Guild Wars 2

A lot of the US sell kicks come from one guy. He’s griefed dozens upon dozens of instances, and he’s still playing everyday. I find it unbelievable he hasn’t been banned yet.

Someone on EU servers posted about this happening to them over a month ago. I haven’t heard of it happening in US yet. Pretty low.

Obtena.7952:

Popular guides aren’t the problem; even if they are, it’s not a problem anyone can fix. This thread is just a bit of jovial. It’s certainly going to have no impact on directing people in a good direction. People that have potential to be good will figure it out pretty quickly what is effective and learn that the best approach isn’t someone telling them what is good. It’s learning for themselves what works.

IMO, if someone is looking at Youtube for advice, that’s already a bad start. There is nothing like practical application to give a player feedback.

Honestly, a guide similar to this held me back for ~6 months. Here I was thinking yeah tanking hits and soaking up damage is good, when little did I know, I was a detriment to every pug I entered. I figured this popular guide must know what’s going on. So I spent a bunch of gold and tanked hits like a ‘pro’, barely getting better.

Had it not been for some crap guide, I would have been richer and better at the game much earlier. I wouldn’t wish the same fate on any new player that doesn’t know better. They may end up like most of the people around here, permanently deluded into thinking simply staying alive is good.

I sell Arah paths and do Arah pugs. There are plenty of pugs on the lfg, they just fill quickly.

Why is selling paths so bothersome when it doesn’t affect you at all? Do you hate people that play the trading post? That actually does affect you at least.

It’s still active, but it’s more or less a list of players interested in running arah. You’ll have to be proactive in finding a group. Members are ranked by their experience. I add people in whenever I see they’ve posted in this thread. If you need your rank changed, pm a leader. If you want lupi spec ops rank you need to play with a leader.

If you want barrage, don’t fight him on the wall. Well, basically don’t stand inside his circle. Stand toes to circle. This will keep you out of bubble range, but in barrage range. Moving is fine, moving doesn’t get you bubbled, you just need to strafe around his circle (useful for playing with pugs that bait the bubble, so you don’t bait the bubble but can stay away from the pug). Always use a gap closer after life drink so you’re not in bubble range. Usually when solo, if he does life drink then single target life drain, he will often follow it with barrage.

Selling for 5g solo? They’re probably swim exploiting.

Yes, using fillers is the only way.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Then you didn’t actually read, oh well.

You project so much that you are incapable of making a objective response to someone. Look at what you quoted and what you got out of it. What you really are doing is writing about what you seen in my quote. Which has nothing to do with me. If you were wise, you would of asked what I meant.

I answered your question, you just didn’t read what I actually said.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

Right, so you responded to me because I wasn’t agreeing that AH is bad. You confirm what I was saying. Like I said, if I so happened to be on the “AH is bad, bad players use it” bandwagon. Then you wouldn’t had singled me out. Because yeah its ok to be hostile as long as they are in agreement with you. How messed up is that?

You are a hypocrite and its not even name calling. Because if you were so concerned about how advice was given to new players as you initially said, then you would of also applied that logic to the posters who were in agreement with you but were hostile to AH users.

I asked you to find where I disagreed with such a statement “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.” Are you going to show me where I disagreed?

I don’t know why you’re going on about this hypocrite thing. I singled you out because you were giving bad advice that wasn’t helpful to a new player or the community. You’re acting like a jumped you for being rude or something, I never mentioned you acting hostile until you called me a hypocrite.

As far as disagreeing with “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.”, you didn’t, you outright said build doesn’t matter in pve. I drew the valid comparison between pve and pvp. It’s simple, if you don’t realize how a build affects pve, then why would anyone expect to realize how a build affects pvp? You’re build affects how you interact in the game world, it affects every combat situation you’re in, be it pve or pvp. This is very basic.

laharl.8435:

After colesy’s post explaining multiple reasons why a tailored dungeon build is better for dungeoning, you said “It doesn’t matter, it’s pve”. You imply that any random traits thrown together will provide the same outcome simply because it’s pve. Sorry, but that build and others like it will make for easier, faster dungeon run. Not all builds are created equal.

laharl.8435:

Simple logical deduction here. Pvp and pve are quite similar, a build tailored for a job will give the player an edge, a higher success rate or an easier run. You don’t believe that a tailored build matters in pve for a given task, when it’s obvious it does, just like pvp. If it’s so hard for you to realize this in pve, it’s equally as hard in pvp. In pvp, I run tailored builds that will excel in the task I want to achieve, just like pve. This is a very simple connection and one maybe some day you’ll realize.

