Guild Wars 2

skowcia.8257:

If i crack you up then im doing my job right? Just bc some class inst stacked doesnt make it balanced. In cele meta more than 1 thief was a waste, but you always had to pick up one thief which pushed zerk war, zerk ranger (lol), zerk necro out of meta..olny guard was an exception and now you trying to tell me that there wasnt any issues with thief being too strong which been pushing out all zerk builds?

And that mesmer is fine when they can destroy anyone 1v1 in a blind of eye? Thats definitely balanced. Now even a beginner can pick up a mes and do fine, that how faceroll this class became. Im up to nerf rampage a bit, but im also up to tone down mesmer overlords. And if not i want to see other classes being brought up to mesmer level. I want to faceroll keyboard as well. Enjoy it while it last

Brought up to mesmer level? You realize that it’s mesmer that was finally brought up to everyone elses level. Lol.

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

That last statement totally cracks me up. We aren’t a top dog class. That one still goes to eles and warrs. Just look at the last ESL. Double eles everywhere. Hell radioactive the team that gave the abjured quite a run for their money was running double ele and double rampage warrior.

Wow, really wow… using NA ESL as argument, so much competitive. Probably if Abjured would play 5 Rangers, they would win anyway just by outrotating enemies.

However at same time two ESLs happened at EU.

1. : Both teams in finals been focused on Mesmer+Thief.
2. : Winning team was focused on Mesmer+Mesmer+Thief.

Tell me more about Eles outshadowing Mesmers. You got my ear.

What are you talkling about? ORNG did not have two mesmers…. And even more so the mesmer they did have wasn’t running this OP PU build that everyone and their mom is whining about. Also TCG still had double ele.

You guys seriously crack me up.

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

And who keeps mes in check..? Another mesmer? Balance archieved.

Thieves (good ones), any condi class like at all, focus fire, etc. The same thing that kept thieves in check before?

Aha, so “Mes Thief Wars 2”. F everyone else right? Poor mesmers were always “unviable” cus thief too stronk and countered them too hard, nvm other zerk builds that also been unviable due to thief. Howered i dont think thief can keep up to mes anymore. So how about we buff the kitten out of rest and bring them up on par with mesmer? I propose fast hands, cleansing ire, berserker power, burst precision and burst mastery to become baseline for a good start. Equal buffs to everyone.

Lol because a zerker warrior is in a bad spot right now? hahahahahahahahahaahahhahhhhhhhhhhhhh

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah’

Zerker warrior does more than double the damage of the absolute glassiest mesmer builds all while being infinitely more tankier and having so much better escapes in GS.

Yeah warrior is totally weak to mesmer and everyone else right now.

Good troll.

Maybe wanna duel my ranger or guard with your so stronk zerk warrior? Twitch awaits mr “hahahahaha”. So childish btw. Olny thing which goes for war atm is rampage

Yeah and rampage totally isn’t broken.

And yet you have old news as gs war is not able to escape anymore. Ranger gs mobility outruns gs+sword warrior. I also dont think that warrior can oneshot people from stealth nor i dont think they can escape better than a mes. Rampage sure, feels like an iwin button but it doesnt give me much troubles. And it should give you even less so by playing top dog class called mesmer. L2p issue

That last statement totally cracks me up. We aren’t a top dog class. That one still goes to eles and warrs. Just look at the last ESL. Double eles everywhere. Hell radioactive the team that gave the abjured quite a run for their money was running double ele and double rampage warrior.

Yet mes (which btw is still only taken one at a time). Is the one everyone whines about.

Mes is still not top dog.

You sir crack me up.

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

And who keeps mes in check..? Another mesmer? Balance archieved.

Thieves (good ones), any condi class like at all, focus fire, etc. The same thing that kept thieves in check before?

Aha, so “Mes Thief Wars 2”. F everyone else right? Poor mesmers were always “unviable” cus thief too stronk and countered them too hard, nvm other zerk builds that also been unviable due to thief. Howered i dont think thief can keep up to mes anymore. So how about we buff the kitten out of rest and bring them up on par with mesmer? I propose fast hands, cleansing ire, berserker power, burst precision and burst mastery to become baseline for a good start. Equal buffs to everyone.

Lol because a zerker warrior is in a bad spot right now? hahahahahahahahahaahahhahhhhhhhhhhhhh

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah’

Zerker warrior does more than double the damage of the absolute glassiest mesmer builds all while being infinitely more tankier and having so much better escapes in GS.

