Guild Wars 2

morrolan.9608:

To the OP since when did SOR quit playing?

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Because SoR and JQ don’t understand how to play long-haul, and get demoralized very quickly.

Whats funny is that BG has reacted in exactly the same way before. Its not about the server getting demoralised (cause SOR aint) its about PvE players not turning out when the going gets tough, its happened on all servers.

Demoralized refers to your overall WvW participation. Your “hardcore” daily WvW guild will be out there every day, we know that and those people are respected for it. It’s the fair weather population that becomes the issue. The difference is that BG has its 25-30 man guild group and 30-40 pugs with them because they are doing well VS. SoRs 25 man guild group and no pugs because you’re not doing well. From where we’re standing it looks like SoR stopped showing up and is demoralized.

Ayarei.6912:

ppl always complain winner. if JQ win ss1 both BG and SoR surely complaint about JQ bought MERC. but now is ZDs.

you guys forgot (or ignore) about how many BG did OT.
and it will be us to do the same thing if other winning this.

Lol OT! Blackgate players were happy to do what hours they put in, no one was forced or told to do so. You can say what you want but if some one wants to play for 2,6,12,24 hours that’s on them and their choice.

And to the IF JQ won! I think the common complaint would have been that JQ got 3 easy matches.

Alkaholic.3875:

Thanks for the answers, what this has taught me is that merc guilds are an AWESOME aspect of the game. Make a name for urself, sell services to highest bidder, ???, Profit. I don’t know what the transfer fee is but 3K is like 4 members at 800gems (forgot what the price was pre leagues). But in the end could be lucrative.

Hi Alkaholic,

So it cost 1800 gems per person to transfer to Blackgate. At the time that ZDs transferred to Blackgate the gem rate was 6.63g per 100 gems. That means it was roughly 120g per transfer. With 3000g they were able to transfer 25 of there ~40 members by them selves.

Btw 3000g would allow you to transfer ~56 players to a server that is rated for 800 gem transfers. At the rate of gold to gems at that time.

Ayrilana.1396:

Zikory.6871:

Ayrilana.1396:

Deli.1302:

A combination of SoR/JQ dropping the ball, BG playing to win by putting in massive overtime, BG collaborating with SoS (was kinda funny hearing about SoS spawn camping SoR lol) and the purchase of ZDs (ZDs only paid 3k of their own gold, rest was funded by BG).

Care to cite your sources for the last two items (SoS and ZD)?

The SoS thing is a joke or should be, SoS has made it very clear that they play to play. Maybe that group of SoS had a bone to pick with SoR that night.

As for the ZDs comment, it was confirmed by ZDs in our match up thread. You can read the post if you like.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/11-15-JQ-SOS-BG-Gold-Season-Match-5-1/page/7#post3231608

They were assisted after they decided to move though. Technically not buying as they would have come to the server regardless.

Well other people don’t see it that way and also forget that there own server did similar transactions for them selves. Other lower servers were/are mad that there guilds moved up so its easier for them to just jump on the “they bought our guilds” bandwagon.

Ayrilana.1396:

Deli.1302:

A combination of SoR/JQ dropping the ball, BG playing to win by putting in massive overtime, BG collaborating with SoS (was kinda funny hearing about SoS spawn camping SoR lol) and the purchase of ZDs (ZDs only paid 3k of their own gold, rest was funded by BG).

Care to cite your sources for the last two items (SoS and ZD)?

The SoS thing is a joke or should be, SoS has made it very clear that they play to play. Maybe that group of SoS had a bone to pick with SoR that night.

As for the ZDs comment, it was confirmed by ZDs in our match up thread. You can read the post if you like.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/11-15-JQ-SOS-BG-Gold-Season-Match-5-1/page/7#post3231608

Zerging will net you a lot. You get a chance of 1-2 in every bag drop plus some from your rank up chest.

Here is all the ways you can get badges of honor.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Badge_of_Honor

@Chris Assuming Blackgate wins this week and clinches the win, the best out come would be JQ 2nd SoR/TC tie for 3rd and SoS/Mag tie for 4th. At least to maximize rewards across the board.

