Guild Wars 2

GW2 is a directX 9

It will NEVER be upgraded to Mantle BEFORE its upgraded to DX 11.2(or even DX10 at this point).

Windows is the prominent OS on the market, and it comes STOCK with DirectX. 98% of the game makers ONLY code their games for openGL(MacOS Support) and/or DirectX. It will be YEARS before Mantle takes off and becomes the replacement for DirectX.

Games that are made for DX9 RARELY get updated to DX10/11/11.2. And games that get their API updated, it will always be linear in the API that they are already built for. Rarely do Manufactures Jump API’s, so to expect such is just silly.

typographie.1742:

Aidan Savage.2078:

Your CPU wont be full load because GW2 sits on a single core as it’s single thread. Since i7s are quad core, you wouldnt even see more than 25% load from gw2.

(might be wrong, but I rarely see more than 50% while running gw2 on my i3)

This is incorrect; Guild Wars 2 does provide a workload for more than one core.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-performance-benchmark,3268-7.html

I’m not an expert on the subject, but you can’t simply tell from the CPU utilization percentage what number of cores are in use. Just to get the simplest reason out of the way, not every core is being worked to 100% of its capacity: by your reckoning, one core (of four) at 100% is 25% overall; but then what if all four cores are at 25%? That would still be 25% overall.

Furthermore, Windows sees your i3 as a quad-core processor, and his i7 as eight cores due to hyperthreading.

GW2 uses DX9, which is single threaded. While the GW2.exe process will spawn helper threads, the DX9 API is what makes GW2 truely a single threaded application when comparing and looking at per core performance.

My i5-4670K will push 80-90% utilization
My i7-2630QM will sit between 70-85% utilization

Both are held back by my GPU, and my Laptop is help back by the ingame 30FPS rate limiter.

FX83** has 8 solid cores. Its just that 2 Cores are in a module that shares the same resources.

Same with the FX63** being 6 Cores, and The FX4*** being 4 Cores.

The issue is that the Buss between the cores in the same module is shared, as with Intel it is not. That is despite that the fact remains, AMD’s single core performance is LESS then Intels single core performance. Has been this way since Sandy Bridge and I dont see it changing anytime in the near future.

So even if you disable the 2nd core per module for the FX Series, Intel is going to still be the winner.

Now multi-threaded applications, the FX comes in very close to the i-series. I see benches that show the FX being both above and below the Intel by 5-8%.

But this game isnt multi threaded, and that is why AMD cannot hold a candle stick here.

Really, thats the end of this discussion.

Its going to depend on what laptop that is, as the GT635 has different reference boards out there. Some better or worse then the others.

Look here > http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635M.66964.0.html

the i3-3120M is decent enough, but she will still have issues with zerg content. Lows I would say 18FPS or so depending on background applications.

skcamow.3527:

sirsquishy.8531:

skcamow.3527:

I agree, at first that’s what it sounds like, but I personally never get above 50C on the CPU and GPU never gets over 60C.

When did you upgrade to Win8.1, and did you upgrade to 8.1 from 8 or was it a fresh install. Same question if you upgraded from 7 to 8.

Went from 8 to 8.1 over the top.

Evernessince.8035:

There is no such thing as cpu lag. If your cpu had heat issues it would shut down, possibly creating artifacts on the screen. I’ve had cpus overheat on me due to fan failure many times.

This issue you describe sounds like a hard drive issue. When a hard drive is seeking or reading data the cpu remains idle, exactly the same as you are getting. Mechanical issues also cause seek and read times to increase which results in the “lag” you describe.

In order to diagnose the issue you need to get the proper software for your manufacturer. I will list the two major ones below:

Seagate Drives: Seatools

Western Digital: WD lifeguard

Actually the next thing on my list was to try playing the game from a different drive to isolate that possibility. I’ve not run diags on my drive with the manufacturer tools, which I’ll do. Good to hear this feedback, thanks.