Yeah warrior is totally weak to mesmer and everyone else right now.

Good troll.

Maybe wanna duel my ranger or guard with your so stronk zerk warrior? Twitch awaits mr “hahahahaha”. So childish btw. Olny thing which goes for war atm is rampage

Yeah and rampage totally isn’t broken.

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

And who keeps mes in check..? Another mesmer? Balance archieved.

Thieves (good ones), any condi class like at all, focus fire, etc. The same thing that kept thieves in check before?

Aha, so “Mes Thief Wars 2”. F everyone else right? Poor mesmers were always “unviable” cus thief too stronk and countered them too hard, nvm other zerk builds that also been unviable due to thief. Howered i dont think thief can keep up to mes anymore. So how about we buff the kitten out of rest and bring them up on par with mesmer? I propose fast hands, cleansing ire, berserker power, burst precision and burst mastery to become baseline for a good start. Equal buffs to everyone.

Lol because a zerker warrior is in a bad spot right now? hahahahahahahahahaahahhahhhhhhhhhhhhh

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah’

Zerker warrior does more than double the damage of the absolute glassiest mesmer builds all while being infinitely more tankier and having so much better escapes in GS.

Yeah warrior is totally weak to mesmer and everyone else right now.

Good troll.

skowcia.8257:

And who keeps mes in check..? Another mesmer? Balance archieved.

Thieves (good ones), any condi class like at all, focus fire, etc. The same thing that kept thieves in check before?

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

As long as the objective of the game is stand in a circle to win. PU will never be better or more desirable over a CI or standard shatter build.

This is ignorant. Just because you need to stand in a circle to win doesn’t mean that it’s you personally that needs to be doing the standing. Not only do you have to stand in a circle to win, you have to be standing in the circle with no enemies to win. PU shatter facilitates the no enemies part.

Still lacks the overall damage of a CI, or a MoF mesmer. PU is a very selfish build otherwise.

But we can agree to disagree I guess. I will never see PU as more desirable for even a bunker mesmer who could bring the stab on shatter trait over PU. +

CI adds nothing to your damage from an instant burst. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

MoF adds maybe 5% to your damage from an instant burst.

Overall, taking illusions over PU is a completely irrelevant change with respect to burst damage.

You’re simply ignoring how to use PU. You don’t use it for bunkering. You don’t use it for standing in a circle to win. You use it to gain a positional advantage and a defensive advantage on a very glassy character.

Which I can do just fine on a mesmer that doesn’t use PU and still has the significant burst that you see as irrelevant (BTW I’m not the only one, shatter burst is more than likely going to be the meta build for mesmers still.) . Also so can many other mesmers that don’t use PU. PU is not now nor will it ever be superior to any of the many other options a berserker mesmer can take.

You’re completely misreading what I wrote. Shatter burst is not irrelevant, obviously. The change in amount of burst you can do between taking PU in chaos and taking MoF in illusions is an absolutely irrelevant change. In other words, taking illusions doesn’t let you burst harder.

CI doesn’t let you reposition easily without using blink or other cooldowns. PU does, and gives you leisurely time to pick out a juicy target for bursting that isn’t using active defense.

CI doesn’t let you +1 a side point entirely from stealth, allowing you to instakill the enemy without them ever seeing you approaching.

CI does let you provide more sustained pressure in a team fight, and allows you to come equipped with more cc in general for control of fights and enemy players.

The two traits are both good choice. Indeed, I play both of them from time to time. However, saying that PU is absolutely inferior to all the other choices is nothing but ignorant and foolish, in complete denial of the utility and opportunities that it provides.

Considering it is a team game as you said, and considering what you just said about CI. You have made my point. Yes keep taking PU all you want. I’ll keep running shatter and having people whisper me calling me cheap for running PU even though I’m not. Yes it is inferior considering what most team comps are running lately. Helseth tried PU in the ESL then immediately swapped to something else after.

NA mesmers aren’t even touching PU and doing work with it. The only ones that feel that PU is absolutely necessary, are people who think that it brings more to a team game over CI or illusions with mental anguish.

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

As long as the objective of the game is stand in a circle to win. PU will never be better or more desirable over a CI or standard shatter build.