That would require SoS to take 3rd in either week 6 or 7 while mag takes 2nd (In 1 of those matches). JQ to beat SoR next week and SoR to get 3rd in week 7.

Match manipulation would most likely be required but who knows maybe not.

Chris.3290:

Krakah.3582:

So is JQ going to be nice and let SoR tie for second seat in the next 2 matches?

One would argue that if SoR is so weakened that JQ could manipulate the match to such a degree to allow TC to surpass them, then maybe they should (not that I approve of such measures, but I think you are grossly overestimating JQ and underestimating SoR)

The only way that can happen is if JQ and TC could push SoR to 3rd and I highly doubt they could. SoR may be weaker then in the past but they are by no means weak.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Zikory.6871:

Hi Doug,

Can you name any or all of the guilds Blackgate “bought” and the amounts paid? Also can you clarify your definition of “bought” under this context so we can keep things clear. Looking forward to your insight on the matter.

Why do you get so offended when, in terms of playing to win, it was the soundest strategy to win the league?

Hi Ross,

I’m going to assume your use of the word “you” you’re generalizing the Blackgate populous. Which is understandable, there are quite a lot of dedicated members of Blackgate that take a lot of pride in our server and community. Regardless of how any guild or player got to Blackgate, they are treated as if they are family and defended as such.

If you’re implying that I’m offended, you may want to consider brushing up on your reading comprehension skills. I am merely asking what knowledge Doug has on the matter. As far as I can tell he is just like every one else that reads “BG bought guilds” and jumps on the bandwagon. If you or anyone that wants to fill me in on what guilds Blackgate bought and what the rates were, I would be quite interested.

Prophet.1038:

BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY. BUY him, BUY that, BUY that guild, BUY those guys over there, BUY his family, BUY his cousins, BUY his pets, BUY his house, BUY the bank, BUY more, BUY his cousin cousins, BUY superior arrow carts, BUY 2 v 1, lose open field fights, and kitten we have queues 24/7.
-Blackgate moto

Excuse me Sir/Ma’am,

The Blackgate Motto as been trademarked, we will be expecting payment for your use of said motto by the end of the match up. You can make all payments to the “warchest”

Thanks for helping us procure more funds for any future venture.

Buy Buy Buy

Hi Doug,

Can you name any or all of the guilds Blackgate “bought” and the amounts paid? Also can you clarify your definition of “bought” under this context so we can keep things clear. Looking forward to your insight on the matter.

Boribot.2568:

Sunt.6835:

lol bros.

I wasn’t at night time last time but some of us must have played overtime to hold the ppt for sure. They probably realized it from the Sunday night.

it’s just we want it more !

KnT was definitely playing overtime again last night, but that has been a common occurrence throughout the season.

Overtime you say? People still think KnT is only a NA guild still?

akanibbles.6237:

Result is meaningless unless each team has spent an equal time as GREEN.

How so?

Why is Agg even a subject in this. I’m not surprised they came to this match. Agg has been around T1 enough for us to know that they will transfer to the fights if they have to and what better match to be part of then this one. Agg is always fun to fight and I’m glad they are here.

As for the week 1 2v1, get over it. It was in the best interest of both SoR and BG for JQ to get 3rd place. If either BG or SoR wanted a chance at first place in seasons JQ had to get 3rd that week. BG just got the better end of the deal and no one expected weeks 2/3/4 to go the way they did.

To GE and RQ: Amazing fights in JQBL last night. You guys are great at keeping that pressure up. I’d have to say that orchard fight was crazy, I couldn’t see a thing until your train came running through. Hope to see you guys again tonight. Much fun.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

it only promotes zerging.

Remove players from WvW! It only promotes zerging…

Julie Yann.5379:

Zikory.6871:

How would you suggest to do that with out making zerging even more profitable?

Don’t give the rewards for killing the lord. Instead give the rewards for contribution on taking the tower. Put it all in a nice little chest that drops next to you along with you WXP. Pretty simple really.

