Guild Wars 2

Lightsbane.9012:

Elterzzz.4378:

LOL this is what the fight guilds want

i love the concept of fight guilds.
it’s like they somehow forgot defending keeps from 40 invaders requires fighting.

Most fight guilds will defend, because it means at least getting a fight.

Saleen Jso.2645:

And I think for smaller groups of players especially, it just gets boring roaming and fighting the exact same opponents (other small parties) week after week. It almost encourages or sets a precedent that if you want to meet and fight new players, then you will need to pay and transfer

Now you are getting the idea!

I am not sure how long you have been playing WvW, but this is pretty SOP at this point. And Mag along with T1 and T2 have been pretty well known to manipulate these matches as needed. So it is not something that will likely change anytime soon.

The fix IMO, was the “winner moves up, loser moves down” approach. But ANET decided to stick with the glicko system instead.

Caliburn.1845:

But it is not in the interest of the SEA/OCX players to scatter, because there is not enough of them to populate four tiers. And despite the meme that they only want to PVD, that is not true. They want to have people to fight.

But there is enough to populate 3 maybe 4 servers (IE: 1-tier)…So in that sense it is more of a stereotype rather than a meme…And stereotypes often come from at least a half-truth.

Saleen Jso.2645:

I don’t think so. SI has won multiple weeks in a row. Why are we still playing against them then?

You really need to get a better grasp of the glicko/rating system anet uses to understand the situation.

Maguuma and SBI traded off wins for a few weeks to begin to level out their rating, during this time HoD was originally the 3rd server. HoD however was divided with the new transfers they had received on if they wanted to be in T3 or T4. In the end (supposedly) a lot of the people that favored T4 stopped playing and HoD became a ghosttown unless a few of the old DB guilds were running.

Mag and SBI began to focus HoD out (focus may be too strong of a word because HoD was basically ded by then); and CD pushed up for T3. Once CD got up the first week was “GOLEM WEEK” if I remember correctly. CD was able to leech some rating due to the event, and then varying weeks beyond that all 3 servers allowed the matches to remain semi-close which allowed CD to further gain rating toward Mag and SBI. The rating CD gained, was lost by SBI/Mag which further distanced the rating gap between T3 and T2, thus locking in this matchup.

There are a few things that could change the matchup, but based on the rating system it would likely take a few (or even several) weeks to materialize. Things like a server imploding in T1-3 could eventually affect the T3 match. Or a server below T3 getting massive transfers and slowly climbing their way into T3.

Once you understand how the rating system works, it is fairly easy to see why things are “the way they are”. And you begin to understand if you have a few leaders on the other servers in with you, how easy it is to manipulate the ratings to get the desired result.

ArchonWing.9480:

To me it’s simple.

If supposedly the extra day will ensure that bug fixes are to be made, and wvw is to be maintained to a certain level of quality higher than it currently is, I can just play on Friday anyways and deal with the change.

If I see the same kitten, then it’s Angry Thread Time™.

The only problem with that is, if you play WvW as intended (I do not :X), then you play for the massive fights and to win PPT. With that said, most of these matches are (well)decided by Friday morning with the current Friday evening/night reset. With a Saturday evening reset you are talking about another 24hrs of basically meaningless playtime (again as it relates to score); and not only is it meaningless but it occurs now in between 2 of the most popular days for WvW on NA servers.

On one hand I guess you could argue that with the extra day that gives you more time to play catchup, but if you have played this game since launch you will know that is not how the “pug population” operates. Instead the matchups will operate basically the same as they do now, it will just seem like there is another day tied on to the blowouts by week’s end.

Friday Reset was important because it gave a finality to a match, that also coincided with the finality of the workweek or schoolweek for NA players on NA servers. (IE: the majority, stated as a matter of fact not meant to be rude) Now my guess is Fridays will be what Thursday night is now just “on steroids” with the added weekend crowd, instead of this massive event that it used to be.

Puck.9612:

I enjoyed the match up until T2 fell apart and you had a bunch of players move down that screwed up the fights. Roaming really went to crap after that.

T2 guilds are leaving (most have already left) and headed back so they can “raid against each other”; even though none of them really raid for more than an hour. Like you I am hoping the roaming gets back to what it was, but really the problem now is the guilds that are running 50+ man map blobs while pulling 12+ hr days. Once that kitten starts it is hard to break because pugs start begging for that ktrain on a daily basis.

