Guild Wars 2

Here maybe you should try the setup mentioned in this thread 16k in .1 seconds the guy claims… Well if you can do it that fast then time warp should be easy peasy.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/New-Engi-100-Nades-build/first#post1204009

I think it will be very good! And it brings to light that engineers are not as Underpowered as people would have us believe… There are a few maps where an engineer could make use of these and surprise the heck out of people leaving them wondering why they instadowned and then look at the log to find out it wasn’t a backstab thief… GOOD SHOW!

nearly insta-rezzed thats funny… You are still maintaining it has no counters… Just because they aren’t easy to pull off or you run a full glass cannon build and have no BALANCE in your traits and equipment set up then you get mad that you can’t handle it… If you main an engi you have A TON of options available to you to counter time warp… And there are several others that have been mentioned that just get blown off… Maybe instead of asking Anet to fix what isn’t broken because timewarp is one of the skills for a mesmer that actually matches the tool tip and behaves properly you should be asking them to fix the engineer nerfs or bugs… Because guess what the mesmers are asking for their bugs to be fixed as well… IT HAS ALSO BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES that if an entire team is making use of time warp in one cap point then that means there are OTHER CAP POINTS that your team can go get… There are NPC bosses that you can go kill to give your team points… All suggestions that you have completely blown off because it doesn’t have us bending over backwards to completely agree and bend to your will… We have also said SEVERAL times that if we knew for a fact that the time warp change would affect PVP only then we would not be as resistant but as all previous mesmer nerfs have not been split we have no reason to believe that this would be any different… Every class has AOE; timewarp should be like a huge target for barrage/firestorm/supplydrop/the time warp your mesmer has since both the profession and skill are SOO REQUIRED to PVP. Then it can just turn into a battle of the timewarps and the highest DPS comes out on top. However! Necro’s wells and rangers barrage are just as big as the time warp if I am correct Thieves cluster bomb is also good plus they can stealth and get into the time warp bubble unnoticed and kill at least 2 people before the team notices… But you will still refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of these counters. And the last point I am going to make killing players in PvP gives less points than ANY OTHER ACTIVITY…. capping points holding points and so on… if an entire team is going all DPS on your butt inside a time warp bubble then that leaves at least one more objective that they aren’t guarding that you can get…. Pvp isn’t a DPS race its a strategizing and coordinated movement… You can have a fully coordinated team of nothing but engineers and rangers and they could still prolly hold their own against a standard team with that one MANDATORY mesmer…

Population of people… Although I wish there was then we could address more thought out issues of people that do the tPvP portion of the game versus the constant complaining of certain things by people that hotjoin and get stomped in spvp

Those are possible counters… Reflection is much better as chances are anyone in the timewarp bubble will be using ranged attacks. Also since it is AOE and all other classes have AOE the should use their AOE on the time warp area… Unlike the solution to people trying to counter a thief stealth… You have a bright purple bubble for a target.

Mesmers have THE WORST Mobility in the game… Portal helps counter that sometimes because its designed to TELEPORT them. We can’t control death… Our DPS is a joke compared to thieves and warriors. Noone can tank like a guardian… Its just getting old fast…. We have one weapon skill that allows group speed and that weapon is a joke… No traits signets or slot skills that guarantee movement speeds. A well placed portal before combat is of high value to the slowest class in the game cuz we can’t tuck tail and run like thieves mist form like ele or have a bagillion blocks like guardian’s and warriors… EVEN NECROS a supposed “neglected” class has a speed buff… Portal is our quick transport mechanism and asking for it to be nerfed or “removed” or shared so other classes can have it is RIDICULOUS. We have a TON of bugs that make our class weak in comparison to others and only a few skills and traits that really shine and we will be up in arms and screaming at the top of our lungs when people start asking for negative adjustments to our class because we have had to deal with them in EVERY patch since release and the qq crowd still won’t stop…

aydenunited.5729:

jportell.2197:

OneManArmy.5617:

Make Portal only self-usable,so only the mesmer can use it. There fixed.

