I’m at 82/83 as well…even worse is I have no clue what I need…there seems to be no checklist like int he old system. If I’m just missing it please help me out.
where the hell are you people getting 10,000 slots to store all of this gear before you salvaged it? I admit that I haven’t expanded my bank at all but kitten ..thats a lot of space
If you purchase them on the tp, you can just leave them there until you are ready to start salvaging them.
Ah..pretty smart thinking. Didn’t even cross my mind. Thanks
where the hell are you people getting 10,000 slots to store all of this gear before you salvaged it? I admit that I haven’t expanded my bank at all but kitten ..thats a lot of space
Makes me feel a little better watching this. thanks for sharing.
IMHO, I think they are revving this up to be an asian mmo with all the grinds. China on the horizon..wouldn’t doubt it. They love this stuff.
Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?
And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.
Wrong…again.
Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.
The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.
And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….
Up until someone told me that Blizzard made it so that you can see all the raids without having the gear from the previous raid, I didn’t know they did that. But before they did that recently, you had to grind out the current Raid over and over and over again till you can get the gear so you can get to the next fun part, and this has been true for every other MMO I have ever played. Guild Wars 2 is literally the first MMO I have played since 1999, that did not need any kind of grinding in order to get to the fun parts.
Arenanet set out to make a non grindy game, and they did it fantastically. Legendary are not needed for anything, ascended weapons are not needed for anything, ascended gear is only needed for Fractals, and you can get those by just completing the levels and you are not stuck on the same level of fractal till you get gear to get to the next fun part.
So no, it is not the same as every other MMO, which makes you wrong.
And as i said, you lack experience and thus make wrong claims.
Noone cares about 1999 or 5 years ago.
I was thinking the same about you, you must have been playing MMOs for less than 5 years. I have been playing MMOs since 1999, yet some how I am the one that lacks experience? =D. I have been playing MMOs for so long, that I know what a grindy game is, and Guild Wars 2 is not one. Just because there is optional grind, doesn’t mean it is a grindy game. GW2 is an optional grind, and not needed to participate and complete all content.
Spare us all, as i said noone cares about 1999. Or 5 years ago. You know nothing about what i have and have not played, and thats because noone cares.
And im glad you realized your mistake. At least something.
I made no mistake in the first place, so don’t know where you are getting “realized your mistake” I have been stating the whole time, GW2 is not a grindy game because no grind is needed to complete any of the content in order to continue on and get to the fun parts.
You seem like the type of guy that will say kitten like “oh you want that dungeon set? go grind out that dungeon..but thats optional”
“You want that legendary? go *grind*out that legendary, but thats optional
you want to get those trinkets? go grind out those dailies but thats optional.
you want those exotics? go grind out some gold or grind out some events, but thats optional.
want to go get some weapon skins? go grind out those tickets or grind those rng boxes, but thats optional.”
…..then he’ll say the fun stuff isn’t behind a grind.
Talking about playin the wrong genre…HAH!..isn’t this the game that campaigned on revolutionizing the genre? Now people like this guy are backing them up for doing what pretty much every other mmo does, and just to be clear thats perfectly fine to feel that way, but to say its not a grindy game, tho, is a load of kittens.
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also, i didn’t say your opinion doesn’t count..nice try putting words in my mouth. Trollin hard.
Sorry my mistake.. Must have misunderstood
can you please explain what you meant by this then please?
“Galens been trolling this thread for about 4 pages now putting down everyone who doesn’t agree with him.”
If you think that’s the same as saying you opinion is invalid then there’s something wrong. Your opinions fine, saying it over and over again to everyone who has a different opinion is trolling. Take a class or something if you don’t understand what words mean. That’s just something I can’t help you with.
also, i didn’t say your opinion doesn’t count..nice try putting words in my mouth. Trollin hard.
When their opinion is stated every page for 5 pages yea it does…you stated your opinion pretty far back..to keep trying to negate everyone else’s with the same opinion is definitely trolling.
The biggest problem with this that a lot of people are ignoring is they could have created new content for this gear but instead they made some mundane, boring grind. Why not just have the weapons behind points? Then I’d be able to choose the way I want to play and still work toward what I want to work toward.
