I hit 80 and had a look at some of the runes i can use in my armour…
The prices are crazy!!! 8+ gold for a single Superior Divinity rune!!! Is this to force people to use the cash shop? :-(
That’s nothing! How can anyone justify 450 gold for a single item? most of the legendary stuff can’t be bought without spending real world money on gems – and as much as I enjoy GW2 I am NOT spending more money after buying the collector’s edition !
If you check the general forum, there are people who have over 1500hours of playtime. If you take a (low) average of 1g an hour… well
Quick Note:
GW2 Spidy is not hacking, they are not doing anything illegal, it’s a fantastic site.
May I use similar method to obtain automated info to use in an out of game notification tool?
As long as it is read only access of information available to the public anyways you surely can ( I realize your post was a try in sarcasm but as the other posters already said spidy even provides the source to use).
It actually wasn’t sarcasm. Spidy is not exactly real time and idk if using such open source info with a diagnostic tool is frown upon (i have too much vested in my account to risk it). Basically it would turn tp flipping/investing into a color by numbers type of activity as the out of game program would do all the number crunching in real time as well.
You probably can’t get the whole market data real time- as you’d have to send too many queries to the server to keep it 100% current.
You wouldn’t need the whole market data if you were specializing in flipping just a few items.
True but than you’d only have a very small market window.
Flippable items are usually very volatile and the items that can be flipped quickly enough to make real time analyses an issue (like runes and sigils) change very often. And even with 20 items you’d be on the verge of getting blacklisted for a DOS. If you’d keep those queries running all the time. Try hammering a webserver with a small amount of queries who come in short time stamps and see how long it will take till you’r ip is blacklisted there
edit But this is just speculation I don’t know how the server from anet is configed nor have I looked at gw2spidys api
Quick Note:
GW2 Spidy is not hacking, they are not doing anything illegal, it’s a fantastic site.
May I use similar method to obtain automated info to use in an out of game notification tool?
As long as it is read only access of information available to the public anyways you surely can ( I realize your post was a try in sarcasm but as the other posters already said spidy even provides the source to use).
It actually wasn’t sarcasm. Spidy is not exactly real time and idk if using such open source info with a diagnostic tool is frown upon (i have too much vested in my account to risk it). Basically it would turn tp flipping/investing into a color by numbers type of activity as the out of game program would do all the number crunching in real time as well.
You probably can’t get the whole market data real time- as you’d have to send too many queries to the server to keep it 100% current.
Quick Note:
GW2 Spidy is not hacking, they are not doing anything illegal, it’s a fantastic site.
May I use similar method to obtain automated info to use in an out of game notification tool?
As long as it is read only access of information available to the public anyways you surely can ( I realize your post was a try in sarcasm but as the other posters already said spidy even provides the source to use).
The 8g comes from supply and demand. The rune is rare and provides a flat bonus thats usefull to all classes and all playstyles (there are better combinations for nearly every build, but those require to spend time thinking out your builds).
Dropped exotics aren’t cheap either- so you got to 80 and you look at the high-end items and wonder about the high prizes? Do you complain about the prize of a porsche as well or are content to buy a smaller one as soon as you get your drivers licence?
The market is way too player controlled, too easily inflated, too unfair for people with lives that actually wanna play the game.
It takes me 10 minutes to set up my buy orders, another 10 to set up my sell orders.
The market is a great place for people who don’t have the time to spend hours grinding but spend minutes thinking and analysing.
Don’t do quests over your level on your first char. There are more than enough zones in the game with quests so that you could always be even higher in level than the quests are.
If you can’t beat quests on your level or lower than sorry but you need to spend more time with learnng the very basics- like pressing the skill buttons 1-5 in the right order.
In my humble opinion AH manipulation is the best thing this game offers.
Highest challenge and highest reward.
And to all those who say “wut it isn’t hard” yeah no kitten, but compare it to the rest of the game.