Not there fixed… because portal description is as follows.

Create an entry portal at your location that teleports ALLIES to your exit portal or vice-versa.

It was never designed with the sole purpose for the mesmer to use and the in game description doesn’t say anything about the mesmer using it with the group let alone by themselves…. If it isn’t broken don’t fix it.

You basically said that portals were okay because 99% of mesmers needed them for an escape more than anything, then defend that the entire team should use it. So when you mention mist form, warrior block, etc. etc. those should apply to the entire team as well by that logic.

That’s why it’s so big in PvP, not because the mesmer uses it himself, because a well coordinated team suddenly just jumped 3 guys half a map distance instantly.

And a theif using shadow refuge could do the same except you wouldn’t see them coming and with the size of the maps it wouldn’t matter how fast they got there cuz they would still be in stealth. With portal you see the mesmer plop up right in the middle of you and if an ENTIRE team jumped three guys half a map distance then that means you have two guys to take the two points that the other team is ignoring completely…. But hey thats just me thinking outside the box….

If chuck norris was a character selection people would still whine about mesmers being OP while they played the Chuck Norris character….. You didn’t say why it can’t be countered… you just say it can’t… The ones who say it can be countered have given SPECIFIC reliable ways to do so but they get brushed off as impossible…. Reflection confusion… USING WEAPONS that are longer range than those who are in the time warp… Engineer grenade kits… Warrior rifle… ranger longbow… And the party wide support with no drawback kinda fits the definition of Elite skills… Lets look at confusion as an example of a counter people say that ele’s can get confused into death in tornado form… Same could be said for those inside time warp…

Thats seriously what I feel like. Is that until mesmer no longer has anything to make themselves distinguished as a class only then will some people stop whining. But even then the MAJORITY of these posts will still come up… This is ridiculous

had that happen to me yesterday… freaking ANNOYING.

also one of the traits for glamour skills “blinds targets at the target location” So there in we have additional skills that blind… Null Field and feed back to name too more.

And this is why mesmers are fighting the destroy time warp mantra… because once it is maybe Obsidus or others that thought it was “low man on the totem pole” as their list of perceived problems with mesmers will become more vocal… and the snow ball effect will continue until the class becomes completely useless in all aspects of the game.

OneManArmy.5617:

Make Portal only self-usable,so only the mesmer can use it. There fixed.

Not there fixed… because portal description is as follows.

Create an entry portal at your location that teleports ALLIES to your exit portal or vice-versa.

It was never designed with the sole purpose for the mesmer to use and the in game description doesn’t say anything about the mesmer using it with the group let alone by themselves…. If it isn’t broken don’t fix it.

You know the only reason I use portals and 99% of mesmers I’ve fought use portals? To escape from a fight if we bit off more than we could chew. It is on par with a thiefs stealth. A warriors ability to BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK while moving. An eles mist form. have you noticed how we have no RELIABLE form of speed boosting. That’s because it takes thinking before entering a fight of hey should I drop a portal for me and my team to get out fast. So portal is kinda like our oh crap button much like other classes have in different forms. Begging for this to be changed will def affect mesmers viability as a class. And its not hard to miss a hot pink circle on the ground

Variety will come from a different game design and map design… Not change this class entirely so I can be happy even.tho I will never be happy because I will never be satisfied design.

They dont want to they feel they need to…

Interrupts usually…. and Thts also a counter for tw

Powerr.3649:

well… its unlikely to win a team fight if the enemy has time warp and you don’t. Time Warp is infuriating

Played quite a few tourneys today….used timewarp one time fighting a bunker guard…. Applications are very situational and since your team is trying to hold multiple objectives in PVP. Only 1 or two people aside from the mesmer will be able to make use of it. I have seen it countered I have seen it rendered completely useless by a tanky warrior using whirling attack.and if your ENTIRE team is in one place at one time… Well that’s bad.strategy right there

Neww egg? Never heard of.it

It is not required…. Nothing is required. It is novel and used that is all… This is just as bad as the timewarp argument. If.it happens.just dont let.it affect my game play outside of PvP

Hi so I am currently gaming on a Mac Book Pro 13 in… The experience is okay but as it is not (nor does it seem like it will ever be) a native client for mac I want to get a PC that I can use for gaming… I do not have any one that can “build” one for me nor do I want to go that route…I have looked at Alienware’s x51 pc and here are the specs for the model I am looking at the graphics card options are confusing at best for me so any input on this computer or another desktop would be greatly appreciated.

