Guild Wars 2

Dual.8953:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Thaddeus.4891:

If they make support more relying on build and gear, you could achieve a better balance between DPS and Support build.

And why, pray tell, would anyone want that? Are you absolutely sure that state of affairs (LF1m Supported Geared Guardian) is better than what we have now? It’s different yes, but I would say you could not prove to me that it would be more fun or better. Therefore it would simply be changing for the sake of change, which is among the worst reasons to change things, especially when the current state of affairs is working as intended.

There a multitude of players who want to run utility centered specs, but are completely snubbed by the current dungeon meta because their spec doesn’t do high DPS, so I say yes, there is a calling for change.

Snubbed by the current dungeon meta? So you don’t like that they can’t get into a meta run? How often do you even see a meta run on the lfg? Almost never. I’ve seen more “need tank”, “need tanky guard” lfg’s than “meta” lfg’s. So I guess non-tanks are getting snubbed too…

laharl.8435:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

#Confessions

I bought a lovestruck greatsword skin for my Mesmer.

:x

Anyway, Lupi’s kick. Didn’t someone say they experienced a triple Lupi kick once? Dat RNG!

I think Mexican Cookie. I’ve seen double kick many times, never seen the triple (I think, I seem to play half asleep a lot).

Side note, the rarest thing I’ve ever seen. The lonely undead zerker everyone runs past going into the room before lupi. He’s just after the Hunter with trash mob pack. That zerker was once an illusionist.

Now that I think of it. I think I was with Cookie when the zerker was an illusionist because I’m pretty sure I remember him saying he’d seen it before. Maybe his account is bugged for weird crap to happen. I think DeKeys was there too.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

#Confessions

I bought a lovestruck greatsword skin for my Mesmer.

:x

Anyway, Lupi’s kick. Didn’t someone say they experienced a triple Lupi kick once? Dat RNG!

I think Mexican Cookie. I’ve seen double kick many times, never seen the triple (I think, I seem to play half asleep a lot).

Side note, the rarest thing I’ve ever seen. The lonely undead zerker everyone runs past going into the room before lupi. He’s just after the Hunter with trash mob pack. That zerker was once an illusionist.

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re missing the point. The fact is that hardcore pve in this game has been reduced to players using bad game mechanics(bad mob/boss mechanics and fgs stacking) to rush through dungeons. I think its also sad because I dont think the players are bad but I think the content offered is so easy(besides liadri which was certainly more difficult and fun and felt rewarding upon completion) that players are forced to make up new ways to make it challenging. Make liadri difficulty 5 man instances and that would be pretty cool.

Yes, that would be nice. But you’d see those same people from the speed run video’s crushing it and yet tons of qq posts that it’s too hard, heck we’ve already seen it many times. Most of the people in those guilds are the person that runs full zerker melee in a pug fractal 50 and outlasts all the ranged bunker builds because he know the game and the mechanics and has the skill to back it up. Get 5 players like that together, organized on mumble and they will always crush content. And they’ll make it look so easy that onlookers will watch and say that takes no skill.

Like others have said, there is a rhythm to his attacks. If you have latency you can familiarize yourself with when you think he’ll kick and dodge in advance. If you’re latency is low it’s quite easy to see the tell and dodge accordingly, assuming you’re not double clicking for dodge. I personally watch for him to slightly crouch.

Dynnen.6405:

1) Burning DPS build is pretty straight forward…take all the burning traits
2) This video shows how little they know about how this game actually works.
3) Sigil of night is really powerful?……………………………………………………………………………wow

Hmm, this video made me think they’re actually starting to figure the game out. And 10% damage increase from a sigil? Yeah, that’s pretty kitten good.

Who’s obal?

Wow, this is back when I was still using AH. I made the switch to meta and I’m 10x the player I was while using AH. AH made me lazy, I never had to learn any mechanics. It also held me back from excelling at the game. Crutch is an appropriate term.