The only people complaining about it are usually those who don’t have the very basic economic knowledge to participate.
In every MMO with a market institution the fastest way to make money is playing the auction house. Buying low, selling high- buying complete stocks to decrease supply. Basics.
And in every MMO you get ignorant people like the OP who want to force people to play the game the way they think it should be.
Whacking mobs all day and than selling to the next NPC?
If it takes no effort to play the tp you wouldn’t post here. It takes effort. Its more than simply clicking button a so that action b is taken. Take a basic course in economies to learn about the effort.
but you also would not have profited from it so in the end, no bounce no play
The problem is that it would allow people to use the TP as a storage by putting in things at a ridiculous price. And considering that ANet is selling bank space for Gems, it’s going to stay that way.
The other problem would be that you wouldn’t have to think about the prizes at which you put up your items. If you list an item at an fatanstic prize which noone is willing to pay it hurts you as you have to relist at a more reasonable rate.
There would also be a constant undercutting, as everyone would simply cancel their offer once they aren’t lowest seller and relist again to be the cheapest one.
According to you guys – the economy and the game as a whole would crash without you.
Traders coming up with excuses from all over the rainbow to justify an unethical fake supply / demand.
You guys deserve a medal, no, two actually.
Like several people have already pointed out- the tp is the biggest money sink in the game. The amount of money in the game is constantly rising.
Contrary to other games there are no required money sinks in the game (In almost all games those money sinks come in the form of mounts and the required skills to use them).
So take a minute and imagine how the market would act if people would only buy only what they could use, the prizes wouldn’t be regulated (traders buying undderprized goods etc.) and the amount of trading would have a drastic decline in general.
Yawn. Someone who spends the time to gather materials and forge something should be rewarded higher than someone who spends time studying markets… Great argument.
Again different ways to play the game ( I could add grinding dungeons etc etc.). All completely legit.
And in every MMO you have traders. In every MMO you have AH fees. See skys post.
I don’t even want to start imagine what you would say against OPEC, deBeers etc with your oppinion of “parasites” and “exploits”.
So again to sum it up your ONLY argument is “My way of how the game should be played and add rewards”.
Nice. Cause now I’m laughing a lot too !
The same stupid argument that all exploiters, botter, and any prohibeted behaviour guys, use again and again until they get banned.
The topic here isn’t about a punishable behaviour, but the argument is still stupid.
There are lots and lots of ways of playing gw other than mine, without having to exploit anything. And if people really only enjoy manipulating market to get money without playing the game, why don’t they play an economy game instead of a mmo, where only plain bad faith and hypocrisy can let them say that they just have their own way of playing the game. And the fact that it exists everywhere is not an argument either. Botters exist everywhere, and everyone agrees that they are bad.
Please use real arguments to explain me WHY this behaviour is legitimate, and isn’t bad at all for the economy/the community.
Oh, and forgot … you dared say “I only read 3 lines of you posts, not any of your arguments explaining why you think that this is bad” … so there is not even any discussion, a guy who doesn’t read and understand other’s arguments can only be wrong.
People who posted before you had arguments. Real ones. Which is why I made a real response, instead of calling them stupid like i’m doing with you.
@SET : anything involving crafthing or mystic forge isn’t the topic : as I explained earlier, I have no problem with that :-) . You add value because of the time you spend, or the craft profession you use, or the skill points (or other soul/account bound things) you add, or the risk you take, or at least the time needed (see your example about 1500 rares to try and get a precursor).
The only behavior I really want to stop is the one where you buy something and sell that exact same thing later for a higher price. (and I knew before I posted that most of the guys who would reply would be the ones who exploit this, so I’ll be alone vs all no matter what arguments I can use ^^)
So playing the market is exploiting now. It gets better and better. You are talking about arguments and yet you have none. Not a single one.
A working economy of supply and demand is part of every MMO. That requires a central place where people sell and buy goods. If some people find playing the economic part of the game more interesting than playing the hacking&slaying part of it than what? See. Beside insults you have nothing beside: “But its bad!”.