Aza.2105:

Also, I never said different builds didn’t help you perform better in pve.

Aza.2105:

It doesn’t matter, it’s pve.

Performing better = does matter.

I’m still waiting man.

lol, try reading it.

I did and the only thing I see you doing is continuing to have a nice conversation with yourself.

Then you didn’t actually read, oh well.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

Right, so you responded to me because I wasn’t agreeing that AH is bad. You confirm what I was saying. Like I said, if I so happened to be on the “AH is bad, bad players use it” bandwagon. Then you wouldn’t had singled me out. Because yeah its ok to be hostile as long as they are in agreement with you. How messed up is that?

You are a hypocrite and its not even name calling. Because if you were so concerned about how advice was given to new players as you initially said, then you would of also applied that logic to the posters who were in agreement with you but were hostile to AH users.

I asked you to find where I disagreed with such a statement “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.” Are you going to show me where I disagreed?

I don’t know why you’re going on about this hypocrite thing. I singled you out because you were giving bad advice that wasn’t helpful to a new player or the community. You’re acting like a jumped you for being rude or something, I never mentioned you acting hostile until you called me a hypocrite.

As far as disagreeing with “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.”, you didn’t, you outright said build doesn’t matter in pve. I drew the valid comparison between pve and pvp. It’s simple, if you don’t realize how a build affects pve, then why would anyone expect to realize how a build affects pvp? You’re build affects how you interact in the game world, it affects every combat situation you’re in, be it pve or pvp. This is very basic.

laharl.8435:

After colesy’s post explaining multiple reasons why a tailored dungeon build is better for dungeoning, you said “It doesn’t matter, it’s pve”. You imply that any random traits thrown together will provide the same outcome simply because it’s pve. Sorry, but that build and others like it will make for easier, faster dungeon run. Not all builds are created equal.

laharl.8435:

Simple logical deduction here. Pvp and pve are quite similar, a build tailored for a job will give the player an edge, a higher success rate or an easier run. You don’t believe that a tailored build matters in pve for a given task, when it’s obvious it does, just like pvp. If it’s so hard for you to realize this in pve, it’s equally as hard in pvp. In pvp, I run tailored builds that will excel in the task I want to achieve, just like pve. This is a very simple connection and one maybe some day you’ll realize.

Aza.2105:

Also, I never said different builds didn’t help you perform better in pve.

Aza.2105:

It doesn’t matter, it’s pve.

Performing better = does matter.

I’m still waiting man.

lol, try reading it.

Aza.2105:

Right, so you responded to me because I wasn’t agreeing that AH is bad. You confirm what I was saying. Like I said, if I so happened to be on the “AH is bad, bad players use it” bandwagon. Then you wouldn’t had singled me out. Because yeah its ok to be hostile as long as they are in agreement with you. How messed up is that?

You are a hypocrite and its not even name calling. Because if you were so concerned about how advice was given to new players as you initially said, then you would of also applied that logic to the posters who were in agreement with you but were hostile to AH users.

I asked you to find where I disagreed with such a statement “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.” Are you going to show me where I disagreed?

I don’t know why you’re going on about this hypocrite thing. I singled you out because you were giving bad advice that wasn’t helpful to a new player or the community. You’re acting like a jumped you for being rude or something, I never mentioned you acting hostile until you called me a hypocrite.