Grinding mats and all that garbage is just so boring. Create something compelling, like a new dungeon or something, IDK..anything. You spend all this time on SAB why not throw some rewards behind it besides a few skins? IMHO whoever makes decisions at Anet is bonkers.
I posted this in another thread but the premise is the same:
Have you seen the upcoming changes to Teq? It promotes teamwork and coordination. I am guessing that they going for that in the “difficulty” department, instead of just bumping up numbers. And in the off chance that they do bump up numbers. I imagine the experience would to be the same as wearing rares in an exotic world. Bit of a challenge, but still doable.
If I’m not mistaken, Colin said in response to concerns about gathering 80 players to do the event that fewer skilled and very well-equipped players could manage. What he considers “very-well equipped” remains to be seen, though.
sounds like a gear check to me
why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.
OMG, it’s an mmorpg! That’s like playing a racing game and complaining about all that annoying driving!
word? i don’t think you’ve played many mmos if you believe this level of grinding is normal..in western mmo’s at least. for a company to champion the fact they are different they sure do a lot of things worse when it comes to loot.
why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.
It’s the same person messing the game up every time, that woman developer (whatever her name is) that is in charge of the loot.
She’s responsible for this grinding mess that we’re in now. She’s responsible for the fact that getting a precursor involves playing a slot machine.
If it was me, woulda sacked her a long time ago.
it’s too much…I’d hate to see someone get canned, but for the love of kitten let someone else design the systems. it’s boring farming mindlessly all day long..this game was supposed to be the game you could sign on and do whatever you want and work towards whatever you want by doing whatever you want, but really it’s just grinding and farming the easiest locations with the zergs at the expense of broken events…
kitten now all they need to do is introduce random stats rolled onto gear and there will literally be zero difference between this game and diablo 3 besides the fact that d3 doesn’t try to hide it.
why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.
yea I was hoping they put more fun into getting these items..but alas, it’s just another boring grind. this game is filled tot he brim with grind after grind after grind. Anyway, I’ll probably just keep slowly chippin away toward the legendary.
So I didn’t play Guild Wars 2 for a long time, and I decided a few days ago to get into it again.
I had never played in a living story or anything but I just finished leveling my guardian to 80 and was giving it a try with the invasion and stuff. It was really fun and stuff but the game was divided in 2 groups, the group that wanted to farm and the group that wanted to finish the event. I was just going arround in the zergs and didn’t bother with any of those 2 I was just playing for the fun.
The problem is, the 2 groups besides completly not wanting to help each others, they were just being complete and massive jerks to the others… Especially people that were just farming…
Like people would ask for help to get the scarlet side to go down and not only did the farmers not help, they were just saying stuff like: “LOOK AT ALL THIS LOOT”, and “CAN’T GET IT ALONE? 2 BAD!”
I mean, WTF? I don’t remember the community being that kittenty, what the hell happned?
This is a direct result of arenanet creating a system that rewards the lack of teamplay. if they just kept all the drops until the events were over, people would farm the events..and those who want to finish the events would get to finish them at the same time, but instead..everything drops everything so people just farm the masses instead of working towards the goal.
for example instead of having everything drop the tokens, just have enough drop at the completion of the event to make it worthwhile
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By now we all know that at PAX it was revealed how Tequatl will become a “raid boss” of sorts. What gets to me though is the requirement of 80 players minimum to succeed.
This got me wondering, why did ANet push for such a crazy amount? I mean, in theory all open world boss fights will undergo the same restructuring, which is great. However, how will this work. If 50 players take on Teq, they’ll fail. Moreover, he actually leaves now and we also don’t know how his timer will function.
I guess the battle will be made available in the LFG tool, but we’re still not sure how exactly it works. Can you apply for the event and be thrown into a group with random 5 players?
All I want to know is, with so many players needed, how will ANet allow players to fill that quota when the boss appears?
Can they even fit that many people on the same server? After this current event, I’m beginning to question it.
they don’t have a solution. they made an event that is designed to have everyone do it, yet doesn’t have the room to hold them. they could have just kept the events rolling in the overflow servers. hell, there was at least 40 of us sitting in it.