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-3330 (6M Cache, up to 3.0 GHz)
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yes but NONE of the mesmer changes have been split between PvP and PvE… Not a single 1 that I have found. So I still have VERY kitten good reason to stand my ground.

Angriff.1935:

jportell.2197:

We are fighting your logic tooth and nail

Just because it is someone’s logic it is their way of thinking… Does not make it correct… Mesmers logic is based off a history of this behavior and calling for it to be stopped make sense? Also think of how SMALL the PvP population is compared to the rest of the game base… That is another reason we fight it… WvW isn’t griping about mesmers nearly as much and neither do the PvE threads… SO you ARE OUTNUMBERED in this debate. And all of us presenting counter arguments have had reasonable ones that just get simply dismissed because it doesn’t satisfy your nerf TW desire. And if we KNEW 100% that the ruining of our class would stop at time warp then we may be a little more forgiving but history of threads like these have shown us different… Therefore we give no ground in the matter.

Because it is an elite skill… And one of the ONLY elites that have group utility for a mesmer… It can be reflected it can be countered. What you are arguing if for taking a class that has no other reliable elites and asking for the one they have that is reliable to be nerfed because it doesn’t follow the same lines as UTILITY skills… hence the difference between utility and elite. Tome of wrath has A BUNCH of other skills that is at the guardians disposal. (If i am correct it replaces their weapon skills). The last several threads have gone from nerf thieves to nerf mesmers… People have finally figured out how to counter thieves but now they are on to another class to nerf because they don’t have the forsight to gear for defense… They may have one on a team that is it… The rest of the team is glass cannons 9 out of 10 times… so when they get destroyed by other glass cannons or a skill that grants 10 seconds quickness they qq… Its sickening… Several people who AREN"T mesmers have given logical solutions to counter time warp and the nerf timewarp crowd refuses to listen… IF you do something that forces the people using timewarp to leave the field which is very easy to do or some form of REFLECTION/CONFUSION/RETALIATION it gets back fired… for resses and stomps the utility skills are just as effective because quickness takes those and halves them… if a mesmer is using time warp for stomps or resses then it is wasted on DPS… think about that as well… We are fighting your logic tooth and nail because we know it will not stop at time warp because it has not stopped at other skills that the PvP whiners begged to get nerfed.

Or ranger’s quickening zephyr/engi’s elixir U/ Warriors frenzy…

I love how i mentioned several bugs that make mesmers a lot tougher to play that in some cases can be game breaking for us especially if we want to experiment and nothing was said. Consider also that if a mesmer has to use time warp for resses then the team was prolly in bad shape. If they use it for haste stomps they are just salting the wound and usually when someone downs me unless I have a team mate near by I just die anyway. Supply crate does need buffed sure but I have still been in a team that has gotten facerolled by an engineer with a well dropped supply crate. And I didn’t know that battle standard could be carted over thought it was a one time deal. THAT IS QUITE MORE POWERFUL THEN TIME WARP FOR RESSES… hmmm cuz its not haste its instant! Leveling a mesmer is a pain in the neck I did not feel my character was really viable until I was able to get traits set up. If you want balance stop calling out for nerfs. LEARN TO HAVE A COUNTER STRATEGY. And as far as someone ignoring a post that has a team with no mesmer and did quite well just by experimenting proves that you can roll with out a mesmer thats just asinine. They are NOT mandatory you just think they are… What I don’t wanna see is us to be continually nerfed so bad that we get no spots on teams ever. To the point where its oh man we can’t bring a mesmer they have no group utility. This is my first MMO I have ever played but if people are bringing you expierences from another game of how this same behavior completely ruined classes LISTEN… Maybe its time to stop being so tunnel visioned because you have a few bad matches…I used to hate when I get backstabbed by a thief but instead of qqing I took advice from thieves… I learned how to MOVE and now a thief rarely gets a drop on me… If you want to stand there and beat on each other without any strategy just stop playing all together and go find something else. (If my posts are starting to sound repetitive its because I am hoping that at some point my line of thinking will make sense and be viewed with a rational mind not an OMG nerf this into the ground so I can beat someone and not think.)

