Guild Wars 2

Junkhaus.4301:

ReinventTheExit.6587:

Why do people always come onto these kinds of posts and say stuff like this.
“Oh, we are not even trying”
“Ooh, we’re burnt out from the 7 week season grind.”

That is complete nonsense. AR is beating SF and Kpop at EVERY single turn. We are taking lead because our WvWvW game has skyrocketed. Yup, we are taking advantage of coverage gaps…but that’s not the entirely we’re wining. Hell it’s prime time for everybody right now and we’re still leading. Hmm. Crazy.

What I’m seeing right now from SF is not the same we fought weeks earlier during the season. The previous SF had the 2nd most participation levels I’ve seen in WvW this season, right now it’s quite tame by comparison. I’m not one to kick a server while they’re down. SF deserves a relaxing break from WvW stress and just play for fun, they’ve accomplished a lot during the season. IMO you were the server in bronze that was closest to competing with HoD during your season prime.

You should have some respect from me, at least after all that hate for your server I’ve been reading on last week. Not that I like your SF forum warriors when you are winning and spamming the recruitment posts on the matchup thread, but AR right now… loll. Omg guuyeez, bronze league offseason is teh hardcore real deal! All hail AR! Their genius wvw strategies and grass roots community building is a beacon of hope for all bronze leaguers! Enlighten us in your ways so we may learn to be champions of bronze league offseason.

(Awaiting for AR response)

Well said sir, and in regards to the recruitment posts in matchup threads most people will tell you on SF that they were (either):

1. A complete and utter joke, as in someone trying to be funny, like “hey come join our server for Blackgate T1 Tactics”, which is an inside joke.
2. A misplaced rant by some children, which every server has, that haven’t yet figured out that skill/tactics<numbers/coverage.

Please do not judge SF by the “come here we will teach you wvw”, because to be honest as someone who has played here for a very long time now, people on SF have a lot to learn about WvW. (Beyond maximizing PPT).

Avatar of Belle.9623:

bob.8632:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I mostly don’t rez downed people unless they’re from my guild. Here’s my experience with rezzing strangers.

Option 1: I am downed while rezzing – Downed person either runs away or gets downed again immediately
Option 2: I rez them and run away with low health only to be picked off
Option 3: I rez them and get left behind.

I don’t particularly care of someone follows our group. They’ll generally get lost at some point anyway.

Slow necros are slow?

Slower than molasses. I’ve been playing warrior lately and it’s like a breath of fresh air to have all that mobility at your finger tips.

Guild Warrior 2.

Delvoire.8930:

And the Elitist mentality continues to grow… awwwwwwwwwll

God forbid you play an MMO to play with the community and not a small group of only guild members… God forbid you’d want help from the WvW community instead of alienating them so you can be UBER POWERFUL and UBER ELITE while you DESTROY ALL GUILDS YOU OPPOSE!!!……………

Get out of here with this nonsense and all of you who are in favor of it.

God forbid people dont want to zerg up and faceroll their keyboards whilst gazing at a meaningless scoreboard….You see that argument goes both ways sir….

This is a sandbox game and people are free to play the way that pleases them. While I agree they dont have to be kittens about it, trying to belittle their playstyle in favor of yours is only making you seem the less for it.

I think the key thing people need to remember/realize is that most of us are talking about conditions in regards to roaming/small group (5 or less) play.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I mostly don’t rez downed people unless they’re from my guild. Here’s my experience with rezzing strangers.

Option 1: I am downed while rezzing – Downed person either runs away or gets downed again immediately
Option 2: I rez them and run away with low health only to be picked off
Option 3: I rez them and get left behind.

I don’t particularly care of someone follows our group. They’ll generally get lost at some point anyway.

Slow necros are slow?

Johje Holan.4607:

This is why they need to get rid of “rally” in WvW. It goes against Anet’s own design philosophy. It causes players to not want others around.

I agree the rally in its own right is a crappy PVE element that found its way into PvP/WvW….Also like the quote above said, it only encourages bad behavior on the part of people trying to competitively WvW when there is a level 3 downed person following them.

It is not fair to the low level/inexperienced players that are being berated, and it is not fair to the guild group trying to run without being rallybotted all over the place.

They could leave downed state in the game and remove rallying, you could rez people still but at least you wouldn’t have to worry about people (that don’t intend to hurt you) on your own server by being bad…hurting you.

