Guild Wars 2

Rainu.6871:

What about making AoE have a small delay before it starts doing damage, similar to most mob AoEs?

Most of them do, at least the elementalist ones do in staff. Also, one of the ones being complained about in the forums is the d/d ability that has a 4 second channel that you can run out of easily before it fires to do any damage. lol

Saweth You Him.9047:

Damage of aoe probably needs to be reduced for elementist meteor shower, theifs dagger spin, elementists stone aoe.

Nah, you need to read up on those elementalist ablities.

Meteor shower has a long cool down, cast, and isn’t reliable damage because who it hits and when inside the area is random.

If the stone aoe you are referring to is churning earth. Yeah it hits hard, but the cast time is prohibitive on the channel. You can literally walk out of the AoE before it fires even if you are crippled. Not only that, it telegraphs itself so obviously that all you have to do is wait a couple of seconds after the animation and dodge. You take 0 damage and 0 bleed stacks. In fact, most elementalists have to resort to using the lightning flash cantrip to even hit someone with it because it is so easy to avoid (and can still be easily dodged with the lightning flash)

The cast time on churning earth alone should make it immune to any nerfing. I am perfectly ok with the damage being reduced directly or via the bleed stacks if they reduce the time on it so it can be used more readily. More often than not, in order for an ele to land it anyways on a player, they have to use lightning flash because it is too easy to move away from.

Nerfing the damage on it without reducing the cast time would make it go from situational use to never use.

Atomic Sharks.7250:

daph PM me i’ll pass on my condition build. its pretty good. also note in metoer shower that unless they cannot get to you easily do not use meteor shower. it is a death wish. a channel skill which allow them to get closer to you while you can do nothing.

There is no such thing as a good condition build as a staff elementalist.

Also you can use meteor shower perfectly fine in most situations if you rotate through your AE damage spike correctly.

daphoenix.4283:

Optimizing Rotations
The best attunement rotation is to cycle in order: Air, Water, Earth, then Fire + repeat cycle. This is the order in which you should use your attunements, and you can start at any attunement you want to initiate.

This is not the best way to cycle when your goal is to do a damage spike.

Jayne.9251:

covenn.7165:

Jayne.9251:

I believe they’re both from the same server.

Glad someone else pointed that out. I had been considering it for a while, heh

Well considering cover girl just moved to sor, she could simply walk up to both of you and spank you. Shrug.

Good point. hahah

Hmm. Doesnt a three way fight kind of imply that you will always be fighting 2 other sides? Why does this warrant its own whine thread again?

Jayne.9251:

I believe they’re both from the same server.

Glad someone else pointed that out. I had been considering it for a while, heh

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

Zzzz i’m done arguing with you since it is absolutely pointless. I have sleep to catch up on!

Not sure why you started arguing with me in the first place. I was just informing people of the queue situation.

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

covenn.7165:

However, we have way more than adequate NA coverage at the moment, and it is only fair that people know this before moving here.

I’ve never been to T1 so I do not know how strong SoS’ NA is now compared to how it was before, and I have never gone up against JQ.

I prefer to be safe than sorry.

You need both numbers and quality. Unfortunately because there is limited space on borderlands, too many numbers can actually lead to less quality and cohesion.

How coordinated would Choo be as a guild if you went weeks without being able to get your people in the same map at the same time reliably (or even being able to play at all)?

Cover Girl.2580:

I’ve seen enough of this derailed angry talk from the last 3-4 posters.

Angry? I was being friendly.

Indo.8629:

Your both saying the same thing just different aspects of the situation.

Anyways, score update?

Here is the current score

The bottom line is this, if you want to avoid queues and you play during NA hours. You may not want to transfer to SoR because we have them every night on every map. More people queuing at that time means longer waits for anyone and also means you may not even get to play with your guildies and friends. However if you do come, you will be welcomed with open arms by most.

If you are an oceanic guild or play off NA peak hours, I do not believe there are any queues yet.

Anyways, word of warning to any NA guilds that are considering transferring to SoR… queue times were running well over an hour this evening. We also have had queues nearly every night of the last match up at those hours as well.

Maladon.5760:

OldRodKS.9758:

Maladon.5760:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Man, we’re losing people left and right. I live in the EST timezone and during my 6PM-10PM period SBI is outmanned in every single map…

Nah, we’re fine…

That is an awesome picture!

Having been up against SoR for a few weeks now, I can certainly sympathize LOL

I just want to know one thing though… what kind of computer do you have that can handle the culling? Usually when I see that many SoR at once, it’s after I’m dead and they are running past my still twitching corpse.

