The stronger we get, the more united we are. You guys hate it and we feed off your hate. Thank you!
Sent to die in Linksville.
To offset, please post hours of whine footage from your TS about the 2v1.
The whine from our TS still doesn’t compete with the whine that BG still gets from things that happened BEFORE S1. This Whine from our enemies still goes on today and it fuels things like the 2v1.
Yeah but the ratio is like 1:3 for Enemy Whine vs BG 2v1 Whine….Seriously one day almost every other post on the front page was about 2v1’s coming from a BGer.
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To offset, please post hours of whine footage from your TS about the 2v1.
God BG people make me sad….
To the OP, people will not level out the populations, over time as this game dwindles, people will continue to xfer (UP NOT DOWN), and that will be about as close as we get.
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There really is no reason to have 24 NA servers…That was needed at launch, this game has a declining population that is probably about to level off, and that level is not enough people to populate 24 servers….
GL getting rewards people, many of us are still waiting on S1 rewards……
Yes still waiting on S1 rewards, GL with you S2 people….
Let’s be honest here, there are very few things that can be done with the current “ppt-based” system that would make a “true” competitive tournament.
But with that said, I believe a system like this would be the best possible approach if the ppt metric is not ever going to be adjusted to account for population variances.
TBH I have friends spread out over 10-12 servers probably by this point…I would be good with Alliance Battles, provided the “megaserver” grouping was consistently getting me with the people I want to play with.
The vast majority of people/guilds that xfer do it with gold, which is earned in-game. It is a misnomer that “everyone” that xfers is using gems, thus making ANET money….
Stop trying to find a reason on why people are leaving crappy servers, in crappy situations….The fact of the matter is that this is a game, there is no loyalty (nor should there be; again just a game), and people are going to do in large part whatever they please.
So, apart from the fact that I can hardly understand why a 6th place in GOLD league is worth less that 1st-5th in SILVER (compare that with sports?), isn’t it worth questioning why the US Gold league 6th gets the same reward as the EU 6th – a league which has 3 further spots? This reward system is so really not that convincing, nor is the ranking system: After 9 weeks 2×3 Servers have exactly the same amount of points. Great way of measuring success and differentiating between the servers! GJ!
git rekt.
For the last year, or more, players have been steadily xferring up in tiers to find “better wvw”. (Better roaming, fights, ppt, whatever “better” may be). What you are left with (the lower you go in tiers) is:
-(10-15%)A handful of people that are diehard/tryhard for their server
-(60%) PVX’ers that probably lean a bit more to PVE, and only fairweather the matchups where the k-trains are bountiful, otherwise they go EoTM.
-(the rest) People that care nothing about EoTM, but choose to stay on lower tier servers to run around finding very small fights and spend the rest of their time in EoTM if they wanna zerg.
In short, if you server is bad, most of your fairweathers will spend the week in PVE and/or EoTM.
tonight not 10 min ago, guild mate rety al jijo made an incredible shot that saved us from an attack at north hills. With a treb at the lord room of hills he shot and made it in the oil hole, hitting the door and killing a ram. he did this not once but 4 times, thwarting what would have been an unstoppable BP attack to get there hills back. screen shot for proof that the oil hole is big enough for the shot to fit and that it was done.
and pls post your epic treb shots
With that resolution he could be shooting a waffle through a basketball hoop and we couldn’t tell the difference….
He was probably only mistaken about the “auto attack” comment (also possible the burn was stacked/stacking), the duration’s are easily achieved.
I don’t know but i heard that some engineers are running Runes of Balthazar for some crazy burn… I’m no expert tho.
He said no duration investment we don’t know what his “test” was so hard to say.
Balthazar is over investment in WvW with 30 explosives and food you can hit 125% burn duration which is only useful against melandru and lemongrass warriors and wasted on eveyone else.
He said no condi duration food, obviously he had to have some duration boost elsewhere (runes/traits/sigils/etc).
A large motivation for many for the 2v1 was to try and get BG to come to the realization that seasons are bad. All the other servers realized it last season and it was kind of just a pill that had to be force fed to BG. Last night on JQ there were numerous people expressing distaste for the 2v1, but that they also felt it was a necessary evil for the long term good of T1. So lets hope that cause is advanced further and nobody feels they have to resort to this style of play again.
If that is the case then JQ should let TC win….I mean if it really does not matter…So far we have heard a ton of reasons why the 2v1 occurred, but at the end of the day JQ will win S2 and you expect us to believe that you could care less???