^seriously? Osicat is an amazing player that USES skill… IMO mesmers have one of the highest skill caps in the game because they require the most player awareness not just a tank and hit everything while taking the damage.. Especially when it comes to clones…

Ostricheggs.3742:

jportell.2197:

hackks.3687:

jportell.2197:

Because once people start thinking tactically and countering timewarp then people will also stop using timewarp and diversity will come as a result of player decisions… Also by waiting for the game developers to give us DIVERSITY really shows a lack of adaptability… There is a saying Improvise, Adapt, Overcome…. It is applicable here people just have a sense of entitlement because they lost when the feel they shouldn’t have…

… this is hilariously hypocritical.

you’re essentially telling everyone else to L2P so you don’t have to. Everyone else needs to think creatively about THEIR tactics, THEIR ability to counter, THEIR ability to adapt, THEIR ability to diversify. All so you don’t have to figure out how to carry on with a toned down version of TW.

Hilarious.

A toned down version thats fine reduce the length that it is at…. Half it. I am getting at the people that are screaming for it to be removed… If I have to fight a warrior and wasted my endurance I am screwed. I think tactically I enjoy small team play I assess enemies that I am about to face and if I can get the drop on them because they are un aware of their surroundings good for me… If they get the drop on me because I wasn’t look around or if I get backstabbed by I thief that I see stealth because I wasn’t strafing or stun breaking I deserved it. I think on my feet when I play… The people asking for the removal/reduction of this skill are asking for it from a team of developers that still have not addressed in game bugs that have been there since launch… So if something is working as designed let it work as designed and once they get all the traits effects and so on working properly then lets adjust balance from there because then we will have a full perspective of what is and what is not balanced.

Dude. 95% of all game breaking bugs have been fixed. You’re just making stuff up defending a blatantly overpowered elite at this point. I’m perfectly happy with it being 5 seconds. I don’t want to see it nerfed into the ground and I don’t want to see mesmers kicked out of team comps because of a time warp nerf. All I want is a bit of balance.

And to the above poster regarding guardians, it’s a far more complicated effort to reign in the king of bunkers. Time warp is a simple fix to an extremely powerful ability that when coupled with the already powerful portal can make a mesmers presence felt with very little effort or time spent in the fight.

Game breaking Bugs? Lets take mesmers phantasmal haste… DOESN"T WORK… DUELIST DISCIPLINE TRAIT… Increases range and decreases cool down but does NOT increase power. In fact decreases power of the mesmer pistol skills. Stealth is supposed to be similar VERY VERY similar for thieves and mesmers but mesmers cannot stack stealth like thieves… A thief can pop stealth skill after stealth skill while in stealth and not break out… If a mesmer drops a stealth skill while still in another it doesn’t stack in fact the second skill is completely negate… hmmm… deceptive evasion doesn’t have the clone focus on the target that the mesmer is targeted on instead it just auto-targets… And this is a SMALL list from the class I am most familiar with… So yeah there are a lot of BUGS that need worked out for the mesmer class that would help make other builds viable but as it stands we are pigeon holed into using certain builds because they are the least “buggy” for our class…. don’t talk to me about fixed bugs with this man…

That right there is a very well thought out and productive statement… The fact is every class has something they bring to the table… in forms of conditions/condition removal/group defense and group attack utility. Just because people don’t see it doesn’t make it viable. It is QUITE POSSIBLE to match the damage of some classes with say a ranger with GS and quickening zephyr/sharpening stone activated… the bleed damage alone just WRACKS up very fast. And even if one condition removal is used sharpening stone applies to the next 5 or 6 attacks…

Rangers do have Pet health… And I think necros don’t need to worry so much about their pets health because most when most of their pets die they cause a condition or some form of damage I think (just makes sense with the necro design) So they may not care as much about the health of the pet. Ele’s pets are with them for a predetermined amount of time so the amount of health they have is usually irrelevant.