This is ignorant. Just because you need to stand in a circle to win doesn’t mean that it’s you personally that needs to be doing the standing. Not only do you have to stand in a circle to win, you have to be standing in the circle with no enemies to win. PU shatter facilitates the no enemies part.

Still lacks the overall damage of a CI, or a MoF mesmer. PU is a very selfish build otherwise.

But we can agree to disagree I guess. I will never see PU as more desirable for even a bunker mesmer who could bring the stab on shatter trait over PU. +

CI adds nothing to your damage from an instant burst. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

MoF adds maybe 5% to your damage from an instant burst.

Overall, taking illusions over PU is a completely irrelevant change with respect to burst damage.

You’re simply ignoring how to use PU. You don’t use it for bunkering. You don’t use it for standing in a circle to win. You use it to gain a positional advantage and a defensive advantage on a very glassy character.

Which I can do just fine on a mesmer that doesn’t use PU and still has the significant burst that you see as irrelevant (BTW I’m not the only one, shatter burst is more than likely going to be the meta build for mesmers still.) . Also so can many other mesmers that don’t use PU. PU is not now nor will it ever be superior to any of the many other options a berserker mesmer can take.

Fay.2357:

jportell.2197:

As long as the objective of the game is stand in a circle to win. PU will never be better or more desirable over a CI or standard shatter build.

This is ignorant. Just because you need to stand in a circle to win doesn’t mean that it’s you personally that needs to be doing the standing. Not only do you have to stand in a circle to win, you have to be standing in the circle with no enemies to win. PU shatter facilitates the no enemies part.

Still lacks the overall damage of a CI, or a MoF mesmer. PU is a very selfish build otherwise.

But we can agree to disagree I guess. I will never see PU as more desirable for even a bunker mesmer who could bring the stab on shatter trait over PU. +

Besetment.9187:

jportell.2197:

Because as a PU mesmer your entire build revolves around stealth. Can’t cap a point in stealth.

Not to mention you are gimping your phantasm’s damage by not taking phantasmal fury.

Any build that takes PU for conquest is bad.

What on earth are you talking about? PU is great for stealth team burst in the same way shadow refuge was and continues to be. Its even better than refuge in solo queue because you don’t even need to get your teammate’s attention and wait for them to stand still.

If you are fighting on point and you must disengage using stealth, then you were probably going to die anyway. Everyone knows stealth is a great defense mechanism for skirmishing, but its an option of last resort when you are fighting on point and you are the only one contesting it.

PU is great for engaging and disengaging. Some of the boons that pulse in stealth from PU are really good so you can engage with aegis and protection. Stealth stomps are great when they pulse aegis. Stealth disengaging is safer. PU has great synergy with Master of Manipulation since it not only reduces the cooldown of Mass Invis to 72 seconds, it also gives you projectile reflection so rezzing through downed cleave is safer. The increased duration helps you get the boons you need.

Long stealth allows you to move between points in a straight line and completely avoid skirmishes you don’t want to get into. If you are a roamer, a significant amount of time during each match will be spent moving between points to +1 the right fights.

Saying PU is bad for conquest is really silly and of all people, you should know better.

Okay and when the stealth runs out? Then what. The mesmer damage is kitten.

The reason SA thieves can do what they do now is it doesn’t kitten their damage like before. However if a mesmer does that they are severely hampering their damage by not taking CI, or just going into a different tree all together.

As long as the objective of the game is stand in a circle to win. PU will never be better or more desirable over a CI or standard shatter build.

Shaogin.2679:

jportell.2197:

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

Just had a match against 3 rampage warriors….

Yeah rampage is fine. Totally okay. It doesn’t do any of the following

• Endless mobility
• Spammable CC
• Super high Health
• Reduce incoming Damage
• Proc passive endure pains.
• and definitely no damage.

Yup rampage is fine because it totally doesn’t have any of those things and that makes it totally okay. If anything maybe this skill needs buffed eh?

/sarcasm off.

Said a guy that defend the most op class ever made; mesmer. Just go in the endless stealth and moa him…..

Lol good mesmer builds don’t use PU.

The build in your signature uses PU. Just saying.

Not like any of this matters. I’m assuming attempts will be made in the future to balance damage back down to where it should be, and Rampage is no exception.

Look at how old that effing build is holmes. I’m just too lazy to change the sig. I am running Dom/Duel/illu shatter.