DogCompany.1062:

Berserker-Type professions are simply required to join any party.

I wish people would do their homework before making these claims. All you have to do is look at the lfg.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mcGuhizHEnU

You’re not being punished for not crafting. You’re just not being rewarded for not crafting.

Dual.8953:

DogCompany.1062:

maxinion.8396:

The roles of dps/tank/healer are old and boring, and done to death by other games. (Though we could always use more— condition could be improved, etc.)

I understand that this game doesn’t need Tanks/Healers and that was definitely a topic that concerned me the most. First, I enjoyed playing the role as Healer. I don’t mind having others do the majority of the Damage. Since that was my first build as a Guardian, it quickly grew outdated and unwanted as Guild Wars 2 became more populated. Therefore, I was forced to change to a different build and train myself in that new combat style that the majority of players prefer or else threaten dismal from the party.

So, in the end, has Guild Wars 2 become such a linear game, in which, players must continue to update their build, play-style, and meet a standard to enjoy the game?

That’s about my problem with the whole Zerker thing. If you want to play in some way other then the current DPS meta, you’ll have difficulty finding a party. Shame too because this linearity exactly what a lot of players came to GW2 to escape. This mentality is largely driven by players’ desire for gold gain.
I can think of 3 solutions off the top of my head.
1) Increase the difficulty of dungeons to the point that full Zerker parties won’t work.
2) Add challenges that target specific skillsets
3) Make the dungeon rewards undesirable to farmers

Wrong. It’s faster to find a party with no prerequisite than a zerker party. It’s especially slow to find a meta party from the lfg.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

path 3 is the least annoying path if you’re pugging. if you pug p2 pugs will stack too near alphard and get the whole party killed (if they melee, though I think some pugs range), and they will take years to do the spider/end skips.

Seems pugs mostly range Alphard. The boat skip seems to be pretty standard again as well.

Pretty much what Ena said. I’m from a speed clearing guild and run meta as well, but I’ll lead anyone through arah. However I’d rather only train lupi melee with at least zerker gear, meta or close to it. And only good builds will get on the friend list for possible regular runs. I had a cleric guardian want to learn melee lupi so I duo’d to lupi with him. Seemed he didn’t really want to take my advice, he mostly just wanted me to get him there so he could practice, I think he just wanted to see if he could tank lupi solo as he wasn’t very into dodging. He told me his solo style is different since his build is different, so I said I guess there isn’t much I can teach then. (no offense if you’re reading this)

Walling only prevents one skill – Frenzied Blast. You can still easily prevent bubble if you fight him in the middle. I’ve noticed sometimes there are even places in the middle where he will let you stay just in his circle (kind of on the edge) without him moving, meaning he won’t use frenzied blast even in the center.

Kumu Honua.2751:

You two need a room.

lol, indeed.

The misinformation I was referring to was the same post Obtena was referring to.

CYB.9012:

Just run knights gear with zerker trinkets, hammer + mace/shield.
You will be able to mitigate loads of dmg and heal / protect your group while dpsing.

I’m not into melting mobs or seeing a cascade of numbers, I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.

Iris Ng.9845:

It took me two hours to finish Arah P3 with my (social) guildies today. I’ve just realized that I’m not up to that skill level yet. The Lupi fight was the pain in the rear. I don’t know what is worse; like how some people rudely interrupted my explanation and expected it went smoothly by itself. Or some kid wanted to prove his solo ability but didn’t have the skill to back up his brag. Or chasing Lupi around and watching his HP go down pitifully slowly. Or die helplessly in the Bubble City because kitten it, I’m out of tricks. The fight at the Wraith Lord was nothing better. I dropped FGS down just to… stare at the thief who broke stack and kited the boss around. His reason is: ‘I die every time I stack!’. Oh well…

That’s the reason I had to eventually leave my casual guild. Most of them had no desire to improve. They would only run arah with me and lupi could be practically be a roadblock. Pugs were better by far.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

laharl.8435:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

laharl.8435:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Obtena.7952:

laharl.8435:

Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.

Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .

You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.

It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …

I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.

If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?

I pointed out misinformation and you called me a brick wall and implied I am toxic. You get so uptight anyone mentions a meta build, they’re just builds, no one is forcing anyone to use them. However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game. As such, I will recommend them. At least people will be informed of the pve meta game. If they don’t want to use the builds, fine, I have no ill will as I’ve already stated.

I have no idea where you’re getting your misinformation about me from but I’ve never argued against using meta builds for efficience.

Also, it’s not me who gets uptight about builds. You and your kindred spirits are all “Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!” This is the toxicity/brick wall I refer to as the general attitude some fo the PvE’ers here have.

At least three times in this thread I’ve emphasized ‘Yes, I will inform people of the meta game and meta build, but if they choose otherwise I wish them no ill will’. You hear “Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!”. If you’d set aside your unhealthy disdain for a build (lol), you could communicate more effectively.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

And finally, since when is opinion misinformation? I believe happiness is in the realm of the specific opinion of a person and has a bit of trouble when it comes to “inarguably proven by mounds of evidence.”

That statement had nothing to do with misinformation. If you use the full quote you’ll get a better context. “However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game.” That statement is fact, it has nothing to do with opinion, there is overwhelming evidence at this point. That debate has long since sailed.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

If a certain build makes a player happy, then it’s their right and opinion to like it, whether it be the most effective build or ineffective build. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder m8. You can’t factualize that.

I didn’t factualize that. In fact I’ve practically said the same thing this entire time. You’re just so blinded since I recommended a meta build all you see is "Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!”.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

laharl.8435:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Obtena.7952:

laharl.8435:

Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.

Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .

You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.

It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …

I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.

If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?

I pointed out misinformation and you called me a brick wall and implied I am toxic. You get so uptight anyone mentions a meta build, they’re just builds, no one is forcing anyone to use them. However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game. As such, I will recommend them. At least people will be informed of the pve meta game. If they don’t want to use the builds, fine, I have no ill will as I’ve already stated.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Obtena.7952:

laharl.8435:

Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.

Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .

You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.

It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds. No matter how hard you two want to believe it, tanks are not helpful in dungeons in this game.

If someone wants to run a tank, I’m fine with it, but you’re kidding yourself when you say you’re keeping the team alive or carrying the team like so many believe. I’m simply pointing out that fact. If it’s fun for you, awesome, that’s why we all play the game. But there’s no reason to delude yourself and say your carrying everyone when you’re not.

And as much as you guys despise people telling the truth about gw2 pve game play, myself and others will always try make sure new/uninformed people are fully informed before jumping into Clerics/PVT/etc gear.

There are many people, like myself, who find it fun to be efficient and as useful to the team as possible. If running tanky made me the most useful to the team, that’s what I’d run. It’s happens that in this game, dps is more important. The people who are like myself, when armed with this information will choose a meta build. There are also people who are more idealistic, they have fun playing a certain style no matter what, and that’s fine too. I’m simply trying to inform people, then they can decide. Are they a person who has more fun being at peak usefulness regardless of build? Or are they a person who has more fun playing a specific style?

Holy kitten

SuckZoor.9052:

laharl.8435:

Balsa.3951:

What I always wonder why stealth is working in the Drege Fractal but blind not …

Dredge are immune to blind.

I think what he means is that if dredge are immune to blinds because they already are blind but they can attack us maybe because of hearing us then why dont they attack us when we are stealth too its not like they can lose more vision than already being blind.
Also i worded this pretty badly i think so i hope you understand what im trying to say.

I do understand, and thanks for clarifying. That makes sense.

Maybe the dredge sense where you are by sonar and stealth also masks you in the same way stealth planes are hidden. I’m pulling stuff out of my kitten now.