There are numerous issues with upgrading to 8.1 with out wiping your drivers and downloading drivers built for 8.1. I HIGHLY suggest uninstalling your GPU drivers, reboot into safemode and run DDU (Driver wiper utility you can download), then boot into normal mode and install the latest stable driver for your GPU built for 8.1

As for the HDD/SDD theory, download CrystalDiskInfo, it will read your raw SMART data. If you see data values in raw read error rate, raw write error rate, Sector Reallocation, and B800000, then you should consider replacing the HHD/SSD. FYI, the B80000 is a faulty Cache module that alot of new HDDs are using to be competitive with SSDs. these HDDs are sold as Hybrid SSDs and have a 2G/4G/6G Cache Model that caches data from your HDD before your Sata controller accesses it.

I had a 500G Hyrbid HDD drop that cache model and nothing that was written to the drive was legible by ANY 3rd party tool. That drive was a total Loss.

So this is what sticks out to me in your OOM crash logs

—> System Memory <—
Physical: 25507MB/32714MB 77% (25G of ram in use, WTF are you running?!)
Paged: 56766MB/65428MB 86% (Alot of swapping!!)
Virtual: 269MB/ 4095MB 6%
Load: 22%
CommitTotal: 8661MB
CommitLimit: 65428MB
CommitPeak: 8844MB
SystemCache: 4668MB
HandleCount: 31853
ProcessCount: 92
ThreadCount: 1140

—> Process Memory <—
Private: 3213MB (The MAX for a 32bit application)
WorkingSet: 3136MB
PeakWorkingSet: 3234MB
PageFaults: 59718794

You are peaking the applications 32bit memory mask. you NEED to reduce your ingame settings (Character limit, Resolution, SuperSample, and Texture Mapping/FXAA).

With the settings I run (high on all, native sampling, Medium Shaders/Shadows, And char Limit to Low) I never go above 2.3GB of ram for the gw2.exe application (verifiable with Performance monitor in task manager).

Reduce the foot print that GW2 uses and you will probably fix your crashing.

BubbleEyes.3827:

thanks for all the feedback . lol still not sure what to do . thinking about just saving for a new desktop anyway

What laptop do you have?

You might be able to upgrade it to an i7 if you dont mind spending 230~ for the Motherboard + CPU (you could do an i5 in all reality). And doing the hardware swap.

I did this for my HP DV6, and I now get 20% more performance then I was getting when I had to overclock my AMD’s APU+HD7690M.

Referr to screenshot :-)
Though, if I dont limit the Game down to 30FPS, My laptop now runs at 80c’s for both the CPU and the GPU. At the 30FPS limit high temps are 68-70c’s

Boost it from what?

My system will bottom out at 18FPS with a fully queued map fighting MAW, or a moderately large zerg (60~ players) and bottom out at 23-25FPS.

If you are not getting that much, you might want to consider Overclocking your CPU at 4.6ghz or whatever you can stabilize at.

But if that is what you get currently, thats the best you can do. that is the weakness of GW2.

Avelos.6798:

That’s a first edition 7970 with Asus DC2 fan cooler on it. There shouldn’t be any problems with cooling so it should not be overheating. If your GPU is maxing out, I believe that’s because your CPU is not feeding it information fast enough which would likely mean you’re using an AMD CPU or a very low clocked Intel processor.

Assuming there’s no problems with OPs computer though, that x16 v 1.1 is just idle/standby/low power state when outside of games. My 7970s do the exact same thing but then they go to PCIe x8 or x16 V3 depending on if I’m using crossfire or not.

His screenshot showed Clock speeds of 975+, so I assumed that was taken with the game running in the background. Still that ver1.1 will cause issues if thats what the link rate is while the game is running.

PCi-E 16x ver1 is like PCI-E 4x ver2.

Itll do ok on low to medium settings.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-710M.84746.0.html

the only thing that shines in that notebook is the i5-337u. I would look for something that has a 750 or 760 with that i5.

x16 v 1.1 is not normal

your GPU is sleeping, you need to wake it up. Open GPU-Z’s sensor page while the game is running, what is your Mem, Core clock, and Utilization?

Also, download MSI Afterburner and disable the sleep states, or adjust the power slide to +4.

Do a trace route to the Anet servers and Ill tell you whos at fault.

SolarNova.1052:

or better yet ..go desktop :P.

Though tbh GW2 isn’t worth upgrading for IMO.

