Guild Wars 2

Condition build viability depends on the class / weapon /spec.

For example, if you cant reliably keep more than a few condition stacks on target(s) at a time reliably, then you are absolutely wasting your time running condition damage in gear.

tkalamba.2541:

Aieo.2815:

What? When we fought SoR, we both have queues on all 4 maps during NA prime. Don’t tell me SoR lost players when BG dropped.

We lost players during the fight with BG as it went on for 9 weeks. People got tired.

We’ve had a resurgence with the new match up.

Oh, I didnt see your post. Thats what he was responding to.

Aieo.2815:

What? When we fought SoR, we both have queues on all 4 maps during NA prime. Don’t tell me SoR lost players when BG dropped.

I am not sure who or what you are responding to, or maybe if you misunderstood something. I will respond to your post though to clarify what you are sort of asking.

Over the past couple of weeks a few things have happened to SOR regarding guilds (correct me if I am wrong anyone).

We lost an oceanic guild to BG.

We added a guild of roughly equal size this week from JQ. (havent played with them yet due to time zone differences)

We added a NA prime time guild, relatively small but extremely effective, from what I can see, from IOJ.

Did I miss anything anyone?

Kerithlan.1659:

Indo.8629:

You just re-stated what I said except you took 4 paragraphs and threw in the points…..

o.O

I thought you were implying that SoR’s new-found late night +450’s was something to be expected long-term. I was posting evidence counter to that. You guys usually tick around 300-350 during this time.

Whatever.

What you are missing is that we don’t have a new found late night at all.

What happened is that BG went to T1 and they had huge numbers compared to everyone else and it was near impossible to keep them from taking everything.

The amusing thing is that all of this coverage/numbers they have during that time, now that they actually have to fight players instead of npcs, they are getting steam rolled in points during those hours.

Indo.8629:

It is what it is, getting out cover-aged sucks, the ppt system sucks. We went through it, we completely understand what you guys are going through, but you can’t blame us for it.

You guys bring it when you’re on, that’s all that matters quite frankly. And when I judge SBI or TC, I’m not going to judge them by their ppt, I will judge them by how fiercely they fought against us.

I am glad somebody gets it.

pot.6805:

Winning tends to reinvigorate a server, congrats!

Oh SOR has been winning for a long time against other players. Unfortunately we just didn’t have the coverage in previous matchups to stop the PvDoor while we were working/sleeping in NA.

We are gud at siege too

This guy is clearly PRO

Mortelle.7401:

covenn.7165:

..and an additional one for full effect

How many rams are there? o.o

As many as can fit between the tunnel and the bridge

..and an additional one for full effect

Score update ……… el oh el

I am ok with transferring to servers with a need or to seek challenge in a lower tier. However, transferring from the underdog server to the top server within the same tier is weak and the very definition of bandwagoning. The guild mentioned above that pretty much deserves to get trounced in T1 repeatedly.

FriendlyFire.3604:

The problem is when one side temporarily teams up with SoS, for what ever reason

You do know how three way fights work right? It is always a 2v1.

At any given time on any given map, there is a server facing assault from the other two in their pairing at the same time.

This is simply how the game works. Complaining about it or even pointing it out is both needless and a waste of time.

foxyroxylee.1708:

covenn.7165:

hex.3218:

You win because you have numbers and coverage and never run in groups smaller than 20.

Kudos.

This is how JQ and SOS stays in T1.

This is also how BG just got to T1 from T2, by having vastly better coverage than their opponents.

What is the issue or complaint?

T1 is boring as hell. no fights!! just zerg objectives and play the babysitter war at keeps/tower/camps. MOAR FIGHTS… less objectives. obviously objectives are easy (some of them). and oh, more fights outside of zergs…plsss make T1 more fun. lower brackets are more fun than this. or maybe you cant fight outside of zergs =)

You could always transfer off your server to a lower tier for the challenge instead of complaining about this one.

That is why I transferred off of JQ to a lower tier.

Ubi.4136:

Yeah, I was wondering how long it will take some of BG’s guilds to bandwagon elsewhere. Was thinking it only takes 1 week of losing before a lot of guilds jump, and when they do, it is always to a server in first place on their tier. And, if paid server changes are coming, kind of puts a time table on the bandwagon.