I built a new computer right before launch with the following hardware:

ASUS P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT LGA 1155 Motherboard
Intel Core i5-3450 Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz Processor
ASUS GeForce GTX 670 2GB Graphics Card
Corsair Force Series GT CSSD Hard Drive
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (x2) 16GB total RAM

It’s not top of the line by any means but it gets the job done. I think culling issues exist on just about any machine to some degree but having an updated system helps.

Not really. The culling is all server side and has nothing to do with your system. ANET has explained this numerous times. I am comparable to you system wise except I have a 3rd generation I7 ivybridge. Culling is exactly the same on this system as it was on the nearly 5 year old rig I scrapped.

ykyk.2740:

Thank you SoR for the maturity shown in this thread.

I can only hope that when the inevitable trolls and chest-beaters appear with their +650 ppt screenshots that all servers can deal with it with the same level of maturity. Let’s not sour the mood of an already difficult matchup.

Most of that nonsense you saw came from BG posters a few weeks ago, not from SOR. Sure we troll just as much as anyone else, but I think we have a firm understanding of what coverage means in this game considering that up until the transfers this week, we had very little of it.

I am pretty sure that I can speak for most of the SoR players by saying that we would much rather have challenging fights than steam rolling everything with sheer numbers. That is boring (and in fact is why I transferred off of JQ to SoR months ago)

I was referring to DAoC yes. Meaningful CC let you both actively and passively extend against vastly superior numbers.

I prefer real CC as long as they have hard counters, but games these days have gone too care bear to appeal to the WoW crowd.

saiyr.3071:

The reality is that the battle was probably insanely fun for them to fight with such odds and it doesn’t matter how good or bad they are. And that you’re raining on their parade.

I would say that a person shouldn’t make videos if they didn’t want comments about it.

You can extend in this game against disorganized masses decently, but it pales to the extension you used to be able to do in certain games with actual meaningful CC.

saiyr.3071:

Easy to shout that from the sidelines

Perhaps… in game I wouldn’t even notice a glass cannon ele like that because I would drop him in a couple of seconds and move on to another target.

The reality is, with the gear he is running, the fact that he is using staff, and the fact that he only has mist form as a defensive outside of his fields means that he is free points in WvW to anyone who knows what they are doing.

Heck even a bunker d/d ele that hits like a wet noodle could drop that guy in that gear set in just a few seconds, has the gap closers to do so easily, and can disrupt the others at the same time.

Kardiamond.6952:

covenn.7165:

bla bla I would have done better bla bla

frostflare.6390:

 
You must be jokeing-You gotta. That was one of the worst zergs ever combine that with a barely mediocre group. Yea no wonder they all died. Id say the zerg deserves to get kitten bunched in the nads-every one of them, for being so bad. No really-That was bad. It is unfathomable how absoluty bad that was.

You do know that two of those player are among the bets player in the game? They are forming one of the best sPvP team around.

I agree the zerg was bad.

But the Elem were prolly the best players you could find, and they used combo, called healing, called shot.

This is a proof of skill > zerg.

That’s how this game should be.

Don’t know who they are and dont care.

I watched the video and how they played and they weren’t very good, fortunately that zerg was worse. Not only that the ele in the vid was geared horribly.

Victory.2879:

Add that to an aoe nerf and you’ll see piles of thiefs and d/d eles running around and not much else.

Doubtful, most D/D ele skills are AE

tkalamba.2541:

This is why SF chose JQ over anyone else. They went for a competitive server with the need for NA guilds vs going to an NA heavy server.

All guilds should do that before moving

Art.9820:

pew pew those mdfkas! just kidding, knockdowns and long distance interrupts are quite useful against eles

Don’t even have to on glass staff eles. Just use a gap closer and destroy them. Light armored, no toughness, no health, and only one survival tool on that ele means he should get dropped by anyone in less than 5 seconds.

Heh I bet a single glass cannon thief that knew what he was doing could have killed all 4 himself.

Mikitten058:

Many guilds have actually been taking the time to look and see what servers have what gaps in coverage prior to leaving their home server. Which is something many didnt do prior to the announcement for the 28th.

Yeah. that is good for self balancing ourselves too.

I would love to have nearly every tier competitive week to week.

Oh I guess I should officially answer: Don’t need a zerg to counter class cannon staff eles, especially guys like this that dont run extra survival tools. I could probably down two of them myself before I even used a single CC ability or self heal.