Oh well, we will see what HoT brings, I have a feeling it will be the end for a lot of old school WvW’ers.

I hate to break to the random Mag OP, but we locked this matchup in on purpose…And it was done well before the fight guilds xferred down to T3. It was done with the help of SBI in the beginning as well, and included sending guilds toward SBI instead of Maguuma at the early stages. This was all done to avoid the kittenshow going on in T2.

For every person saying “stale matchup” there were 30 saying “lock the tier”. TBH no one from Mag is playing right now until HoT, and they really haven’t been for about 3 weeks. It just so happens that SBI’s Korean contingent have decided to pull 12+ hour days playing a (even more than normal) meaningless matchup. That has added to the random pugs frustration I would guess.

Also no guilds (of note) took any time off “hoping that one of the other servers would move out”; they took time off 1st to help lock the tier and prevent anyone from slipping into T2, and 2nd (lately) because WvW really doesn’t matter with HoT right around the corner.

EremiteAngel.9765:

EToo many mesmers?

They are not all mesmers, you need to divide the total number by 4.

Tyaen.5148:

bob.8632:

Rink.6108:

and again, same place, same way of capturing sm by jumping that wall. Again maguuma.
Nobody pulled them into inner, no mesmer portal involved.

If it is a known bug, it should be fixed.

You sure do stand in SM a lot friend.

You sure do make a lot of irrelevant comments pal.

I am not your pal buddy.

Rink.6108:

and again, same place, same way of capturing sm by jumping that wall. Again maguuma.
Nobody pulled them into inner, no mesmer portal involved.

If it is a known bug, it should be fixed.

You sure do stand in SM a lot friend.

Natto.5819:

With all the QQing with BlakGate in Tier 2, and with JadeQuarry and YakBend doubling teaming TarnishCoast in Tier 1, I’d like point out that Maguuma/StormIsle/CrystalDesert is the best place for close battles.

If your looking for good GvG and fights, please transfer to one of the servers in Tier 3. Please come. I’m glad I don’t transfer to JadeQuarry when I had the chance. Maguuma has taught me what true Guild Wars 2 players should be like!

Please leave Maguuma.

Tyaen.5148:

bob.8632:

SM is made to flip

Human beings are made to die. Doesn’t make murder acceptable.

I refuse to be mean to autistic people on the internet.

I think that makes me a good person, together we can help people overcome this disease!

SM is made to flip

fishball.7204:

bob.8632:

fishball.7204:

bob.8632:

Similar to what happened back when SoS was the king of T2, and they decided way late in the game to make a T1 push.

Heh, SoS never decided to push T1 as a server. Plenty of meetings, plenty of pledges to PPT but nothing eventuated.

Eventually a lot of guilds got bored and left for various servers including FUG, BEAR, TS, Dx, lion etc.

#historicalaccuracy

It never eventuated because you

decided way late in the game to make a T1 push.

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/191
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/193
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/195
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/197
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/199
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/201
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/203
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/205
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/207
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/209

You can see in those weeks SoS was dominate and in the weeks prior they were content to “skirt” the rating gain each week (IE: win most of the time, but with overall rating gain in primarily in mind; similar to what T3 servers are doing with T2 atm). Starting the first week I linked, a concerted push was noted also marked by the beginning of the end for Maguuma who no longer cared to sit in T2 with SoS content to sit atop the tier doing nothing.

This all leads up to the last season that WvW actually had….

The historical accuracy professor takes his leave now.

Lol @ you thinking Maguuma got tired of T2 because SoS didn’t push for T1. You can’t infer from glicko charts what goes on in the tier and that’s what I’m telling you, SoS didn’t even WANT to push for T1 as a server that’s why guilds left. Same with FA. Maguuma just got bored of GW2 and mass quit to other games, their big players like Duke/Nacho left WvW to do other stuff and that’s why they collapsed, not because they got bored of being PPT stomped (Hint: Mag gives 0 kittens).

I am on mag…genius…And I am telling you what happened based on talks with your commanders back in the day.

It wasn’t just about Maguuma, but Mag quit because AA and the fact that it was a constant PPT race to stay in T2 and all the while the guilds from other servers were already dropping out of the gvg scene. And the reason it was a constant PPT race is because your off hours folks were dooring everything they could find. It made it pointless to try and keep up the PPT treadmill. People tried to talk SoS into pushing for T1 earlier, but your NA wouldn’t go for it. I think it was your off peak dudes that were for it and ultimately they are the ones that pushed the hardest in the matches I posted. Mainly because according to them they wanted to get into kitten have something to fight while NA slept.