The rules of the event? That’s got to be a joke. Hopefully it isn’t true. I don’t see any rules posted in the game at all for this event…if you even say they half-measured it and just post it on the forums, then yes it is their fault. All I see in game is a message that says such and such is being attacked..so I port there..and nothings happening. If it’s too late, say it’s too late, but don’t deceive me and make me walk around confused and irritated. Post your rules on something everyone sees…like the launcher. Anyway, I’m over it..if ANet wants to hang people out to dry, then that’s just how their company operates.
You might read the patch notes before complaining as this is intended. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-August-20-2013
- Watch the World Event UI for new invasions.
- All overflow maps created within 10 minutes of the start of the invasion will host a concurrent version of that hour’s event.
What? Get over yourself. Just because something is intended doesn’t mean it’s a good system. I stand by my original assessment – it’s very poor implementation.
Every single time I log on to do this event I end up sitting on an overflow server with the words “The invasion is not active in this overflow.” bold in red on the side of my screen.
Seriously this is a problem. I’m not made up of infinite time…and if it was something where I’m just sitting there for 5 minutes, no big deal..but we are talking about hours. At one point the invasion switched to a different region before I even had a chance to get in there.
The very least you could have done is make sure the invasion IS going on in the overflow servers, because this crap is just ugly. I’ve been warming up to this game for what it is lately, and it just doesn’t bode well that I can’t even TRY to participate in the updates your company* champions around the internet. This is such shoddy implementation that I can’t even believe it made it into the live servers like this. Really..people want to do the invasions, how about making sure they actually can? Thanks.
I think they are doing really well, there are many people who have bought well over just the standard box price in gems. Multiply that by a thousands and you got $$$$. Good way to do business, making more money than those p2p games.
You can’t possibly be that naive. They may be making decent money, enough to stay profitable, but your last sentence is such a stretch. You’re comparing guaranteed money to possible money. Thinking everyone who plays buys gems alone is a stretch, thinking they do so regularly is an even bigger one.
*Especially with the ability to buy gems with in-game currency.
it is part of the game and can/should be utilized by any pvp player, it actually adds a new layer of tactics to the fights. I think it mainly is debated at all because “it wasn´t in that other game I played before…”.
Sorry if I seem rash but is this the first game you ever played? Down states have been in first person shooters for more than a decade.
Nah, more like deliberately missing my point to “prove” me wrong. Insinuating within genre here of cause. Nice try though at mock politeness.
I didn’t deliberately miss your point. The down state has been used is many games and is nothing new. That’s like saying the pvp types in this game are completely new and innovative even tho domination style gameplay has been around for years.
But I think I get what you’re saying….you are going to bring old faithful and just pin the problem on wow, right? yea it’s wow’s fault people complain about this mechanic.
it is part of the game and can/should be utilized by any pvp player, it actually adds a new layer of tactics to the fights. I think it mainly is debated at all because “it wasn´t in that other game I played before…”.
Sorry if I seem rash but is this the first game you ever played? Down states have been in first person shooters for more than a decade.
What is everyone’s opinion of the downed state in all states of the game? sPvP, WvW, PvE, etc.
I’m rather curious because it is kind of a new thing in MMO genre and my friends and I have been discussing it. This is our opinion on the matter. What is everyone elses? We’re nearing the one year anniversary of Gw2 so I feel we’ve had enough experience with this mechanic to properly gauge it’s usefulness and effectiveness in the game.
Basically we’ve come to the conclusion (just our opinions of course) that the downed state is great for leveling and event end game dungeons/PvE content. However, we feel that it should be looked at in WvW and PvP. We both agree that the rally system in these two aspects of the game could be a bit too helpful. Having a play tag a random mosquito and then it getting killed by AoE in the middle of a fight for him to rez off of is a bit ridiculous. We also feel it splits the community too much in WvW because people view lower levels as burdens and annoyances. You’re in the middle of a fight and the enemy is rallied because a level 15 was in the battle and died very quickly or was focused down. The rally mechanic also makes coming back from out-manned situations a lot harder, close to impossible depending on your classes. We believe the downed state should stay, but the rally mechanic should not stay in PvP/WvW. Force players to rez teammates or to use their rez skills. Not just rely on underleveled players or random NPCs.
I’m not a fan of it personally. I respect that they tried to do something different, and in other games like call of duty I do like having a down state, but here it just doesn’t feel right for me – and I’m almost certain it’s specifically because of the moves they give you in that state that makes me not like it so much. Just way too weak for me.