I also want to point out that this ele was glass cannon and still can’t dish out the crit values and damage other classes can. Take a look at the damage numbers he put out as full cannon… kind of funny considering some bunker specs in other classes hit that hard without sacrificng anything. lol

The staff ele making the video has 14k heath. That means that he is a ultra squishy glass cannon. Not only that, he was running one defensive cantrip ability only and none of the survival tools a bunker ele would run. No stability, no active condition removal, no nothing to enhance his ability to stay alive… only damage (wave and blast lol)

One competent person could have killed him in a matter of seconds if they actually pushed into them. Even me running full survivability gear and no real dps to speak of could have pushed into him and killed him in a matter of second easily.

The ele making the video was geared wrong, traited wrong, slotted wrong, and didn’t even play overly effectively. Together they played fairly effectively, but that’s about it. The only problem in the video is that the mindless and uncordinated mini zerg in the vid apparently didnt have one competent player with them.

If I got a little testy, I apologize. Part of the reason of moving to SoR from JQ months ago for me personally outside of its community, was the fact that it was an underdog server providing challenging play and actually allowed me to play with my friends/guild members instead of sitting in queues all night.

I just hope we do not get any more people during NA prime time hours. The queues are already borderline stupid in some BLs at peak hours. If a NA guild moves to SOR and thinks they are going to have an easy time playing together, they will be sorely disappointed. Unfortunately that is part of the problem when you transfer to a server that already has more than adequate coverage during your play hours.

Oceanics and others on the opposite side of the globe shouldnt have an issue though.

Stiv.1820:

I hope it may be different than straight damage nerf. Who knows, they may even allow it to hit more than 5 targets. What I think they mean by “effective” is how it racks up kill credit and gets bags. This is what they mean by “gaming the system in WvW”.

If they are adding a Prestige system they will want to be careful to make sure just zerging and spamming AoE isn’t the best way to gain it. They may just make it worse at getting kill credit and things like that, not necessarily worse in it’s damage effect.

For the Prestige system to be meaningful it has to award quality kills more than AoE spamming.

Or just give more credit to those that do more kind of like what DAOC tried to do. If you splashed someone with minor damage you got minimal points for them, but if you wrecked them through heavy damage, you got a ton.

Reducing damage is fine if the number of targets get increased past 5. If the target limit remains the same, there is no reason to reduce AOE period. The big hitting area of effect abilities are small radius, can easily be dodged, and some prompt you to move out of the way in plenty of time before the hit with ground circles/animations. Not only that, the AOE abilities dont even hit that hard for the most part unless the person using them is glass cannon. If they are glass cannon, they get two shot by anyone anyways.

Too funny sir

Please note that we need primarily off NA hour players to make up for coverage shortages. Our NA crew is extremely competitive, effective, and has playing together for quite a while.

A warning though to any NA prime time players thinking of transferring to SoR. We already have queues during NA prime time and they can be quite lengthy. Consider that before any guilds with those play hours transfer here. Simply put, you will be in long queues and may not get to play with each other often.

Dude I posted at everyone that tried to kill me, not just you. I only pointed you out because you were the most stubborn about it despite the fact that you probably had the least chance of anyone that had been attacking me simply due to the class you are playing.

Its all good though. I look forward to seeing you out there in the future when we can make our points to each other in person.

TLSolomon.6083:

covenn.7165:

TC in SoR BL just now …that was freaking awesome. Thanks for that.

Overgrown tonic charge brought to you by CRZY!
We had a good laugh too, until you killed us!
Good fun!

I didnt even attack until you guys were on top of me. i was too busy enjoying the show

TC in SoR BL just now …that was freaking awesome. Thanks for that.

Atlas.6901:

I realize you weren’t using all of your abilities, but you were also giving me more opportunities to kill you than most D/D bunker eles and also doing so more often, so it seemed it was only a matter of time, which is why I kept trying.

Right. I was near the 5000 rams screwing of with everyone else and not attacking you, and repeatedly running back to you, in front of you, etc. Quite obvious I was screwing around and not even remotely close to being even somewhat serious.

I stood in your churn on purpose didnt dodge a single updraft, etc. because it wouldnt have mattered one way or another because I wasnt going to let you kill me… one way or another with escape tools up, I could always get away from you.

Anyways, not sure why we are arguing about something that wasnt even serious or why you are trying to make it serious. heh

Atlas.6901:

Yup, you were not attacking (probably smart not to multi-task immaterial damage).

Just read this a little more carefully and noticed the above.

No, I was not attacking you because I didn’t want to attack you. That’s why I was hopping and running in circles. Much of a d/d ele’s survivability (as you should know) in fact comes attacking. Not to mention that most abilities we have don’t fire while jumping anyways, which I was doing nonstop …lol

Also damage isn’t inconsequential really as a d/d ele, just spike damage is too low to get around other bunkers. I have just as much power as someone foolishly running zerker gear. I just lose spike from crit damage / extra critting (though always having fury up helps a lot on crits just not damage from them)

Anyways, I have no idea what gear you had on or how you were traited. I wasn’t really paying attention to your aura/boon and durations, nor was I throwing any conditions on you to see if you were running removal.