These guilds that SoR gained were contemplating transferring before this match up when SoR was in second place ad infinitum. Calling them bandwagon guilds when SoR when were are not even through the first week of SoR potentially getting first place in this tier … well that is immature and borderline insanity.

Please be civil.

hex.3218:

You win because you have numbers and coverage and never run in groups smaller than 20.

Kudos.

This is how JQ and SOS stays in T1.

This is also how BG just got to T1 from T2, by having vastly better coverage than their opponents.

What is the issue or complaint?

I give up, forum is being wierd.

oltouch.2913:

edited to clarify… Meant shouldn’t have transferred to, what it looks like, strongest server in this tier.

Well SoR was 2nd before this week in T2 and was for a LONG time. Not sure why you are complaining.

Ubi.4136:

Yeah, the ability lag is getting a little ridiculous. Had a great 3 way going in TC Garrison last night, right before SoR took it. Someone put an AC on the side of the roof between 2nd and 3rd floor, so I had the entire fight to just rain arrows on people without being attacked till it was over. Sad thing was, it would take 10-15 seconds just to get an attack off. Which, kind of negates the whole point of the arrow cart. Was great watching SBI try to hold the 3rd floor after I died. Great fun guys, let’s keep at it.

Yeah I was on the ground floor for most of that and the only ability I could get to reliably fire was my auto attack.

Mohmohchan.4120:

Thank you for the warm welcome Sanctum of Rall. We look forward in working with you.

Welcome to the server.

I enjoyed fighting with some of your crew and am looking forward to many fights in the future.

Otokomae.9356:

C’mon SoR, pick it up! A lot of us in Tier 1 are rooting for you!
(^_^)

We are slowly building our coverage with some quality guilds. So hopefully one day.

No bandwagoners that will be gone in a month allowed though!

Sunspots.9861:

akamon.2769:

Indo.8629:

Sunspots.9861:

Great fights on Sor Bl! Nothing but respect for [TW] and their prowess on the battle field.

Yeah, great fights

You guys were really working those portals and fake portals and counter portals. You made us watch the ground all over trying to guess which portal you were going to take.

baa sounds like i missed some fun!D

That you did! Where were you guys, taking our Garrison! Hehe. Here’s a score update:

That was a crazy fight. For all of us, I really hope they fix ability lag in fights like that. It makes it both hard to defend and attack when you press buttons that do nothing. Heh

Israel.7056:

My personal perception has been that sometimes we’re outnumbered and sometimes we’re not but as I said that’s not based on any real data.

To be honest this is completely shocking to me. In T2 we simply didn’t have the people to stop you from taking away all of our prime time acquisitions and greatly running up the score during oceanic hours. Given the bg hoard I saw out there on the rare occasion I could play at those hours, I am surprised.

I think you have the numbers honestly. It is just going to take you some time to adjust to the competition during those hours. I am sure you can do it.

This will give players a progression path where they earn new WvW-only abilities and bonuses

arenta.2953:

2v1 is a part of tier 1 you have ot get used to. don’t believe me?

2v1 is part of every single tier. In fact every side on every tier gets 2v1’d. That is part of being in a three way fight.

I thought this was well established.

People absolutely should get gold credit for operating siege.

Disclaimer: I never operate siege myself

Esoteric.5490:

Sigh. For lack of a better phrase, haters are going to hate. We have hardly gotten “stacked”. Winning in this game requires the best coverage you can put out around the clock. Because we win, it becomes easy to dismiss this as “Oceanic PvDoor”. When your server puts out the total points of more than the other servers combined, I think that coverage can’t possibly be the only thing that enabled you to win. I am waiting for people to learn how to lose gracefully instead of trashing on a server for having more players, because we totally have control over our population.

So how is your first week in T1 working out for you? I understand that JQ and SOS can put up a fight 24/7 due to their coverage. Is your oceanic crew faring as well as it did in T2?

Sorry I missed the fun last night. Was putting in my new hardware and didnt realize my new vid card needed two 6 pins. Should be up tonight and hopefully running smooth to collect your bags.