Zerker ammy. No maruader carebear BS. High Risk high reward.

skowcia.8257:

jportell.2197:

Just had a match against 3 rampage warriors….

Yeah rampage is fine. Totally okay. It doesn’t do any of the following

• Endless mobility
• Spammable CC
• Super high Health
• Reduce incoming Damage
• Proc passive endure pains.
• and definitely no damage.

Yup rampage is fine because it totally doesn’t have any of those things and that makes it totally okay. If anything maybe this skill needs buffed eh?

/sarcasm off.

Said a guy that defend the most op class ever made; mesmer. Just go in the endless stealth and moa him…..

Lol good mesmer builds don’t use PU.

Morwath.9817:

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

If Thief is blind-spamming then he has no Initiative for other things.

And if the mesmer is using his shatters for blind spam he is gimping his damage.

Coloxeus.3480:

This mez perfected the Rotation of Distortion>Stealth>Dodges>Blurred Frenzy and what really annoys me are these blinds on shatters and he is just untouchable!!
Kudos to Hyperion Xnm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6A5Q-7Reg

lol PU… just LOL… NO its not OP in this context and not i’m not saying that because i use it.

I run Dom/Duel/Illu.

Just had a match against 3 rampage warriors….

Yeah rampage is fine. Totally okay. It doesn’t do any of the following

• Endless mobility
• Spammable CC
• Super high Health
• Reduce incoming Damage
• Proc passive endure pains.
• and definitely no damage.

Yup rampage is fine because it totally doesn’t have any of those things and that makes it totally okay. If anything maybe this skill needs buffed eh?

/sarcasm off.

Coloxeus.3480:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6A5Q-7Reg

Lol if you had been fighting a good shatter mes like Night, you wouldn’t have even had the duel last that long. I said it once and I’ll say it again. Griping about PU is conquest is only gonna make the arkitten mesmers that use that stupid trait, think they are actually so good they deserve to be complained about.

Because as a PU mesmer your entire build revolves around stealth. Can’t cap a point in stealth.

Not to mention you are gimping your phantasm’s damage by not taking phantasmal fury.

Any build that takes PU for conquest is bad.

PU will never be desirable over any of the other traits in that tree. Just no.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Nah. It’s a great trait simply for the fact that it opens up build diversity. It allows for a defensive option in place of other defensive options. Stick with removing the hits through evade thing and you’ll be golden.

I’m not running it btw.

Yeah the bug of it going through evade is so annoying. Otherwise it’s fine.

Rampage, the only absolute only reason that Radioactive did as well as they did against ApeX this last weekend.

Kreweless.2196:

Maybe Backstab should have a cool down. Just maybe.

Just because you can’t beat a thief as a mesmer when mesmer now does extremely well against thief doesn’t mean it needs a CD. Also this thief really has no defensive anything at all if he is hitting this hard.

Just saying.

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

It’s easy to predict an instant skill that will be casted on you to interrupt something if the mesmer is knowing what he’s doing? Please teach me.

The amount of cc mesmer has is way more than anyone can have stunbreaks, I don’t really see your point there. If you’re patient enough, you’ll be able to bait out stunbreaks and then burst them down.

Yes, I play ele mostly. However, I play zerker fresh air and nope it’s not really that easy to deal with mesmers atm. Maybe ele has the least issues, but that doesn’t make it any easier.

Wait wait. So you run a full glass one shot build (that is now more survivable than before) and you are whining about another one shot build? Lolol

Also S/f or S/d. If its S/f i cant even begin to think what you are doing wrong especially with obsidian flesh.

Speaking of fresh air…. isnt that the king of instant cast over the top damge skills? Yeah. I thought so

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

Teams that have won most major tournaments? Lol no.

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Think it’s hard for a mesmer to prevent its target from pressing any skills and standing still? I wouldn’t say so.

If u break the stun or dodge (yes it’s easy to predict when they will be using mantra of distraction on you.)

And as far as catching somone the only class in game mesmer has ever been able to catch was maybe necros.

You main ele, I know you do. Your class is prolly having the least amount of trouble right now with mesmers. And if you actually are. Then. Lol

Loyo.8526:

I feel like we are at dhuumfire phase all over again, but atleast this one is easier to fix and not as braindead.

You guys realize that nothing on mesmer is that much different as far as damage goes. Mental anguish only works if you are standing there eating all the burst not pressing any of tbe buttons.