At least BG won and we all knew they were ppt’ers that wanted to win, for the sake of well…“winning”….Sorry JQ, you can’t manipulate things to your favor and then expect everyone to believe you are the hero of the story….Take the win and move on, but do not expect people to flock to you for slaying the “mighty BG”….No one on any other tier cared if BG won, and you guys claim apparently that you did not either (“seasons are bad”), so the real reason for the 2v1 was to win S2 for JQ, and TC just bought a #2 finish from you along the way for their help.
JQ has done the #1 thing. We’re past that. We don’t want to deal with the constant need to siphon the health out of lower tiers to maintain our king of the mountain status. We’ll come out and play next week, we may win (don’t underestimate TC) or we may lose. Either way most of JQ will be satisfied with the result.
We shall see…PPT-tryhards are on every server, just because you personally do not feel that way really does not mean too much in the grand scheme. Even your 100 or so people in TS do not always dictate what the fairweathering masses want.
A large motivation for many for the 2v1 was to try and get BG to come to the realization that seasons are bad. All the other servers realized it last season and it was kind of just a pill that had to be force fed to BG. Last night on JQ there were numerous people expressing distaste for the 2v1, but that they also felt it was a necessary evil for the long term good of T1. So lets hope that cause is advanced further and nobody feels they have to resort to this style of play again.
If that is the case then JQ should let TC win….I mean if it really does not matter…So far we have heard a ton of reasons why the 2v1 occurred, but at the end of the day JQ will win S2 and you expect us to believe that you could care less???
At least BG won and we all knew they were ppt’ers that wanted to win, for the sake of well…“winning”….Sorry JQ, you can’t manipulate things to your favor and then expect everyone to believe you are the hero of the story….Take the win and move on, but do not expect people to flock to you for slaying the “mighty BG”….No one on any other tier cared if BG won, and you guys claim apparently that you did not either (“seasons are bad”), so the real reason for the 2v1 was to win S2 for JQ, and TC just bought a #2 finish from you along the way for their help.
I watched a single Burn condition applied by an Engineer via auto-attack deal 7000 damage to me, without +40% condition duration.
I’m pretty sure that to get that sort of burn duration and damage without any might stacking or condition duration food you’d need to have a 6/6/0/0/0 build (6 in explosions for 30% duration, 6 in firearms for napalm specialist) which is as glassy as it can be on an engie, not a bunker at all, not a single defensive trait.
suddenly a guardian shows up and pops his virtue of justice and the poor engie can’t even see his own burns tick.
Rocket kick alone is 11.25sec burn worth 7359 dmg. With Givers weaps, instead of condi dura food. 2700ish armor.
Rocket kick 10.25sec burn worth 7148 dmg. With rabid weapons, picking up some toughness now coming in at 2849 armor. (IE: plenty tanky enough)
He was probably only mistaken about the “auto attack” comment (also possible the burn was stacked/stacking), the duration’s are easily achieved.
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Sorry HoD was not in Bronze. Going to have to answer the bold question with a “it would never happen”.
Names of servers do not really matter, the point was and still is, that the scoring system applied in S2 would have been better served with more servers in the pool.
Just before S1 ANET changed the league format (#s for Gold/Silver/Bronze)…Prior to S2 they changed the scoring format and forgot about evaluating how it affects leagues regarding the previous change.
Perhaps the best way would have been eliminating Gold/Silver/Bronze and just made the tourny 9 weeks of swiss style scoring through all servers.
Except then you have Bronze league going up against JQ and TC. There’s no way the bronze servers would even get close to winning, not because theyre less skilled, but because coverage
Perhaps the best way would have been eliminating Gold/Silver/Bronze and just made the tourny 9 weeks of swiss style scoring through all servers.
I think a shortened season with win move up lose move down would suffice. This way T6 servers aren’t facing T1 servers and while it have some ambiguity in the results they would be pretty minor by comparison to the current system.
Do you understand how this system works?? How in God’s name would Bronze be facing Gold? It is (more or less) winner move up, loser move down….So you are assuming the mighty Bronze servers full of tumble weeds and uplevels are going to move through Bronze, then Silver, then end up at Gold???
So what happens the first few weeks as its sorting itself out?
I really am shocked I have to explain this….
1-24, matchups are the same as they would normally be. (1-3, 4-6, 7-10, etc). Swiss system kicks in, servers like HoD (with their xfer pop) climb. Servers like SoR (with their evacuated pop) fall…Now instead of HoD being locked in the top of Silver for 6+ weeks, they are able to move into T2. And likewise other servers are able to fall/move up and the matches would likely begin to level around week 2-4ish. But instead of having the same matches every other week, now at least you have the hope of SOME variation along the way. (IE: another server dropping/climbing into the off-week match).