(cool story bro)

Envelop so they cant focus in one direction, AE unless the retaliation is too much, keep poison/weakness/ice fields on them, AE some more after retal drops, and collect bags.

The turtling only works against random puggers or with vastly superior numbers (but you should win that anyways if equally skilled).

What is up with that score?

Unlike thieves, you can see DD eles coming. If they are bunker spec, you can simply choose not to stay and fight them because it will take them a year to kill you. If they are glass cannon, simply immobilize and two shot them.

Tajz.9826:

We have quite a hole during Oceanic prime time (Aussie’s guild)

Well it wasnt a hole in T2. You guys were ticking away solidly at 500-600 during the time zone for weeks. I think you have the people, they just need to learn to fight the way your prime time crew does.

Good luck guys.

A better idea is to remove jump puzzles completely and make people actually WvW to get badges.

Dynheart.5402:

Distaste.4801:

Indo.8629:

I said it before and I’ll say it again and dont take this as any disrespect. BG as a server has a lot of coverage but not enough skilled/organized coverage.

You’re joking right? The coverage BG has is far more oragnized/skilled than SoS or JQ, the problem is BG simply doesn’t have enough of it to match SoS’s numbers let alone SoS+JQ. BG has been constantly stopping much larger SoS zergs with fewer numbers, the problem comes when skill/organization cannot overcome a greater population and that’s the wall BG hits. BG can have 20 skilled and organized people but they aren’t going to win vs 100 half coordinated zerglings.

Skill. You know how JQ manages to stay Second mostly every week, while being out numbered by SoS? Skill. We don’t whine, though. We give them a good fight and move to the next week. If we win a week, good. If we lose? Who cares. The fights are great.

Stop whining about coverage and show SoS and JQ that you are skilled. Skilled players don’t get trounced, pugs do. There’s gonna be a 3rd place…if it’s you guys, go down fighting…with your skilled players.

Excuses are just that…Honestly? I haven’t heard the 2v1 excuse since…the last time you guys were in T1. We also had our first T1 thread locked, also, since you guys were in T1. Let’s just WvWvW, and enough of the “we are better, you just have numbers” crap…we’ve seen that card played before, and it’s quite old.

Show US your skilled…save some effin face. Otherwise the “skill” talk is just that…talk. Then we’re pretty much going back to square one…“beastgate” all over again.

Eh, cut them some slack. It is a new experience for them to fight people during oceanic hours. Give them a couple of weeks to bring the competition.

Distaste.4801:

Indo.8629:

I said it before and I’ll say it again and dont take this as any disrespect. BG as a server has a lot of coverage but not enough skilled/organized coverage.

You’re joking right? The coverage BG has is far more oragnized/skilled than SoS or JQ, the problem is BG simply doesn’t have enough of it to match SoS’s numbers let alone SoS+JQ. BG

I wise man on your server once told me that the only thing that matters is the scoreboard. Keep up the good fight bro. I know what it is like to walk in shoes similar to yours where the enemy has overwhelming and superior coverage.

Indo.8629:

Distaste.4801:

Indo.8629:

I said it before and I’ll say it again and dont take this as any disrespect. BG as a server has a lot of coverage but not enough skilled/organized coverage.

You’re joking right? The coverage BG has is far more oragnized/skilled than SoS or JQ, the problem is BG simply doesn’t have enough of it to match SoS’s numbers let alone SoS+JQ. BG has been constantly stopping much larger SoS zergs with fewer numbers, the problem comes when skill/organization cannot overcome a greater population and that’s the wall BG hits. BG can have 20 skilled and organized people but they aren’t going to win vs 100 half coordinated zerglings.

I wouldn’t knock sos or jq. They are solid servers which have earned their place in t1.

Agreed.

JQ is my original home before moving on to seek other challenge. They definitely earned their place there.

Liquid.9672:

What’s funny is BG crushed the off-peak hours in T2, and many on SoR called them night cappers. Shows the contrast in coverage between the top two tiers nicely I think.

I am just happy that BG actually have enemies to test them now during those hours. I imagine it is far more enjoyable for them. I just wish we could have provided the forces to do so ourselves in T2.