What constitutes “contribution”? What if I attacked a gate or siege then left? How would the rewards scale? Based off the amount of contribution or if I contributed at all?

What about possibility of exploitation? Would that allow for people to do just enough to “contribute” to the take, then afk or leave the fight? How about people sharing treb shots to guarantee the rewards?

DevonCarver.5370:

Solstice.1097:

Can I ask what you perceive as a bigger problem; giving rewards to those who may not deserve them, or giving no rewards to those who do?

It’s like asking which is worse; letting a criminal go free or convicting an innocent, and I personally agree with the latter.

I say decide what rewards are appropriate, put them in place, and as you start to see the ways in which it can be abused you will much more effectively be able to tweak it to prevent said abuses.

Unfortunately that runs the risk of closing the barn door after the horse gets out. The economy is not something we like to take those sorts of risks on and we wouldn’t be adding rewards until we are more certain of their effects on all of the game.

I’d like to thank you for taking adding rewards to WvW seriously and not just adding them because we want them. If rewards get too good and get close to or more profitable than PvE, WvW would turn into a farm and while it would get more people into WvW, it would be for the wrong reasons. It could end up doing more harm to the game mode then good.

Fafnir.5124:

Zikory.6871:

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

To note us magummans are always wining 12 hours after reset and usually get lead a few oceanic’s can make all the difference in WvW. What I don’t see is why WvW is devided into NA and EU servers when best servers have 24 hour zergs. I push for all seasons to be merged gold, silver and bronze for NA and EU. This way we actually have people same level to fight against. Let first half be random and second half be best fight the best and score be based on who you win against not that you win determined by off season ranks.

TC does the same thing, they are normally leading reset during NA and lose the lead in OCE. No doubts the prowess of T2 NA forces, its the water fall effect of them having to make up ground after oce/sea/eu that puts them at a disadvantage.

As for a Tier 1 EU/NA league would be awesome. I would love to test our might against VS and see where we really stack up. I bet JQ and SoR would feel the same. I think there is just a physical limitation on anets side that won’t allow for it. It would be truly epic though.

How would you suggest to do that with out making zerging even more profitable?

FinalPatriot.8034:

I agree that the thief’s ability to “scout” and take out targets along the perimeter of the zerg adds a great deal but other than that role, what else can they do? The SB leaves a great deal to be desired. Still, it is nice to be able escape should you find yourself in a bad situation. Sometime I just wish my thief could do more against the enemy zerg than just spamming SB skills.

The key is to take out “high threat” targets on the back line. You don’t necessarily even need to kill them. By putting pressure of Necros/eles just raining damage on your group will relieve a massive amount of damage. While it won’t get you the tags SB will get, it’s one of those jobs that i’ts usefulness out ways its rewards. Plus another thing is dagger storm is one of the best ways to split a zerg on its push. It very common right now for groups to run a heavy front line and ranged back line. By cutting them in half, your group can effectively wipe out there back line. While thieves are not the “best” for zerging, they can be useful.

They both will receive rewards for the the spot they placed. So if 2 servers get first place, they both get first place rewards.

Source
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Tie-Breaker/first#post3169094

Rigel.3092:

Dude, depends upon how you define “wet noodle”…..with over 138 K kills in WvW, I hardly would say that my necro hits like a “wet noodle” but hey, I’ll keep collecting mah loot bags while you continue to contemplate how my 2700 Power is hitting like a “wet noodle”…..

Regardless of how well your build does or what you think, 138k kills is not that impressive once you realize that it does actually doesn’t portray how much damage your build does. With Necros AoE prowess it’s quite easy to get “tags” to get loot bags. Any build can drop a few wells, hit WH #5, Life Transfer and have a majority of the enemy zerg tagged. It doesn’t take that much damage it get a “kill” counted to your achievement list…

Hi Cyler,

This is the closest I know to a soldiers build but its mostly knights, assuming since it has such low crit chance/damage you could go soldiers instead. The thread is here on the front page. Personally I have never tried the build so i can’t “recommend” it. Also I don’t know any necros that run a full PVT gear set.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/SrebX-s-WvW-Frontline-Necromancer/first#post3200222

Liquid.9672:

Kreen.3925:

Hobbitz.5831:

My sources tell me that Waha and almost all of ATM/FoO walked away from Guild Wars 2 this week. Looks like BG will be the last server standing at the end after all.

