’t think its a problem with SoR, its a problem with leagues. SoR is a great server and winning PPT was never there thing. Before seasons, if you look at the matches (not the scores, the game play) SoR would be out there fighting and even if they are losing, it didn’t matter. Now that there is a incentive to win, that mentality is hard to continue for the militia.

While leagues is a cool idea, I think it has had a very negative effect on our tier and the community we built as rivals.

Preacher.9018:

It IS grind, harmful to that too.

Its only a grind if you make it one. I play about 25 hours a week and just finished my Season Meta. The only one I “farmed” was ruins because I was in queue on a full capped map. Being its only week 3, you still have 4 weeks to finish it. That said for non WvW players that just want to get it done, its absolutely a grind but they are choosing to grind it out.

Harmful? In Week 1/2 absolutely! Now, not so much it hasn’t been much of a issue. At least on Blackgate.

Jeydra.4386:

Blackgate should win this. We won the first round (SoR vs. BG vs. JQ) and then demolished SoR twice in two weeks, by wide margins. We’re sufficiently stacked to have full queues on all four maps most of the time. Without some guild transfers, the only competitor is JQ, and JQ finished last in the first week. It’s difficult to see us losing.

While I’m confident we are going to win next week and beat JQ. I wouldn’t go as far as to rule them out. Both servers have quite a lot of motivation to beat us, SoR (maybe) to make sure we don’t win leagues and JQ because if we win the next 2 its over. Both SoR and JQ have decisively beat us, they can do it again if we (BG) get over confident.

SrebX.6498:

About Dire Gear and Spiteful removal: I don’t need Dire because of Spiteful Removal. This has been AMAZING for me. With piercing auto attack and 4 AoEs I’m hitting tons of people, getting kills left and right and having no conditions on me even without the need to get closer for Putrid Mark. I have no problem with Conditions, not at all, which is exactly why I don’t feel like I need the Vitality from Dire gear I thought about Spiteful Marks, but since the power damage from them is kittenty anyway I didn’t think Spiteful Marks is a good investment… Am I wrong?

As for Terror: I’m getting quiet a lot of Fears down… Spectral Wall, Doom, Reaper’s Mark, and in conjunction with DS #5 ‘s Torment I thought it’d be a worthy investment

As for the food: Do you have any suggestions? I’d be glad for some. I couldn’t find anything better that isn’t too expensive [10s+ each is way too much ><] and I thought it’d be good to raise the Fear duration…

Siege and PvD: Yep, I highly lack that feature… but 2 Rams are more useful than 30 glass canons on Gates, so I don’t think a few people running condition builds is noticeable.

Also, I read that comment before I even thought of that build. It’s very insightful and you’re 100% right, I just wanted to give it a shot, and I think it’s been quite successful so far [I can make a video if it’ll help]

About Spiteful Marks, TBH I’m not sure if it effects the the bleeds or fear(+terror) if it does, then maybe it might be a sound adjustment to boost your burst a bit but if it only effects the the main damage then yes, you’re right, with out power it may be a wasted trait as well. That said. if spiteful removal is working for you then keep it, I would suggest just trying a different trait for the sake of science. Maybe you’ll find that you don’t need it but at least you can swap the trait as needed to get the best results.

The terror suggestion is just my opinion, probably more clouded by my feeling about condi in zergs.

As for food, Rare Veggie Pizza is about the best food to use. Any other option would be something with 100 Condition damage to get 30 more out of it. Sadly it’s really hard to say because you don’t know if your enemy is running melandru runes or not. If they are they will be shaking off a lot of damage. Also right now Lemongrass is the go to food so you can almost guarantee most of the zerg will be using it.

As for the PvD thing, you’re right but the point is that being in a power build allows you to help when necessary. If you zerg is scouted, most commanders will call for PvD to get a little bit more damage in the door on top of the rams. It just helps speed the process.

In regards to dire gear, I currently switched out about half my gear for dire (for my roaming build) and found it to be much better, it gave me a little more HP to mess with. Also with full rabid you’ll have more than enough crit chance to be successful.

Keep working at it, like you said you’re finding success in the build so no reason to stop now. You’ll find that you will be more successful in a build that you have fun in. Also if you’re in a WvW guild, get the rest of the Necros to run condition and see how gross it can be!

Elano.2014:

JaredKincade.9761:

Before I start let me clarify something that people like to forget. I can’t speak for all servers, but I know enough about what’s going on BG to know that BG has never ever given more than the cost of a guild to move. In fact, I know of no particular case where it was more than 50% of the moving costs. In ZDs case, it was much much less. So for the definition of helping guilds move, or “buying” I’m talking about 50% or less than the guild cost to move.

50% is a lot of money, especially for a large guild like ZDs. If they moved 100 members (which I know for sure it is an underestimation) here, it’ll be a little bit under 3000G? Isn’t that buying, if you’re not hoping that they will return the money? I mean, most of the WvW’ers can make enough gold to transfer themselves at least a few times.