Madora.9340:

After fighting just about every server it seems in Bronze tier, everyone goes after SF. I think they just want to test our mettle and I’m not entirely sure why.

SF just generates the most hate of all the bronze tiers, everybody likes to beat the “bad guy”.

Anybody who is saying “your class has condition cleanses” is doing so from a point of ignorance, plain and simple.

Sure there are some classes when traited right, and with the right gear (Guardians/PoV/with Soldier runes for example), well they can keep conditions at bay pretty well. But the issue with conditions really is that there are many classes that can take every possible cleanse they have and still burn through them and have the conditions simply reapplied at will.

I agree that as a player you have to understand when to use a cleanse (IE: when to tank certain conditions), but even then you are still talking about a cleanse that removes 1-3 conditions, every 20 seconds. Versus skills that are applying conditions at much shorter CDs.

I also laugh at the people saying “you’re just mad cause you cant trait full on DPS”, well actually full on glass is the best way to counter a condi-spec. Because if you don’t have enough DPS to put them on the defensive they will just spam you down eventually.

Killuminati.6945:

@bob

Agreed. Leagues definitely and obviously did the opposite for AR. We gradually got higher and higher morale until the league finale and everyone just blew up with excitement so now people are eager as hell to log on, jump into TS and jump into WvW which was quite the opposite a month or two ago. And as I noted earlier, there has been some pretty intense races with SF so far so hopefully scores dont discourage people too much. Being from AR we all know the “well looks like WvW is dieng…time to pve” thought process….BUT YOU MUST FIGHT THE URGE!!

That is an excellent point, AR obviously was building momentum and SF while we did fight hard undoubtedly we were on the “downswing” of our momentum. I am sure there are a handful or more of folks that have the “leagues are over, what point to play” mentality.

There is and always be a core group of people still here fighting, the wildcard for this week anyway, still remains on which server loses “who” (how many) when the PVE leach Patch comes through tomorrow.

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

I think the problem isn’t one of utility – people get the idea – but of trust. On our world for example, the ‘official’ TS server (which was nothing of the kind of course, but I digress) turned out to be run by a scammer who was using it to harvest personal details.

What server was this?

Killuminati.6945:

bob.8632:

Mugo.5723:

It is a running joke in TS about numbers we get in transfers. Really no one knows and we haven’t gotten that big wvw guild to “carry” our server. We are getting the refugees of wvw. A few people here and a few people there. Anyone that comes over to AR will understand our defensive priority. ET and DR were class acts when they lost to us and GoM thought we got huge numbers because…we beat ET and DR. Come on man! Bob you really think people transferred over by the truck load after beating those servers (no disrespect to ET and DR). Again refer back to our match ups and you can see steady improvement. We have never denied transfers, we just don’t know how many we have. Why can’t people admit that we stepped up our game? In that regard yes everything has changed. Our attitude, our coverage, our TS usage, our zerg busting, our defense, our offense, our reset nights etc…have all changed since we last fought SF. Just admit it…or maybe you can transfer over here and we can teach you guys how to play in wvw (lol I just kidding but sounds familiar right).

StaR gg on the Garrison cap last night. If we didn’t have SF inner garrison down to 15% maybe more people would of came back to stop you. After the garrison race we managed to cap OL. I thought maybe you guys would come for it but whatever. Cheers to the rest of the week!

I really wasn’t trying to take anything away from you guys, it is obvious you have done some work. It is a problem with every server, not just AR, people always want to act like: “What we don’t have any more people”…When it is obvious to everyone else that you do…Even more so fairweathers ruin the bronze tiers, make matches hard to get a handle on and one week blow a server up and the next cause it to almost fully crumble. Regarding transfers it was our understanding some of your old guilds have came back, rather than a boatload of transfers etc.

The only real applicable statement here is “old guilds have came back”. But lets be specific….One of our old guilds has come back. They pull around 10 max a night(yes oceanic). Transfers to our server account for MAYBE 10% of our success. The remaining 90% is due to cooperation between the people that were already here and the incorporation of TS. With the effort of a lot of the core WvWers we have developed a very large TS community and are able to train any newcomers to WvW efficiently while being able to coordinate our numbers actively in BLs so we dont wipe at any encounter of resistance. The majority of the claims are “you got oce xfers so we cant do anything when we are sleeping” however even during prime time AR held highest PPT for a majority of time even pushing SF below Kain at which point they gave up stacking AR and harassed Kain.

