Working as intended.
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If you are getting ganged by a definitely larger group without any means to escape, I find behaviours like this quite legit.
I’m not really sure how Signet of Spite can burst anyone down. It applies two to four bleeds, a poison and maybe burn. It also doesn’t apply “freeze.”
It’s an incredible tool for securing kills, but it’s not burst.
The “problem” with Signet of Spite is not only the damage it provides ALONE.
Rather, it’s the fact that you will get suddenly unloaded with 6 different conditions with a long duration). Unless you have Lyssa runes (with your elite ready), have Contemplation of Purity or something similar, you will have a hard time cleansing all of them.
Those conditions will cover up all the bleeds, torment, poison and burning you will receive. While it may not kill you directly, either you blow all your condition removal utilities to cleanse them (leaving you open to other marks, scepter autos or dhuumfire procs) or you just die because you were not able to cleanse the important conditions.
It would be nice if someone could decide himself which condition to clear each time they use a cleanse :/
Imho the problem with conditions lies in the fact that most condition based attacks CANNOT be dodged and are RANGED.
Think about the vast majority of the Power based attacks:
Warrior:
_Earthshaker
_Eviscerate
_Hundred Blades
Thief:
_Pistol Whip
_Backstab
_Larceneous Strike
_Heartseeker
Guardian
_Whirling Wrath
_Zealot Defense
Elementalist
_All staff attacks
_Dragon Tooth
_Burning Speed
_Churning Earth
_Phoenix
Ranger:
_Maul
_Rapid Fire
Mesmer:
_Phantasms (can be easily dodged by good players, at least the first attack)
_Mind Wrack (it’s istant, but requires good managing of clones to be correctly landed)
All these skills MUST be set up in order to be correctly executed. Good players won’t have much problem realizing when to dodge a backstab and all the other attacks are easily readable and avoidable UNLESS they are CC-ed. Landing a POWER based combo requires a lot of effort if the two player fighting are any good. Not only this: the user must give up all the defensive stats in order to do a decent amount of damage.
Now, let’s look about condis:
Necro:
_Marks (0,75s cast time, the casting animation is almost the same for each mark)
_Signet of Spite (0,75s cast time)
_Dhuumfire (random proc)
_Scepter Autoattack (autoattack)
_Doom (istant)
_Tainted Shakles (0,25s cast time)
Engis:
_Nades (PBAoE, travel time non existant if fighting on point, same casting animation)
_Bombs (almost the same as above)
_AT LEAST the pistol lets the opponent understand what the engi is doing (assuming enough distance between the target)
_Incendiary power (random proc)
_Bleed on crit (random proc)
Warrior:
_Flurry (0,5 cast time, but at least is melee)
_Impale (0,5s cast time, animation is readable but very hard to avoid unless predicted or at long range)
_Pin Down (shouldn’t even talk about the broken-ness of this skill)
_Combustive Shot (travel time non existant if fighting on point, unavoidable AoE long lasting fire field)
Mesmers:
_All random bleed on crit procs
_Clones autos (especially staff autos which inflict burning)
_Phantasms autos
Ranger:
_Sun spirit (random proc)
_Split blade (0,75s cast time, CAN be avoided because the casting animation is readable in melee, assuming low clutter)
_Throw Torch (0,5s cast time, really difficult to dodge if melee unless predicted)
_AT LEAST the SB auto requires you to flank the enemy
Thief
_I’d say they are the only “balanced” condition based class in sPvP, because their condition application requires the venoms to be any effective, and venoms can be dodged, are not spammy, are single target and take up utility slots.
Considered this, there is a HUGE difference in how Conditions and Power based attacks work. You CAN dodge/protect yourself from power based attacks, which usually require a proper set up to be landed. You CANT protect yourself from conditions, unless you heavily spec into condi removal or are a Zerker Stance Warrior/AR engi, because no matter what you do, you WILL get that dhuumfire proc, you WILL get hit by those nades, you WILL eat that Pin Down. There is no counterplay, unless you don’t get hit AT ALL by the enemy, but this scenario only occurs if the skill gap between the two players is not so high.
Best class: Warrior
Why: because warriro
Most “good” roamers always fight outnumbered, because they know that is the sole occasion an enemy would willingly stop to fight you.