As I understand it mesmers and rangers are the only ones that TRULY need to keep track of their “pets” health because rangers are punished by having a longer cooldown between swapping pets if they summon there alt pet after the other ones been beaten to uselessness vs if they were to summon the other just before it hits 0 health… Mesmers
need to keep track of it because if we have shatter heavy builds then chances are we don’t have it so clones don’t cripple/confuse/cause random conditions when killed so if a clone gets killed right before the shatter button is pushed then the effectiveness is worn down significantly.

So in short the only two professions of the ones that have “pet like” capabilities I think mesmers and rangers are the only ones that really need to keep track of the pets health… If someone that alts a necro/ele comes across this and has more accurate information please post it.

Sprawl.3891:

Wise.8025:

Sprawl.3891:

Follidus.8027:

I really liked what you guys did today. I really liked that you streamed it, because I didn’t even realize you were streaming today!

I hope these vods show people that you can win without a bunker guardian, and without a mesmer. imo trends are started, and then other people copy them because it’s easy. When everyone copies a trend then it becomes “required.”

That lineup today was very scary!

Mesmer make things easier, period. You can be successful with other builds but it requires more work. This is fact. Had they had simply used a portal/TW mesmer and swapped one person out they would have won easier/faster.

So you’re suggesting TP were beat before the match even started? Sorry I disagree. Mesmer may be familiar and therefore easier in that sense but having a specific class in your group does not win the day. Having good players and great teamwork does. Did you hear their communication? Maybe they put in a little more effort because the classes being played weren’t the ones they were most familiar with, but that’s the only reason.

no what im saying is with a portal mesmer you can move multiple people between points instantly which makes any match easier than without one.

You can move between two points instantly for 20-seconds if that and if your team is coordinated…..After which you must wait a minute and a half to drop the opening portal again and then you must drop the exit portal at a STRATEGIC location within a minute. So it makes matches easier for 20 seconds every 2-2 1/2 min.

^ This same logic needs applied to people that complain about fighting mesmers in PvP. Go get a mesmer complete screw doing the pve quests keep it at lvl 1 for all we care. But take it to pvp play around with it and see what you can do against others.

Prelude.3817:

Dude, WvW forum is right below

Culling rendering has also been an issue for some in sPvP.

hackks.3687:

jportell.2197:

Because once people start thinking tactically and countering timewarp then people will also stop using timewarp and diversity will come as a result of player decisions… Also by waiting for the game developers to give us DIVERSITY really shows a lack of adaptability… There is a saying Improvise, Adapt, Overcome…. It is applicable here people just have a sense of entitlement because they lost when the feel they shouldn’t have…

… this is hilariously hypocritical.

you’re essentially telling everyone else to L2P so you don’t have to. Everyone else needs to think creatively about THEIR tactics, THEIR ability to counter, THEIR ability to adapt, THEIR ability to diversify. All so you don’t have to figure out how to carry on with a toned down version of TW.

Hilarious.

A toned down version thats fine reduce the length that it is at…. Half it. I am getting at the people that are screaming for it to be removed… If I have to fight a warrior and wasted my endurance I am screwed. I think tactically I enjoy small team play I assess enemies that I am about to face and if I can get the drop on them because they are un aware of their surroundings good for me… If they get the drop on me because I wasn’t look around or if I get backstabbed by I thief that I see stealth because I wasn’t strafing or stun breaking I deserved it. I think on my feet when I play… The people asking for the removal/reduction of this skill are asking for it from a team of developers that still have not addressed in game bugs that have been there since launch… So if something is working as designed let it work as designed and once they get all the traits effects and so on working properly then lets adjust balance from there because then we will have a full perspective of what is and what is not balanced.

And WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY STATUS QUO? the game is barely six months old… I am by no means bored with it at all.

Because once people start thinking tactically and countering timewarp then people will also stop using timewarp and diversity will come as a result of player decisions… Also by waiting for the game developers to give us DIVERSITY really shows a lack of adaptability… There is a saying Improvise, Adapt, Overcome…. It is applicable here people just have a sense of entitlement because they lost when the feel they shouldn’t have…

After I continued reading you are just suggesting that the other most whined about mesmer traits be put in the shattering place… Hence we will still get whined about.. and then you also suggest that while illusions such as phantasms attack it also delivers a condition to the phantasm as well… Sir I am sorry that is just a reason to not want illusions. This is something that Anet probly couldn’t do at the moment or any time in the next five years seeing as how they still can’t fix several bugs that have existed since launch.

I stopped reading as soon as you said abolish shattering entirely. This is a base mechanic of the class. Something you may find funny… Alot other people that have alted a mesmer just to learn the mechanics of it have a MUCH easier time fighting the mesmers than the ones who whine and cry on the sPvP threads… Balance is built around player choice/runes/traits/weapons/skills… How about you let Anet fix the SEVERAL bugs in this class and OTHERS before suggesting a complete rework of a classes mechanic system…

yes please do elaborate I have avoided mantra builds for the reason that I feel they lack the complete Umph that I like with ether feast. But ever and I mean EVERY class has quirky builds that will help it in a big way. Its just discovering the possibilities ourselves.

Archaon.6245:

I play S/P-D balanced or D/D cond thief, bunker guard and roamer D/D ele…and personally i don’t fear a class in particular…i fear good players whatever they play…

A so called “up” ranger played by a r40+ it’s way more dangerous than an “op” mesmer played by a r20…classes don’t make so much difference, who is behind the keyboard does..

You made me smile. Thank you this is something that all players need to take to heart.

^ SO VERY TRUE… There is a guy on the DR server that is a warrior asura… The funny thing is his asura is the SHORTEST possible height you can make them… its hilarious.

IF you are in combat with a thief and you see he has targeted you strafe don’t dodge because you will need to use that for when they finally do appear and your deceptive evasion clone needs to target the thief not some stupid bunny you didn’t notice until one of your pink dots is gone and you have no clue why. Another good thing to do is just after they go stealth use decoy…. I was in WvW fighting someone else and a thief came over and saw me as an easy kill… I dodged (my mistake) but luckily there were no furry animals around for the clone to kill so he just stood there WITH HIS WEAPON SHEATHED and actully scratched his head I had decoy up so used that (since no enemy was targeted I just went stealth) the thief then came out of stealth before me and began attacking the clone lol… It was hilarious. Needless to say he died… But just think on your feet and you will be fine… Thats the nice thing about this class is it requires a very ACTIVE play style to master which really preps you for thieves.

YourOwnFear.2743:

Levetty.1279:

YourOwnFear.2743:

I love how you partial quote me when I actually break down how we are useful and good in pve. Its a non issue because there is no end game pve and there are no real boss mechanics. There just high hp mobs with easy to counter mechanics. Pvp players would be the best type of players imo because they actually have to counter someone that isnt programmed to follow a set pattern that is easily learned after the first encounter…

Btw this typical pvp elitist does pve every day with his guild.

Yeah man, completely 100% exploration of the world isn’t mandatory to make a legendary or anything.

PvP players being better would normally apply but the players in GW2 just don’t want to learn how the game works, they don’t want to dodge, they don’t want to kill illusions, in fact they hate it when damage comes from any kind of pet hence why Rangers are now being called OP even though they are the least viable in PvP. And most of all they don’t want to learn what other classes can do and how to counter them. PvE monsters can deal with shatter Mesmers, PvPers can’t figure it out.