Maybe if bear wasnt such a non-factor you would know this.

Blix.8021:

bob.8632:

Blix.8021:

bob.8632:

coglin.1867:

Jethro.8725:

Here is the most simple way to fix the stale matchups.

If you come in first you move up, if you come in second you stay, if you come in third you drop down. This way you will be fighting two new teams each week.

This would even apply to both T1 and T8. The top 2 servers stay in T1 and the bottom 2 servers stay in T8. Gives incentive.

Dump the stupid glicko, win move up, lose move down. Simple.

And what better way is there than to see how you could do against better talent than having to prove it. If you’re down by 8K on a Thursday night (NA time) then wouldn’t it be more fun to have to fight to stay or fight to move up? Wouldn’t more people wan to come into WvW if there was a chance to move up or at least a new matchup the next week? And how about giving the winner something silly like a few laurels or silver or some sort of token that could be traded in after enough are acquired to make it even more lucrative to want to win in WvW?

What do you think?

I think all that does is trade what you deem as a stale match up for unbalanced matchups that I feel would be boring.

FA has owned that tier for a long time, and YB is like in what Week 4 or so of the push for T1???

The amount of salt generated by YB is amazing…Just sit back and let the process work and see how it ends up. You can’t win every week tiger.

Why do you assume coglin is in tier 2? (he isn’t)

I was speaking in general and quoted the conversation.

+1 for your white knighting tho.

I dont think you know what that phrase means

Are you sure?

Blix.8021:

bob.8632:

coglin.1867:

Jethro.8725:

Here is the most simple way to fix the stale matchups.

If you come in first you move up, if you come in second you stay, if you come in third you drop down. This way you will be fighting two new teams each week.

This would even apply to both T1 and T8. The top 2 servers stay in T1 and the bottom 2 servers stay in T8. Gives incentive.

Dump the stupid glicko, win move up, lose move down. Simple.

And what better way is there than to see how you could do against better talent than having to prove it. If you’re down by 8K on a Thursday night (NA time) then wouldn’t it be more fun to have to fight to stay or fight to move up? Wouldn’t more people wan to come into WvW if there was a chance to move up or at least a new matchup the next week? And how about giving the winner something silly like a few laurels or silver or some sort of token that could be traded in after enough are acquired to make it even more lucrative to want to win in WvW?

What do you think?

I think all that does is trade what you deem as a stale match up for unbalanced matchups that I feel would be boring.

FA has owned that tier for a long time, and YB is like in what Week 4 or so of the push for T1???

The amount of salt generated by YB is amazing…Just sit back and let the process work and see how it ends up. You can’t win every week tiger.

Why do you assume coglin is in tier 2? (he isn’t)

I was speaking in general and quoted the conversation.

+1 for your white knighting tho.

FA has owned that tier for a long time, and YB is like in what Week 4 or so of the push for T1???

The amount of salt generated by YB is amazing…Just sit back and let the process work and see how it ends up. You can’t win every week tiger.

Lach.7031:

Who was the designer that made the “glicko” or w/e system?

That is one root of our problems.

Going back to the launch complaints, from what I remember glicko is a system (independent of gw2). ANET chose to apply it to their ratings, and the problem (again going from memory) is that it works much better with more of a sample size. (IE not 24 servers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

Random.4691:

Short answer is yes.

The longer answer is, yes and no, while we are responsible for stacking servers and the likes, it is Anet’s responsibility to sheriff the game and make sure we don’t break it. They didn’t step in and prevent us from destroying it until it was to late.

Pretty much this…

I would add that even when you have players seemingly doing the right thing (like those that worked to balance T3, and continue to do so) you still can have poor results due to shakeups in the tier(s) above you and below.

Spies sapping my ppt.

Random.4691:

Everyone knows Mags will do anything for PPT.

Bless Gatsu.
Bless PPT
Bless Dwayna
Bless Upgraded SM.

fishball.7204:

bob.8632:

Similar to what happened back when SoS was the king of T2, and they decided way late in the game to make a T1 push.

Heh, SoS never decided to push T1 as a server. Plenty of meetings, plenty of pledges to PPT but nothing eventuated.

Eventually a lot of guilds got bored and left for various servers including FUG, BEAR, TS, Dx, lion etc.