As far as disagreeing with “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.”, you didn’t, you outright said build doesn’t matter in pve. I drew the valid comparison between pve and pvp. It’s simple, if you don’t realize how a build affects pve, then why would anyone expect to realize how a build affects pvp? You’re build affects how you interact in the game world, it affects every combat situation you’re in, be it pve or pvp. This is very basic.

laharl.8435:

After colesy’s post explaining multiple reasons why a tailored dungeon build is better for dungeoning, you said “It doesn’t matter, it’s pve”. You imply that any random traits thrown together will provide the same outcome simply because it’s pve. Sorry, but that build and others like it will make for easier, faster dungeon run. Not all builds are created equal.

laharl.8435:

Simple logical deduction here. Pvp and pve are quite similar, a build tailored for a job will give the player an edge, a higher success rate or an easier run. You don’t believe that a tailored build matters in pve for a given task, when it’s obvious it does, just like pvp. If it’s so hard for you to realize this in pve, it’s equally as hard in pvp. In pvp, I run tailored builds that will excel in the task I want to achieve, just like pve. This is a very simple connection and one maybe some day you’ll realize.

Aza.2105:

Also, I never said different builds didn’t help you perform better in pve.

Aza.2105:

It doesn’t matter, it’s pve.

Performing better = does matter.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

The op is asking for help, simple as that. I was simply trying to provide that for him. I have experience with the build he proposed. He was also asking about support, so I recommended a build I know to have better support than the AHEM build. I was staying on topic by trying to help him. You think telling him it’s pve, it doesn’t matter is good advice and staying on topic, I don’t.

The comparisons I made between pve and pvp are completely valid. A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes. There is really no refuting this, much as you may try. The fact that you don’t yet realize this means you should really stop trying to give advice to new people when you’ve so much yet to learn yourself. This is a simple idea that applies to almost all games, pve and pvp alike.

You are a hypocrite, you aren’t concerned about giving good advice to a new player, if you were you would of bothered quoting those who were acting like kitten when AH build was mentioned. You didn’t bother because it suits your agenda and you are in agreement with them.

Also, I never said different builds didn’t help you perform better in pve. You actually said that for me and continue to say it for me. Find me the post in this thread where I disagree with “A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes.”. Find it.

No need to start in with name calling. Sure, some people are more hostile than they need to be. I’m not the forum police, I took issue with you because of how far off base you are.

After colesy’s post explaining multiple reasons why a tailored dungeon build is better for dungeoning, you said “It doesn’t matter, it’s pve”. You imply that any random traits thrown together will provide the same outcome simply because it’s pve. Sorry, but that build and others like it will make for easier, faster dungeon run. Not all builds are created equal.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

“That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.”

That was in response to you saying “It’s pve, it doesn’t matter”. It’s elementary to most that build does matter in pve in relation to speed, efficiency, ease and in some cases, success of a dungeon run. If you believe build doesn’t matter at all, why do you keep commenting here?

“You haven’t even followed the conversation at all.”

That was in reference to your comment saying it’s only about getting from point a to point b. This entire time we’ve been talking about what is more viable in doing so, not just getting there. This seems to have flown over your head.

“If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. "

Simple logical deduction here. Pvp and pve are quite similar, a build tailored for a job will give the player an edge, a higher success rate or an easier run. You don’t believe that a tailored build matters in pve for a given task, when it’s obvious it does, just like pvp. If it’s so hard for you to realize this in pve, it’s equally as hard in pvp. In pvp, I run tailored builds that will excel in the task I want to achieve, just like pve. This is a very simple connection and one maybe some day you’ll realize.

Anyway, you’ve taken this way off course. We’re were discussing support builds for pve, lets just stay on track.

I haven’t followed the conversation? You would do well to apply that to yourself and others here advocating builds. None of which have anything to do with the OP’s question. The OP asked if his build was viable, unless you are capable of changing the definition of viable then it means can he be successful with it. The answer is yes, he/she could.

Furthermore, if you want to talk about contributing you would be better off trying to attack people who saying things like “ah sucks learn to dodge roll”. Because that kind of behavior isn’t helping “new players” either. The question is why didn’t you? Probably because you are in agreement with what they are saying. So for you, its ok for others to say things that aren’t particularly helpful as long as you are in agreement with them. I’m sure if I made a post like “AH sucks” then you wouldn’t of bothered to try to project upon me.

What I said about pve, bothered you because it undermines importance of your agenda. If pve isn’t difficult then by proxy it negates any importance a “meta build” may have.

Also about comparing pve to pvp….just don’t. In most cases you always win in pve no matter how slow it is or what build you are running. In pvp ones build will simply determine if they win or lose. That is not the same.