Are you quoting me by accident? I don’t understand how world exploration was affected by the new update that this thread was discussing. The nerf to shattered strength didn’t kill your exploration ability and neither did the .25 second gcd on shatters. I pointed out how our pve damage is still really good. Our might stacking isn’t stupid op anymore but we did keep our stack duration which was buffed in a previous patch. The .25 gcd doesn’t effect pve since pve monsters skill activation time is at 1/2 a sec or above so you can get 2 shatters off to prepare or stop a skill.

If your going to complain about the lack of perma swiftness then I will suggest you grab a cheap mf set for exploring and throw some runes of the centaur in them. Use mantra heal and profit from perma swiftness.

Your spiel about pvpers in GW2 really shows me your just here to complain. Your statement basically says everyone who pvps in GW2 is bad and doesn’t understand game mechanics. You should try explaining to Osicat how he is bad and doesn’t understand game mechanics (since he pvps). I would like to see how you manage to explain that one seeing as he is a respected mesmer and does guides and videos to explain mechanics and builds. I am sure instead of doing that you will just change your statement to say, “well only most pvpers are bad is what I meant”. You still wont have facts to back this up though.

On the ranger pets being op topic, I cant seem to find any threads taken seriously with complaints about rangers. That would be just as funny as someone complaining about how op engi is.

Lets face the facts. Mesmer is hands down the best class in the game at the moment in pve and pvp. We provide great support while still dishing out great damage (if your in the proper gear and spec) in pve and pvp. We are always excepted into groups for runs, when engis, thieves and sometimes rangers are not. We have amazing escape ability. If speced properly we can heal uninterrupted 3700+ (full clerics with phantasm can net around 4000) hp every 4 seconds. Guardians cant even do that constantly and neither can an ele so that makes us the highest heal per min in the game. On top of that you can spec shatters to heal you an extra 1000 if you need it. We can spec to do around 17k+ burst instantly without running around with 10k-12k health (like a thief). We have multiple ways to stealth, reflect and go immune. We have the best reliable means of stacking confusion. I mean seriously what else do you want for us?

All I want is for changes that come about because of people that call for nerfs on the sPvP thread or the “hardcore” tPvPers who pay because there are so many ask that the change be split between PvP and PvE that way the game experience FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERBASE is not ruined…

Ostricheggs.3742:

I win 90% of my 1v1s with mesmers. It comes down to if I kitten up or not. This isn’t about getting “wrecked” by mesmers, it’s about time warp.

TIme warp is on a similar cooldown to most elites as well with only 30 seconds more than supply crate and 30 seconds LESS than the ranger’s spirit and warbanner.

It is the most powerful elite in the game. Stop resorting to insults and ridiculousness.

It is the most powerful elite in the game IF the team that is using it has good coordination. And if you all think mesmsers are SO MANDATORY in PvP and come across timewarp tell your mesmer ahead of time hey have feedback ready. Or if you have ranger have him do whirling defense. Or if you have a Guardian since they are SO MANDATORY as well have him put up a wall of reflection because one if you are caught inside the time warp alone just LOL… but if your enemies have to range you which lets hope is the case a guardian can put wall of reflection up then all those projectiles that would be combo finishers wind up causing confusion on the team inside the time warp… It is on a similar cooldown as most elites for a good reason. And none of mesmers elites cause direct damage unlike EVERY other profession which has elites that can in some way cause direct damage… So several people including me have given many rational EFFECTIVE counters to time warp… IF you run a team that has no defensive stats what so ever then it is your own fault that you lost the battle from everyone inside that time warp… But even minor defensive skills or a thieves daggers storm (the other most whined about class) will make the team wish they had never even dropped a time warp… IF you want this to turn into I hit you you hit me I don’t need to dodge or think game then go play a traditional turned based RPG… Just because an ELITE skill makes people have to think on their feet does not make it OP.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Yea no kitten. That’s a grenade nerf coupled with a smoke bomb nerf, an elixir R nerf and a downed HP nerf. And I am a kittening engineer. I have 1900 tourneys on an engi. I earn my kills more than anyone by a decent bit. There is NO STRATEGY TO COUNTER TIME WARP.