Congrats BG, you have earned your right to PvDoor for the rest of GW2’s existance.

Lol, suggest you find a better source, yours are rubbish.

I guess its just wishful thinking from BlackHoleGate.

Hey now! That’s quite unbecoming of you Kreen! For what it’s worth, the person you quoted doesn’t play on BG, and waha/ATM/etc quitting the game is certainly not something we wish for.

Speak for your self, Down with JQ! Long live other people! Rable Rable Rable Rable Rable. :p

Kreen.3925:

Hobbitz.5831:

My sources tell me that Waha and almost all of ATM/FoO walked away from Guild Wars 2 this week. Looks like BG will be the last server standing at the end after all.

Congrats BG, you have earned your right to PvDoor for the rest of GW2’s existance.

Lol, suggest you find a better source, yours are rubbish.

I guess its just wishful thinking from BlackHoleGate.

Quite the contrary, I think most, if not all of BG is looking forward to next week! We’ve missed you so…

Solstice.1097:

If you’re a T1 server is it fun facing rank 4, 5, 6 or would you rather have T1 fights?

IMO, Yes facing 4,5,6 can be fun. There are some great guilds on those servers that are ton of fun to fight against but do I want to fight them all the time? No. As for fighting T1 servers, I think most to all T1 players look forward to the SoR/BG/JQ matches but if that was the only servers in the “Diamond” league, why have leagues at all. It seems it would be better to go back to the original ladder and allow for T1 server to drop down and T2 servers to jump up every so often based off rating. That way it limits blowouts and keeps tiers competitive, out side of server wide implosion, servers would fight server they are semi equal to.

Personally I don’t want another season. The amount of garbage and drama is caused doesn’t seem worth it. Its a good idea but badly implemented do to population of the servers.

There are a lot of aspects to WvW, what do you want to do? Roaming? Your build is fine though personally I’d put those 10 points in Curses. Zerker will be fine but you’ll die often unless you’re really good. Necros tend to get focused (in my experience) If your looking to zerg, i’d mix in a healthy amount of soldiers/cavaliers/knights to get the desired amount of toughness/HP/damage. I’ve used 30/10/0/0/30 for both roaming and zerging and it will do fine. Also I’d suggest dropping dagger for staff if your in a zerg.

I’m a firm believer of people not being able to tell you what the right gear is in WvW. Personally I run a lot more toughness then others because I’m overly aggressive in zerg fights and tend to stick to the front lines. While others stay closer to the back lines and can afford more damaging stats. Find your play style and gear appropriately, I think gearing tanky then adding dps gear as needed till you find a sweet spot is a good way to go about it, though I have heard people say go the other way around.

Hope this helps.

Mauvelence.6870:

To the baddie human female KnT thief who tried to jump me and failed: next time, I’ll put on food and oil, make sure to put you face down in the dirt instead of let you break away, and put it on stream.

p.s.- Stick to NA timezone.

You didn’t stream it?!?! Its cool, I like fiction too.

scootshoot.6583:

DKNS.2135:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.

The impact of losing all upgrades every day while you have no one to defend is pretty significant.

It’s not like they don’t have the people to hold stuff in this time zone at all. They used to actually winning this brief time zone with IRON and stay-up late SEA. The coming of ZDs only really just tip the scale towards BG, not completely dominates like right now. The problem is ever since SoR lose week 2 to a dramatic come back, they are completely demoralized and people just stop trying to put in effort to cover this brief time zone. And now it becomes a vicious cycle, no one tries so you lose everything, which discourage more people from trying….

Bottom line is you got bigger to ‘tip the scales’. You are now suggesting your competition just work harder because you want good match-ups. So you want a good match as long as the scales are tipped in your favor, because if they were tipped in someone else’s favor you could have just worked harder right?