#historicalaccuracy

It never eventuated because you

decided way late in the game to make a T1 push.

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/191
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/193
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/195
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/197
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/199
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/201
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/203
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/205
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/207
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/209

You can see in those weeks SoS was dominate and in the weeks prior they were content to “skirt” the rating gain each week (IE: win most of the time, but with overall rating gain in primarily in mind; similar to what T3 servers are doing with T2 atm). Starting the first week I linked, a concerted push was noted also marked by the beginning of the end for Maguuma who no longer cared to sit in T2 with SoS content to sit atop the tier doing nothing.

This all leads up to the last season that WvW actually had….

The historical accuracy professor takes his leave now.

Dhemize.8649:

Swamurabi.7890:

sephiroth.4217:

Just leave T2, let it rot and let YB PvD and 50 v 5 all they like.

Everyone I know that has left so far hasn’t looked back

And when either FA or SoS drops into T3, getting replaced by another VERY HIGH server that can’t compete with YB, you’ll tell them to transfer too?

Once a T3 server jumps up into T2 and finds out how bad the game play is you’ll see the entire T3 players change how they play just so they DON’T go up into T2.

Exactly how T4 and below felt about going up when SoS and FA kept killing off T3. And that wasn’t for one or two months…. But you know, let’s all look the other way.

T3 is currently win trading nicely to prevent any of the 3 from prematurely going into T2. Eventually it might happen, as a T2 server can just go “ded-status”, but right now it is fairly in T3s control to stay away from the T2 wall.

The arms race killed T2…Just like it did when SoS killed it then FA after…Now it is YB’s turn.

Everyone was fine while FA sat atop the tier (this is sarcasm…people were complaining then while FA continued to stack), running blobs all day long. The problem now is you are seeing the fallout from months upon months of FA dominance. People got tired of it, and the GvG guilds leaving was the final issue that eventually opened up the flood gates of transfer. Couple that with the fact that FA is now seeing their fairweather pop. quickly bleed out, due to the YB dominance, and you have a recipe for what is happening in T2.

Similar to what happened back when SoS was the king of T2, and they decided way late in the game to make a T1 push. The only difference then was the GvG guilds outright quit the game, instead of xferring and creating the xfer vacuum to T3 that you see now.

Stacking servers, and begging for xfers will always inevitably end up like this…The fact that people do not learn is the saddest part. The same people clamoring for ANET to step in, are the same people that begged for them to step in and help the xfer issue months ago.

You made the bed, now enjoy it.

Honorable Server Maguuma would never jump into SM, plz. Obviously it was a sick stealth portal.

Syiic.3724:

Hello!

Just as the title stated. What is Mag and Stormbuff and Crystal like? Do commanders use TS? Is there alot of blobbing. How is the roaming? Im looking to transfer from a lower tier.

Don’t come to Maguuma, thanks.

Guild commander tag option please.

Swamurabi.7890:

arKRazor.8654:

Pavel.8531

I think this was one of the things Anet decided to do on their own (well I know there was 1 suggestion for it, but it wasn’t very popular). However, unlike all the other previous “we decided, we know best” changes, this one is actually pretty nice. I like.

It was suggested multiple times, but it was usually mentioned in tandem with other changes or simply fell off the front page without sufficient fanfare.

EDIT: A brief list of threads that asked for a similar change. Courtesy of google.

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https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Dead-player-name-tag-color

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/dead-player-name-tag-color-need-change

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Change-name-downed-player-to-grey-color

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/WvW-Change-the-color-of-dead-enemies-nametag

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Its-time-color-dead-player-names-gray

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Display-Options-to-Hide-titles-Dead-Names

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Names-of-players-that-are-dead

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Dead-bodies-suggestion-gray-out-names

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Gray-Out-Dead-Players-in-WvW

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Corpses-different-nameplate-color-pls

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Suggestion-nametags-off-for-dead-players

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Dead-players-nameplate-color

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/Enemy-name-plates-red-when-dead

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/WvW-Removing-dead-enemies-names

As you can see, a good number of the threads just died in obscurity in the now archived suggestion subforum.

Really makes you wonder if Anet reads forum posts like they say they do…….

My guess is that they do…At this point I envision them having a “whiteboard” (or some electronic equivalent) with ideas they have approved of from the forums/feedback, etc. And they implement those that make the most sense in terms of time, effectiveness, and overall risk/reward. I am sure a lot of the factors are manpower and time constraints, we all have heard the stories about how little WvW help they have.