However I do agree AR does NOT need to start chest bumping…yet…but I certainly will not have all the work the core WvWers put into the success we have now downplayed by some discouraged players in denial.

Yeah I can see your point(s). Also very likely that is the case as well from what I have seen. The other factor to consider (at least into regards to SF) is that as a whole the server seems burnt out from leagues.

Reset night we didn’t queue anything until EB about 1-1.5hrs in…Not comparing that to AR/Kain just comparing to what we normally see (2 maps sometimes 3 queued).

Also not making excuses, if AR wins they win on their own accord. Just saying that SF seems to be sleep walking and along the way going through a slight rebuilding phase from within.

Still plenty of time this week to make a go of it, should be fun.

Mugo.5723:

It is a running joke in TS about numbers we get in transfers. Really no one knows and we haven’t gotten that big wvw guild to “carry” our server. We are getting the refugees of wvw. A few people here and a few people there. Anyone that comes over to AR will understand our defensive priority. ET and DR were class acts when they lost to us and GoM thought we got huge numbers because…we beat ET and DR. Come on man! Bob you really think people transferred over by the truck load after beating those servers (no disrespect to ET and DR). Again refer back to our match ups and you can see steady improvement. We have never denied transfers, we just don’t know how many we have. Why can’t people admit that we stepped up our game? In that regard yes everything has changed. Our attitude, our coverage, our TS usage, our zerg busting, our defense, our offense, our reset nights etc…have all changed since we last fought SF. Just admit it…or maybe you can transfer over here and we can teach you guys how to play in wvw (lol I just kidding but sounds familiar right).

StaR gg on the Garrison cap last night. If we didn’t have SF inner garrison down to 15% maybe more people would of came back to stop you. After the garrison race we managed to cap OL. I thought maybe you guys would come for it but whatever. Cheers to the rest of the week!

I really wasn’t trying to take anything away from you guys, it is obvious you have done some work. It is a problem with every server, not just AR, people always want to act like: “What we don’t have any more people”…When it is obvious to everyone else that you do…Even more so fairweathers ruin the bronze tiers, make matches hard to get a handle on and one week blow a server up and the next cause it to almost fully crumble. Regarding transfers it was our understanding some of your old guilds have came back, rather than a boatload of transfers etc.

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My favorite part about this thread is the people on AR acting like “nothings changed” and that they didn’t get some transfers etc. (Not only AR but every server always wants to act like it was “them” that turned it around not like they got help)

At the end of the day even 1-2, dedicated 10-20 man guilds can make a huge difference in this game (especially in these tiers). And it is not always because of their contributions, but rather because once your fairweathers get wind of “new people” they usually flock to WvW more. Which ofc gives you access to all of the people you had all along that wouldn’t help you out before.

Either way, AR is definitely booming and seems to have population fillers that are in a bad place for SF and Kain…Ticking 585 at 430a server.

There seems to be an issue with people who transferred from EU to NA getting chests.

Another server that fell and then still got transfers….Love this game, love the people that play it….

AR you had a lot to say about SF last week.

ET come flip SF keeps, they are letting it go for achieves hurry before reset

Gem cost doesn’t stop people from transferring. But it does make them think twice about doing it hastily.

Obviously not everyone on SF thinks one way (IE: zergball, huge zergs, etc), but my point was, is, and always will be that being unappealing (IE: trashing, discouraging, berating, belittling) small man guilds/groups/roamers will only:

A. Reduce your numbers, because whether you realize it or not you have a lot of them working behind the 60 man zergs.

B. Will make the people that would at least consider transferring (people transfer every day for 1800 gems) turned off because of this “our way or the highway mentality” that gets put out on these forums.

Again, I am just saying if you want people to come to SF the vibe should be: Come here, get along, no drama, play your way, help us out when in a map.

My point was and is, the “screw the small groups/roamers, basically anyone that doesn’t wanna ball up and play scoreboard/ppt” mentality is the reason why SF will not/does not get many transfers.

There are servers with Very High pops that even in bronze and silver get transfers. But on SF you have this mentality that gets published on these forums like: “our way or the highway”.