In regards to going off topic, this thread went off topic as soon as it became about AH sucks, so run this build. So in that regard, you best take it up with the people who deviated the thread at the beginning.

The op is asking for help, simple as that. I was simply trying to provide that for him. I have experience with the build he proposed. He was also asking about support, so I recommended a build I know to have better support than the AHEM build. I was staying on topic by trying to help him. You think telling him it’s pve, it doesn’t matter is good advice and staying on topic, I don’t.

The comparisons I made between pve and pvp are completely valid. A tailored build will make you better at your job in both game modes. There is really no refuting this, much as you may try. The fact that you don’t yet realize this means you should really stop trying to give advice to new people when you’ve so much yet to learn yourself. This is a simple idea that applies to almost all games, pve and pvp alike.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

That’s the worst possible advice you could give to a new player, and not helpful to the community at all. That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.

You are entitled to have your own opinion of me, it doesn’t matter. The reality of the situation is that pve is so simplistic that ultimately it doesn’t require any optimized build to get from point a to point b.

You haven’t even followed the conversation at all. Again, we’re talking about efficiency, please try to keep up. We’re talking about the ease it takes to get from point a to point b. If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. Sure, with great skill some people can have success in pvp. But they would do even better to arm themselves with a good build. If you don’t recognize this, you will never excel in any aspect of the game, pvp or pve.

If you want to proceed with telling me what I’m doing and not doing, then continue.

I didn’t tell you anything you’re doing, just going by what you’re saying. Once you get to the point where you realize some builds excel more than others at certain tasks, like getting from point a to point b, you’ll see your pve and pvp game improve.

No, its exactly what you are doing. You were magically able to know me when I said “Its doesn’t matter, its pve”.

From there you ignorantly tried to tell ME, what I do not know, what I do not do. How crazy is that? Since you have a short term memory, let me highlight what you said:

“That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.”

“You haven’t even followed the conversation at all.”

“If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. "

You should ask yourself where in the world did you come up with half the stuff you said to me.

“That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.”

That was in response to you saying “It’s pve, it doesn’t matter”. It’s elementary to most that build does matter in pve in relation to speed, efficiency, ease and in some cases, success of a dungeon run. If you believe build doesn’t matter at all, why do you keep commenting here?

“You haven’t even followed the conversation at all.”

That was in reference to your comment saying it’s only about getting from point a to point b. This entire time we’ve been talking about what is more viable in doing so, not just getting there. This seems to have flown over your head.

“If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. "

Simple logical deduction here. Pvp and pve are quite similar, a build tailored for a job will give the player an edge, a higher success rate or an easier run. You don’t believe that a tailored build matters in pve for a given task, when it’s obvious it does, just like pvp. If it’s so hard for you to realize this in pve, it’s equally as hard in pvp. In pvp, I run tailored builds that will excel in the task I want to achieve, just like pve. This is a very simple connection and one that will help your game once you realize it.

Anyway, you’ve taken this way off course (yes, I’m guilty of following). We’re were discussing support builds for pve, lets just stay on track.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

That’s the worst possible advice you could give to a new player, and not helpful to the community at all. That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.

You are entitled to have your own opinion of me, it doesn’t matter. The reality of the situation is that pve is so simplistic that ultimately it doesn’t require any optimized build to get from point a to point b.

You haven’t even followed the conversation at all. Again, we’re talking about efficiency, please try to keep up. We’re talking about the ease it takes to get from point a to point b. If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. Sure, with great skill some people can have success in pvp. But they would do even better to arm themselves with a good build. If you don’t recognize this, you will never excel in any aspect of the game, pvp or pve.

If you want to proceed with telling me what I’m doing and not doing, then continue.

I didn’t tell you anything you’re doing, just going by what you’re saying. Once you get to the point where you realize some builds excel more than others at certain tasks, like getting from point a to point b, you’ll see your pve and pvp game improve.

Aza.2105:

laharl.8435:

That’s the worst possible advice you could give to a new player, and not helpful to the community at all. That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.

You are entitled to have your own opinion of me, it doesn’t matter. The reality of the situation is that pve is so simplistic that ultimately it doesn’t require any optimized build to get from point a to point b.