I’d honestly rather just die and respawn then sit there in a sometimes long, drawn out button mashing mess looking like the most helpless and weak creature in the game. One second I’m an amazing warrior, bashing in skulls in with my mace..the next i’m a defenseless little kitten throwing pebbles…man just typing about it sucks. At the very least it needs to be overhauled. It pretty much feels like a band-aid solution to teamwork.
OP back when I actually cared I used to farm all day, every day…every zerg event of the week, everything. I never got anything good. To tell you the truth it reminds me mostly of Diablo 3..farming forever for absolutely worthless crap. Then you take all that worthless crap and get more worthless crap out of the mystic forge. Yea…then I stopped caring. I’ll tell you what tho, it was a hell of a way to dry up my desire to play the game.
the game sort of prevents him from doing that by making mobs give virtually no xp.
So is it about exp or challenge?
Oh so you are more important then?
Listen buddy, when the game becomes to easy and boring it locks people out just the same. Not because it’s impossible to play but because you don’t want to kill your brain.
And I really don’t believe that if mobs that can be killed with just auto attack also require you to cast a heal spell once and maybe one other attack is too difficult for most people…really.
You have ways to make the game harder for yourself, but you don’t want to, instead you want to lock people out of content to make yourself feel more comfortable.
No MMO is kitten PVE mode. None. There’s no reason to change the PVE in this one either.I disagree. You are asking me to change, but so can you. I am not locking people out of content. That’s your assumption. It’s just not true. It’s what YOU fear, it’s not what I am proposing.
I have played quite a few games and always have lots of alts. This game is the one exception, because it is boring as hell to me. In GW1 I have 19 characters for example. So yes, of course I want things to change but it goes much further. This is just part of it. Too many levels, too many zones with the same stuff, boring story, poor voice acting etc. It all adds to the boredom.
I stopped playing again because it bores me. So I am excluded. You worry about people being locked out because of perceived difficulty, but don’t care about people who are locked out because it just bores the crap out of them. So tell my why I would care about what you want if you don’t care about what I want?
The truth is..if scaling actually worked properly in this game it wouldn’t lock anyone out. Even when downscaled you are 2 shotting everything at the most.
Anyway, I do find open world pve to be boring as all hell, too. Jumping puzzles are about the only fun things I can do outside of WvW
eh nothing new. wow has been giving out different types of murloc pets for years. Same thing ANet is doing. sucks you can’t get it after the conferences but I’d rather them give out something rather than nothing. Who knows maybe I’ll go one year, then I’ll get something.
WvW a bunch. I do not like that it is mostly just following a zerg, but I’m not sure if it would even be possible to implement a battle on this scale any differently so it’s not that bad. Other than that it’s jumping puzzles. I love them and can do all of them at least once a month. especially the ones where timing is a factor (disappearing ledges, etc) I think this game does those best.
But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…
…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.
Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.
Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.
No-one needs to know you. Your acidic commentary and attitude in this thread speak volumes about you.
At the very least I’m on topic…you on the other hand are out in left field sulking for some reason instead of adding anything constructive. Stop derailing the thread, please.
What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.
Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.
It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.
Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.
So you don’t mind it when its two costumes going at it, but do mind when it’s two people going at it…both of which would never include you if you wished. It’s cool to flip flop, if you want. It’s pretty clear there is no compromise with you.
Nail on head Dcypher
- Dueling cannot be in Major cities
- Dueling cannot be in Exploration zones
- Dueling cannot be invite based (A refuse all duel option isn’t enough)
- Dueling cannot have any achievements associated with it.
- Dueling needs to have it’s own zone (But not too much time spent on it)
- Dueling issues cannot be spoken of on the forums.
- Duelist must be in ridiculous costumes during duels
If all those are met then they would still have a problem with dueling. Because it comes back to they don’t like it personally and so they don’t want anyone to have it.
Yea, that’s pretty much where I was going with that. At least Vayne and a couple others wanted compromise. I don’t see what the big deal is if that list is met.
What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.
Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.
It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.
Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.
So you don’t mind it when its two costumes going at it, but do mind when it’s two people going at it…both of which would never include you if you wished. It’s cool to flip flop, if you want. It’s pretty clear there is no compromise with you.
What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.
Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.
It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.
Spamming invites or just sending an invite when someone is busy in the hope they accidentally accept. Don’t act like it doesn’t happen.
I have not seen this happen. Plus normally duels don’t mean PK and only gets you down to 1 HP, normally you wouldn’t get absolutely anything from this kind of behavior.
Point is a lot of people would want to see duels in the game. Be it in a special Spvp instanced zone where you need to have the other person in your party for you both to enter or something like that.It doesn’t make it less annoying.
And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.
Also, why must the opposition provide arguments why there shouldn’t be a dueling option while the ones actually interested cannot provide good reasons why this game actually needs it?
How would anyone get ganked? We are not talking about flagging everyone for open season. You either are going way off base for the hell of it, or don’t know what a duel is. Plenty of points for it have been established if you care to read.
Plenty of MMOs have an auto decline toggle, you would never even know you were challenged. There are plenty of ways people can troll you in-game already. use the normal safeguards…ignore, report, etc.
Not having duels at all is the safeguard we’re having right now, and I quite like it. Why must I put effort into avoiding something I don’t want rather than you putting effort in something you do want AND is available?
It doesn’t make it less annoying.
And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.
you have to pay for it weekly. If it was a one time buy, then sure we could get that, but now it’s essentially like paying a weekly subscription for one feature.
And why we need it? Why does the game need anything? Because it’s a fun thing to do with friends.Then suggest for cheaper/no costs. Still not a reason to put in a dueling option. And saying it’s fun… makes saying “it’s not fun” equally valid.
How would you have to put effort into anything more than what you do already? You wouldn’t…lame excuse. Let me guess, you also get mad when people are costume brawling right…they must be impeding your gameplay and constantly challenging you to duels.
I don’t mind costume brawls. I don’t mind them and I don’t participate in them. However, due to their design, I also don’t need to block them. And a free for all rumble is hardly a tool measuring contest like duels. Nice try, but not quite.
Nice try? So what you are really saying is if duels were implemented like costume brawls, where you needed a special tonic or something in order to challenge people, and could only challenge people who have the same tonic..then you would be fine with it? Quite right. Thanks.
But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…
…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.
Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.
Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.
Spamming invites or just sending an invite when someone is busy in the hope they accidentally accept. Don’t act like it doesn’t happen.
I have not seen this happen. Plus normally duels don’t mean PK and only gets you down to 1 HP, normally you wouldn’t get absolutely anything from this kind of behavior.
Point is a lot of people would want to see duels in the game. Be it in a special Spvp instanced zone where you need to have the other person in your party for you both to enter or something like that.It doesn’t make it less annoying.
And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.
Also, why must the opposition provide arguments why there shouldn’t be a dueling option while the ones actually interested cannot provide good reasons why this game actually needs it?
How would anyone get ganked? We are not talking about flagging everyone for open season. You either are going way off base for the hell of it, or don’t know what a duel is. Plenty of points for it have been established if you care to read.
Plenty of MMOs have an auto decline toggle, you would never even know you were challenged. There are plenty of ways people can troll you in-game already. use the normal safeguards…ignore, report, etc.
Not having duels at all is the safeguard we’re having right now, and I quite like it. Why must I put effort into avoiding something I don’t want rather than you putting effort in something you do want AND is available?
It doesn’t make it less annoying.
And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.
you have to pay for it weekly. If it was a one time buy, then sure we could get that, but now it’s essentially like paying a weekly subscription for one feature.
And why we need it? Why does the game need anything? Because it’s a fun thing to do with friends.Then suggest for cheaper/no costs. Still not a reason to put in a dueling option. And saying it’s fun… makes saying “it’s not fun” equally valid.
How would you have to put effort into anything more than what you do already? You wouldn’t…lame excuse. Let me guess, you also get mad when people are costume brawling right…they must be impeding your gameplay and constantly challenging you to duels.
Spamming invites or just sending an invite when someone is busy in the hope they accidentally accept. Don’t act like it doesn’t happen.
I have not seen this happen. Plus normally duels don’t mean PK and only gets you down to 1 HP, normally you wouldn’t get absolutely anything from this kind of behavior.
Point is a lot of people would want to see duels in the game. Be it in a special Spvp instanced zone where you need to have the other person in your party for you both to enter or something like that.It doesn’t make it less annoying.