I’ve just finished a 10v4 and man, it was good. We stomped 7, the last 3 fled but whatever, I had my fair share of fun.
Most roamers know that very few people will stop to fight you if they are not other roamers OR know that have the protection of something nearby – be it a zerg, a buffed camp or a tower. The 1v2 I had inside a buffed camp were sooo fun! That’s the sole reason I run with DaggerStorm as a Thief :P
I hate dying, and when I try to catch up with my guild group as a Staff Ele I always avoid fighting and don’t mind relying to “unfair” advantages to escape. I know that might kitten off other people, but w/e.
If I see one guy running towards his tower after he gets to 40% HP I consider it a win. If he manages to get inside, good for him.
When the AG zerg entered our SM only 3 of us made it into outer. We only had 30 supplies, so we decided to use a ballista to take down the inner gate. After 40 minutes of pressing 1 and 3, we finally opened the gate (props to the Guardian and to the Engi from [Cruel] who apparently didn’t tell anyone).
When we approached the lord, the JS zerg came and we had to wait another 5 minutes before capping it for ourselves.
Thanks to the upleveled JS elementalist who didnt report us as well when we were killing the lord, lol. We deserved that cap lmao.
AG pugs are really good. They didnt even drop a rare among the hundreds of lootbags I collected in 2 hours raiding. They really value their things Ö
I’ve been roaming with a condi warrior and thieves are a joke against it. I immobilize them and lay 10-15 stacks of bleed on them in no time, then drop a LB burst in their SR and they either run away or come out of stealth in downed state.
Not saying they are the best thieves out there, but we are talking about thieves as a class in general. The best players will make any class look OP.
A D/P thief who loses to a condi warrior is doing something bad.
And all the Engis who are complaining about thieves should l2p, because stealth thieves are the best prey for engis.
Resetting the stacks of VcY thieves this evening was fun. Most AG roamers are in the OS anyway. You occasionally jump on the usual Vavume. I even managed to get him to 40% health but couldnt interrupt that Shadow Refuge
Only viable build mesmers have for sPvP is 30 20 0 0 20, GS+Staff.
Anything else and you’ll be facing bad people who like to steamroll and boost their ego with pointless and incredibly long 1v1s.
Warrior detected?
I’m a wvw-er, I mostly solo roam and never train.
Yet I stockpiled 15k silk scraps before ascended armor was released, at 8c each.
Where’s your God now?
Currently, the rankings would be;
- - PU mesmer/Condition Engineer
- - BM Condi bunker ranger/Condition Necro
- - Thief
- - S/D or D/D Ele
- - Warrior
- - guard and the aforementioned professions using any other build then what has been stated.
What rankings? o.O
Anyway, OP:
The “best” class for roaming, assuming SOLO roaming, is that one class which (in order of importance):
_enables you to avoid dying to the occasional zerg coming your way
_enables you to handle more than 1 opponent at the same time
_enables you to counter the most used builds used by other roamers
_enables you to solo camps effectively and quickly
Thieves (with Shadowstep and Shadow Refuge) actually are the best at disengaging and can usually deal with 1+ opponents (if they are dumb enough or are using full glass specs), can solo camps easily but are very, very weak against properly built Warriors and get roflstomped by Engineers, unless they are using P/D (which can result in a stalemate).
A Warrior who gets beaten by a Thief is either running condi (not viable for roaming imho) or is just bad.
Warriors can take camps really quickly and have insane mobility if they spec for it, but since you need both GS and Sw/x to escape a zerg (and that’s assuming you don’t get focused), which are weapon sets not really great for dealing with other roamers, their number is decreasing.
Mesmers take a while to solo camps, have good ways to escape a zerg (Mass Invis, Decoy) and when they spec for PU condi can deal with many opponents easily. However, they get hardcountered by necros but since necros are really bad for roaming they don’t have a true counter among roaming classes. Fights against D/P and P/D usually end in stalemates. Shatter mesmers have too many counters among roamers to be viable.
Engis are similar to PU, with the exception that they have slightly less surivability in 1vX scenarios and take far greater skill to be effective with than any retarted PU build, so that’s why there are not many out there. They get wrecked by necros too, but again, necros don’t usually solo roam. Camps can be taken quicker than a PU mesmer and their Stealth+Leaps are good for escaping zergs.