Corpse Flakes.5369:

Most people are saying Berserkers but that won’t cut it in WvW. I’d suggest knights or soldiers armor of the eagle with soldier earrings and berserker or Valkyrie rings/back/amulet. I have a meditation build I could link when I’m at my computer.

I run a soldier DPS build and can hit for 12k or so without might/stacks. I also have 6 heals, but I’m more gravitated towards WvW instead of dungeons.

He specified dungeons. Although zerker can be fun to roam in wvw.

Obtena.7952:

PhansyPanda.7215:

CYB.9012:

I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.

Dodging, blocks and blinds keep my squishy dps class alive while I see a cascade of numbers. You make it take longer for me to complete content.

Maybe, but his motivation to play isn’t to make you complete content faster, it’s for him to get his own satisfaction from playing on his own terms. It’s great when those two things align but they don’t have to.

Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information. He’s been mislead by people in this very forum. But he’s not alone, every tanky guardian thinks they carried the team and the only reason everyone is alive is because of them, not realizing they often made it harder for the other people to stay alive because the fight dragged on so long. They think they’re pro if they’re the last man standing, it’s sad.

If someone wants to play a tank, by all means play how you want. If I’m in a pug, I expect everyone to have a horrible build (luckily I usually only pug Arah for fun anymore). But don’t for a second think you carried everyone and made the instance easier, you didn’t.

If you’re just doing world events and farming, then your main goals are simply tagging and staying alive. Practically any build will work for that.

Ragaroah.3617:

I must say, switching to zerker armor / knight trinkets made me aware alot more of all the dangers around me, I like it alot!

You’ve got a good mindset for dungeoning. Keep it up and you’ll go far. Obal’s sticky is a wealth of information and he has the best dungeon runs in the game to back it up.

Balsa.3951:

What I always wonder why stealth is working in the Drege Fractal but blind not …

Dredge are immune to blind.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Can’t say enough good things about you Iaharl! You rock!

Yeah, the scheduling thing is the issue, as my gf will absolutely die if I don’t give her all my attention at a moment’s notice no matter what I’m doing, so I don’t want to waste anyone’s time by starting and then having to go 20 minutes later, which is why I haven’t contacted you in game for more tutoring. I figure that if I can schedule a time where she knows I don’t want to be interrupted, she can go out somewhere lol.

Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone that can help out!

Hey thats my problem too with my hubby xD

Anyway, laharl, you seem to be the star of the mentors. Keep shining

I guess boredom has its merits!

Same issue with the gf here. Sometimes I’ll tell her “10 minutes” when the dungeon should be done in 10 min. Then 20 minutes later I’m starting to get yelled at…

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Hello all! I’m hoping that I can get some help with Lupi. I want to be able to solo him, but I can’t seem to get past Belka and the abomination in p2, and I don’t know the (newish) skip in p3, p4 to skip right to him to practice.

Is there someone on here that’s patient enough help me with him? I’m running a meta warrior ascended/exotic and really want to learn more. I’d wanna schedule a time so I don’t interfere w/ someone else’s gaming time or personal life.

Also, a HUGE thanks to Iaharl for teaching me Arah in the first place. He’s a great guy and a great teacher!

Thanks in advance!

Hey Ivan, thanks for the kind words! I can duo that with you sometime, I think we started to before but you had to leave for something. Belka and Abomination are both actually pretty easy to solo. Belka because you can essentially get a breather for cd’s if needed at anytime during the fight, without the risk of Belka resetting. Abomination is just stacking up tranquilizer guns then fighting it away from the Asurans.

edit – Just saw the scheduling part. Sometimes scheduling can be a bit hard for me. So if someone else would like to schedule a time with you, that’d be cool. You can also feel free to whisper me when you see me on. I’m usually just looking for something to do.