Yes the damage is more. But not as much as people are making it out to be. Mesmer is not perma stealthing while doing this much damage. Why? Because the trait for permastealth completely competes for damage bonuses in the same trait tier. The interrupt build is actually much less survivable than before, and a shatter build completely depends on you standing there sitting on your hands doing absolutely nothing to avoid the burst.

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

So yesh sure mesmer is totally Op. Just keep telling yourself that.

Furious interruption should not strip boons…

Why?

Because we have shattered concentration. What good is shattered concentration if furious interruption does that?

Makes no sense…

Saiyan.1704:

desertleaf.5403:

An easy fix which ill be ignored as usual.

Make conditions reduced by Armor. As of now Conditions are BEFORE ARMOR.

TO balance out the insane Condition frenzy, Anet needs to make ARMOR factor in.

If you’re going that route then just make Protection effect Conditions instead of Armor..

Or why not both? I mean protection is supposed to be the opposite of vulnerability. And vulnerability now affects condi damage.

SlimChance.6593:

Some might even consider CS as more powerful than PB.

I’m trying to come up with a solution before CS gets the nerf hammer and it gets reverted back to what it was. Or worse. I think making it a GM, is a good choice.

Number one. I don’t know who thinks CS is more powerful than PB? I don’t think I’d even notice if CS got completely removed. And I know of a few others that agree with me. You are comparing apples to oranges. I think one good idea if anything on this should be changed (and IMO none of it should be changed.) Is to make CS a stun when you interrupt an opponent with a daze. That way it isn’t guaranteed to stun if the person isn’t spamming skills. Another thing to keep in mind right now Everyone and there effing mother is running full glass, max damage one shot specs. Eles, guards, mesmers, thieves, necros, and warriors. Are all experimenting with extremely high DPS builds.

The QQ and the nerfs should not be happening now. Not to mention if you look at this last weeks ESL. No team was running more than one mesmer. And even then the teams that did have mesmer for the most part only did “okay.” I didn’t finish the EU ESL but I think they won with that mesmer. I don’t think however the mesmer is the reason they won.

So yeah. The QQ and nerf calling needs to stop.

….. LOLOLOLOL. Comes from whining about mesmer being OP to whining about necro which still has the ability to completely turn a team figh.

Just lol man.

Flumek.9043:

Why was weakness added to power block?

I feel like salty jelly on necro when some have almost equal uptime on a debuff, and its part of the instaburst rotation/opener,
while i need 2s of cast/aftercast/landtime/no blind to land weakness – and that is mostly after the 15k opener while i would need it also instastart.

Because it allows mesmers to deal with thieves damage. Through interrupts. ANet has acknowledged that it’s silly for mesmer to never be able to punish a thief through interrupts. So what did they do? They gave mesmer one damage modifying condition specifically for thieves. But yea. Mesmer so over the top atm.

jayson.6512:

Mesmer right now does not required player skill i don’t care if they have stealth or clones or illusions i can beat them pre patch if i play right or i read how my opponent play his/her mesmer but right now i feel like they are on steroids.

So you beat every single mesmer ever prepatch? And now post patch mesmers are over the top? Sounds like you’re demanding anet to make mesmers a free kill to me. I have more hours on mesmer than most in the game (doesn’t mean I’m a great mesmer just means i have experience with this class.), and I can honestly say that compared to most classes mesmers are only currently bringing good damage and CC to a match. Nothing else really because if a mesmer is running mantra of distraction chances are they aren’t running portal. And a interrupt mesmer has at most 1 stealth.

If the mesmer isnrunning PU than just like before the patch. They are COMPLETELY NEGLIGIBLE and a total hindrance to their team.

If it’s a shatter mes running dom/duel/illus then they can be scary, but no scarier than a shatter mesmer was before in relation to other classes in the game.

And for everyone that’s saying mesmer was “viable” in every other meta ever.

-helseth disagrees (mesmer wasn’t viable he was)
-sup cutie openly said it on the mesmer forums that mes was more of a detriment to a team than a thief.
-all major tournaments (WTS, ESL monthlies, and TOL) with the exception of random wins here and there, mesmer was regularly not on a winning team.

So can we please stop since mesmer is FINALLY on equal footing with other classes and you guys finally have to learn to counter them.