Rangers are good for 1v1, they take camp easily but can take a while to do so. Not really that good for escaping zergs (unless they spec for it, in which case they would be carrying wrong weaponsets for 1vX). They get countered by many specs though, unless the skillgap is really high. Condi Rangers (trap/spirit) can handle 1vX pretty well though, just not as well as an engi, a PU mesmer or a thief.
Necros are good at dueling (even if they get hardcountered by warriors) and 1vX, but they will die the moment a zerg spots them due to 0 mobility (with the exception of switfness, which is not enough). So that’s why you’ll rarely see a necro out there.
D/D Ele is still good, but people who are good at it are decreasing by the minute because of the high skill ceiling required. They solo camps quickly and can escape zergs easily with Fiery Greatsword. They are good against Thieves (maybe not P/D though), but they get countered by PU mesmers. Condi Engi vs D/D ele would be fun to watch though.
Guardians… If they spec for defense, they can easily manage 1vX but won’t really down anyone among them if the opponents are just a bit careful not to get killed by reta. They solo camps easily, but don’t have many ways to escape a zerg.
If they go for offense, they are just good for 1v1. In a 1vX, the moment a thief focuses on them they are screwed.
I think I’ve listed pretty much everything needed to make up your mind about roaming
D/P thieves have drastically decreased. Now most I see are D/D, and those who still use D/P are really, really bad
that is because you have to be out of your mind to play d/p in a pvp setting with the latest changes to how stealth works :p
Playing the same D/P build who 99% of D/P users share in WvW (myself included, even if I have made a few tweaks to it) is completely not viable in sPvP. And it has been like this since I started playing Thief in June 2013.
Where are the TUP eles? Long time no see them in the OS
I just wana thank everyone that joinned Slay’s open raid in EB tonight, had loads of fun and epic fights aggainst both JS and AG, especially inside SM, much better than karma train or pvd a whole bdl. Primetime is really something special this week
With the upcomming New Year comming, prolly gona get less fights, but lets enjoy as much as we can.
Btw, wana also thank VcY for the few fights we had yesterday in AG bdl.
Peace & Respect
Tbh I wouldn’t say the PvD was extremely fun I was hoping a GH zerg would come to defend their border, but they didn’t and if that’s the case, then, well, we’ll take it all.
I think your pugs must be really proud of having a commander like you always praising them. You’ll definitely going to win this matchup, you earned it.
Dunno what the hell has happened to AG, but all I see is D/P thieves and GS/Sword+X warriors with occasional PU mesmer.
I know AG has lots of thieves, but I recall they gave good fights in the past. Now they just throw one backstab and run.It’s not a single server thing, everyone and their mothers are abusing the meta fashion now. Every mesmer is a PU mesmer, every necro is a condinecro, every engi is condinade spammer, every ranger is a spirit ranger, every warrior healingsignet-hambow, every thief condistealth. There’s no variety, only watching a youtube vid and copypasting the actual OP trend, waiting for the next nerf and the next new OP meta. Add to that a total no respect for duelers (i’m not a dueler, but i respect fair fights) and a kittenton of runaways inside spawns/camps/towers searching for pve help. I don’t remember the last week i had good fun roaming tbh, lately imo it’s absolutely boring.
Aye, PU mesmers are the 90% of the mesmers I meet in WvW roaming. I met ONE shatter/Phantasm from Jade Sea yesterday, and it was the first I saw in a loooong time, I didnt even stomp him after downing him because he deserved not to die for running a high risk spec.
D/P thieves have drastically decreased. Now most I see are D/D, and those who still use D/P are really, really bad (I can predict and interrupt their BP->HS so easily that the fight lasts 3 seconds unless they have Shadowstep slotted and use Shadow Refuge when they’re losing it).
The number of roaming Warriors has decreased too. I don’t know why. Now only thing I meet while roaming are DD thieves, Condi Engis and PU mesmers. I began to use my thief again because it’s the only class which can handle all of those with ease (I simply flee from condi engis no point in getting condimelted with AoE nade spam).