I’m kinda thinking this too, now.

Played since launch and every LS release I get more and more bored with the game. Thinking of giving this game a rest for a few months to see if it gets better, play wise.

But spending hundreds if not a couple grand, to keep your system up to play one game is a bit ridicules.

I did it only cause its a one time pay MMO, that has decent stuff to it. Just wish we had some better content that lasted longer (3 days and I complete the LS, on each release).

I also think Anet needs to adjust the system requirements as of now.

If you want up to 65FPS;
AMD CPU PhenomII 965BE, or FX6x00/8×00, or Intel i3
AMD/Nvidia GPU Rated at HD7790/GTX660+
4GB ram
30GB free space

If you want above 65FPS
Intel i3, i5, or i7 Gen3 or 4, or Gen1-4 K-Series to over clock to 4.5Ghz
AMD/Nvidia HD7790/GTX660+
8GB ram
30GB Free Space

as, Those are the current Min specs.

loseridoit.2756:

sirsquishy.8531:

Motherboard for your laptop model series that has the Discrete GPU and upgrade your APU to a K10 variant.

upgrading a laptop is expensive. I rather have the OP just use mobile intel processor and use integrated graphics.

OP experience playing on low will be much more superior than an APU

That statement completely depends on the laptop in question.

Example, Upgraded my DV6Z-6c00 (APU+HD7690M) to an Intel (i7-2630QM+HD6770) for 89 for the motherboard and 130 for the CPU.

Sure its not the ‘best’ advice. But if the Motherboard can be got cheap, its a good option if the OP has tech abilities. And far cheaper then buying a new laptop for 1 game.

skcamow.3527:

I agree, at first that’s what it sounds like, but I personally never get above 50C on the CPU and GPU never gets over 60C.

When did you upgrade to Win8.1, and did you upgrade to 8.1 from 8 or was it a fresh install. Same question if you upgraded from 7 to 8.

You should include what your FPS is.

But I’ll tell you right now, that FX8350 is holding your HD7950 back. And its not really the FX’s fault as much as it is the games. The game uses DX9, which is single threaded, and your FX8350 gets beat by an i3-2120 because of that fact.

There are 3 things you can do to boost, possible fix, some of your issues. But dont expect anything higher then 65FPS and anything lower then 8FPS(Zerg content)

1. Disable the 2nd core per module in the Bios.
2. Disable the Boost option and Peg/OC your CPU at the Boost speed.
3. Disable core parking (locate the Utility via a Google search)

Thats about all that can be done with out further info about your FPS and what you are actually getting in game.

Data from CPU-Z, GPU-Z, and CoreTemp would help.

Its a combo of your APU and the HD7640G holding you back.

You are getting what performance is to be expected based on that HD7640G, in all honesty.

You could see about selling your Laptop for one that has a dedicated HD7690M, instead of the A8’s iGPU HD7640G. Or upgrade your CPU to the A10 that has the HD7660. Or do a mix of both and find a Motherboard for your laptop model series that has the Discrete GPU and upgrade your APU to a K10 variant.

Those are really your only options.

But the way your laptop is now, that’s about the performance you can expect to get.

They are wrong;

Your issue starts here

5 93ms 6/ 25 = 24% 2/ 25 = 8% 0.ge-5-1-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET[152.63.0.190] 0/ 25 = 0%

You cannot look at the ICMP dropped packets, all INTERNET nodes are programmed to drop ICMP Packets after the 2nd ICMP request. So that 24%…ect, is completely irrelevant.

Contact your ISP, verizon, and have them look at your trace above. Verizon can do head to head testing with alter.net since they are link partners.

But, one thing that the above tells me is Alter.net is over subscribed. So if thats true, there is no fix in sight. As it would require a link upgrade.

FrozenStarRo.7240:

Sirsquishy I hear you, there are problems all around. But it boggles my mind they won’t even address the matter and accept there are issues. I mean seriously how many more dozens of these threads have to surface on this forum section before an official response is received? At least give us players some peace of mind. 4th night in a row I’m unable to even log in. Just busted my rear for 4 months to finish a legendary on Monday and I can’t even see the fruits of my labor. Trust me, it sucks.