Iris Ng.9845:

I got a 10k+ AP guard who joined at the Fire Shaman boss (fractal level 50), camped staff all the time and ran around like a headless chicken during the bubble phase. Needless to say, we kicked him upon a wipe. I was hopeful that the guard would aa the bubbled boss instead of the kitten lava elementals, but that is too much to ask?!

P.S. Later on, another 9k+AP guard joined and got killed by the agony instability had to re-roll into his warrior huehuehue….

Hey now! Low AR usually isn’t an issue, but I forgot about the agony instability… I’m finding warrior more fun there anyway.

I feel sorry for that poor guardian you griefed to put me in!

Maybe they would end up with something like warrior heal signet. You don’t even use that heal signet when you’re almost dead, if you do use it, you’re basically giving in to death.

Anet said they want people to have a reason to use signets. Having the active overshadow the passive gives that reason. Apparently there are many guards that like the passives considering how many guards you see that don’t use their virtues.

Maybe they are encouraging using them actively instead of passively. Actively they are quite powerful even with only a few traits invested. Personally, I wouldn’t want even more guards not using virtues for the party.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

CptAurellian.9537:

Viable for what? In case of PvE, it’s viable but not optimal.

Corrected.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/viable, linked because you and your kindred don’t seem to know the actually definition of viable.

I’ve duo’d arah with no traits. It’s viable, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Guess you should check out your link. Viable is a horribly general term to evaluate builds with.

Just go full knights (heck, even zealots lol) AH/EM. If you’re camping staff for tagging, you’ll be getting constant heals from crits and staff 4 will be an extra nuke heal. Plus the symbol is more tagging plus aoe swiftness. You’ll be pretty hard to kill in a zerg and be tagging like a boss.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Mmm it depends I think. Since fractals don’t give all that much AP, it’s a tough situation. If it’s an alt account I can see it. 70 AR …. I don’t even have that. Guess I’d be embarrassed if a person who just started playing had 70AR.

She’s referring to level 50 fractals.

Haha, good suggestion. You can be the PR rep for efficient dungeon running!

Barbarka.9362:

@ all the people saying it takes hours, it is 5min max more than ZERKERS!! MAxmius runs. If that sometimes much faster. Cause floors mops be super dps.. Leetzors!

More like 5 mins absolute minimum, and that’s for dungeons like cof p1 with very few enemies. For arah, if you’re killing everything and running non-optimal, yes you’re looking at hours.

I didn’t realize it was your wife and kids whom you were dungeoning with. That’s pretty awesome.

This guy made a guild. Join up!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Players-Against-Stacking-Skipping-Stuff/first

His post is a little hard to decipher, but I think he’s referring to exploiting, not simply running past mobs which we often refer to as “skipping”. I think at least 99% of us agree that actual exploits should be fixed.

morrolan.9608:

laharl.8435:

Aidenwolf.5964:

laharl.8435:

morrolan.9608:

laharl.8435:

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can remove QoL features from the game. You can add QoL features to the game behind a paywall.

But when you take what’s currently a free QoL feature and put it behind a paywall, that’s really bad. And judging from Anet’s response (i.e., none) this is a sign of things to come.

And looking at how Anet creeps these out slowly, here’s likely what’s next:

• Any new map will have a paywall on its WPs. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”) Then:
• All WPs will be paywalled. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”)

What did they take that was free and put behind a pay wall? Oh, nothing… lol

You’re not actually addressing the argument. As was said earlier in the thread almost every single poster criticising it is putting forth reasoned arguments as to why whereas those who don’t object to it offer nothing.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

NOTHING IS BEHIND A PAYWALL. Was that clear enough for you now? Nothing.

Sure something has been, and its been stated multiple times, convenience.

It’s a single loading screen, are you kidding…

The gem store is supposed to be about convenience. How is this concept so difficult to understand? Look at the other gem store items, all quality of life items, items of convenience. This is how non-p2w games runs a cash shop.

You’re missing the point. We already had convenience, they removed it and are now charging us to get it back.