Maybe instead of playing in a decided match they are spending all their time recruiting and raising money for a warchest, it is the GW2 way.

BG worked their kitten off when you got IRON.

BG also never gave up when our SEA/OCX was having issues when MERC left.

BG also worked overtime to bring down JQ the first time it happened because if you recall we came from behind back then as well while being weaker than JQ back in those days.

I can go on and on but what’s the use….

When one uses terms like work and overtime to describe their server in a video game of all things….well let’s just say it’s difficult to match that, congrats on your victory man

Why does “work” need to be used negatively? I enjoy my job, the place that I “work”, I don’t consider it a obligation because it’s something I want to do. The people on SoR that are “working” to make SoR a better server should be looked down upon because they are working towards something? Over time? It’s merely putting more hours then whats normal, because I or whomever is able to put in more hours than they normally would is considered wrong or negative? If I or a group of people are able to stay up later to play a bit longer or “put in overtime” how is that wrong?

Anyways thanks for the congrats, I know I’ll be looking forward to week 7. The big 3 together once again.

Chris.3290:

people who lied for weeks saying there would be no queues in T1 during the Season.

I don’t think anyone said there wasn’t queues during seasons. All the servers that said that pre seasons weren’t lieing. There wasn’t queues prior to week 1.

Though if any one did claim that, then a more derogatory form of the word lieing might be in order.

Lexiculus.5296:

Thank. This is the kind of information I was looking for. I currently play a guardian.

On a side note, I tried to build a ram the other day when a small group was fighting in front of a tower door after another world captured it. I learned quickly that everyone has to put in their supply to build it. =)

Yup thats where build mastery comes in handy, allowing you to put more supply in faster allows for it to be built faster. And since you’re a guardian, you’ll be spending a lot of time close to the door and you have self stability, Ram Mastery is a great thing to have.

What exactly do you like doing in WvW? And what class do you play?

As a rule of thumb imo, Supply master (4 ticks) build/repair master (~2 ticks) should be mandatory. From there it really depends on what you like doing and what class you play. If you run with the zerg and are tanky, Ram mastery is good (minimum of 3 but 5 is really good) AC (2 ticks) is great to have as well. Then from there you can do cata/treb mastery, maxed treb is great for everyone to have because of the supply drain on cows.

Last defense against guards and guard killer are things every one wants and should have at some point but due to the cost I’d get some of the stuff listed above first and slowly work your way to maxing theses. That said if your main focus is roaming and you rarely join the zerg, these become much better to have. More so then a siege mastery.

Ahka.6705:

Jaytee.9513:

Zikory.6871:

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

Says the player on the dominating server……….I really think its kinda disgusting that people tell others to enjoy a game they cannot win. For me its a has to be balance between effort and rewards……playing for fights but getting overwhelmed at every turn is NOT my idea of enjoyment, especially since those OP servers are getting more rewards for less effort.

Really the devs should take a stance and face this problem before the competition comes out or they will lose many players who feel they have been ignored and spitted on with this lack of empathy.

To all those players who feel playing a game when you have NO chance of winning is fun, don’t demean those vocal enough to say something is wrong with the game mode. Games are meant to be competitive where each match should not be determined before-hand and that would be the fun factor that most of us are looking for.

My server has one of the toughest schedules for the season. We are up against at least 1 T1 server 5 out of 7 weeks. We have no chance to win those matches and will not be in the top 3 when all is said and done, but we are still having fun. Forget about the overall PPT and look at individual fights. We are going to come in 4th. This has been known since they released the schedule. No golden Dolyak for us (but we have Handin ).

Skill doesn’t determine who wins or loses, it’s coverage. There is a thread about population imbalance going so at least Anet is acknowledging there is a problem and accepting ideas on how to address it. For now, just have fun, win the fights you can, and shrug off the ones you can’t. It’s all we can do at this point.