Loosmaster.8263:

The fact that you can’t realize they won’t change anything. Is it that hard for you to grasp?

The fact that you realize that, and still QQ about people posting threads in a forum makes more sense???????????????????????????????

If you do not like the game then quit, it really is as simple as that. Then you do not have to come to the forums and try to fail-troll threads.

This is why the winner moves up/loser moves down system would have been better. This is also why S2 should have been swiss-style but with no “tiers/leagues” allowing servers to move up and down the ladder over 9 weeks to actually give us some balanced matches over time.

It is one of the few reasons to run Focus on a mesmer, it is fine.

I want to apologize if I came off as harsh before. I know people have “realm pride”, and I get that. But my point (perhaps poorly made) was and still is:

This game is dying a bit, waning in population. Obviously there are enough people that will still make playing it viable in the future (people still play GW1.). The problem is that at the release of the game there was some intense hope from the player-base thinking this was going to be the next big thing (since DAoC) in the RvR sense, not to mention all of the old GW1 players that had been waiting on this game for quite a while. Therefore there was a true need for 24 servers, I do believe that. (NA)

But now there really is not, and with the Megaserver update, that even becomes more clear. Let’s be honest, there are probably more PVE’ers than WvW’ers as a whole. PVE was taking massive hits with 3/4 of the maps on servers totally empty. Megaservers (like them or not) were needed in that regard to keep the game viable, for players that wanted to play with other players (MMO and whatnot).

2 years ago I would have said the same thing you guys are screaming, and that is probably because my server moves back then were while the game was still “full”. But I do believe that something needs to be done in the long run. And I think that if you have never moved from a low-pop server, the changes over time in your population have been so gradual that you really do not see the issue.

Again, if you just totally enjoy solo roaming on a near-empty map, then I get that, but the fact of the matter is in 1-2years the bottom 3-6 servers will likely not be able to support WvW unless something changes from the current pace.

Pavel.8531:

I think this was one of the things Anet decided to do on their own (well I know there was 1 suggestion for it, but it wasn’t very popular). However, unlike all the other previous “we decided, we know best” changes, this one is actually pretty nice. I like.

Edit, after arKRazor’s post: I stand corrected then.
… Wait a minute. The thread “change * to grey color” is 1 YEAR old? Well here goes my positivity out of the window… sigh.

Yeah we had asked for it several times from what I remember. It is absolutely nice for ZvZ, but even better for smaller teams that fighting outnumbered. So many times in the past we have seen pugs tuck tail and run even though some of the more experienced players knew they had lots of downed/dead. A sea of red names always looked the same dead or alive, and it was working in the favor of the larger team.

Loosmaster.8263:

Immolator.5640:

it’s not even an oldie, 6 days :S

The fact that there is no typical response should tell you the thread is pointless!!!:

WTF is a typical response? There 6 pages of responses including one or two from a dev???

Also what makes you the authority on what is good/bad for a forum? ROFL

That would be awesome if true!?

Carbon.2975:

bob.8632:

Carbon.2975:

Hey!

No one on my server plays WvW anymore (Darkhaven). I’m looking to transfer to a server with people who are passionate about this part of the game.

What would you guys suggest? I don’t mind paying the 1800 gem fee as long as I get to enjoy the game again.

Wherever this guy plays at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Tournament-pricing-ended-May-30th/first
So the QQ will stop about transfers.

Always one jerk on every forum.

Agreed!

Carbon.2975:

Hey!

No one on my server plays WvW anymore (Darkhaven). I’m looking to transfer to a server with people who are passionate about this part of the game.

What would you guys suggest? I don’t mind paying the 1800 gem fee as long as I get to enjoy the game again.

Wherever this guy plays at:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Tournament-pricing-ended-May-30th/first
So the QQ will stop about transfers.

Offair.2563:

Get rid of PvD – or nerf it into the ground esp on reinforced gates so people actually have to put siege down and pour supplies into it.

Get rid of siege, make players actually fight players instead of doors.

Related:

“The player-count requirement for breakout events has been lowered from 10 to 5.”

Rimmy.9217:

bob.8632:

I have played on a lot of servers (7 or so on EU and NA) with most of my time spent in NA-“Bronze” and honestly you really do not realize how bare T7-8 (NA) is until you start moving around. Like I said, if you want a sparsely populated server, then no worries.