And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.
Also, why must the opposition provide arguments why there shouldn’t be a dueling option while the ones actually interested cannot provide good reasons why this game actually needs it?
How would anyone get ganked? We are not talking about flagging everyone for open season. You either are going way off base for the hell of it, or don’t know what a duel is. Plenty of points for it have been established if you care to read.
Plenty of MMOs have an auto decline toggle, you would never even know you were challenged. There are plenty of ways people can troll you in-game already. use the normal safeguards…ignore, report, etc.
You and an entire demographic is quite a stretch. But there I go being unreasonable again…
Opinions are good, yes and you do only speak for yourself, but that doesn’t mean you have to act oblivious to other people. Somehow for poking holes I am the one who looks self serving…oook. I’d like compromise too. If you look at the system as a system and not a package that brings along every bad thing that’s ever happened with it, you can see the benefits. That, to me, is no where near being unreasonable.
I’m not saying everyone agrees with me, I know they don’t. I just really feel like what I’m saying is common sense – that it is selfish to deny an entire system based on preconception and some experience someone had in goldshire in vanilla wow years ago before safeguards were put in place. All of a sudden anyone who wants to duel turns into a 14 year old who just wants to troll everyone.. Dueling does not have to be packaged with that.
I mean really this speaks volumes about how much faith everyone has in arenanet to implement something that wouldn’t turn out to be what people are fearing. They are perfectly capable of implementing a system that would allow duels without the ruckus. They already have shown that they are willing to do things with their own style, so why wouldn’t they be able to do this the same way?
Just for interest’s sake how do you feel about dueling in PvE gear in either an arena where people can spectate or in a designated area that is apart from PvE with no option to invite someone not in that area?
As for faith in Anet- I do have faith in Anet to do what is best for all people who play their game.
The fact that dueling doesn’t exist in open world after a year might be an indication that they do not think it is such a good idea
I would not mind if dueling was an instanced area or arena. I think it would be very popular with people, especially with those who are teaching others how to hone their skills against different class setups. Dueling in PVE gear would be fine. The only problem I see is if they were to implement dueling in a manner where it becomes it’s own area with the ability for others to spectate, then it becomes bigger than just dueling…and would more than likely have achievements tied to it, which would in turn make it mandatory for some people. That’s where it would go from a good idea to bad.
yea this game is definitely casual, and back when it was my main game I really hated how casual it is. But I guess it is kinda nice having an mmo I own and can just check in whenever to see whats up without having to pay any more money. The downside to this is I just get bored really fast. I’ve logged maybe 4 hours this entire month mostly because I just can’t find anything to keep me actively engaged. Most of that time is just running around with the zerg in WvW, the only thing that seems to be able to keep me online for a bit.
I’m not against dueling with restrictions.
That said, posters who say something to the effect that, “Your desire to not have dueling is selfish, but my desire to have dueling is right and wonderful.” are not doing their side of the discussion any favors. This is a game. Everyone has wants. No one’s wants are more important than anyone else’s. Trying to disenfranchise others by calling them selfish — or any other negative — is a sign of immaturity.
Immaturity? Oh Please, I barely even stated my wants if you read. All I did was poke holes in arguments that are based on preconceptions and complete disregard for people who may benefit from the system.
You and an entire demographic is quite a stretch. But there I go being unreasonable again…
Opinions are good, yes and you do only speak for yourself, but that doesn’t mean you have to act oblivious to other people. Somehow for poking holes I am the one who looks self serving…oook. I’d like compromise too. If you look at the system as a system and not a package that brings along every bad thing that’s ever happened with it, you can see the benefits. That, to me, is no where near being unreasonable.
I’m not saying everyone agrees with me, I know they don’t. I just really feel like what I’m saying is common sense – that it is selfish to deny an entire system based on preconception and some experience someone had in goldshire in vanilla wow years ago before safeguards were put in place. All of a sudden anyone who wants to duel turns into a 14 year old who just wants to troll everyone.. Dueling does not have to be packaged with that.
I mean really this speaks volumes about how much faith everyone has in arenanet to implement something that wouldn’t turn out to be what people are fearing. They are perfectly capable of implementing a system that would allow duels without the ruckus. They already have shown that they are willing to do things with their own style, so why wouldn’t they be able to do this the same way?