Every roamer has his own “code”. Some like using brainless builds, with minimal effort required to achieve good results. Some others like a challenge. I, for one, NEVER reset a 1v1 and, as a D/P Thief, NEVER chain more than 1 HS into a BP (unless I’m outnumbered) so my stealth uptime is not long at all, and people who fought me in the OS can confirm this. Only time I would kite a bit is if a warrior pops Berserker Stance. I’d really like to use a Trickery D/P build in WvW but that’s simply not viable because if you have your utilities in CD while you are in a fight and a zerg comes over, you’re screwed.
I like fighting stealth based condi mesmers because they absolutely melt to D/P. Some GOOD mesmers can still be tough to take down, but it’s rare to find a good PU mesmer anyway, they all just hope their clones to do all the work and pop every utility quite early if pressured.
I think the overall attitude of the most “meta-roamers” is what makes people complain and QQ. First it was all about thieves stealthing and resetting. Now you have the uncatchable warriors, the PU mesmers, the thieves “ohmycombodidnotkillhimletsresetthefight”. Pretty ashamed, really.
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I’d like to say to the AG Gold Scout from VV that his Traited Steal->CnD->Backstab combo, followed by a “oh well he didnt die then SR and flee” is a really effective strategy. Jesus I only wanted a fair fight!
Props to your rank.
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I d like to thank the AG Commander in El for letting me solo their T3 Quentin during prime time as a Staff Ele. Cheers!
Your prime time must be a little different then EU. No one took QL during prime time yesterday. We made sure of that.
Had a blast in EB during reset. Time to shake off the Christmas weight.
Aye, I thought it was earlier though, maybe because of the numbers you had at that time (I won’t hide that there were a lot of GH people yesterday, too!). My bad
Anyway, nice reset. Nice fights in EB against VcY and good duels in the OS at reset. AG has some of the best D/D Eles I’ve ever seen. I <3 your server
I d like to thank the AG Commander in EB for letting me solo their T3 Quentin during prime time as a Staff Ele. Cheers!
I d like to thank the AG Commander in El for letting me solo their T3 Quentin during prime time as a Staff Ele. Cheers!
FSP style, awyeah!
Thanks to AM for not running with a boring blob all the time, and thank you to GH for some awesome fights!What awesome fights?
They farmed us pretty hard today
gj fsp, you rock
(or we kitten)
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To all the PU mesmers I’ve chased for minutes before killing them, the ballistas on your corpses were my Christmas Presents for you. You should feel honored.
PU mesmers. They’re the only class I’d go to the end of the world to chase, down and stomp them.
Well around midnight isn’t exactly GH’s strong hours in any day looking at the past days, so it prolly just get’s amplified now. These few hours AM usually dominate.
We ticked 30 for a while
Looks like GH is enjoying christmas more than FSP and AM together, since their megablobs are taking everything we own right now.
nice trains
No idea why GH is 13 instead of far shiver peaks. Are these based on older scores? I think right now it should be 13 fsp, 14 AM and 15 GH..
Have fun all.
Gh is 13 because we have beaten Baruch Bay last week.
I also want to wish everyone Gl whit the matchup and want to thank Df and Punk for the nice fights.
And GH beat us 2 weeks ago, you ain’t playing the underdog this week
Actually YOU beat us, and pretty badly I must admit.
No we didn’t, check it on the MOS site, you won by more than 6k against us.
We did fine the first half of the week but in the second half you were a lot stronger and passed us in score the last day.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/23/128Maybe you forgot about that week and just remember the match from last month where we did beat you badly
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/23/120
:O my bad. I took my degree on the last day so I was not able to log in and watch the final score. We used to perform very badly on the last day so I never thought we would catch up to you. Props to us I guess
Anyway, good fights yesterday with PunK in bay and later with the AM blob in EB.
Already got my daily share of hate by some SWAG guys this early morning but w/e, I know being killed by thieves suck.
To the amazingly good AM engi (rank Assaulter, guild IX) I just dueled and to the really good FSP S/D thief (rank Major, can’t remember guild tag but was starting with “W”): nice fights in the Obsidian Sanctum! Last week the OS was totally empty! It is good to see some good people there ^o^
No idea why GH is 13 instead of far shiver peaks. Are these based on older scores? I think right now it should be 13 fsp, 14 AM and 15 GH..
Have fun all.
Gh is 13 because we have beaten Baruch Bay last week.
I also want to wish everyone Gl whit the matchup and want to thank Df and Punk for the nice fights.