How would it be “buying” if said guild covers 50% of the cost? Also if you read what he said " In ZDs case, it was much much less." It seems they payed for them selves for the most part. I’m not sure where you buy things but if the store is paying for 50% of every thing you buy, you sir have found a great place to shop.

Just to criticize the build. More or less the build is fine. A few things to think about (might not necessarily be a change you want to make) You may want to replace some pieces with dire to buff up your HP. Spiteful removal, imo is kinda a wasted trait, with staff 4 (since you have it traited and can be used more often) and your heal consume conditions, conditions on you won’t be much of a issue. Also the fact that some one has to die for it to activate, its not something you can bank on. Since you’re focusing on Staff spiteful marks might be a better option also chill of death is also very good.

Next would be terror, in a zerg setting you might find more use from chilling darkness (paired with plague #2) or master of corruption to get epidemic off more often. The reason for no terror is because your limited to 6 possible fears, 1 in DS and the 5 from staff #5. Staff 5 being a 32s CD you would get more damage out of Master of corruption.

As for condi builds in zergs there’s a few things that make it less useful than power builds. As you stated you know about cleanses/lemongrass food/melandru runes so not much to say there but one thing to point out is that most fights revolve around spike damage which AoE conditions are not, since your using rare veggie pizza, you’re boosting condition duration that might not even be used do to someone dieing or cleansing it. So you’re more likely to waste dps.

Next would be the lack of power, since you have very little power in your build, you can’t really help kill siege or PvD if needed. Its a loss in over all effectiveness for your team.

Lastly the most useful condition we offer aren’t really effected by condition damage. Chill, blind, weakness, cripple, all very useful to mitigate damage in your zerg and they are also supplied by most power builds.

To close out, This is my personal opinion and I don’t want it to feel like I’m saying your wrong. If the build works for you, then great. Amazing builds can only do as much as your play style allows. As a suggestion if you look for a new build, talk to some of your favorite guilds to follow, as their Necros what they do and why. The build I run works wonders with my guilds comp but isn’t as strong in others.

Here’s a link to a post I made in a thread thats still on the page about how I feel about Condi in zergs, If you care.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Any-WvW-Conditionmancer-Zerg-build/first#post3149494

Either way, good luck.

Jet.4795:

Kiff.8157:

Jet.4795:

Kiff.8157:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Titan.3472:

UltraHiDef.4809:

All BGs wanting to be #1 are hilarious.

I want more… I want SoR to fall apart.

See this is why people hate BG.

I heard that when JQ went to T2 for the first time few months ago and when they were back to T1, for the very first time, JQ and SOR 2v1ed BG for 7 days long at some point BG ppt dropped to less than 50 all because someone on SOR wanted BG guilds and community to fall apart? (source from JQ)

Your source is wrong.

o’ really, cuz waha admitted it publicly no one knew the motives behind but he just told

1 person does not represent the whole server.

100% true but I bet 1 person could help influence decisions made by the server.

This is a surprising post from some one from Maguuma. You do understand safety in numbers right? This would most likely force larger groups together more often. I mean if you want to zerg, you can, you don’t need to change the game mode to do that.

Chris.3290:

Warthog.6870:

You mean the top 4

I think that’s a BAZINGA!

I think TC has had a net loss of WvW population during the season.

Well the loss of EP and KH was a huge hit, they are both very good guilds. Losing both of them would hurt any server.

Kiltor.9362:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Unbalanced-League-for-WvW-Green-Borderland/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Unbalanced-League-for-WvW-Green-Borderland/page/4#post3150081

So you can jump to the important post.

Tyaen.5148:

I think BG is upset.

Super duper upset! grrrr!

I don’t think its necessary. I most cases the commander is the one throwing down siege and can kick players from said siege. If its so imperative that some one with mastery is on the siege then it should be a priority to the commander to manage that.

Another option is to have assigned people throw siege for you so they can claim them with the mastery.

I’m not going to say its a bad idea because I don’t really care either way but I don’t think its a needed change.

Is this another BG/SoR thread? Anet get it together and make a SoR/BG love nest forum already.

KeeZee.7312:

Liquid.9672:

Keep in mind a couple of things. ZDs was approached a good while ago from what I understand (I wasn’t involved). It was Season 1 and heavy EU queues that got them considering alternatives. They took a look, remembered their dialog with BG, saw that they would likely get to face off against IRON for 3 weeks, and decided playing (short or no queues) is better than not playing (long queues).

At the time they were approached, and I would argue even leading into Season 1, BG had a coverage hole it felt it needed to fill, which was SEA to EU. MERC had been covering the hole admirably for months, but overextending will wear on anyone, and ultimately it led to their decision to transfer to JQ where they could get the SEA support going into Season 1.