Funny how all I read was a bunch of I’s and me’s in there. MMOs are bigger than you. Selfishness if you ask me. Some intense fear of someone challenging you to a duel that you’d probably be able to default decline anyway is irrational if you ask me.
Not a big fan of Mr Vayne here but to be fair, I prefer the I’s and me’s because it’s more honest to speak about yourself than an imaginary group of people that you think you represent. In the end we can only give our own opinion and let the rest pitch in and then we can see where the opinions lie.
I am not against him sharing his opinion, that’s fine. I just feel the big picture gets lost when you start talking all about yourself while seemingly forgetting that there are thousands of different players.
The truth is if dueling was implemented the right way it should never effect him or anyone else who doesn’t want to do it. Somewhere off in the corner or in a pit somewhere, who knows. The only way they could really drop the ball is if they attached achievements to it which they should absolutely not do if they decide to create something at all.
all i see here is a bunch of ‘i don’t want dueling because someone else might challenge me sometime’. if you are that afraid of other people, then I don’t think mmo’s are your thing. Part of a game being an mmo is having a bunch of different people who like to do different things. If someone else wants to duel then I don’t see the big deal. Decline.
Acting like it’s going to all of a sudden open up some huge troll invasion to spoil your fun is so unrealistic and to be honest a bit selfish. There are plenty of ways for people to troll you already in the game, so if you haven’t been effected as of yet then chances are you won’t be in the future.
I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy, but all I see is people who want some kind of implementation of a system that can absolutely be beneficial to a lot of players in their quest to hone their skills and then a bunch of people who are against it because they fear player interaction. Then again, I guess there is really no legitimate defense to something you wouldn’t be required to participate in.
Maybe you missed the old days of Goldshire in WoW, where people would stand to challenge players to duels, whether you wanted to duel or not. And if you didn’t duel they’d follow you around, jump up and down on top of you, try to steal your kills.
It’s not the dueling itself that’s the problem, it’s the idiots who think the option to duel means the right to grief. It appeals to a certain type of player. Guild Wars 1 didn’t have dueling ever. Because it was aimed at a different sort of player.
It’s nice to believe that all the people who are against it are simply against it because they don’t want you to have fun…but it’s not true.
People are against it because they’ve had bad experience with the dueling rif-raff in the past.
Oh..Goldshire. What’s that..one place in a whole world of places? Goldshire..the level 5 zone that you spend about 20 minutes in total? Referencing the 2006 version of wow to prove a point against dueling. Yea..that makes sense. Good thing for you people can’t steal kills in this game. I can log on right now and grief you if I wanted to. What would you do? Ignore me, most likely..report me..whatever. So what exactly would change in that if dueling was added? Nothing. Ergo..you figure out the rest.
What would change is giving people a reason to talk to me in game in the first place. Complete strangers who have no reason to talk to me now.
Unlike some people, I don’t pug. I hang out with my guild. We have 120 members, most of whom I quite like, and no one that I dislike. It’s a pretty good gig. So I spend time talking to my guild, hanging out with my guild…and I wouldn’t even mind if I could duel in guild, because if I told someone in my guild no, they’d leave me alone.
But I don’t want to be forced to interact with 14 year olds who happen to want to duel me just because. I don’t want to play that game.
I used the Goldshire example, because people know it. There are other examples I could have used from over the years but not too many, because generally, I stay away from that crowd or games that try to force you to PvP. In fact, one of the reasons I hated Rift was the stupid PvP stuff spilling over into my PvE server. I didn’t want it, I didn’t like it and after 3, maybe 4 months, I left that game. Too much nonsense, because the company wanted to mix PvE and PvP. It took away from the game as a whole for me (and no that wasn’t the only reason I left, but it was one of them).
The bottom line is, you can disparage my example all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want dueling in the open world. I have no problem having dueling arenas where people can go and duel.
That’s called a compromise. Funny how those in favor of dueling aren’t willing to compromise, where I am, even though I have no interest in dueling.
Funny how all I read was a bunch of I’s and me’s in there. MMOs are bigger than you. Selfishness if you ask me. Some intense fear of someone challenging you to a duel that you’d probably be able to default decline anyway is irrational if you ask me.