But really, the higher tiers are not queued for the most part. The old days of higher tiers full of zergs and queues, and lower tiers are full of roamers and skill groups are coming to an end.

This game does not really have the population to support 24 servers anymore, and it probably hasn’t for around 1 year or so.

No merges. If higher tier servers want more population, they can pay ANet to move en masse to a lower populated server.

And people who are currently on lower populated servers who don’t like the kind of play they’re getting can pay ANet to transfer to a higher populated server.

Do not decide on my behalf what’s “better” for me based on your own preference. The lower tier servers are not a resource to be harvested by the higher population servers to maintain their boring big group zergs.

It is a myth that all higher tiered servers want you to transfer there…In fact it is only a handful more than likely…

What is true is that many higher tiers think the lower tiers are full of bad individual players, which ironically is also a myth.

sishbob.3987:

To all the people saying that ANet is doing a great job and such, they sure could be doing a lot better. From what I feel and read, its not really the delay thats upsetting people. Thats not too big a deal. Its the constant appearance of bugs in WvW and the constant feeling that WvW will never be patched. Did anyone read the last patch notes? WvW had two very very minor mentions. Its better than nothing though. Then I read down, and I see “BlargBlargBlargBlarg the Quaggan is now in the Gemstore” and stuff like that. It took up easily three times as much space as WvW patch did. And thats the issue.

And lordkrall, before you respond with some white knight speech again, let me say that I have experience with computer programming. Admittedly, its not the same engine GW2 uses, but I still have experience. And keeping track of a player’s server affiliation and getting them the correct rewards really isnt that hard unless there is a fundamental flaw in the code.

tl;dr People arent angry because of delay, angry because of constant bugs that should be relatively easy to fix and lack of patches for WvW

Most frustrating thing for me is on those “Patch Tuesdays”, you know the ones where WvW is near unplayable because of all those hotfixes? See those are for PVE, I would love to see how PVE people reacted if everything went well but they still just had to wait 3-4 days on ANET to implement a vendor to cash-in to…

They would go apekitten crazy, and riot….But WvW will always take a back-burner, because it is only a sideshow to PVE in Anet’s mind.

Loosmaster.8263:

Yeah, stop digging up old threads.

Stop trying to police the forums….
Oldie but a goodie, +1 on Badges for Tomes.

I have played on a lot of servers (7 or so on EU and NA) with most of my time spent in NA-“Bronze” and honestly you really do not realize how bare T7-8 (NA) is until you start moving around. Like I said, if you want a sparsely populated server, then no worries.

But really, the higher tiers are not queued for the most part. The old days of higher tiers full of zergs and queues, and lower tiers are full of roamers and skill groups are coming to an end.

This game does not really have the population to support 24 servers anymore, and it probably hasn’t for around 1 year or so.

I know I would definitely let 600 gems stop me from going to a crappy server vs a good one…..

lordkrall.7241:

Mad Pig.2890:

I’m not frustrated that there is going to be a fix. I’m frustrated that 9 weeks of ‘content’ falls flat onto nothing.

I still don’t get this part.
Where have they said that we won’t get our rewards? And if they haven’t what are you even talking about?
Just because you don’t have your rewards right now doesn’t mean you won’t get them.

Lots of people STILL have not gotten SEASON 1 REWARDS….

No disrespect, just honesty….But having 1-2 maps populated during 4hrs out of a 24hr day does not mean you are thriving…..

It is absolutely fine if you enjoy that, but do not try to justify that having some prime-time presence and tumbleweeds on everything else, means that you are well populated and stable.

Loosmaster.8263:

Are we back to dragging up old posts again? Get busy, you have 562 pages worth.

Maddest guy on interwebz about thread necroing….Nevermind that the topic is relevant…

Mark Katzbach.9084:

While the World vs. World team investigates an issue with tournament reward chest distribution, we are temporarily delaying access to the rewards that would have otherwise been available on the Battle Historian on June 3rd. We hope this will help prevent further compounding the issue, and avoiding unnecessary confusion while we work to resolve the problem. Thank you for your patience.

Bump that noise….No rewards for ANYONE until the S1 people finally get their S1 rewards!!!

Also could you guys imagine if the beloved PVE pop was treated like this??? Let alone the bugs, but even if everything went smoothly PVE’ers would riot if they had to wait 3-4 days for an NPC to be installed to claim their rewards…..

I think he means “hang tight, do not submit”…..

OP seems to be really upset about server xfers….2 threads, calm down geez.