Also about morale. While BG had a bit of a morale boost after the first week win, many of us were very aware that Season 1 politics played a good sized part in that win. To be frank, while we maintained a very positive outlook on our chances, I think deep down there was a good chunk of us that really questioned whether we could beat SoR 1v1 or not. However, as of about midnight server time on Sunday night (turning into Monday) we started to surge and hit 400 PPT at 1am. Then the next morning the news broke that ZDs was going to begin transferring. Even though ZDs hadn’t even moved over yet, our surge plus that news lit a morale fire, and by midnight on Monday we had closed SoR’s lead to 2k. The mentality changed from “hmm I’m not sure” to “hell yeah we got this”. The next morning ZDs transferred and the rest is history. SoR’s morale fell while BG’s surged, and participation and effort moved in opposite directions for each server. BG played more and longer, while SoR played less and shorter (generalizing here).

My point is, all of us in T1 are “stacked”. Particularly when compared to other servers. People that play on those servers must look at our use of the word and think we’re all on crack. Winning at this point is determined who cares about it the most for the longest stretch of time.

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I love how you take things out of context and try so hard. It wasn’t that we didn’t think we could win, its that we knew how strong SoR was and we were not going to be complacent. You need to stop discrediting SoR…if you think those were easy wins, you are quite wrong. And before you post the scores, they mean nothing when one server gives up on Wednesday.

KeeZee.7312:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for the BG post on how leagues aren’t fair because they ended up with the easiest schedule.

How does BG have the easiest schedule? Are you saying SoR has worse coverage then the 2 T2 servers JQ has to fight?

How does BG have the hardest schedule? Are you saying BG has worse coverage compared to SoR and JQ?

I know your really trying but I never said BG has the hardest schedule, just not the easiest. If you would have asked me before seasons (excluding the T2 servers) I would have said yes BG has the hardest schedule because I expected a lot more out of SoR. Now it seems SoR has the “hardest” schedule…

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for the BG post on how leagues aren’t fair because they ended up with the easiest schedule.

How does BG have the easiest schedule? Are you saying SoR has worse coverage then the 2 T2 servers JQ has to fight?

Right now Condi in zergs ins’t great as most here pointed out. Cleanses, melandru runes, lemongrass food. Most of the damage is negated so the instant damage from power builds tend to be more useful. Also things like weakness, blind, chill aren’t effected by condition damage so you can still provide condi support while not building for condi damage.

That said, as a “pug” condi can do fine as long as you know how to play your class well enough. I say “pug” because most guilds run a type of comp that call for other things and power builds for the most part fill the role better. I don’t remember the name of the guild but they are on SoS, they seemed to run a very condi heavy Necro group and the first few times we engaged them it hurt a lot. Problem was it was easily countered but the first time we engaged them was disgusting.

Honestly if this is going to be your main toon, I’d work on a power build. You can start with PVT gear from WvW since its the cheapest if you have the badges. Then work in knights, zerker, cavaliers, what ever till you find the right gear for you. Either way if you feel successful in a zerg as condi and don’t die while still being able to fight, go for it. No on can say your wrong if your doing well and being helpful but right now for the most part power builds are the “best” for zerging.

KeeZee.7312:

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

BG beat SoR 6 out of their last 7 matches and still proceeded to buy more guilds.

I love how BG’s forum warriors gloss over that fact and still keep saying that they are the underdogs and needed to buy another guild.

Yay, another one bringing up Cash!

KeeZee, would you care to guess how much the fundraiser pulled together in UHD’s abscence please??

I mean, it is constantly brought up, that BG buys guilds and that this stacking is what have ended the possibility of a competitive T1. So the fundraiser about 2 months ago must be the root of all this evil doing.
Go on, how much do you think was raised?

Don’t be mad that BG beat SoR 6 out of the 7 matches and still felt that they needed to keep buying guilds.

Funny how you still don’t count the matches with SoR as easy…….I know why….because that would make BG the server with the easiest matches.

What colour is the sky in the world you live in….Rose?

Hey how many times did BG beat SoR?

styx.7294:

Zikory.6871:

Your absolutely right, they should force people to transfer to Vabbi rather than give people a option to move to a more appropriate environment.

Classic T1 logic: People should absolutely not transfer to the bottom tier! They should transfer up tiers instead!

Classic unoriginal expected response. You know there are a lot of tiers between vabbi and T1 right?

morrolan.9608:

Liquid.9672:

morrolan.9608:

Tajz.9826:

Come on guys. It’s nothing like BG is getting more stack or something. We’re basicly the same. It’s just some in SoR decided to slack or basicly play BF4 too much while BG is just the same o’BG who fight nonstop?