Compromise is fine..and I don’t think anyone is asking for anything more than some kind of implementation. Arenanet can put whatever kind of spin on it they want..whether it be out in the open or somewhere designated…some kind of training grounds..whatever. Other people, like yourself, are just assuming it’s going to be goldshire 2006.
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Ok one last time. Someone answer please. Why the flying monkey kitten does it have to be across all PvE. Are you so busy that you don’t have time to go to a designated arenas or areas? If that’s the case why do I have to go to the mists for WvW?
@ dcypher You apparently didn’t read the thread or ignored arguments against dueling across all of PvE. It doesn’t matter this thread will be merged with all of the other dueling threads just like mounts, guild housing etc.
Not quite. I read the whole thing. You seem to think dueling is just going to flag everyone for pvp or something. OMG you might walk past a couple people fighting each other. Day must be ruined.
and just to note, no one is saying it has to be anywhere specifically or that it can’t be a designated area. I’m sure that’d be fine…people are just talking about the implementation of it period.
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all i see here is a bunch of ‘i don’t want dueling because someone else might challenge me sometime’. if you are that afraid of other people, then I don’t think mmo’s are your thing. Part of a game being an mmo is having a bunch of different people who like to do different things. If someone else wants to duel then I don’t see the big deal. Decline.
Acting like it’s going to all of a sudden open up some huge troll invasion to spoil your fun is so unrealistic and to be honest a bit selfish. There are plenty of ways for people to troll you already in the game, so if you haven’t been effected as of yet then chances are you won’t be in the future.
I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy, but all I see is people who want some kind of implementation of a system that can absolutely be beneficial to a lot of players in their quest to hone their skills and then a bunch of people who are against it because they fear player interaction. Then again, I guess there is really no legitimate defense to something you wouldn’t be required to participate in.
Maybe you missed the old days of Goldshire in WoW, where people would stand to challenge players to duels, whether you wanted to duel or not. And if you didn’t duel they’d follow you around, jump up and down on top of you, try to steal your kills.
It’s not the dueling itself that’s the problem, it’s the idiots who think the option to duel means the right to grief. It appeals to a certain type of player. Guild Wars 1 didn’t have dueling ever. Because it was aimed at a different sort of player.
It’s nice to believe that all the people who are against it are simply against it because they don’t want you to have fun…but it’s not true.
People are against it because they’ve had bad experience with the dueling rif-raff in the past.
Oh..Goldshire. What’s that..one place in a whole world of places? Goldshire..the level 5 zone that you spend about 20 minutes in total? Referencing the 2006 version of wow to prove a point against dueling. Yea..that makes sense. Good thing for you people can’t steal kills in this game. I can log on right now and grief you if I wanted to. What would you do? Ignore me, most likely..report me..whatever. So what exactly would change in that if dueling was added? Nothing. Ergo..you figure out the rest.
yea i agree..took me about 20 mins to figure out what to do..then I went to genderran fields and it said to wait until I can switch realms because it wasn’t attacking this realm..waited for 20 minutes then logged out. Nice way to waste an hour of my life, though.
all i see here is a bunch of ‘i don’t want dueling because someone else might challenge me sometime’. if you are that afraid of other people, then I don’t think mmo’s are your thing. Part of a game being an mmo is having a bunch of different people who like to do different things. If someone else wants to duel then I don’t see the big deal. Decline.
Acting like it’s going to all of a sudden open up some huge troll invasion to spoil your fun is so unrealistic and to be honest a bit selfish. There are plenty of ways for people to troll you already in the game, so if you haven’t been effected as of yet then chances are you won’t be in the future.
I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy, but all I see is people who want some kind of implementation of a system that can absolutely be beneficial to a lot of players in their quest to hone their skills and then a bunch of people who are against it because they fear player interaction. Then again, I guess there is really no legitimate defense to something you wouldn’t be required to participate in.
lol i love all the responses that just say ‘i don’t want dueling in open world’ without any kind of explanation at all. Having people out in the open world actually doing something besides farming champions is a bad thing I suppose.
This is all just a marketing ploy to ramp up interest for release in China. I mean c’mon guys how gullible can you be? What other company gauges numbers in a 9 month time frame. Regardless if the game is doing well or not, this is clearly just a marketing campaign.