At the end of the day I only brought it up because you are more likely to get small guilds transfer down from higher tiers than you are to get 1 big oceanic guild. But when you say things like “we are getting rid of the solo people” it makes people think that all you do is zerg and to be on SF you have to zerg, etc.

Which is a bad way to entice people.

ptitminou.6489:

they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

Perception isn’t reality. SF has always zerged people, but each week there are actually more small role players (your: solo heroes).

You have to remember balling up in a tanky support build is much easier than stepping out in a small group and getting things done.

You need both to be successful, stop trying to model your server after Tier 1 and instead model it after the more successful Upper Bronze/Lower Silver servers and you might have something.

Trying to get everyone to run PVT/clerics/etc and spam 1 will only make them resent the playstyle. The main thing I personally think SF needs is to use the existing guilds more effectively. You have more players than HoD, but for whatever reason you aren’t getting them into WvW or if you are they aren’t being used (coordinated) effectively.

Xernth.8561:

Please redo the uplevel boosts for very low level toons.

Level 2 characters are running around with 3500+ armor and/or 3500+ power. Its ridiculous, please fix it.

Said no one ever this guy I mean.

Manoa.5897:

Careful, I hear if you say their name three times, they’ll appear again. Let’s not let that happen.

And when they show up theres 50% hammer wielding classes with no DPS?

I kid…I kid….

And everyone loves PAXA!

Jeknar.6184:

bob.8632:

Odies.8017:

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

MU transferred to DH?

No, they are here to get our thread locked again stalk SF.

Yeah the last time SF was matched with HoD the thread got locked due to the passive-aggressive shenanigans of a certain HoD guild who shall remain nameless as I do not want to risk getting report spamhammered.

Odies.8017:

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

MU transferred to DH?

Assassin X.8573:

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

Hello zergling!

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

capmasterflash.5690:

Wow

Such Embarrass

Much Troll

I guess I let a couple of kittens on the internet get to me again.

We call that getting “meowed” down here.

(Superior T8 tactics)

Righteous.4307:

I was talking about this weekend too. We went to SF BL and held your bay and hills most of the reset night. MU was pushing CoSa groups all night all over the map… Funny thing is you’re REAP and you’re here speaking on behalf of CoSa. We are calling out CoSa for a fight and they can respond if they want to.

I would love to GvG them. Please have them contact me or point them in the direction of this thread. We did try MvM last night but they declined at the time. Perhaps they have changed their mind. CoSa… Star… We would love to GvG you please contact me at your earliest convienence.

Most of all… King Amadaeus youre the one here talking kitten. Why is it that you’re not the one looking for the fight? Bring [REAP] and lets do this.

You obviously do not know King as you are getting trolled hard right now, and embarrassing yourselves…

Also CoSA was on HoD BL reset night….Also, Also, Pretty sure it was MU on here “talking kitten” with 100 screen shots, if you can’t take the trolling stay from under the bridge homie.

Wait….So Os tried to help the server tank (which was totally the right call for the long term/7weeks in many peoples opinion), and XOXO is furiously working on PPT????

Has the WORLD GONE CRAZY, or is this just backwards week????

Also personally now fully support NSP moving to silver, so once you get destroyed you can all bow down to the people that tried (both on and off your server) to warn you.

I really have to laugh at YB, and I will next week when you get it badly from your silver league brethren. I will be lurking in your 7 weeks of matchup threads and be aggressively forum warring down all of your QQing, since you are being so high and mighty here lol…

It is nothing personal, and I for one enjoy your spawn camping 24/7. But you have to have downs if you think that spawn camping PUGs for 24hrs a day is not going to create “bad blood” and “bad attitudes”.

I have watched people go out the other two exits, and your high mobility types (thieves/dd eles/warrs) just chase people across the map. I literally had 5 people chase me from Lowlands spawn all the way to ogre camp, back to anz, through dredge and back into lowlands.

So if you are too dense to understand why people are /dance, /laugh, etc….Then perhaps the next 7 weeks may shed some light on your query.

(Props to the core YB people that have stood out in this thread, /laugh at the rest of you fairweather glass-cannon baddies)

Frosch.7809:

What i see from SF and ET are thieves that stealth once they are about to go down. And abyssmal manners both ingame and in this thread. What respect i had for you is gone. Enough, you guys deserve getting spawn camped.