Look around the forum. How often are you seeing Anet even respond to issues in general?

Can’t expect them to make statements on things they;

1. don’t understand
2. can’t control.

http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&time=16121&view=map

Thats all I’m going to say on the matter.

That’s the truth. With normal clock rates, my laptop would get 4-6hours on battery. Over clock and pushed to its teeth, it would get 45mins TOPS on its battery.

And APU’s get throttled at 83c-85c. So if your CPU is getting anywhere near those temps you need to think about cooling and keeping your vents clear and clean.

As for the bulldozer based CPUs (2 cores per module), those have a large design issue that cannot easily be fixed. While they do multi-thread extremely well, single threading on them just sucks. The way to fix it is disable the 2nd core per module (This cannot be done on Laptops FYI), Over clock the chip to at least its Boost speed, then disable Core parking. And even then, the single core/thread performance still sucks!

For GW2, my i3-2120 outperformed the FX8350. And I’m still sick about it.

5 31 ms 31 ms 32 ms ae-8-8.ebr2.Budapest1.Level3.net [4.69.141.30]

OP – Your issue starts on Hop 5. Contact your ISP and give them your trace, you are direct connect to Level3 and they should be able to fix it for you.

dodgycookies.4562:

sirsquishy.8531:

Here is a screenshot of my Laptop when it had the APU in it. This is a 1.8Ghz stock CPU over clocked to 2.8Ghz, with the GPU Core clocked from 600mhz to 740Mhz. Resolution is 1600×900. When in Full screen with the applications closed, the FPS will peak at about 68FPS here.

The Screenshot is posted mainly to show ‘my’ config for pegging the APU at a higher speed.

Your apu was a Llano chip which still had the k10 cores and architecture. The Trinity series (and later richland) replaced the k10 cores with bulldozer, piledriver, and now Steamroller modules in the Kaveri chips. Arguably the llano apu was better at single thread processing (when overclocked) than the later versions but at the cost of higher power usage and less efficient multithreading.

Doesnt matter, the APU’s have core leveling issues due to the single core boost system AMD runs with that crap.

If you want the best performance out of your APU, you need to disable Boost (or for a laptop Lock the CPU at the Boost speed…or higher), Set the APU to a locked higher speed (on State 1 and 2, leave the rest of the states alone) then disable core parking.

That has done WONDERS for all my APU’s that I have tweaked.

locx.6412:

Yep, there’s your culprit.

If driver installation doesn’t help, open your case and see that it’s actually in a 16x slot (I think it is, GPU-Z wouldn’t be showing 16x otherwise). Just take the card out and the power cord as well, kind of reset the card, and put it back the way it was.

The fact that it’s running correct core speed and only changing link speed (and never reaching 16) makes me think it’s a driver issue, but that could solve it too. If the issue persists, let’s talk some more.

Yea thats a complete driver issue.

OP you need to uninstall all Graphic driver software, I really hope you did not leave the old nvidia drivers installed on top of the AMD ones.

Then reboot into safe mode and run a driver cleaner applications, then reboot into normal mode to actually install your drivers.

since it links at 4x means your HW is ok, just that something is preventing it from running at full PCI-E link speeds.

UNLESS you have the card in the wrong slot on your MB< or if you have more then 1 PCI-E Card installed on your system and you are running in Split mode.

Most systems have a single 16x PIC-E lane. 1 card runs at 16x, 2 cards run at 8x and 8x, 3 cards run at 8x 4x and 4×....ect

Here is a screenshot of my Laptop when it had the APU in it. This is a 1.8Ghz stock CPU over clocked to 2.8Ghz, with the GPU Core clocked from 600mhz to 740Mhz. Resolution is 1600×900. When in Full screen with the applications closed, the FPS will peak at about 68FPS here.

The Screenshot is posted mainly to show ‘my’ config for pegging the APU at a higher speed.

Kinda sounds like your PCI-E Link speed gets stuck at 1x, or your GPU goes into Perm Sleep Mode.

using the tools posted above, verify the PCI-E link speed on CPU-Z’s Mainboard tab, and your GPU’s Core clock on GPU-Z Sensors tab. Both while the game is running and while your having issues.