And your argument of time and value is that of someone who has too much time and wants time to be the only factor to mean anything. Play an Asiagrinder if you like but don’t insult people from your imaginary high horse with your complete lack of knowledge of MMOs and also the real world- as several people have pointed out, the markets in the real world behave exactly the same way.
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And no I won’t bother in earnest with someone who throws insults around as freely as you do. And the post of you I quoted displayed exactly what you promised in the first post. Nothing in terms of arguments. This is a game and it has several ways to be played. If you don’t like some of the ways don’t play them. But do not dictate others how the game is supposed to be played in your oppinion. You can play a singleplayer game if you want to know esxactly what you can expect.
Also look up the definition of an exploit in regards of games (espescially MMOs) before embarassing yourself any further.
My idea is that traders in GW2 are nothing more than parasites (while in gw1 they could bring added value because of their work, in gw2 they are useless because of TP), and they exploit the TP to get money out of the community.
Read till here.
Shook my head and laughed at just another person who thinks that everyone has to play the game the way they want to due to their own lack/unwillignness to accept that other people enjoy MMOs in different ways.
You have traders in every single MMO with a tradeingpost/ah/galactic market. I espescially liked the insult you out in there.
There is a reason behind 250 stack limit. and it is a technical reason.
To store items, you need a number to represent the stack size.
To store this number, you need to allocate memory for it. (in database, network, computer ram, etc)
To store 256 unique value you need 8 bits, which is 1 Byte of data.
To allow stack size of 9999 would require 40 Byte of memory to store just 1 stack.
Think of memory allocation as planning for space to put the box. even if you have only 2 candy corn in the box, the computer still has to allocate 40 Byte of memory for the entire box.
So 250 happens to be a nice pretty number that can fit into a small box.
1. It is much easier to shift small boxes around.
2. It is a more efficient use of the warehouse space.
Uhm.
Or you use an unsigned short that can store up to 65,535 in 2 bytes.
The TP is a website that you can access thru simple html requests
You don’t seem to have very technical knowledge of programming. But trust me, OCR has nothing to do with it, you can pull all data from a request to the website, you don’t have to get the coordinate of anything within the game client, as all requests are sent thru html
The “algo” thing you mention is irrelevant, as humans do the same thing, the bot would simply relist every few days, as a regular player would.
I’d suggest you do more research. I know for a fact that they exist. Don’t ask me how.
I work as a senior programmer. I also suggest you try to sell anything via the webinterface. AFAIK its not fully operational yet. And google what an algorithm (short form algo) is. You are also on ignore as I don’t waste my time with children thanks.
You are also welcome to search for any item and try to get he plain text from the html. And than wonder why you won’t find it and the html won’t change regardless of your selections.
Some people are just insanely jealous. The casuals want everything handed to them right now – gold, legendaries, e.t.c.
“I want everything at the tip of my fingertips with zero effort”
Which is exactly what 3rd party programs like GWSpidy do.
Chew on that irony for a bit.
Erm. Weakest retord ever.
Beside that what hinders you to use gwspidy and earn all that money? Maybe because its not as simple as that due to the fact that everyone visits gw2spidy anyways? So everyone should be a zillionaire ingame.
If you are interested in making a profit on the tp you do research. While you do that research you stumble over gw2spidy. So everyone has the same tools, if they put the same effort into it (its the first hit in google…. seriously…)
I’m not sure how allowing 3rd party programs access to in-game information, such that other players can gain an in-game advantage via automated analysis of the Trading Post (which may or may not be negatively impacting the game economy) be considering botting.
/sarcasm
You mean going to the website and sorting after margin? Sounds like rocket science so only a small crowd of the gw2 players can do it. And that small crowd must use bots and scripts for sure to do so!
Yeah, and Goldman Sachs is using E-trade for all their operations…
You understand that it’s extremely likely that the real robber barons of the TP are using their own, more complex programs to analyze the TP and take advantage of it from there, right?