What a kitten.

quickflash.6314:

ptitminou.6489:

quickflash.6314:

ptitminou.6489:

superman.6785:

StaR? YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!! YOU GUYS DOMINATE AND ARE SO ELITE!!! You guys………oh wait……….you can’t even get out of your spawn??!?! Retract previous statements! lol This is what happens when you talk trash and touch our garrison……….NEVER TOUCH OUR GARRISION!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the bags guys!!!! RESPAWN MAYBE!?!?!? ;D

Are you mentally unstable with all that punctuation? All I see are people stacking, happy we made you mad, its our only objective this week. Also, 2:10 AM? Take screenshots at 10pm, during the only time we have people on. Most of the server was asleep by then.

No Signature

STAR Player?

Signatures are signs that the person feels compelled to justify his self worth. I have better things in my life going on than this game. Also, I play on SF atm, it is about the team, not the guilds. Won’t change the overbearing culture of self importance of this server if I start acting like those whom I view as the problem.

Ya like cry in every forum how life isnt fair and how you are awesome right?

Rofl

Crusader?

Go fix things Hero! and Complain, and kitten!

Baddies like you hurt servers. Because you guys actually think you know what you are doing. The reason we troll you is because it is so entertaining.

You are prob. that guy who rolls around every forum and is like. OMG spelling error, need to correct it.

Those who WIN do.

Those who are bad correct forums.

/sadness

/depression

I wonder if the SF command structure know how much problems you cause for them.

/depression

As a note we got someone to destroy there gw2 CD last week.

We are going for a monitor this week.

Who is going to do it.

We know you want to?

Also youtubing your aggression has been authorized for the rest of this week.

/wink

Hmmmm lets see that is enough random thoughts of foolishness /reply

I lol’d, lots of win there.

People, seriously stop whining about the spawn camping….It is borderline embarrassing…Does it suck? Absolutely. Does every server do it (to an extent) when in a lopsided match? Absolutely.

YB has a 50 man blob running around just ready to pounce, even if they let SF out of the spawn camp they will just wipe you when the pugs try to immediately rush the keep for some PVgate.

I watched commander after commander come into EB yesterday and attempt to get stuff done. Every time the spawn camp was broke the commander headed for a camp, and immediately lost 1/2-3/4 of the group to Keep PVgating. Like clockwork the YB zerg would show up and wipe the Keep PVgaters, re-establish the spawn camp and the cycle would just repeat. SF as a whole just needs to get better from the hrs of 10AMest – 6PM est. Once all the guilds start running in the evening and the PST people get on its fine.

It would be nice to have an even match, but it would be even nicer to have a stable population (looking at you people that think this is “a good week to PVE”) whose gonads have dropped and aren’t scared of owning a few people out there on the battlefield.

ptitminou.6489:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Hardly trolling I have been doing this every morning of this match up, I was posting in another thread about that had GoM in it and screwed up but the point stands. Today I am staying in ET’s borderland, lots of scrub thieves to wipe from both SF and YB. This is a pathetic match and the fights I have found roaming are even worse, its 90% thieves spamming heart seeker. Just had a fight against 2 thieves and a guardian from SF where both thieves just mashed 2, even with 2 blood stacks to my zero they all died because they are completely brainless.

Well keep it up, maybe eventually they’ll quit that roaming crap and want to learn to play WvW properly. I’ll be expecting them.

If by properly you mean that “throw two rams karma train, treb war, stare and obsess over PPT” nonsense, than no thank you sir or madam….

moutzaheadin.4029:

This probably wont go over well , but i will say it. For every Nsp person that pops into a map saying “you realize if you continue to get points , we will get put into silver” (not aimed at anyone in particular as it happened about 6 times today pvdooring Ar). YES I GET IT.

I realize fully the situation we are in. I am probably in the minority when i say this but. I want to play in silver league. As it stands now , the lower tiers have nothing to offer more then lots of pvdoor. Sure there are a strong server or 2 that will give fights. but the thought of running around in Ar on a Saturday morning with 3 people flipping the map saddens me.

So yes i will pvdoor and do whatever. I dont want to sink into the basement and fight nothing for 7 weeks.

You are probably saying, THEN XFER OFF kitten!!.. well i happen to like Nsp. I like fighting people. NOT PVE. So i will ride this storm into where ever it takes the server.