No. Anet hit the engineer class with nerf bats over and over again, killing the power crit dps builds ( cos apparently doing a 15k crit was too much for engineers while 27k+ crits for warriors was not enough lol) and also removing condi dmg from all turrets except one ( how dare that engineer counter that 10k hp glass canon build thiefs broken imba invis spam ). If they nerf condi builds even more then wtf do i play? Healing power lol?
Might want to google how Hundred Blades works.
Yeah and I have still seen some pretty nice crits on BoB lately too….
Oh look you mean in terms of PPT…No one cares about PPT…LOL
Some people care about PPT and winning the tournament. Some players have burned themselves out playing in the tournament. We aren’t all the same and there are other ways to enjoy (or not) GW2.
Only new players and a couple of servers in T1…Anyone that has played this game for even 1year should understand by now that PPT is influenced by coverage along with so many ridiculous variables that it is pointless to play for it.
Anyone else is borderline delusional.
Condi gear need to be good at something. Condi spec mainly work against low skilled players.
I lol’d….
Fairweathers don’t compound problems (unless they are making queues, etc), they make more enemies for you to wipe.
Wha?
Fairweathers make already existing population issues even worse. They make the tougher matches worse by not showing up and leading to getting steamrolled. Then they make the easier matches worse by showing up so you are now doing the steamrolling, which is even worse than being steamrolled.
If they did the opposite it would be helping – show up for the tough matches and stay away for the easier matches.
And expecting players to do anything is not going to happen. Aside from what you mentioned – keep transferring up so that there are fewer and fewer servers. But even that doesn’t solve the issue – just look at SoS.
Oh look you mean in terms of PPT…No one cares about PPT…LOL
No I mean in terms of the fights. Are you saying you like to steamroll your opponents and end up playing PvD?
Sounds like you need to find a better server, cause all the “matchup” talk does not really matter if you have a core group that shows up to fight every week.
Also if your opponents get steamrolled, L2Roam?
Just before S1 ANET changed the league format (#s for Gold/Silver/Bronze)…Prior to S2 they changed the scoring format and forgot about evaluating how it affects leagues regarding the previous change.
Perhaps the best way would have been eliminating Gold/Silver/Bronze and just made the tourny 9 weeks of swiss style scoring through all servers.
Except then you have Bronze league going up against JQ and TC. There’s no way the bronze servers would even get close to winning, not because theyre less skilled, but because coverage
Perhaps the best way would have been eliminating Gold/Silver/Bronze and just made the tourny 9 weeks of swiss style scoring through all servers.
I think a shortened season with win move up lose move down would suffice. This way T6 servers aren’t facing T1 servers and while it have some ambiguity in the results they would be pretty minor by comparison to the current system.
Do you understand how this system works?? How in God’s name would Bronze be facing Gold? It is (more or less) winner move up, loser move down….So you are assuming the mighty Bronze servers full of tumble weeds and uplevels are going to move through Bronze, then Silver, then end up at Gold???
I am pretty sure S2 was over around week 3-4, except for a few hundred impervious tryhards on every server…The long and short of it is that WvW has been back to normal on pretty much all tiers for at least 3-4 weeks…ANET apparently takes leagues about as serious as 80% of the player-base, which is not very serious at all.
Condi meta needs to be pushed to the ridiculous max. The reason being is that when 3/4 posts on these forums are condi-QQ, then maybe anet will balance it a bit. As it stands right now, condis do not affect PVE, and since PVE balances WvW: no condi changes imminent.
They toned down power damage a bit with the Ferocity nerf/change, but even with big DPS builds you usually had to sacrifice some sustain. With condi bunker builds you can pretty much get all the condi/vit/tough you want and still do crazy dmg.
Burst power builds, the ones that were immediately putting the condi users on their toes, were one of the only things keeping Perplex and torment in check for so long to begin with.
Fairweathers don’t compound problems (unless they are making queues, etc), they make more enemies for you to wipe.
Wha?
Fairweathers make already existing population issues even worse. They make the tougher matches worse by not showing up and leading to getting steamrolled. Then they make the easier matches worse by showing up so you are now doing the steamrolling, which is even worse than being steamrolled.
If they did the opposite it would be helping – show up for the tough matches and stay away for the easier matches.
And expecting players to do anything is not going to happen. Aside from what you mentioned – keep transferring up so that there are fewer and fewer servers. But even that doesn’t solve the issue – just look at SoS.