/salute

This right here, every T1 server has huge respect for TC and its players. If I remember right TC has came out ahead in Score every reset (during the NA part) every time you’ve fought BG. The only thing holding TC back is the lack of coverage. I’m sure losing KH and EP was a big hit to your NA but you guys still did great in week 2.

But back to the subject (kinda) these issues will never be resolved as long as the population is the way it is. Unforchantly a majority of non NA players have migrated to T1 servers leaving everything below lacking. Maybe after seasons, if the queues persist some of these guilds may transfer around. Till then as long as there are random match up there are always going to be blow outs. This whole issue could be resolved by allowing the ladder to do its job and place the correct servers together.

SoPP.7034:

Zikory.6871:

I’m giving you a example of a server in a similar situation.

It’s an interpretation, only Mag can tell you what Mag knows. While you may have the right intention, you come from a server that hardly has perspective.

SoPP, You’re absolutely right! I can’t speak for Mag or the majority of it’s population but based off what has been said in the match up thread and the amount of players on the field, I would say that they have a good out look on what can come from the match. I’ve seen everything from groups of 5 to 30 running around fighting much greater numbers over and over and keep coming back. From my perspective on the stronger side, Mags WvW core is very resilient, my example was only to show that there are people out there finding fun in a otherwise guaranteed loss.

Charak.9761:

If the topic is on silver, why are you referring to gold league to define balance, Blackgate has 1st place sealed.

I’m giving you a example of a server in a similar situation. Mag will have a guild or group of 10-20 people on a map that they own nothing and try to make something out of it. The fact that its gold league is irrelevant, its the point behind the comment.

Jaytee.9513:

Zikory.6871:

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

Says the player on the dominating server……….I really think its kinda disgusting that people tell others to enjoy a game they cannot win. For me its a has to be balance between effort and rewards……playing for fights but getting overwhelmed at every turn is NOT my idea of enjoyment, especially since those OP servers are getting more rewards for less effort.

Really the devs should take a stance and face this problem before the competition comes out or they will lose many players who feel they have been ignored and spitted on with this lack of empathy.

To all those players who feel playing a game when you have NO chance of winning is fun, don’t demean those vocal enough to say something is wrong with the game mode. Games are meant to be competitive where each match should not be determined before-hand and that would be the fun factor that most of us are looking for.

Yes but you say that like BG has always been the dominating server. I was merely giving a example of a server in a similar situation making the best of it. The fact that I’m on BG doesn’t change my opinion of the many guilds and players on TC/SoS/Mag that have no chance at winning as long as there is a tier 1 server in the match. We have had some awesome fights from all those servers and in some situations they out numbered us. (Yes not all Tier 1 guilds run 60+ zergs)

As for voicing his opinion, Its great that people do but it does nothing when it comes off as another complaint post that ends up getting trolled. If OP made a constructive analysis of the issues he sees within his tier/league it may have come across better.

You say there is so much wrong with the game mode when in fact the game mode is fine. Problem is population imbalances, with even populations the matches tend to be quite close and very competitive. So the real current problem is leagues (and the random matches prior to leagues). Please don’t try to be condescending because I’m on a server that has put in time and effort into recruiting and building a strong WvW community. If you think we (SoR/JQ/BG) want these matches, you are mistaken.

All that aside, I think it is near impossible to balance all the tiers. I would love nothing more than to have 6 “tier 1” servers for season 2. Unless anet makes some major changes that will never happen. So for us, hopefully, they put the ranking back to the original form and allow for the ladder to place like servers together. All these complaints are due to the random match up system and now leagues.

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

johnnymiller.5968:

Zikory.6871:

johnnymiller.5968:

dagneyandleo.6378:

That rock also comes in handy for other purposes. Like say, for instance, you want to hold an impromptu dance party in kodan tonics with dolyak backup singers. That rock is the ideal spot for such shenanigans.

(Serious Note: There are two other exits from spawn. No one gets spawned unless those are camped too. Most of the time people allow themselves to get camped b/c the only enemies they can find are the ones camping them. After all, a fight where you’re at a disadvantage is better than no fight at all.)