If we get stuck in the bronze league , ill try it out. if its what i think it will be. Then i will look into other options. Like xfer to a server in silver that is getting pounded.

I am speaking for just me. as i have no idea what my guild wants to do. I haven’t really mentioned it yet aside from a few people.

I am sorry to any and all who hate the way I think. I am sorry for wanting the hard path. I also am sorry in advance if we make the silver league. Knowing fully i will pvdoor all week to try and get there.

Edit – keep your trash lolfinisher and that extra blue I get from the Omgwvw chests.. I dont want or need that garbage

I want PvP.

I am sorry that you think PVDoor is the way to PVP.

:P

Pretty Pixie.8603:

There seems to be a direct correlation between the size of a match’s blowout, and the percieved competence of the dominating server.

The reason is because often times more numbers mean:

More fairweathers & More PVE’ers…Both of which typically have terrible WvW builds and gear.

The other factor is that if you outnumber your opponent 3to1 you can afford to run glassy high DPS builds, every time we have faced bigger servers we have noticed this. The amount of glass-cannon builds increases, along with the “WTF gear does that guy have/uplevel” issues.

Niim.9260:

bob.8632:

I love how people are playing quite possibly one of the easiest RvR games in history to play, and acting all high and mighty as if there is any-much skill required….These people couldn’t stop warbanners….

You said:

Also if people are WPing into a keep while you are trying to cap it, that is on you.

Everyone is just pointing out the stupidity of that statement. Just admit that in the easiest RvR game in history, using a WP on a 3 min timer is not exactly a complicated or challenging task and really shouldn’t have been added to the argument in the first place.

As for the discussion on using warbanners, my view is that if they are using warbanners to keep the lord up it prolongs my ability to farm them, so good.

Please leave and continue whining about perplexity in the other thread, the statement was not stupid (appreciate you saying so though), getting bannered by uplevels was.

Nikkinella.8254:

And what if you happen to be facing someone who can outrun you or perma cc you so you can’t run away from the confusion spam? Then what genius? They are broken and need to be nerfed. Stop defending your crutch.

You die and respawn and realize that you got beat and move on.

(OR come here and make a thread about it)

Liquid.9672:

bob.8632:

I am really unsure as to why keeping these numbers secret is a “thing”?

Surely there must be some reason, but it is lost on me.

This is why …

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/196tgh/jeuxonlineinfo_made_an_interview_with_mike/

The very first Q&A. It’s still a bit vague, as Mike’s reply still doesn’t completely explain exactly why he wants to avoid “creating a situation where the discussion around WvW becomes focused on what the limit is set at”. But there you have it.

Oh cool, thank you for the info…Although it begs the question:

Are we getting close to the point where not answering the question is creating more focus on the limit since they are guarding it so close?

Nikkinella.8254:

Kontrolle.3514:

As much as i hate this runes, while i abuse them, jes i admit it but…
How am i supposed to kill the -99% cc-cond-duration, -65% cond-duration, 16 second stability, 20k+ hp, 3k+ armor, 1k+ regen per second, permastun warrior zergs without them?

The runes are broken jes, but right now they are needed to maintain at least a little bit balance against warriors. Im glad mine is level 80 and asc equipped too.
On my warrior i havnt died once to them, its really not that easy to stack up alot of confusion on warriors whith that much stability.

Good point. The runes are still overpowered. But the fact that you need them just to deal with warriors doesn’t mean that the runes shouldn’t be nerfed. It means warriors need to be nerfed too. And this is coming from a warrior, but I don’t use that cheesy brainless, high reward no risk perma stunlock build. That build needs a serious nerf as well. Any one defending those runes or that cheesy build is just a bad player who relies on cheap tricks in order to win because they lack skill. Anyone can win against an opponent who does nothing but sit there and let you hit them because they’re either permastunned or because there’s nonstop confusion on them. The people screaming L2P are the baddies who use the broken runes and builds as a crutch and can’t win without them. They’re scared of their crutch being taken away. These people don’t seem to realize that there’s a limit to how often you can dodge or cleanse conditions, but no limit to how often you can spam confusion on these runes and very little downtime between the stuns on the stunlock warrior while most classes that have access to stability have it on extremely long cooldowns. Sure i’ll just use my condition cleanse every 5 seconds and my 20 stunbreaks or dodge 30 times in a row to deal with these broken builds.