And GH beat us 2 weeks ago, you ain’t playing the underdog this week
Actually YOU beat us, and pretty badly I must admit.
I hate the water pools inside the ruins because they are often used by low health players to escape death, so I try to avoid the ruins when I solo roam.
Working as intended.
Next thread!
normally u change 1-3 skills if hiding in somewhere for recapping. its a piece of cake for everyone to beat those thiefs who switched out there combat skills for invis.
I keep learning new things today
The only ODS I saw was one D/P Thief who tried to hide in Bay after we capped it and who got killed by a Staff Guardian. I didn’t think it was even possible to die to a Staff Guardian but well, you always learn new things.
Are you from Augury Rock? Because I’ve just soloed all your fully upgraded camps and was extremely satisfied.
You want your camp to stay upgraded? Defend it. I wouldn’t have been able to solo them if a single Bunker Guardian had been there to defend them.
Props to the BB PU Perplexity Mesmer (rank Bronze something, Champion Illusionist) I had the pleasure to fight today in AR Ruins and yesterday in front of our keep in EB, those were two really close fights!
I was the Norn Thief from TEO if you read this ^o^
Best reset in AGES @ AR BL!
100 times better than FSBlob. Keep it up, the fighting spirit of both BB and AR is wonderful! See you on the batterfield!
On busy days:
-WvW raid with guild
On “not so busy” days:
-AC full run
-CoF P1
-WvW raid with guild
On “I have a lot of time to play” days:
-AC full run
-CoF P1 & P2
-WvW Roaming
-WvW Raid with guild
On “let’s play gw2 all day”
-AC full run
-CoF P1&P2
-SE P1&P3
-Some world bosses
-WvW Roaming
-WvW Raid with guild
I can throw in some sPvP or WvW roaming in case I can’t log in during prime time. The daily is still a “must do”, so I did not list it.
“all say lol noob u here for golds”
You should have told them that your gf would have left you if you lost
Ty for all the loot bags @ kale, Atom, pain and every other guy who blobbed yesterday in GH BL! It was so satisfying that despite being attacked by 3 whole guilds we managed to defend every upgraded objective we held(even the upgraded north camp lol).
Yeah, I would like to know if the +crit damage% sets will provide the same bonus as their Exotic counterparts.
I stockpiled 10k Gossamer Scraps (and some stacks of bolts and crafting components) and sold them yesterday for nearly 9s each.
I knew it would turn out like this. What happened with Ori/Wood was clear to everyone so a lot of people thought they could make a fortune just by stockpiling mats and selling them today.
I expect Silk price to increase up to 25c a piece though.
not bigger than someone who say on his own ts during his raid he will do kitten against us on every single fight when can,yeah we have spy everywhere! hehe
yeah enjoy the mu.Oh dear… How sad to have to rely on a spy in the enemy’s TS to try to gain an upper hand to win. I’m sorry for you that you feel so threatened by us that you have to rely on underhanded tactics like that.
You may feel a bit better if you concentrate your energy on developing your skills to improve and actually win something cleanly.
Best of luck…
ah so what i said is right then,this mean only the guys in your guild who said that thing to me was not lying.
Your deception skills have reached level 9000
Thank you EXG for the beautiful fights on FSP border tonight
Please, enjoy the matchup rather than QQing.
I am not QQing in the slightest. We’ve been matchep up with Gandara, Desolation, AG and AM for 2 months so I learnt how it is to fight in silver league and I simply accept the fact that a blob is a quite common sight here.
I was simply pointing out that calling US (and I mean YOU) “blobbers” while you do EXACTLY the same is not the smartest thing to do.
I miss the previous matchup already.
This double teaming is just plain bs… anyone who supports that need to review his facts and way of thinking.
What should I say about our garri? First Deso megablob, then FSP, then Deso again.
And don’t you DARE even mention “guilds are blobbing up”, because all I’ve seen tonight is a 100km long FSP train made up of AoA and SOUL and PunK (or Kale, they are pretty much alike).Pretty boring reset all in all. I’m fine with Deso, they do blob but they at least are honest about it. FSP on the other hand…
You want a tissue to QQ more ?
How about WBC + CROW + pugs blob at south bay than north east bay on your own border ?