If the information is attainable, people with the correct talents are going to take advantage of it. And with access to the information, they can essentially automate analysis piece, which gives them a huge advantage over people who aren’t relying on third party tools.
Yes everyone and there mother is using 3rd party programs and tools to rip you of.
Whats it with all the conspiracy theories about tp bots and the like in these days. Someone is making a profit which you aren’t/can’t so they must be cheating/having access to tools you don’t have. Or maybe they just have a degree in economy. Or played enough MMOs to understand the markets in them…
This also hinders real players, but that hindrance to slow down botting is acceptable, imo.
Most silly argument ever made. How about preventing bots, while not hindering players? I dont understand why gamers so readilly accept limitations under false pretenses that its for their own good.
Ever went through security before entering a concert? Did you complain there as well that they only should hinder the people who have knifes/bottles etc?
I’m not sure how allowing 3rd party programs access to in-game information, such that other players can gain an in-game advantage via automated analysis of the Trading Post (which may or may not be negatively impacting the game economy) be considering botting.
/sarcasm
You mean going to the website and sorting after margin? Sounds like rocket science so only a small crowd of the gw2 players can do it. And that small crowd must use bots and scripts for sure to do so!
Lol tp flipping is mind boggingly easy. You could program the bot to crawl sites like gw2spidy for items with a big gap between sell and buy, program the bot to place buy orders here and there, and then cancel them after a few days, then place sell orders at 1c less, and refresh them every few days.
Very simple programming task, there’s no real “AI” involved, so much as just doing some math and repetitive functions.
EDIT And since you edited your post to add a PS, let me respond that gw2spidy contains all that info, readily formatted and accessible thru APIs.
Programming a bot that buys and sells thru data mined from gw2spidy is a trivial task for a competent programmer.
Yes and an ocr that recognizes Buy/sell walls and basically everything else (like where your bids are placed, how many items that bid still has, how many items you bought, where they are at in your inventory and in which order they appeared from the tp)
Oh and you’d have to manually get the coordinates for the complete tp interface to position your mouse so you can even begin to enter values.
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Several algos that detect market manipulation (if a bot would flip somewhere a real person flips that bot would waste his money to a smart person in a matter of minutes). Fake bids etc etc.
Those are just examples to show you that there is a bit more to programming than people who have no clue think.
edit this is not meant as the beginning of “things you have to take care of if you plan to code a bot”. Its only a few examplles
Who are you to dictate people how to play the game? Some people enjoy playing the markets and using an MMO as an economic simulation. Just because you can’t/don’t want to do it it shouldn’t be doable?
Your suggestion would lead to people having to grind for their money. Sounds amazing.
Bottom line – the TP is the number 1 source to make money here, by far and uncontested. Again, perception is key – should I feel obliged to have to use the TP to get anywhere? Why don’t we make PvP the number one moneymaker? Before you answer – this would mean that the TP would not be the number one moneymaker anymore.
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In all MMOs I have played the fastest way to make money is the trading post/auction house/galactic market/whatever.
Even if you choose to grind you sell your items not to the NPC for the maximum profit, no you list them on the market. What about crafting, thats a part of the TP as well, as where do you sell your goods…
An MMO lifes from the interaction between players- economies is a part of that interaction. And for that to work even remotely well in MASSIVE multiplayer games you need central institutions like trading posts.
No argument here, but ask yourself what the gold bought you in those other games and what it does here. The gap is simply incredible large and I’ve never seen prices soar like here. Yes, a trading post is vital, did I say anywhere get rid of it entirely?
In other games you had huge advantages as you always had the best gear available. In this game the difference between exotic and legendary is not a real issue.
As it is only one slot as it is anyways.
So what advantage do I have with tons of gold? None really. Getting a fullruned exotic with weapon and trinkets is around 50g. You don’t need to play the tp to get that amount.