U sound mad? Why not just run away when you get all that confusion?

Solstice.1097:

bronze league top to bottom has only 200-300 rating difference.

SF, ET, FC, DH will have great fights against anyone they face. We can compete with the top of the league while still having to be on our toes against the bottom.

Can’t speak for T1-5 problems but since the leagues became 6/9/9 I am actually looking forward to season 1.

Go Fergs!

Just keep in mind those servers at the top will have A TON more players once leagues start…

Magnetron.5823:

bob.8632:

“You think the skill lag is bad now, wait til leagues start”

Muahahahah

We will be in the silver league, so I hope we will be fine

During primetime it happens in the Bronze league during big fights (only).

Good luck.

Obscure One.4357:

bob.8632:

Jackie.1829:

bob.8632:

Also if people are WPing into a keep while you are trying to cap it, that is on you. Someone (1-person even!) should be hitting a gate that is not broken as to keep the place contested, then the window is very small and requires good communication for enemies to WP in, designating a few to camp the WP is also helpful provided you are tapping the gate still.

You can waypoint to the keep while the keep is contested you do know that right?

Please re-read what I wrote, as I clearly stated: “Someone (1-person even!) should be hitting a gate that is not broken as to keep the place contested, then the window is very small and requires good communication for enemies to WP in”

Example:
X Hawt Boi X: “what’s timer on SM?”
X Hawt Gurl X: “like 30 secs”
X Cool Dude X: “we just bannered lord again so start spamming the wp soon”

If the players involved can: A ) type in map chat * B )* are literate in the language it’s typed in, and C ) can rapidly click the left mouse button on the SM waypoint icon then they have all the skill required for successful use of this tactic.

To put this in perspective it requires far more skill for a full zerker thief player that presses F1, 5, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, stealth, recover, and repeat to successfully use his notoriously “skill optional” class mechanics, than it is to abuse the waypoint refresh mechanic.

There isn’t much skill in this game, just a ton of siege, and an equal amount of crybabies.

Niim.9260:

bob.8632:

Please re-read what I wrote, as I clearly stated: “Someone (1-person even!) should be hitting a gate that is not broken as to keep the place contested, then the window is very small and requires good communication for enemies to WP in”

No offense but what is complicated about someone giving a 30 sec warning on the WP timer that would justify it as ‘good communication’? Folks just spam click the mouse till its open, not super complicated.

You know a game has lowered the skill cap too low when that is considered challenging.

I love how people are playing quite possibly one of the easiest RvR games in history to play, and acting all high and mighty as if there is any-much skill required….These people couldn’t stop warbanners….

And I am getting ridiculed for saying it takes “good communication” to get the WP timer?

Fine it just takes “communication”…Still hilarious either way. And don’t act like you have never seen a server with a large group miss the timer, and on the other side don’t act like you have never lost something because people are laying there dead watching the timer…People will just say whatever to make a point, and then talk down to anyone else if you disagree.

(You got warbanner trolled, get over it guys…)

I am really unsure as to why keeping these numbers secret is a “thing”?

Surely there must be some reason, but it is lost on me.

“You think the skill lag is bad now, wait til leagues start”

Muahahahah

Jackie.1829:

bob.8632:

Jackie.1829:

bob.8632:

Also if people are WPing into a keep while you are trying to cap it, that is on you. Someone (1-person even!) should be hitting a gate that is not broken as to keep the place contested, then the window is very small and requires good communication for enemies to WP in, designating a few to camp the WP is also helpful provided you are tapping the gate still.

You can waypoint to the keep while the keep is contested you do know that right?

Please re-read what I wrote, as I clearly stated: “Someone (1-person even!) should be hitting a gate that is not broken as to keep the place contested, then the window is very small and requires good communication for enemies to WP in”

Good communication? Lol, since when did spamming a waypoint with 5s left on a timer become good communication. kitten the standards for wvw “skill” are dropping to an all time low.

I refuse to argue shades of communication with someone QQing over 10 warriors with a banner, that got trolled and mad cause they couldn’t cap something. I am sorry they stopped your karma train with some coordination, to which you are labeling as a broken mechanic.

#EveryoneWarbannerVOTF2013