Collin Jones.9781:

I just recently purchased this laptop,

Lenovo IdeaPad G505s Essentials Slim Notebook 59373006
- 15.6" AMD Richland A8-5550M 4GB 500GB HDD
- AMD Radeon HD 8550G DVDRW HDMI Win 8

The specs blew the min requirements for this game out of the water but for whatever reason i’m only getting between 2-10 fps in a combat area, nothing massive like WvW, just random events. About 15-25 fps standing around with nothing around me, this is all on the LOWEST settings.

I was wondering if there was anything I could to to increase my FPS. Thanks in advance.

Its a mix of 2 things;

1. your CPU, AMD nortiously fails at this game when it comes to performance. Just how it is

2. Laptop’s GPU drivers need to be updated.

There are 2 fixes for your issue;

Fix1, Download and install K10Stat, and use that tool to Overclock and under volt your CPU. The best thing to do is peg your CPU at the ‘boost’ speed, and drop the Boost Voltage down by 0.5v. Then Run Prime95 for a couple hours to make sure you don’t hardlock/reboot and that your temps stay at or below 70c’s

Fix2 – Look for modded AMD Beta 14.2 ver6 Drivers. Reboot using F8 and disable Driver Signing, then install the modded Drivers. – This gave me a 50-60% FPS boost on my HD6770M in my DV6.

Other then buying Intel, thats all you can do to get better performance on the APU’s.

Espionage.3685:

sirsquishy.8531:

Stress.2436:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

You will have to wait.
Thanks to AMD and Mantle
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/directx_opengl_to_open_up_low_level_access.html

Sounds very nice mate

This isn’t going to happen. For them to include mantle will be a complete rewrite of the game. They would support DX11 before they ever bring support for Mantle.

As for game optimizations over all, they include ‘some’ about every 3 months or so (each quarter).

Did you even read the article? It mentions how Mantle is basically making developers implement bare-metal performance on DirectX and OpenGL…

1. it does not making Devs do ANYTHING.

2. Anet probably wont incorporate Mantle until AFTER they upgrade to DX11+. If at all.

While Mantle increases performance across all platforms, its mainly for AMD. While DirectX is stagnant, its an API that all manufacturers have followed and optimized around. And that is why companies that have their software working on older DX9, would move to DX11 before going over to mantle, if they were ever to move to mantle that is.

Your Trace is clean right now. But you are transporting through Frankfurt, which is also one of the main transports of the DoS attacks that has been hitting.

the next time you have latency, rerun that trace.

in the Dos window type

tracert 206.127.159.154

then hit enter.

Anthrax.1026:

Hey guys,
So after trying every single fix under the sun, I FINALLY fixed my black screen issue.

Turns out my router was causing it all along! I have a Netgear D6300, I googled ‘netgear gw2’ and found a bunch of threads with people that had the same router as me.

Now, to fix the black screen issue, follow these steps:

1. Log into router (type 192.168.0.1 into browser)
2. Log in with username and password (default pass is easily googled)
3. Go to Advanced tab > Setup > WAN Setup and tick ‘Disable Port Scan and DoS Protection’
4. Press apply and the router will reboot.

Viola! That fixed my problem, I hope it helps you guys too!

Leave a quick reply if this fixed your issue so that Arenanet can shed some light on the problem

Thanks guys,
~Anthrax

That is a very interesting find. Does your Netgear router have any Logs that show those Filters being Hit when you get your crash? If so I would very much like to see them.

Stress.2436:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

You will have to wait.
Thanks to AMD and Mantle
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/directx_opengl_to_open_up_low_level_access.html

Sounds very nice mate

This isn’t going to happen. For them to include mantle will be a complete rewrite of the game. They would support DX11 before they ever bring support for Mantle.

As for game optimizations over all, they include ‘some’ about every 3 months or so (each quarter).

Does this happen for other games?

Try the Beta 14.2 drivers. ALOT of improvements from the 13.12 drivers over all.

Gotta do a trace route to the Anet servers to be sure where the latency is at for you.

The main thing that is holding that laptop back is the B960 CPU.