You’re missing the point. It’s one single waypoint hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

A single way point can take up minutes of loading screen time, double that if you have to waypoint back. There can be no argument that convenience has been removed.

Oh, you mean waypoints loading into the old LA? Yeah, those were terrible, another reason I don’t miss that place.

Aidenwolf.5964:

laharl.8435:

Aidenwolf.5964:

laharl.8435:

morrolan.9608:

laharl.8435:

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can remove QoL features from the game. You can add QoL features to the game behind a paywall.

But when you take what’s currently a free QoL feature and put it behind a paywall, that’s really bad. And judging from Anet’s response (i.e., none) this is a sign of things to come.

And looking at how Anet creeps these out slowly, here’s likely what’s next:

• Any new map will have a paywall on its WPs. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”) Then:
• All WPs will be paywalled. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”)

What did they take that was free and put behind a pay wall? Oh, nothing… lol

You’re not actually addressing the argument. As was said earlier in the thread almost every single poster criticising it is putting forth reasoned arguments as to why whereas those who don’t object to it offer nothing.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

NOTHING IS BEHIND A PAYWALL. Was that clear enough for you now? Nothing.

Sure something has been, and its been stated multiple times, convenience.

It’s a single loading screen, are you kidding…

The gem store is supposed to be about convenience. How is this concept so difficult to understand? Look at the other gem store items, all quality of life items, items of convenience. This is how non-p2w games runs a cash shop.

You’re missing the point. We already had convenience, they removed it and are now charging us to get it back.

You’re missing the point. It’s one single waypoint hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

That they added in order to sell us a replacement for what they took.

No, the replacement(s) have already been there since launch….omg lol

Aidenwolf.5964:

laharl.8435:

morrolan.9608:

laharl.8435:

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can remove QoL features from the game. You can add QoL features to the game behind a paywall.

But when you take what’s currently a free QoL feature and put it behind a paywall, that’s really bad. And judging from Anet’s response (i.e., none) this is a sign of things to come.

And looking at how Anet creeps these out slowly, here’s likely what’s next:

• Any new map will have a paywall on its WPs. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”) Then:
• All WPs will be paywalled. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”)

What did they take that was free and put behind a pay wall? Oh, nothing… lol

You’re not actually addressing the argument. As was said earlier in the thread almost every single poster criticising it is putting forth reasoned arguments as to why whereas those who don’t object to it offer nothing.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

NOTHING IS BEHIND A PAYWALL. Was that clear enough for you now? Nothing.

Sure something has been, and its been stated multiple times, convenience.

It’s a single loading screen, are you kidding…

The gem store is supposed to be about convenience. How is this concept so difficult to understand? Look at the other gem store items, all quality of life items, items of convenience. This is how non-p2w games runs a cash shop.

You’re missing the point. We already had convenience, they removed it and are now charging us to get it back.

You’re missing the point. It’s one single waypoint hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Aidenwolf.5964:

They REMOVED the Central Services Hub from the game and are SELLING a central services hub for 1000 gems. These facts are not in dispute.

They relocated, minus crafting stations. Seriously, get a grip. The world is not ending, click a waypoint…ooh fixed!

morrolan.9608:

laharl.8435:

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can remove QoL features from the game. You can add QoL features to the game behind a paywall.

But when you take what’s currently a free QoL feature and put it behind a paywall, that’s really bad. And judging from Anet’s response (i.e., none) this is a sign of things to come.

And looking at how Anet creeps these out slowly, here’s likely what’s next:

• Any new map will have a paywall on its WPs. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”) Then:
• All WPs will be paywalled. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”)

What did they take that was free and put behind a pay wall? Oh, nothing… lol

You’re not actually addressing the argument. As was said earlier in the thread almost every single poster criticising it is putting forth reasoned arguments as to why whereas those who don’t object to it offer nothing.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

NOTHING IS BEHIND A PAYWALL. Was that clear enough for you now? Nothing.