SirLeroyz.5820:

Akinorix.5107:

ykyk.2740:

covenn.7165:

Anyone been following the T1 scores? I find them quite interesting

It’s almost impossible to be doing that badly during oceanic prime time with the numbers and skill that BG have shown themselves capable of. Either the other 2 servers are absolute monstrosities with 4 full map queues and godlike players or BG gave up. I find that quite a disappointment as I was rooting for them to make a showing after beating T2 so badly =/

Bg were untested all they did was pvdoor, because both TC and SoR has no presents, and now that they have to actually fight to take keeps they can’t keep up

honestly this is the best I have seen the forums been in a while. The amount of trash talk when BG was here was unbelievable…… SBI and TC have really great sportsmanship, I prefer being in any tiers with great sportsmanship than on tiers with people who decide to laugh at you after fighting 5v1 or how saying doubleteaming in wvw is strategy but start complaining how its unfair when they hit tier 1, its laughable honestly…(its about time someone put bg in their place)

If you follow the threads there you will see 2v1 excuses. We all get 2v1’d, its part of the game and not worth making life difficult on the moderators over.

Azure Prower.8701:

Robot Chocken.7012:

Right as I log in WvW today, BG is in lord room at Ascension Bay in Jade Quarry Boderlands. Pushing on our Borderland when SoS has taken their Garrison, and has totally wiped them out of Eternal Battlegrounds. The logical move for BG is to regain ground on their own borders thus reducing the potential points of SoS. Just like SBI has done in the past, BG sees JQ as the easier target. This is the reason why there is frequently a huge point difference between all 3 servers at the end of the week. A more balanced approach on the battlefield will yield more balance in the final score results. I think many people get to personal about things instead of looking at the most logical attack strategy. JQ often pushes at SoS because we want to be #1 server. We are just striving to be the best in WvW and have nothing but respect for SoS, it is nothing personal. Welcome to tier one Blackgate we are glad to have you here

Wok Fo A Livin [HzH]
Jade Quarry

I’d just like to say I can’t wait for SBI to come back to Tier 1 so we have some real competition at least. At the moment we have two servers bringing their A game to Tier 1 and the third server seems to think all the Tier 1 fighting is on the forums instead of the battle field.

Great fights. Disappointing outcome.

I understand why you say that completely.

Every server faces 2 other teams. Thus everyone gets 2v1’d. It is the nature of the game and not worth pointing out to be honest.

Part of the problem in WvW is that PvE deaths count towards death total. At least currently.

Anyone been following the T1 scores? I find them quite interesting

Some lead you to believe coverage isn’t important, but we should all know by now it is the difference maker.

Turtles are easy to break without siege. They really only work against random people and not against anyone half way decent.

I dont even know what to say about waking up this morning and not losing everything over night

Wow is that dominance by SoS happening during oceanic times? Good job guys.

Static.9841:

Did I miss something, did badges suddenly become important? Some of us are working on our ultimate dominator titles, HUGE thanks to TW for all the help

To everyone else, great fights tonight, I’m enjoying this match up tremendously, very close the whole way so far, will be very interesting to see how coverage is once the weekend is over. Keep up the good fights!

I bet I have a higher rate of return and get there far faster.

Xirin.8593:

Amity.8549:

As for the 2v1 posts, I would assume most of the qq would be coming from individuals or guilds that aren’t involved with the strategy aspect of it.

I don’t think anyone on BG is QQing (perhaps those stating there is QQ, should quote it? Straw man…). In fact, from reading map/team chat for the past 24 hrs, BG takes it as a complement that we require enough attention as to be almost exclusively 2v1’d. It is a challenge for our server to overcome.

What we take issue with is comments that are disingenuous to the reality of the match-up. And especially those comments that insinuate that BG isn’t putting forth any effort.

Everyone gets 2v1’d. It’s the nature of a three way fight. Not so sure why that is worthy of pointing out

Mogar.9216:

I posted about this a long time ago. Eles does not play like mage in any mmo. Eles play like melee dps with magic, kind of like a fighter/mage that uses daggers. Both DD and SD play more like melee than ranged class. Staff is the only ranged weapon and it’s gimp as hell unless all you do is zerg.

I am D/D myself unless in a siege. Staff done right destroys people in that situation though.

I disagree. You can kill ele’s on siege outside or the siege itself without a zerg.