Morwath.9817:

Well, they should decide if they want Mesmer to be:
-> Guy with the best CC in game.
-> Guy with good survi, stealth and ports.
-> Guy with highest burst on demand.

All of those shouldn’t happen at once within one build.

Mesmer burst has never nor will ever be “on demand”.
Mesmer condi clear is still worse than its main competitor (thieves ),
Our CC is not the “best”. We are the most rewarded for interrupts which requires good timing.

If it’s a mental anguish mesmer they have to be able to really land mindwrack when the target isnt doing anything. Which happens how often in this spam fest?

Now there is the argument of the mesmer clones actually making it to the target to shatter.

Mesmer still cant successfully contest a point against a guard, ele, warrior, or necro.

So really the only thing you people have to whine about now is that mesmer can FINALLY compete/outclass a thief when it comes to +1ing fights.

I see no problem here.

TyPin.9860:

apharma.3741:

So answer my question which you selectively ignored. Give me one reason why it is acceptable that a thief can burst as high, if not more so, from stealth of an equal or greater length with a double stun (now basi venom is 2 charges base) and it is suddenly OP for mesmers to get a bit more stealth from a GM trait which doesn’t even compare to the amount of stealth a thief can stack for themselves and their party?

First, thief stealth itself can be countered already. For instance, I have now some experience with lock down after the patch. I can deny any stealth from D/P thieves with my lock down build. I will use D/P as reference now, because this is what I meet with the new skill system. Didn’t meet a S/D for instance or even P/D condi.

Getting into stealth:
First there is the Pistol #5 into Hear Seeker. The moment I see the blind field they are stunned and often interrupted. Shadow Refuge -> I push them out. So their potential burst can be mitigated by denying them stealth. I admit this was a bit idealized and in the actual fight, if the thief is clever, he can try to abuse LoS to get his skills off. So this point is only partly valid. The only instant stealth they got which I can’t deny reliably deny is steal itself.

Executing the burst:
The other issue is, that thieves have less time to get their burst out. And they need to go melee to do it. Of course they have teleports such as Steal, Infiltrator Signet or Shadow Step. But those are, as well as our Decoy and Torch #4 also their defensive skills. The point is, as Thief, it is definitely harder to get your burst of and you risk yourself.

My actual point:
I am not against Mesmer doing high burst damage from stealth. I am against giving Mesmers an “eternity” of stealth to have time to set up their burst.

Even if PU does grant an “eternity” of stealth. The burst will not hit as hard as it would from say a 6/6/0/0/6 full on shatter mes. Which btw doesn’t take PU. If we are talking WvW then who cares. WvW has never nor will ever be balanced.

Nix.3152:

so you cant get extra vitality from alchemy anymore and you run around with 15900hp if you are rabid. this is kinda aids with all the dmg that is going in the game after patch. you can get oneshoted with 1900 toughness after patch. as engi you need precision in condi build so you cant run carrion. rampagers is an option but it is not a big difference. anet pls.

At least you have toughness shatter mesmer says hi!

Laraley.7695:

jportell.2197:

My big issue is they still haven’t put in a proper tutorial for kittens joining pvp.

“HEY GUYS LETS ALLL GO LORD AT START!”

Doesn’t the lord drop in 2 seconds now though with all this power creep?

Doesn’t help if you have nothing but bunkers running for the lord. Seriously, the amount of “DERRRRP” right now is kinda sad.

My big issue is they still haven’t put in a proper tutorial for kittens joining pvp.

“HEY GUYS LETS ALLL GO LORD AT START!”

So if you miss backstab you get revealed? I did not see this in the patch notes. O.o

jbondo.9817:

I don’t know where to begin.
I don’t want to explain…..

But,

What are some other MMO’s with interesting PvP?
Anyone have any suggestions?

Trust me you won’t be missed >.<

Weapons???

Sadrien.3470:

jportell.2197:

Sadrien.3470:

jportell.2197:

SlimChance.6593:

I think a better question would be: “Is having IP baseline enough to live without DE?”

I’m kinda thinking that maybe illusions will be less necessary for shatter builds. I know it sounds weird. But really I think chronomancer can run a shatter build w/o the illusions tree.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense, no one has been planning to run illusions with power shatter since they anounced the changes and illusions offers no clone generation.

This comment was made before the ready up today.

the ready up today has absolutely nothing to do with it. They didn’t even show any mesmer changes on it.