Since the Laptop is about 500USD, and a logical CPU upgrade will run you about 150-200 used. I would suggest considering a different laptop model.

But if you are OK with the cost, and OK with doing a CPU upgrade yourself. I would get the laptop then hunt down a i7-2630QM(mine ran about 120USD from eBay).

The GT 540 will run GW2 just fine at your LCD’s native resolution (1366×768....Though 1360×768 will run better and use the CPU less.)

Info about the GPU in that laptop with Benchmarks; http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html

I would say the FPS with that setup (different CPU, same Base Laptop model) would range from mid 60’s for normal play, 20-30 in the new LA events, and 15-18 for WvW full on zerg type content.

daringtons.1965:

Firstly, don’t assume I know nothing about computers I have been building/repairing them for almost 20 years now. I know my way around a computer. This is how I know 100% it is not an issue on my end. As for saying it’s less than 100 people, open your eyes son. A quick google search on the subject will show you just how wrong you are. What is wrong was the January update completely broke the game for a LOT if people, from what I can make out nearly all are AMD users too (please don’t go with the normal line if … Oh. Upgrade to nvidia. Annoys the hell outta me) I have a fx-8350 @4.2ghz with a xfx 7870 dd 2ghz and 16gb Kingston viper 1600 ddr3 ram.. I’m writing this from my phone so don’t have the access to logs but have sent every single crash to arenanet through the client reporter.

Still, Supply the crash log.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

sirsquishy.8531:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I dont think that your VGA is a bottleneck to you
First change CPU/Mobo/ram
FX 6300/i5 + normal MB + 4 or 8Gb ram

Then wait until maxwell arrive and get R9 280 or new maxwell and buy new PSU (XFX 550W)

His entire system is a bottle neck. The HD7750 (which is SLIGHTLY better then a HD6670), isn’t that good. And while he would gain worlds of performance by upgrading to an i3/i5 over the core2. He doesnt have the cash to drop into a new build right now. So the logical upgrade is to get a card that can be used in a new build (750TI) and go from there.

You are not right!
7750 is bottlenecked by E8500!
Logical is that he should wait for maxwell (all other cards). He can buy new CPU. Also 7750 is great overclocker you can boost up 30-40% his card

E8500 bottleneck 7750 – true

Change your CPU- if you want nvidia wait for 860 (maxwell) or AMD r9 280 – great for 1080P

Benchmarks!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/guild-wars-2-performance-benchmark,3268-6.html

GTX 750 is wrong choice for this game GET NEW CPU lower some details and wait for price drop. Then get Best P/P card

he cannot upgrade the CPU and have it be ‘worth it’. His current system is a Core2. He doesnt have the funds, nor the system to install a newer MB to throw in a better CPU.

So yea, for him, the logical choice is to upgrade the GPU and live with it through a new system build.

And for this thread, your BenchMark link just shows that his 7750 is holding him back. Even at 1280×768 the 7750 can barely hold onto 30FPS. And the Benchmark doesnt even include the 750TI

Here use this;

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7750-vs-GeForce-GTX-750-Ti

So the OP is making the correct choice for his current build to ‘get the most’ out if it until he can build/buy a newer generation system (Ivy/Haswell)

Legionnaire.1586:

Thanks for all the feedback guys, appreciate it, i just have one final question. Instead of making a new thread i thought i would just ask here. Once i get my laptop back everything will be re formated, all files lost etc.. I don’t remember what i had updated etc when i was running GW2 so can you guys suggest step by step what i should update/install before playing (i.e direct x, geforce update etc)

Get drivers from the manufacturer (like Intel, AMD/Nvidia…ect) then update your drivers. Make sure windows is fully updated as well. Other then that, burn your laptop in for a couple days before settling on it.

Prime95 for your CPU
Memtest86+ for memory
Any of the latest GPU benchmark suites for the video card.
and IOMeter/Crystal Disk for testing your HDD/SSD.

Your Builder does this for you, but I never trust them to be thorough.

OP;
well you tell us NOTHING about your hardware, your Ingame settings, or what OS/Driver versions your running. You also dont include the Crash Dump from GW2.exe.

so how do you expect anyone to help you is beyond me.

and I play in 3×1 Eyefinity with no issues what-so-ever. So yea, its going to be something with only your hardware/software setup.