Oh look you mean in terms of PPT…No one cares about PPT…LOL
Just before S1 ANET changed the league format (#s for Gold/Silver/Bronze)…Prior to S2 they changed the scoring format and forgot about evaluating how it affects leagues regarding the previous change.
Perhaps the best way would have been eliminating Gold/Silver/Bronze and just made the tourny 9 weeks of swiss style scoring through all servers.
I feel like some of you have not been here the past 2 years, they are well aware of the issues…Sure we can keep throwing them at them, but the onus at this point has shifted to the players. Unfair, I agree, but you are kidding yourself if you think ANET has the desire or ability to truly fix any of the inherit issues WvW has always had.
The trend you will see moving forward, is more and more people xferring up in tiers to “find fights”, just as they have been doing for the last year.
Fairweathers don’t compound problems (unless they are making queues, etc), they make more enemies for you to wipe.
In T1 I heard they just assign it to the “1” key, that way they do not have to worry about interrupting “skill”.
JK, seriously I assigned mine to an empty mouse button as well.
What just happened to BG Garrison?
Welp we were defending her against a huge JQ force. (Picture 1) Things were looking pretty grey but we were holding on. Until TC arrived and decided to body block the door and the outer access points for our reinforcements to arrive. (Picture 2) We couldn’t fight 2 against one and evidently lost it. TC and JQ happily jumped and cheered in joy over their “triumph”. (Picture 3) And that about wraps up a 40 minute + battle!
Two awful servers showing their awfulness IMO, BG may be no saint, but this is just dumb. Enjoy T1…
@duke they are talking season 1 here
Yes season 1…Sad as it seems, people are still waiting on their reward for the achievement.
They explained in another post that you can’t buy tomes of knowledge in wvw (and pve for this matter) because while you play an uplevel, you are gaining exp. When you play an uplevel in pvp, you do not gain exp.
It was also countered I believe, that in pvp you do not need exp, as you are already a fully geared lvl 80….
-You know/knew what WvW (an imbalanced mess, in regards to ppt as it related to coverage issues)
-You knew the season was going to be 9 weeks long.
-You knew the new matchup system would produce less variation in week-to-week matchups….Now I am no ANET apologist by any stretch, but c’mon people, use your brain…
So we should shut up and not say anything? Players left because of S1 more players will leave because of S2 (including myself), we need to make sure they get appropriate feedback.
No you need to realize that Seasons are the only trick pony Anet has for WvW, and as such will more than likely continue in their mediocrity in the future.
Instead of ramming your head into a gate in the chase of glorious PPT, you could realize that WvW is a sandbox and it is whatever you make of it. If more people did this instead of drinking the koolaid and pvgating their way to a “win”, then this game would actually have more variety and more retention.
Everyone has the chance to get “burned out”, but it is the PPT-tryhards that usually get it the worst. The people that run around looking for fights, or just to have fun in general seem to be more immune to it.
Bumped again, as the 2nd season is drawing to a close.
The point I was trying to make is that the way and amount one player enjoys a game isn’t the same for everyone. Some players do not enjoy getting run over by more powerful servers week after week after week after week. Some players do not enjoy beating up enemies in a 10v1 scenario virtually every fight. Some players do compete for score some don’t. Ultimately a players threshold for boredom, enjoyment, etc is personal. Telling someone they should do XYZ and they will enjoy the game more is naive.
Some players are going to get burned out no matter what ANet does but IMO more of them will do so in league play than not.
ANET even admitted they intended this game to be imbalanced, and people are still crying for balance that may never come, or never come in a form that is workable.
So like I said before (sarcastically):
You are right, it is the people who understand that much of WvW is meaningless and find fun in it still everyday that are missing critical thinking and logic….
That’s just an excuse Anet uses for lack of effort/ability to balance it. Moreover, to have a “tournament” and also admit that the whole thing is unbalanced is pretty hypocritical.
Oh I absolutely agree….The problem is, the only thing worse is the player base that continues to “know what they are getting into” and still be surprised when it “is what it is”.
-You know/knew what WvW (an imbalanced mess, in regards to ppt as it related to coverage issues)
-You knew the season was going to be 9 weeks long.
-You knew the new matchup system would produce less variation in week-to-week matchups….
Now I am no ANET apologist by any stretch, but c’mon people, use your brain…
The point I was trying to make is that the way and amount one player enjoys a game isn’t the same for everyone. Some players do not enjoy getting run over by more powerful servers week after week after week after week. Some players do not enjoy beating up enemies in a 10v1 scenario virtually every fight. Some players do compete for score some don’t. Ultimately a players threshold for boredom, enjoyment, etc is personal. Telling someone they should do XYZ and they will enjoy the game more is naive.