A legenendary is a luxury article primary aquired for the skins- not because it gives you a real advantage.
Bottom line – the TP is the number 1 source to make money here, by far and uncontested. Again, perception is key – should I feel obliged to have to use the TP to get anywhere? Why don’t we make PvP the number one moneymaker? Before you answer – this would mean that the TP would not be the number one moneymaker anymore.
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In all MMOs I have played the fastest way to make money is the trading post/auction house/galactic market/whatever.
Even if you choose to grind you sell your items not to the NPC for the maximum profit, no you list them on the market. What about crafting, thats a part of the TP as well, as where do you sell your goods…
An MMO lifes from the interaction between players- economies is a part of that interaction. And for that to work even remotely well in MASSIVE multiplayer games you need central institutions like trading posts.
There are indeed different ways of making money on the tp (e.g. flipping, market manipulation, long time speculation etc. etc.).
To get an overview i’d recommend visiting http://www.gw2spidy.com/ .
Its one of the tools no real power trader can do without, especially in the beginning.
Endgame mat prizes are reacting to supply and demand (as are all mats). Mithril for example spiked hard recently. And people are and will always be crafting- be it for salvaging for ectos or equipping twinks or new players working for their first exotic set.
New crafting recipes introduced etc etc.
Take games like wow which has been out for years now. There is still supply and demand for the crafting mats of all tiers. As long as there is a healthy population there will always be a working market.
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It was a pretty simple credit check and signing of paperwork last time I bought something with in-store credit. It wasn’t that big of a deal. It’s obvious ArenaNet is capable of offering a service and a product to several million players with different currencies and different laws or they wouldn’t have been able to launch the game in those countries.
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They are offering a product depending on one time payment for aquisition with the option to add further small payments where you excahnge money directly for virtual goods.
You can not compare that to the complex credit process with interest etc. You mentioned it yourself- you did paperwork and a simple credit check.
Now multiply that for several million players, add security meassures against scammers and gold sellers. I still don’t see the problem of charging your mastercard for it if you want a credit for a virtual good.
Leaving the arguments marnick already put up (which are all valid), how do you think such a system would work? GW2 is a game that is shipped worldwide.
So you are suggesting a credit system operated by a gaming company that should span the whole world? Thats just to show how completely absurd that idea is when you even try to consider legal involvements etc. I am sure Anet will happily spend a few years to plan the necessary infastructure required for something like that- did you ever go through the process to aquire a credit at a bank?
Or even when you bought that 400€ tv on rates? And you want to offer that to several million players with different currencies?
The only fee that someone trying to temporarily manipulate the market needs to take into account is the 5% listing fee….at least in my example above. That player doesn’t intend to actually SELL the item, they only want to LIST it so that people will undercut him.
Once he gets the number of undercutters he wants, he’ll pull his listing and BUY!!!
I wonder how many people will try doing this now….and how many of those people will come back complaining about how they lost all their money.
The theory I described above CAN work, but it involves risk and analysis. If anyone tries doing it without understanding the risk, or without doing the research, don’t be surprised if you lose your shirt.
What JSmoth meant was that the artificially created gap must void the 15% fee that the buyer has to pay (in total) after he bought the goods and sells them again for profit.
If that profit is not over the 15% range all that maneuver did was generate a loss and raise the floor that the manipulateur lowered himself. So you have to undercut by a huge margin, hope that someone else undercuts you again before your product is sold, and than wait (hope) for others to adjust their prizes before the floor is raised again.
You can’t and Anet won’t do anything if you are scammed by mailtrading. They implemented the tp as the only reliable source of trading between accounts. If you trade outside of the platform they provide for you it is at your own risk.
No really, someone else will simply undercut me by 1c. If I undercut by 20s, they have to think twice before doing so. Do they want to take the loss, or do they want to undercut me? Or they could buy me out, which I want, faster sells, higher return on my investment.