Zephyr.9576:

So basically the 750 ti will be downclocked by the mobo?

No, it will have 8 of its PCI-E Lanes disabled. The Cards Core and Memory Clocks will not be touched (thats actually controlled via the GPU’s BIOS). But depending on how your PSU heats up, you might want to use MSI Afterburner to downclock by 15-20% to keep your consumption under control.

But this is just theory based on what I know of Small form factor :-)

Zephyr.9576:

What you mean locked at 8x? like i wont get the full power of the card? @ x16? and it does have a 4 pin on the mobo.

Yeah i know its a bit of a overkill psu but i was told not to cheap out on the psu

that 4pin is for the CPU, the 6Pin is for the CPU+MB, you DO NOT have a 4pin for VGA.

If the wattage of the PCI-E Slot is not enough, your PCI-E power management will down lane your card to 8x to conserve power. Saves the card from drawing to much from the slot, which in turn would end up frying your motherboard.

Which is why i said you need to consult your MB’s manual on the subject.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I dont think that your VGA is a bottleneck to you
First change CPU/Mobo/ram
FX 6300/i5 + normal MB + 4 or 8Gb ram

Then wait until maxwell arrive and get R9 280 or new maxwell and buy new PSU (XFX 550W)

His entire system is a bottle neck. The HD7750 (which is SLIGHTLY better then a HD6670), isn’t that good. And while he would gain worlds of performance by upgrading to an i3/i5 over the core2. He doesnt have the cash to drop into a new build right now. So the logical upgrade is to get a card that can be used in a new build (750TI) and go from there.

Zephyr.9576:

I ordered the EVGA 750 ti non sc. Well for the other components I’ve 4 ddr3 533mhz ram sticks ( I know they’re crappy as hell ), and a 5200rpm hdd so i guess there will be power for the 750 ti.

If lets say the manufacturer put a limit of wattage on the pci slot, is there anyway to lift it? thru the Bios or something?. I dont have 700+ bucks to blow on a new system :S.

Will my 32 bit OS impact negatively in the card performance?

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-3751-KR/dp/B00IDG3PRI/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1393017504&sr=8-7&keywords=gtx+750+ti

Do a reinstall on 64bit Windows. Its worth the time investment.

If your PCI-E Slot is wattage limited that’s a hardware issue and cannot be ‘fixed’. Most PCI-E Slots are 35-55w, if you have a 4pin connector on the MB that is dedicated to the PCI-E Brige then your Wattage is 75-110W per PCI-E Slot.

MOST of the small form factor PC’s have their PCI-E Slot set between 18w and 25w and only support the low profile, low wattage cards. You really should consult your Motherboard/System manual for supported GPUs and then look for the supported TDP Wattage table.

And even if you get locked in at 8x, that 750TI is WORLDS better then your HD7750.

locx.6412:

sirsquishy.8531:

dodgycookies.4562:

Some of the versions (like asus) of the gtx 750ti have a 6pin connector, while others (msi) are powered only through the pcie connection.

If you buy one that requires a 6pin connector and your psu doesnt have 4pin molex connectors available for the included adapter, you will not be able to power the card.

make sure you buy the correct version. My suggestion would be the msi version as it doesnt have any extra power connectors required. (I’m a msi fan becasue twin frozr is awesome!)

Also i just remembered the 7750 has low profile versions. If you are using a slim form pc, then you will have to wait until a low profile version of the 750ti is released (which im sure they will eventually.)

The issue is, his PSU is 320W. Its a weird form factor based PC. His PSU has no 6pin connectors for the GPU if it needed power. While the 750TI comes in at about 95w, I think thats pushing his PSU with the other components in his system.

Then he has to consider that the Manufacturer put a watt limit on his PCI-E slot (like my e3010 from Dell…the PCI-E slot only gives off 18w of power) And that will NOT let the 750TI link faster then 8×.

He really needs to build a new PC at this point. The current one is just to limiting, and its only a core2.

GTX 750 Ti has 60W TDP or am I missing something? Also some models, like EVGA’s doesn’t even seem to have a power connector.