Yeah, I can see how six vs 50+ is better than no fight at all lol

If they are camping your spawn with 50+ people, they don’t want you on that map to upgrade. Either leave the map or be smart and go out a different exit and disrupt supply.

Or you know, the most common of choices, come to the forums and complain. Like its going to change anything.

Every body has a right to express opinions on the forums whether agreed with or not. It’s pathetically bad gamesmanship in any game this one being no different. Most of know there are other ways around the map but this is not the point.

I don’t think I disputed that…

So its not the point? What so we are suppose to sit in random places in the map and wait for you to do stuff to respond to? Or maybe were being proactive and protecting a area.

Sorry but more likely were looking at this in two different ways. Neither being wrong, just different. We are “spawn camping” to keep people off the map so our supply can move freely and things can get upgraded. While you are mad because you can go do what ever you want. We are working to clinch the win while you can’t win so you’re making the best of it.

You can say its pathetic or poor gamesmanship but it doesn’t matter, you play this game the way you want and others will do the same. If they want to spend there time in front of your spawn, that is there prerogative. Form up and over take them or go out a different exit.

And lastly, why would the go any where else on the map when they know where you are?

johnnymiller.5968:

dagneyandleo.6378:

That rock also comes in handy for other purposes. Like say, for instance, you want to hold an impromptu dance party in kodan tonics with dolyak backup singers. That rock is the ideal spot for such shenanigans.

(Serious Note: There are two other exits from spawn. No one gets spawned unless those are camped too. Most of the time people allow themselves to get camped b/c the only enemies they can find are the ones camping them. After all, a fight where you’re at a disadvantage is better than no fight at all.)

Yeah, I can see how six vs 50+ is better than no fight at all lol

If they are camping your spawn with 50+ people, they don’t want you on that map to upgrade. Either leave the map or be smart and go out a different exit and disrupt supply.

Or you know, the most common of choices, come to the forums and complain. Like its going to change anything.

You’re over thinking it. That tower is a non factor. It comes down to them being able to push you back into spawn. That tower won’t win the match.

As for the rock, I stand there when we full cap a map. Its a good place to see who’s coming from spawn, as a scout for the map if you were to zone in a force and b-line to the tower we will know. Its more of a deterrent then camping.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Zikory,

Thanks for your query. The SOR WvWers were informed about the formation of the Committee but as Yaro has indicated we had to issue a press release to the communities at large as the formation of the Committee is a important step in the evolution of SOR WvW community.

FW

Zikory.6871:

Hi Fannwong,

May I ask what are the reasons for posting this here on the official forums when you have your server forums that may be more fitted for this type of discussion. Why is it necessary that this is public out side of SoR?

Thanks for the response Fannwong,

Why do you feel the press release was necessary? I would assume its to change SoR for the better and move in a new direction. What events took place to prompt SoR to go in this direction and why now?

Hi Fannwong,

May I ask what are the reasons for posting this here on the official forums when you have your server forums that may be more fitted for this type of discussion. Why is it necessary that this is public out side of SoR?

Ayrilana.1396:

This “X server bought Y guild from Z server” nonsense is getting annoying. Unless you can substantiate your accusation with actual evidence them you’ve got nothing and are just trolling.

All three of the top servers have had large influxes of players in the past few months. I’m sure if you’ll look back in previous threads, you’ll see posts of each server having gotten influx of players. I even remember seeing SoR getting the same despite them being the most vocal on the forums recently trashing BG.

My advice is for everyone to step back and take a deep breath.

While you’re at it can you add a few presets, I’m tired of retraiting when I want to run a different build. Also add a gear outfitter preset so I don’t have to click them all, plus if you can make it so the gear is held in the outfitter so it doesn’t take spots in my bags.

Thanks

KeeZee.7312:

HolyMolla.6582:

What guilds did BG bought?
Can i get their names?
All the time I heard BG bought guilds
but nobody can’t give their names.

“JaredKincade.9761:

All the posts about “buying” guilds has got me thinking.