Or how about TEO + whole GH pugs coming back to defend bay on FSP border ?Do you see soul cry about it and call out guilds about you blobbing up ?
PunK wasn’t running with us tonight at all, AoA started late and we almost didn’t play when they did.
For the screenshot: so what, we are supposed to let 15 man try and take a keep when we know that there’s a blob coming there right after ?
Think a bit before starting to throw guild names all over the place.
Thing is, not in a single post I’ve made in this thread I have stated that GH guilds don’t blob up.
I saw that CROW joined WBC in some occasions, as did other guilds with TEO. I was there.
The screenshot was taken right before another FSP blob broke in through the NORTH gate. In 2 minutes you were able to break 2 different gates (it was a wooden keep but it’s still something). My bad I am not able to prove that, but w/e.
The fun fact is that I am not even complaining, nor I did it yesterday when I was fighting. I simply accepted that fact. But some people here, on the other hand, have to complain everytime.
As to the “Think a bit before starting to throw guild names all over the place.”, I think you should explain that to your servermates too (read 2nd post of the thread).
Cheers, and have a nice day sir.
Finished 16 hour commanding
wow can i shake your hand?
So GH, how much gold did you pay Deso to doubleteam us this week?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA
Same ol’ PunK, complaining about everything yet doing exactly the same.What should I say about our garri? First Deso megablob, then FSP, then Deso again.
And don’t you DARE even mention “guilds are blobbing up”, because all I’ve seen tonight is a 100km long FSP train made up of AoA and SOUL and PunK (or Kale, they are pretty much alike).Pretty boring reset all in all. I’m fine with Deso, they do blob but they at least are honest about it. FSP on the other hand…
Heh..PunK always runs as a guild, and we were at home border. Had some good fights with TEO, until MM,GRTS etc decided to jump ! And Deso will blob, they have so many people.
Yes, my bad I called you in, it was Kale.
they are doing that at 0:16 this mean after the raid is ended u was doing that(and have an excuse as always)from 19 till 21.20(i left the border at this hour so can be even more)
But we know all can play the game as they prefer,if u prefer mainly blob dont be shy come on,just admit it.
Your 19 is my 20, so my 0.16 is yours 23:16 which is still prime time.
Just accept the fact that you blob too (and do that 80% of the time), and stop calling out other guilds when they blob up, because you (speaking to all FSP guilds) are no better. The only guilds which has admitted to blob is AoA.
So GH, how much gold did you pay Deso to doubleteam us this week?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA
Same ol’ PunK, complaining about everything yet doing exactly the same.What should I say about our garri? First Deso megablob, then FSP, then Deso again.
And don’t you DARE even mention “guilds are blobbing up”, because all I’ve seen tonight is a 100km long FSP train made up of AoA and SOUL and PunK (or Kale, they are pretty much alike).Pretty boring reset all in all. I’m fine with Deso, they do blob but they at least are honest about it. FSP on the other hand…
Heh..PunK always runs as a guild, and we were at home border. Had some good fights with TEO, until MM,GRTS etc decided to jump ! And Deso will blob, they have so many people.
Yes, my bad I called you in, it was Kale.
So GH, how much gold did you pay Deso to doubleteam us this week?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA
Same ol’ PunK, complaining about everything yet doing exactly the same.
What should I say about our garri? First Deso megablob, then FSP, then Deso again.
And don’t you DARE even mention “guilds are blobbing up”, because all I’ve seen tonight is a 100km long FSP train made up of AoA and SOUL and PunK (or Kale, they are pretty much alike).
Pretty boring reset all in all. I’m fine with Deso, they do blob but they at least are honest about it. FSP on the other hand…
TY for your feedback. I’ll try to experiment with both. The Traveler runes are a must in this setup. The gear is ok I think… Maybe I will replace the gloves, boots and shoulders with zerker pieces, but as it stands now I think I’m ok with that.
The only problem I see is how I can handle conditions. Condition users are really common in WvW roaming and the only cleanses I see are Smite Condition (1condition on 16s CD) and Contemplation of Purity (48s CD). Could swap the Block with the Signet in case I see a conditioner approaching, but that’s it. The torch could help since it SHOULD cleanse something (I have never ever used it, the only weapons I’ve used so far are GS, Staff and Hammer).