Sure something has been, and its been stated multiple times, convenience.

It’s a single loading screen, are you kidding…

The gem store is supposed to be about convenience. How is this concept so difficult to understand? Look at the other gem store items, all quality of life items, items of convenience. This is how non-p2w games run a cash shop.

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can remove QoL features from the game. You can add QoL features to the game behind a paywall.

But when you take what’s currently a free QoL feature and put it behind a paywall, that’s really bad. And judging from Anet’s response (i.e., none) this is a sign of things to come.

And looking at how Anet creeps these out slowly, here’s likely what’s next:

• Any new map will have a paywall on its WPs. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”) Then:
• All WPs will be paywalled. (White knights: “hey, you can just walk so it’s ok, right? Plus, I walk everywhere anyway, who needs WPs?”)

What did they take that was free and put behind a pay wall? Oh, nothing… lol

digitalruse.9085:

mrstealth.6701:

digitalruse.9085:

Two sayings immediately spring to mind: “When you see hoof prints, look for horses, not zebras” and “Never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by carelessness or stupidity”

The most reasonable scenario, as far as I can see with the facts I have, is that acting on player demand that the LS have a greater impact, LA was destroyed. Knowing full well that people depend on LA to stand in front of the bank and show off… I mean have convenient access to services, ANet relocates many of those services to Vigil Keep. In the process, crafting locations are overlooked as bringing up Asura gates to cities, WvW, and Fractals likely took a higher priority.

I would find that to be a reasonable explanation, if they hadn’t remembered put all of those services into that airship. There are quite a few much less important NPCs/services that made it into that camp, as well.

The problem is we just don’t know. A lack of facts cannot be filled with baseless theories. People are angry and looking for a villian when there likely is none. You have to work with what you got. Maybe the Vigil Keep team and the Airship team were different? Maybe the airship was originally going to be instanced and not part of GF but moved later due to development crunches?

I am not an ANet apologist, believe me. As someone whose IRL job is related to IT and customer service, communication is paramount. So, if there is anything to hold them to account to it is a lack of that. Which is ironic considering the lengths they are willing to go through for the CDI process. But, all this other conspiracy nonsense is unhelpful.

Not to mention there are crafter in many other places around the world all at the click of a button. People are acting like they have to pay to get something that is currently unavailable. All this stuff already exists and is not difficult nor expensive, by any means, to get to.

mrstealth.6701:

laharl.8435:

Why go to a new place when you didn’t have to before? Uh, because there is a war. Would it really make sense to keep all crafting and vendors available in the middle of a war zone? C’mon people, there are actual issues with the game, stop trying to make issues up.

So, you’re saying it makes no sense to have them in an airship above the refugee area? Because those services are still there in that airship, you just have to pay to access them.

It would make sense if they were just simply gone. But that is not what happened.

The whole idea of that airship is a bit absurd. That should be a valuable part of the effort to retake LA, not a mobile village market full of merchants and craftsmen.

Where was he keeping that thing anyway? I don’t see a ship flying out of LA during a massive air assault being very believable.

Makes sense to me that vendors would relocate or that others would pop up to meet demand considering how logical that is and that’s what happens in real life.

Liston.9708:

We all know we can go elsewhere to craft, the point is – why should we have to now when we didn’t before? Some say la was the worst place to craft -well what if you socialized with everyone else whilst crafting? I can go to the racial cities, but a pile of npcs are not very entertaining…..

It is clearly an issue with many of us…… Btw, I buy all kinds of stuff with gems with real $$, so I don’t mind supporting the game, but this was a slime move so less gem sales to 1 person anyway….

It’s so slimy that everything is still free, still available and still easy to get to. This game has waypoints lol!

Why go to a new place when you didn’t have to before? Uh, because there is a war. Would it really make sense to keep all crafting and vendors available in the middle of a war zone? C’mon people, there are actual issues with the game, stop trying to make issues up.