If you look at the other threads they still released the fricking changes with the ready up! It’s one thing for pyro to be condescending toward people but he comes at it with a little more than just putting people down. You are bringing nothing other than a statement that was made with different information from what there is now.

Sadrien.3470:

jportell.2197:

SlimChance.6593:

I think a better question would be: “Is having IP baseline enough to live without DE?”

I’m kinda thinking that maybe illusions will be less necessary for shatter builds. I know it sounds weird. But really I think chronomancer can run a shatter build w/o the illusions tree.

Your comment makes absolutely no sense, no one has been planning to run illusions with power shatter since they anounced the changes and illusions offers no clone generation.

This comment was made before the ready up today.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Gotta head home from work, will update when I get there.

Dat lock-on tho!

RIGHT!? Ugh Engis are why we can’t have nice things lol jk.

Curunen.8729:

jportell.2197:

Curunen.8729:

I’m crossing my fingers hoping they don’t slap a horrible ICD on Evasive Mirror…

RIGHT! it is just sooo good lol. +

Thank you – another reason for zero ICD.

I don’t think it will because like anything else that is on dodge for mesmer it is totally dependent on endurance.

Curunen.8729:

I’m crossing my fingers hoping they don’t slap a horrible ICD on Evasive Mirror…

RIGHT! it is just sooo good lol. +

Levetty.1279:

Oh God the power creep so far.

Because engineers totally needed to get stronger. -_-

nearlight.3064:

jportell.2197:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

jportell.2197:

SlimChance.6593:

I think a better question would be: “Is having IP baseline enough to live without DE?”

I’m kinda thinking that maybe illusions will be less necessary for shatter builds. I know it sounds weird. But really I think chronomancer can run a shatter build w/o the illusions tree.

I’m pretty sure you’re right. Shatter Mesmer can now get some good options from either Inspiration (Condi cleanse + Heal shatter) or Chaos (Chaotic Interrupt, Stability+Boon on Shatter) too, not even considering the Chrono stuff and F5 shatter.

Master of Frag is the only reason to go into Illusions

And it is really just rolling precise wrack, confusing cry, imbued diversion, and masterful reflection all in one. I mean really the only big plus from that is imbued diversion. As far as reflects go, shield is going to be a lot better for reflects now. Imbued diversion is cool, but we found ways to be without this before since it competed for illusionary persona. Really the only thing I see a shatter mes losing out on by not going into illusions is Illusionists celerity, and shattered strength.

Doesn’t tides of time just destroy, not reflect projectiles?

You’re right it does just destroy. I still am kinda getting the feeling that shatter mes can get away without using illusions soon. Idk.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

jportell.2197:

SlimChance.6593:

I think a better question would be: “Is having IP baseline enough to live without DE?”

I’m kinda thinking that maybe illusions will be less necessary for shatter builds. I know it sounds weird. But really I think chronomancer can run a shatter build w/o the illusions tree.

I’m pretty sure you’re right. Shatter Mesmer can now get some good options from either Inspiration (Condi cleanse + Heal shatter) or Chaos (Chaotic Interrupt, Stability+Boon on Shatter) too, not even considering the Chrono stuff and F5 shatter.

Master of Frag is the only reason to go into Illusions

And it is really just rolling precise wrack, confusing cry, imbued diversion, and masterful reflection all in one. I mean really the only big plus from that is imbued diversion. As far as reflects go, shield is going to be a lot better for reflects now. Imbued diversion is cool, but we found ways to be without this before since it competed for illusionary persona. Really the only thing I see a shatter mes losing out on by not going into illusions is Illusionists celerity, and shattered strength.

SlimChance.6593:

I think a better question would be: “Is having IP baseline enough to live without DE?”

I’m kinda thinking that maybe illusions will be less necessary for shatter builds. I know it sounds weird. But really I think chronomancer can run a shatter build w/o the illusions tree.

Do you think it’s possible that the chronomancer has finally given mesmers a way to play competitively without DE? I’m up in the air and won’t make a final decision on it until after release. But I think alacrity, plus weapon traits, and the “chronophantasm” and “clone” trait where they respawn immediately on shatter may make it possible.

Thoughts?

Dude stop whining about clone death being nerfed. Not to mention our overall condi application for mesmers got buffed.
Seriously just stop.