Not directing this at you specifically, but I can tell you that most d/d eles that arent running bunker (and mainly p/v/t gear) die fast and easy to me regardless of how hard they hit. They just cant sustain and I can negate them almost completely.

Edit: To be completely fair though, I am not a 1v1 specialist. I could care less about that aspect of the game.

Atlas, you do realize that I wasn’t using any abilities on you on for the most part. I wasn’t trying to be mean or call you bad, I am just trying to say stop hitting me

I could have used weakness on you, added more healing (via damage like cone of cold), knocked you down, stunned you, crippled you, etc. I didn’t even have regen up most of the time or cared to remove the bleed burn stacks half the time (unless by product of cleansing wave to add some health so I could keep hopping circles around you). I don’t even think I threw up frost/lightning aura much either, but things are a force of habit for me, so you may be able to answer that better. (definitely didnt throw up fire aura, kinda hard when you dont use ring of fire and magnetic grasp cause i didnt want to hit you :p )

I was hoping you would get the point that I was being completely non aggressive because I was running around the 50 bazzillion lolrams we had put up.

So grats on getting my health a little low a couple of times when I was basically doing nothing much more than dodge rolling in water and using water 5 on myself while hopping in circles.

Anyways, bunker is annoying 1v1 and cant kill anything in real gear (unless you let them kill you by being stupid) nor be killed by anything period. I agree with you there. I don’t run it for 1v1 though. My burst gear is great for bombing, but my bunker gear allows me to do more overall damage over time in a big fight. Consider that….

Wait, did I just hear that ND bandwagoned to yet another server? Hilarious.

Last night SBI and TC players I ran into while hopping around in SOR BL:

I was not attacking you on purpose so it wasn’t nice to smack me around! To the rest who got the point quicker and stopped attacking wave

To the ele running around trying to solo gank people (including me). I am a bunker ele…. you don’t have the damage on an elementalist to kill me period, even if you were in pure damage gear. After the fifth time trying you really should stop. If you want to do real damage 1v1, you might want to consider a different class or not attacking bunker builds. Edit: Oh and I wasnt attacking you back, even to CC you… Thanks!

We also have hot sounding girls with attitude in team speak.

Hills.6894:

covenn.7165:

Hills.6894:

covenn.7165:

The big fail in Hill’s logic heh.

Also 5th place isn’t winning. 1st is.

Do you understand the rating system?

Yes completely do you? Anyways, I wasn’t referring to the rating system with the second part of my comment.

Also, I was referring to the silliness and general inaccuracy of your whine/rant post in the first.

Enough clarification for you, or do I need to get elementary?

Please do get elementary. I have some time. Enlighten me.

I already did, please refer to the post I made a bit ago.

Thanks

Hills.6894:

Words… and their silly meanings. No one is saying it is bad or not. It is a word. It has a universally accepted meaning in our (gamers) community.

Truth.

What about when the word is applied inaccurately to begin with. Speaking of, your use of the word ‘truth’ isn’t even accurate.

Hills.6894:

You guys have missed the point of my post. Bandwagon has a definition. Good reasons or not if you choose to go to a matchup and pick the side with more points, that is bandwagoning.

No I think you are missing the point of my post and at least the post of one other person. Anyway you look at it, calling these guilds bandwagoners is wrong.

SOR is currently ranked 5th overall and 2nd in tier. This is where SOR was both when they decided to transfer here and when they actually transferred here. One guild transferred down over all rank and same rank in tier. One guild transferred down rank in tier and up rank overall.

Bandwagon in this case? Absolutely not. There is no way you can honestly describe either as such. If you want a true example of bandwagon, take a look at what nine dragons did. At the time of their transfer, they went from #2 to #1 in tier and #5 to #4 overall. Not only that, they did it in the middle of the match up. That my friend is the definition of bandwagon.

Hills.6894:

covenn.7165:

The big fail in Hill’s logic heh.

Also 5th place isn’t winning. 1st is.

Do you understand the rating system?

Yes completely do you? Anyways, I wasn’t referring to the rating system with the second part of my comment.

Also, I was referring to the silliness and general inaccuracy of your whine/rant post in the first.

Enough clarification for you, or do I need to get elementary?

The big fail in Hill’s logic heh.

Also 5th place isn’t winning. 1st is.