Mesmer doesn’t deal incredible burst damage anymore. We’re just about meh when it comes to damage. (For those of us that didn’t use the “exploit” we were always meh.) I fight in dungeons with my wife who plays a guard and watch as her auto attack nearly equals my mw at 9 might stacks. Just saying.
Anyway, game is super unbalanced. Either adapt or go play one of the classes that everyone feels are uber.
We still can… We may just have to change up our shatters a little bit… using diversion which when traited for it adds 5 stacks vuln per daze on a foe… coupled with a GS that can be 25 insta stacks of vuln… then u pop some phants or more clones followed by mindwrack… still JUST as powerful.
I’ve been using tornado in WvW a lot, and i’ve never been killed once by confusion, so I think you are doing it wrong.
This is how you should use tornado:
- you see a large group of enemies hitting a door or a wall
– you sneak behind them
– you use Meteor Shower on the back of their group
– you use tornado in the same area that you used Meteor shower and you keep hitting “3” to knock everyone back
– when your HP reach 50%, you drop tornado form, immediatly after you use mist form, and if needed immediatly after, use Lightning Flash to reach the gate of the building you are trying to protect.
– if you get downed because it went wrong, immediatly use vapor form to reach the door as well, and wait for your team mates to ressurect you.The key to use tornado is not beeing spotted before you run into your enemies, else they can cc you and it’s over.
PS: tornado is also great to chase runners. Use ride the lightening, lightening flash to get closer to a runner, use a CC to root him, then use tornado and spam knockback. GG.
^Thank you… I was having a hard time figuring out why a D/D els was whining about some confusion lol… U sir are doing it right.
I love the fact that whenever any arguements about class mechanics go on, no one bothers to mention Necro
Its a little depressing as a Necro player.
Necros are scary so no one will want to kitten them off.
If mesmers could have a skill that made them more annoying than thieves… I say off hand dagger that summons illusionary rogue (#3 Downed state) and then replace number 3 downed state with something as annoying as what thieves get or distortion for downed. Just me thinking of buffs to kinda cheer everyone’s spirits. I know this won’t happen but hey we can dream.
For the people who insist on saying that the global cooldown is a fix, and not a nerf, understand that you are wrong. It is entirely possible for a change to be both a fix AND a nerf, and this is most certainly the case with this change.
What Anet should have done, was actually fix the exploit, without nerfing the rest of the mesmer playstyle. What they ended up doing was fixing the exploit by changing something not directly related to the exploit itself, simply because it was easier to code. This is just pure laziness on the part of the devs, and completely unacceptable.
So you’re saying using mesmer shatters the way I described correct?
The .25 GCD on shattering sounds more like a bug fix to prevent unintended usage of the mesmer illusions.
I asked my mesmer friend what it was because I never knew this bug, and he told me it makes sense to fix it. Why? Well, remember that the f1-f4 abilities do damage/whatever amount it says based on the number of clones? So using f1 SHOULD consume your CURRENT clones. However, with the bug, you could use f1-f4 or use them in a combo, effectively getting the effects of all your clones on different abilities. That’s totally not how mesmer was meant to be played… F1 should just be used for your current clones, and f2-f4 shouldn’t benefit for those clones your f1 is using. That’s my 2 cents.
As far as I know, the f1-f4 shatter abilities are meant for your current clones up, and if you use f1, your current clones should be marked for f1, and f2-f4 shouldn’t affect or count them at all.
So, let’s say they implemented the way I described instead, where your current clones get flagged for f1 and will not be affected by f2-f4. Won’t that confuse the player? Maybe they’ll activate f1 and f2 at the same time, and then notice that f2 did absolutely nothing because the clones are all marked for f1. Wouldn’t a .25 gcd prevent that instead?Please expand and explain why you think otherwise o.O.
That implementation will not confuse the player, because we are assuming that they are halfway competent at playing the mesmer class. Part of playing a shatter mesmer is being able to shatter, pop out more clones, and do a second shatter while the first clones are still running to the target to shatter. This should be possible without causing some sort of exploit that makes mind wrack count clones from another shatter into its damage calculation.
The way the exploit worked was as such: Clones were produced for f3, then shattered. While the clones were in transit to the target, clones were produced, and shattered with f1. The f1 shatter counted both sets of clones into its damage calculation, causing extremely high damage.
The fix to this is obvious, you simply prevent one shatter from mistakenly counting clones that have already been earmarked for another shatter, just like you said. What Anet did is a common enough fix in coding that is used if you want to be lazy, and if it won’t affect the rest of the program. Instead of actually fixing the problem, they changed something else that allowed the problem to be resolved. Unfortunately, they didn’t seem to consider that this change has a very bad effect that is completely unrelated to the bug, and has never existed in the mesmer class, namely needing cooldowns between using shatters.
Overall, while Anet could have simply fixed the bug, they didn’t. They took the lazy coder’s way out by changing something else that happened to affect the bug, and gave mesmers a good strong kick in the family jewels at the same time.
Yes, because it’s absolutely vital that mesmers be able to shatter, pop more clones, and shatter again within a quarter of a second.
There isn’t a single ability in this game that you can expect to be able to counter that takes a quarter of a second to work. If someone’s using an ability you don’t want them to use, don’t use Mind Wrack. If someone uses an ability you don’t want them to use after you use Mind Wrack, pop more clones and use a defensive shatter; it’s gonna take them more than a quarter second to use that ability, and a quarter second is all the time you need.
Any build up traits or things of that nature that you would use an interrupt on take more than 1/4 second to charge. psh even our phant summoning skills take like 1.5 seconds.
So in short I agree.
If they want to have stealth then they should have to sacrifice some burst.
How would you propose this be accomplished?
I have a good counter to it. And I actually think this is viable. If a thief goes stealth for too long fighting an NPC and actually just a few seconds the NPC leaves combat mode and starts to regain health… Same should happen with players… Thereby countering SOME of the burst and so on.
phantasms are better for bosses, and they bring support. shatter is great for trash though, but its trash….personally I enjoy a phant build for pve because I can bring more to a group, but ill shatter phants when i know there going to die or when i need an oh s#@t button =P
Distortion?