And for a guy who doesn’t even run time warp, what’s the big deal? It’s clear you don’t see value in it because you obviously don’t TPvP. Your lack of knowledge about the game shows in nearly every single post you’ve made. You’ve been CORRECTED on the information about time warp by an ENGINEER. Quite literally your input is nearly null value aside from the cautionary tale of too many nerf bats making a class go stale. It’s true. But time warp is kittening broken, plain and simple.

Your repeated assertion that everyone needs to “l2p” is countered instantly by you not running time warp and by you not understanding time warp and by yours and others’ continued assertion that it’s counterable BY RETALIATION AND CONFUSION.

A complete counter argument to what you have stated for timewarp being OP is that nearly every other class has a UTILITY (rangers, engis, warriors, thieves, off the top of my head) skill that grants them quickness for a predetermined amount of time (not 10 seconds) and brings it at a cost to the player… Time warp is ELITE so there for it should have a bigger advantage and be at little to no cost to the player or the group. It is also THE ONLY skill in the entire bar available to mesmers that has “quickness” in it.

A lot of the professions that I really like have been changed/nerfed because of qqing on the PVP forums… I am not sure how much the programmers and such listen to the posts in specific forum but if something is going to be adjusted to appease the PvP population please for the love of all that is holy have it only affect the PvP population and not PvE.

Follidus.8027:

Chi Malady.2015:

There really is no need for ranger, engineer, and warrior in the current metagame.

The team QT runs a warrior and wins paid tournaments.

Sataarcoeny’s team periodically runs Ranger and Engineer at the same time and wins paid tournaments.

My team runs ranger and wins paid tournaments.

We fought a super pug (a group full of top pvpers that aren’t all necessarily on the same team) was winning paid tournaments running Ranger/Ranger/Ele/Ele/Offensive Guardian. They were winning without a mesmer, and without a bunker. They beat us twice today, too.

There’s a big misconception that you cannot win if you don’t run certain things, and this is just not true. The reason certain things are considered “required” is because one top team started using it effectively, and everyone else copied them because it was easy to do that.

yes yes yes thank you. I wish more Spvpers had this mindset.

Rezz.8019:

dd ele = op and cheap
bunker guard/ele = op and cheap
mesmer portal = op and cheap
guad/thief/necro/ele/mes team composition = op and cheap

Conclusion: there is no difference between op and cheap

In reference to the mesmer portal being cheap.. When not being used by a team it is simply a get the hell out quick card… I usually drop an enter portal a safe distance away from the fight and if the fight gets crazy in that minute i drop an exit portal then mass invis blink and get the hell outta dodge… SO there is skill that goes in placement and use of a portal…

Darnis.4056:

Pvp community is fine, ques are fast even at ridiculous times like 3am-5am not sure why the lie that no one plays pvp is being propagated on the forums, but I guess if you read these forums for long enough you’ll believe anything.

It is still a VERY VERY small population of the player base of the game and begging for nerf’s or “fixes” to satisfy this small portion will drive away more players than make happy… Make sense?

I mained an engi for awhile but the nerfs became too much.. What I am getting at even If I don’t use TW in PvP is that begging for it to be nerfed will just keep the slippery slope going… The whining and qqing needs to stop yes there are counters to it SEVERAL… I really hope the Devs don’t listen to the forums begging for nerfs because there are just as many people that ARENT mesmers asking for it to not be nerfed…. Plus we are arguing that in that 10 seconds if it really tips the battle THAT much then chances are your team was kinda screwed to begin with coupled with its kitten long cooldown that make it viable once every 210 seconds… I am not trying to attack any one person as you may have just done I am stating that the constant ruining of a class to satisfy a small portion of the game play (I know may 10 people out of 100s that play PvP regularly) is RIDICULOUS…