Most people don’t even look at the amount the second lowest seller differs from the lowest. (I am talking about people who buy for using the items)
So all you do by undercutting by 20s is adding a huge bump into the road as the person after you will simply undercut by 1c again (if he has a clue). As again while using the quickselling screen you will only see the lowest value listed. Not that the guy before you undercut by 20s.
So your argument is flawed beyond reason. I always shake my head when I see those prize bumps. You won’t sell faster or hinder anyone from undercutting you.
All you are doing is drive down the value of the item.
Why click the sell button when you have no gems to sell? doesnt make sense.
Because only fools invest into markets they haven’t verified.
The rates need to be different.
You’ve learned an important lesson today; always know what you’re investing in and the conditions of your expected returns.
This. If you make an investment in the range you did and didn’t even bother to check the markets potential, development etc. than you can only blame yourself.
@wild.
Yes you are again not understanding the point we raised. The whole thread discussed the utility a warrior can bring to a group and you come up with soloing cursed shores? Sry but responding to you is hopeless and pointless.
And my point is that any build I use needs to be versitile, hense why I am running around Cursed Shore killing undead, testing the versitility of the build. I dont want to have to retrait several times a day just to meet the needs of the group. If I can find a build that works for all situations I find myself in then the better it is for all.
You test the versatality by trying different things. I never had trouble pulling whole event waves in orr while running Yojack build. Your killspeed will be lower but you will have a higher TTL as you are far more durable.
You do realize that you don’t just run to the mobs and hit them while you stand infront of them? Read description for last WH skill….
Why care about going down, if people ress you? And if they don’t, just blame them for not ressing you.
There are no clear roles and there’s another thread here about how the trait system is bad. You tell me if it’s a good choice for Anet to give an effect that rewards using multiple signets if that is in fact a bad build?
Don’t be so depressed
And at the second part, I don’t deny the value of sigil builds for leveling or single player play. Yup and as there are no clear roles speccing into a clear DPS role as a signet warrior with nothing else should give pause to think as like we both mentioned without trinity you have no tank so you should stand a few hits, no healer so you should be able to dispell yourself and no clear supporter. So you’d best grab everything you can for a well rounded build.
@wild.
Yes you are again not understanding the point we raised. The whole thread discussed the utility a warrior can bring to a group and you come up with soloing cursed shores? Sry but responding to you is hopeless and pointless.
Also in answering of the post regarding signets (yes I believe in broadening ppls horizon) a quote from another thread (not written by me):
Take a look at 2 similar skills: Signet of might vs For Great Justice. Signet of might gives you a passive 90 Power at all times, as well as 40 prec if traited for (which most signet builds do). For Great Justice gives you 105 power at all times, as well as fury (20% crit chance) for about a 3rd of the time. FGJ also benefits your entire party, meaning you can maintain +525 power collectively at all times, as well as add some fury uptime to everyone. If you trait healing shouts, Not only will FGJ also heal everyone, but you can maintain 2 stacks of it a 3rd of the time due to the +boon duration. I think its pretty obvious which one is better based on that. So even in a SIGNET BUILD, FGJ IS A BETTER SKILL. This is why people dislike seeing signet build warriors. Its a huge tell that the player does not know what hes doing really.
Try landing those blades while the boss is either moving or hitting you. On the first case you will hit 1-2 hits on the second youll be dead before your antimation is finnished.
If you want to farm orr, blades is your wet dream, for everything else there are better ways.
Signet build means warrior does alot of damage, kills faster, and generally able to handle 6 foes at once without much issue with the high crit dmg.
Shout build is more for others who don’tplay warrior but want warrior level dmg, while reducing warriors own dmg output.
Simply put, the whole “OMG, you are selfish” argument is more a “OMG, help ME do more damage while you do less” …
This game does not allow to easily have seperate builds for seperate areas of the game. As a warrior who plays most aspects of the game (dislike sPvP) my signet build works for me.