Before I start let me clarify something that people like to forget. I can’t speak for all servers, but I know enough about what’s going on BG to know that BG has never ever given more than the cost of a guild to move. "

I will let you find the post this is in and read the rest of it. Basically its trying to be a clever post saying when BG does it its not buying guilds its supporting them but when others do it its buying them.

Hi KeeZee!!! Thats not completely true, JaredKincade didn’t claim that others were buying guilds. He was trying to draw a line between what constitutes “buying” a guild. There is no difference between servers in that regard, supporting a guild with transfer costs or flat out “buying” a guild would still be defined the same regardless. The real question is at what point is it not ok or looked down upon? Confirmed in the match thread both SoR and BG have helped with transfer costs and neither have flat out “bought” a guild. I’m leaving JQ out of this as they have been very quite on this subject and there is no reason to spread more misinformation.

EDIT: I used the word confirmed since any information proving other wise is not available or public. What happens behind the scenes may or may not become public so we can’t make legitimate accusation’s with out undeniable proof.

For Demolition Expert the achievement is find as is. Maybe reduce the amount of damage to get credit but even now I don’t see it as a issue. As I am a Necro that very rarely touches siege since I’ll probably better used doing something else, I’m currently 28/30 with 4 weeks to go…

KeeZee.7312:

Only someone in denial would look at all those wins and try to say they mean nothing.

I guess if everyone in BG transferred over the week before Leagues started you would be correct. Is that what you are trying to say? BG imploded in 1 week and got 100% new WvW players.

How many times has BG beat SoR since leagues started……ya…so different from the previous matches.

Denial isn’t quite the right word for it, You pointing to things that Blackgate players can’t answer with out sounding kitteny. As someone that fought SoR in all those matches, SoR has never looked like they do now, not by a long shot. Maybe you’re right and the “we play for fights” was just a excuse to cover losses but I would like to think other wise based off the many fights I’v had with them.

Even with that record you are continually posting, SoR was never considered a “easy match” because we know better. Even IF we were guaranteed to win base off past data, I’m not going to sit here a brush off SoR as if they had no chance. That said, we will still treat next week as a new week and come ready, we may have confidence from these past matches but will not be complacent due to past data that no precedence on how SoR can perform next week.

DevonCarver.5370:

If there is a tie, each server will be awarded the rewards for that place. e.g. if NSP and IoJ tie for 8th each will receive 8th place rewards.

Devon, since you used 8th place as a example, would this be the same for all placements? If say 2 server tied for 1st, would they both receive the 1st place rewards?

Side note! To any JQ that might read this. Can we buy each other?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Tie-Breaker/first#post3169094

KeeZee.7312:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Funny how the only counter BG can come up with is the only part of their match history that is relevant is that time where SoR beat them once. Lets ignore everything else.

I find it funny that you bring up SoR only fights for ppt and you believe this when there is many posts of BG telling them its an excuse.

“SoR only fights for ppt” That’s not what I said, I’ll assume its a typo instead of insulting your reading skills. Your right about it being a excuse but in SoRs defense, they seemed to do a lot better when they had that mind set, The recent push for playing PPT seemed to do more harm then doing what they are good at. I sure you probably see a lot of whats posted here as straight laced fact but you need to understand that its about perspective. Blackgate plays PPT (for the most part) so anything discrediting that would be seen as a excuse (see “playing for fights”). On the other side, Blackgate running from a fight to maintain PPT would be considered a excuse.

As for match history, how many weeks was this 13 of 14 matches over? Assuming a minimum of 3.5 months? (I know I can math good) Do you know how many guilds have moved around since then? How many times the meta has changed? Are you looking at anything other than “lawl bro scores” You say only as if we only have 1 counter yet all you’re doing is repeating 13 of 14…

Here I’ll help you out so you don’t have to waste time posting….

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

Got your next 3 covered

The 13/14 is taken from a 58 week history. And despite all these so called moves and changes BG still ended up with a commanding win vs losses over SoR.

So the activity of the last 14 months dictated what was going to happen in seasons? If so why didn’t Anet just give out rewards rather than put us through this?