Wow, no your right. 60Watt card. I was thinking it was the same wattage as the 650TI (95w-110w). Color me impressed though, 60watts.

Espionage.3685:

Avelos.6798:

I don’t think Asus skimps on anything to be honest. The Ares II 7970X2 graphics card they released was a pretty beastly example of how much effort they put in.

I’ve had two separate occasions where ASUS disappointed me. The first was with my Xonar DG card (driver support was shoddy enough to make me use a modded driver).

The second was ridiculous, basically, it took a few hours to realize that Windows can’t allocate resources to audio properly on a UEFI install. 5 different calls to ASUS support didn’t point anywhere near this being a problem. It took a claim from a random person on some obscure forum with a different ASUS laptop to figure it out (he had the same problem). Reinstalled Windows in BIOS-mode, and all was well.

And in reality, neither of those issues are to fault Asus. EFI support is a windows thing, and driver support is a chipset manufacturer thing.

exemplar.5942:

why would someone DoS attack gw2 seems like a waste of their and everyones time

They aren’t, they are attacking others that share the same internet routing that GW2 uses.

And these attacks are causing issue for plenty of other online games, LoL, WoW, LOTRO, …ect. Its not just GW2 thats affected.

dodgycookies.4562:

Some of the versions (like asus) of the gtx 750ti have a 6pin connector, while others (msi) are powered only through the pcie connection.

If you buy one that requires a 6pin connector and your psu doesnt have 4pin molex connectors available for the included adapter, you will not be able to power the card.

make sure you buy the correct version. My suggestion would be the msi version as it doesnt have any extra power connectors required. (I’m a msi fan becasue twin frozr is awesome!)

Also i just remembered the 7750 has low profile versions. If you are using a slim form pc, then you will have to wait until a low profile version of the 750ti is released (which im sure they will eventually.)

The issue is, his PSU is 320W. Its a weird form factor based PC. His PSU has no 6pin connectors for the GPU if it needed power. While the 750TI comes in at about 95w, I think thats pushing his PSU with the other components in his system.

Then he has to consider that the Manufacturer put a watt limit on his PCI-E slot (like my e3010 from Dell…the PCI-E slot only gives off 18w of power) And that will NOT let the 750TI link faster then 8×.

He really needs to build a new PC at this point. The current one is just to limiting, and its only a core2.

Fermi.2409:

I was just pointing out that the rating should be taken with a grain of salt. Just because it’s an F doesn’t necessarily mean a great deal. It COULD, but it also might not.

They went from F to A because of their partnerships with the 3 big Manufacturers, HP, Dell, and IBM. The BBB does their rating based on Corporation reports as well as Consumer.

So yea, in a way Asus bought that A rating by being the source for the Motherboards that HP, Dell, and IBM use.

Legionnaire.1586:

sirsquishy.8531:

Asus is the manufacturer that builds the Boards that HP, Dell, and IBM now use for all their desktops and Laptops.

2 years, and you had to replace the MB. Anything can cause that, IMHO. I would request the repair and replace report from the RMA department so you know exactly what broke and what they fixed. You might have just been part of a faulty hardware rollout.

Just like the one that All HP based Notebooks that use the AMD GPU’s are affected by, Chipset Separation due to heating/cooling cycling.

So i just called them and they said they have replaced and put in a new Main Board (mother board), d/c holder replaced, d/c cable docking station and a new lower case… im not exactly sure what the holder docking station or new lower case is….

They basically replaced the lower half of your laptop, and then put the palm rest, your LCD, and all the Ribbons from your laptop into the new Base.

that happens when the DC charger board wears out and shorts the Motherboard. Which is not all that common, but does happen.

Asus is the manufacturer that builds the Boards that HP, Dell, and IBM now use for all their desktops and Laptops.

2 years, and you had to replace the MB. Anything can cause that, IMHO. I would request the repair and replace report from the RMA department so you know exactly what broke and what they fixed. You might have just been part of a faulty hardware rollout.

Just like the one that All HP based Notebooks that use the AMD GPU’s are affected by, Chipset Separation due to heating/cooling cycling.