This is what matters, what works for a persons playing style. If you want more damage, dont rely on others to give it, retrait, refit, and re-equip to give yourself more damage, and dont demand that warriors reduce theirs to your benifit.
I beginn to even agree with the phrasing of hell. All you are saying is damage damage damage. The stereotype of a signet warrior.
Your argumentation is not even worth mentioning as an argumentation as it really is again: “Me doez teh damage imba critz”.
I demand someone in a group be able to pull his weight and that means more than nice damage numbers and expecting the rest of the group to watch out for him.
Being an asset to a group means more than having the highest DPS. Espescially in a game without a holy trinity where everyone has to be sulf sufficient.
Sounds like a bunch of jealous noobs that need soldier gear to stay alive in these piss easy dungeons to me.
Even if the warrior dies a few times in the fight, he does like triple your pathetic damage, doesn’t matter if you have 100% dps uptime at 1k dmg an attack.
Get carried more.
Yes and he does that because the rest of the party can’t dps as its ressing the warrior all the time and the warrior is counting on the rest of the group to sacrifice dps to
a.) debuff the boss
b.) buff the group
c.) heal the group
Try playing a dungeon with 5 players of such a build/mentaility and you are bound to horrible failure as everyone will just watch out for his own damage numbers. Try staying alive in those dungeons without those noobs who play supportive.
edit just saw
" sure I have more health, but with all the conditions that get stacked on, using mending + shake it off + trait to remove conditions on heal still left me bleeding and crippled … so yeah, less damage and still could not remove conditions."
Wild… soldier runes add condition removing to a shout build. Sorry but shows again that you don’t understand how a shout build even works. (@Yojack build you furthermore have WH skills to convert conds to boons).
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.
Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.
I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.
i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense
“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”
I have to agree with that post- though its a bit hard put.
The only thing that was mentioned after he tested the shout build was his complains about damage nukmbers. Thus making it clear that all he thinks the warrior role in a group is is DPS. Yes with using a shout buld you are not a burst DD anymore- that should be as clear as anything.
The build suggested by the forums (the one I did aka Yojack build) doesn’t use GS. I wouldnÄ’t recommend a GS for a shouldbuild anyways.
GS implies going the way for burst damage, shouts imply going for a support build.
So if you want to do burst damage, have high survivability and decent group support…. well that build I’d like to see.
Long story short I have to somewhat agree with hell. Arguing on that level is pointless sorry wild, as you don’t seem to have understood what our complains about signet warriors are- clearly shown in your “my 1k blades does less damage” post.
The warriors forum has enough threads with builds who actually benefit your group.
Its not a challenge that you pose but the inabillity to switch to the adequate class forum and open threads there. Here is one for you, look for Yojacks build there. That is a build that actually helps the group as a whole in all the situations you mentioned. But its a shout build so it requires a way more active play than signets warrior usually need to perform.
edit Also if you consider a 5sig build valid for WvW… (not just hiding somewhere in the zerg)
And there is the problem, the build is designed to work as part of a group, which does not translate well when you have to go solo against a mob. Signet build with greatsword puts out alot of DPS in a semi AoE way (damage is increased because of the signets, if you traited for it). Plus the build you suggested got nerfed and no updates have been made to it since the nerf.
Again, what do you bring to the group beside DPS with a signet build? You are not even selfsufficient in regards of reliable condition removing and stun/cc breaking and you bring no group buffs into the fray.
The build is not being a part of a group but completely relying on the support of a group. The only thing it brings to the table is that its very easy to play.
Also the Yojack build works perfectly still- the nerf (if you want to call it that way) is only the affecting of 5 targets at once with shoutheals and wh buffs.
If I have the choice of a warrior with signets and one with shouts (or even banners) the choice is already made.
So… … All these buy and sell orders on the TP are just you guys buying and selling from one another? Am I the last one who buys an item because… you know… I want to use it? :-D
Some people (myself included) enjoy playing a kind of trader