To those who try to claimed BG overstack, let me summarize what we get/lose recently:
BG gained EU-[COIN] wvw average25, Early EU-[ZDs] wvw average35
BG lost Oceanic/SEA-[MERC] wvw average30, Oceanic/SEA-

all I know is that the numbers of BG I face have hugely increased. They are not the same numbers from 3weeks ago.

Many guilds and players were chilling out before Season 1 started, myself included. Since then it’s been game on.

What about before then? I’ve been on sor for months these were clearly the biggest numbers you’ve ever fielded.

If your referring to our numbers now, were doing well on the score board, our fair weather players are out in force. Its no different then any other time, server morale dictates how many “pugs” will come out and how well they’ll do.

SleepingDragon.1596:

Liquid.9672:

Many guilds and players were chilling out before Season 1 started, myself included. Since then it’s been game on.

So… the truth finally comes out eh? I was right on when I said BG purposely tanking score. i.e. taking a vacation, chilling out and not playing for real, etc. No more denials can be made now!!! :-)

Lawl, trying pretty hard for that one…it was no secret that we weren’t trying hard the week before season, tbh i don’t think SoR was either…And tanking the scores? for what? dropping out of gold league…

KeeZee.7312:

Congratz to the undermanned server for defying the odds and taking first in leagues.

It will be fun to read the posts on how BG overcame the odds, even overcame Anet rigging the match against them.

Lol after all the tears last week, not much you can say…It’s funny that BG gets 1 SEA/EU guild and SoR folds on reset…I wonder what happened in NA? Since it was reset this 1 guild had zero effect on the outcome of the night…

No offence to the SoR that are out there fighting every night and day (because there are still quite a few of you) but its quite pathetic that you’ll so easily give up because you don’t have a shot at winning seasons, or your behind in the match. I remember a time when SoR used to troll BG for caring about PPT and chant “were only here for the fights” every chance they get, what happened to that?

Your absolutely right, they should force people to transfer to Vabbi rather than give people a option to move to a more appropriate environment.

I was so sad to hear KH left TC till I found out they went to Mag and stayed in Gold league! I honestly can’t wait to see you guys on the battle field again! IMO KH is one of the most impressive guilds NA right now, every fight with them is a nail biter and is a blast to be a part of, even when they stomp you into the ground! Good luck recruiting and I hope Mag treats you well! Keep being awesome and see you in week 4!

Krakah.3582:

I guess the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

Didn’t you see the schedule? JQ is always green…

Elano.2014:

but maybe they can start earlier to fight SoR SEA? Or start later to fight SoR EU? Instead of playing in the transition of SEA -> EU, when there’s almost no one to fight against.

Interesting request since the IRON members have said they are unwilling to do so them selves. Why should ZDs adjust there schedule?

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

Zikory.6871:

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

On the other hand, qq about us on a forum without a guildtag in your signature…

Some don’t want our views to be construed as the views of our guilds. So to avoid any confusion, the guild tag is left out. Food for thought at least.

Everyone with a little education should get that a post from 1 or 2 members arent the view of a whole guild.

Its also easier to qq about a guild on a forum then beat them on the battlefield. If any of the qqers overhere want to sort it on the battlefield feel free to whisp me ingame.

Last post for me overhere,

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

? George Carlin

That’s not a education issue, Your sig is the only information about said poster you get so it represents the persons stance. Being the main people complaining about this is from IRON, that only makes it seem even more like a representation of how the guild feels about it. Not 1 person from IRON has posted a opposite view on the matter, further pointing to the fact that IRON as a whole feels this way.

As posters on the forums, we do not know what is said by IRON as a guild so your posters represent you here. Like it or not, this is a very diverse forum and you may want to start realizing your posts will be interpreted differently by different people.

And to ask, is that a warning? a show of your experience in idiocy?

Bash.7291:

We might have to build an ark due to the flood of tears in this thread….

Seriously though, this is pathetic. BG got one guild who once again, WAS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED, and SoR throws a kitten-fit. I can’t count the number of times that SoR has said “we are in it for the fights, not for the points” then why does it matter who is winning or losing to you guys, get out there and freaking fight. It is even worse that you blame this one guild, despite the fact that the turnaround in points happened even before they came over.

Also, why do people feel the need to post the server status? WvW maps are limited no matter what in the first place. On top of that we also have one of the largest PvE communities along with TC, who is listed at very full just like SoR, despite not having anywhere close to the WvW numbers that SoR has. Unlike SoR though, TC actually still shows up to fight even though they don’t expect to win in points.

No see, now that ZDs is here, they flip everything before IRON gets on. Now its super hard and IRON doesn’t want to do it. Welcome to how BG’s NA felt when we came into weeks of T1 garrisons and no WP’s…its rough out there…

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

On the other hand, qq about us on a forum without a guildtag in your signature…

Some don’t want our views to be construed as the views of our guilds. So to avoid any confusion, the guild tag is left out. Food for thought at least.