Some players are going to get burned out no matter what ANet does but IMO more of them will do so in league play than not.
ANET even admitted they intended this game to be imbalanced, and people are still crying for balance that may never come, or never come in a form that is workable.
So like I said before (sarcastically):
You are right, it is the people who understand that much of WvW is meaningless and find fun in it still everyday that are missing critical thinking and logic….
Just to conclude I’d like to ask you and all the others that claim “cheesy” all the time….Do you mind leaving an extensive inclusive list of all the classes, races, gear, traits, weapons, and food we’re (Yarr) not allowed to use even though the dev’s created it and everyone that has bought the game has the same access to it….? I really need it because I’m tired of dealing with everyone who cries over a simple death. I die 1v5 all the time and just run right back into it, thats how most Yarr get better. Fight your 1v1 an 2v1 vs skilless players and zerg, you’ll never get better….
Cheers
I am gonna call you Cheddar.
it is unfair for you to characterize abandoning the problem now as “just chalking it up as a loss” and walking away.
-ken
That was essentially your suggestion not mine….Mine is to file tickets and remind them of the fact that a company should “do what they say they are going to do”. Otherwise they can find some other form of compensation, etc. IE: make the situation right, but do not stick your head in the sand and think that your playerbase is gonna all be like ’ol Ken here and say: “meh whatever, maybe I will get a reward like EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE GAME, next time….”
Like I said, adjust the ppt-tick to account for (in real-time) the population imbalances…JQ faces YB, JQ has all maps queued on reset, YB has 2-3…JQ gets handicapped on PPT, IMO that is the best way to get rid of these 100-200k blowouts.
JQ should still win on coverage alone, but at least the YB’s or whoever else would have a fighting chance.
People with a half a brain that aren’t getting burned out or don’t understand why other would are likely missing the half that has critical thinking and logic skills.
You are right, it is the people who understand that much of WvW is meaningless and find fun in it still everyday that are missing critical thinking and logic….
Nope, it is the ones that think the “score” matters, that let it dictate on whether they play or not. But the ones that are worse than that, are the ones that come on forums and QQ about how “no one plays on my server when we are getting blown out”.
Like I said, if a person could think critically, they likely realized WvW is more about the game within the “game” (IE: everything other than PPT/PVgate/Ktrains), rather than “who is winning”.
Still looking for more elite roamers! At the request of some of our members we will forgo the entrance exam provided you can explain to us how elite you are in this thread. Please use examples:
-Can you kill uplevels in a 3v1?
-How many people have you killed with Perplexity Runes?
-How good are you on thief? (obviously the hardest class to master in game)
-Can you Mesmer? If so, can you Dire/PU?
-How good is your Hambow Warrior?
Loose this necro is for you.
They just need to adjust the PPT tick to account for population differences…It is pretty simple, therefore it won’t happen. But regardless, having another season with the same scoring metric is beyond insane. (IE: doing the same thing over and expecting different results).
Yarr – “Not Sailor’s But Pirates”, one of the original FC guilds is recruiting elite roamers to join our core of already elite peoples
We like to roam around and kill baddies, then go to the forums and explain how bad those baddies were. If this sounds like you, then you are probably already on FC. If so hit us up, there will be an entrance exam into the guild.
It goes as follows:
An honored member will tell you how good they are, then you have to tell them how good you are. Whichever one of you does so while sounding like the biggest hypocrite, gets to be in our guild! It is that simple.
Any requests or tickets refer you back to this thread, after they review it.
I mean hell, there is nothing different about the tournament than there is any other week of wvw, no point in “burning out”. I play the same in the tournament that I do the other 30-something weeks of the year (accounting for 2 seasons), it is all the stackers/ppt-tryhards/etc that usually get burnt out.
Until people realize that playing to “win on the scoreboard” is not really “winning” anything, than this type of issue will continue.
There is a big difference for some servers as they are now trapped in tiers they don’t belong. This effects that server and all servers facing it. Leagues unfairly locks servers in for far too long. Happened in season 1 and now in season 2.
HoD is ready to move up, FA/YB/SBI is ready for them to move up. SoR is ready to move down and everyone in that tier will welcome a stronger challenger. I am sure Mags/DB is looking for a non T1 server to fight. I don’t know what is going on over in EU but I bet it is similar in several tiers.
Who cares who you face??? Sure its nice to fight some different groups, but not much worse to fight the same servers. I agree being locked in this swiss system is not ideal, but it is not burning anyone out with half a brain.