You haven’t even followed the conversation at all. Again, we’re talking about efficiency. We’re talking about the ease it takes to get from point a to point b. If you don’t realize certain builds do it better, than you are no good in pvp either. Sure, with great skill some people can have success in pvp. But they would do even better to arm themselves with a good build. If you don’t recognize this, you will never excel in any aspect of the game, pvp or pve.

When you recognize that a good build will help you achieve success easier, you’ll be a better player, and you’ll see more success in pvp.

Aza.2105:

colesy.8490:

Oh yeah, playing ‘properly’ and ‘correctly’ … You would almost think that if this was a real thing, it would come from Anet, not players.

Fun is part of the argument because what you value isn’t the same thing as what other people do.

By “properly” I mean effective use of traits and utilities. And by efficient I mean aiding as best you can to complete content with the resources available (these resources being your traits, utilities, gear and the player’s willingness to make strong use of their abilities).

And that is exactly my point. “I find fun in efficieny so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in”.
You’re thinking about only yourself. Not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Why should everyone else be pidgeon holed into playing what’s most effective because you think it’s the correct way to play?

What I’m trying to say is that I enjoy efficiency. When I think of fun, I think efficiency, therefore I play for enjoyment. Suboptimal builds and amateur mistakes irritate me, it doesn’t matter who it’s from, a player I’m partying with or myself. The difference is, most players don’t care about improving while I will go out of my way and bust my balls to learn an encounter if I perform poorly on it (repeated wipes on Alphard being the most recent example, eventually figured out that reflections have to be centred directly on her and that stacking right on top is basically suicide since you can’t see scorpion wire in case it goes through reflections).

Funny thing is, all you PvE Elitest `presume` everyone is running in guild groups or w/ very experience dungeon runners. =]

I don’t. It’s only recently that I started running in more and more premades because pugging just makes me legitimately angry, there’s a couple people in the dungeon forum who I’ve vented to in-game because of how frustrating it can be having to see players who camp on low-DPS weapons, use blatantly low DPS gear or poor traits (the moment I see strength in numbers on my screen I just roll my eyes).

For the average pugger, it most likely IS better to be more focused over healing due to the FACT your teammates ~won’t~ know the subtleties of what you’re provided (IE Aegis, Blocks, etc).

This is why you advertise “experienced only”. Yeah, most “experienced” players are actually bad, but every now and then I come across gems where we flawlessly hit 25 stacks of might from fire fields and blasts pre fight, melt a boss down and everyone is clearly using the right weapons and strong weapon rotations and not just smashing 1 through to 5 because they want to be pressing more stuff.

The best part to me is that its all because of dungeons! LOL! Gotta run da meta for arah p4, because Simin is scary. The big spider from ac is also scary and its really really hard to beat if you use anything other than the meta build.

You can kill Simin with five bearbows and the only reason people constantly bring up Spider Queen is because they can’t do content any harder than AC, note how Arah is never mentioned when it comes to “stacking is exploiting!” threads because most players aren’t good enough to even do anything besides faceroll AC, COE and COF.

OP wants to know if that combo is viable … AH+EM is a good combo if you want to run AH. In fact, What other combo with AH would be better than this? THAT’S what the discussion should be here.

It’s not a good combo because it’s overriding long term might stacks and the very nature of AH is just bad because small heals aren’t going to do much to your survivability. All it means is that you give up on useful traits like reduced cooldowns on consecrations, clearing three condis on activation of virtue, blinds, vuln stacking on blind and damage modifiers.

Take 10/30/30/0/0 as an example, you lose X%+ from virtues 25, -20% cooldowns from virtues 10 and group condi cleanse from virtues 20 (or 20%+ damage modifier from unscathed). You also lose honour 5 which means you won’t have perma-vigour which makes you a hell of a lot more survivable than AH. Yes, you will hit I believe two damage modifiers and vuln stacking, but you’re giving up two extra modifiers and group support for AH.

I’m making an effort to be civil here and once again I’m getting it thrown in my face.

Its doesn’t matter, its pve.

That’s the worst possible advice you could give to a new player, and not helpful to the community at all. That comment only cements that you don’t know the game mechanics very well and shouldn’t be commenting here.

Obtena.7952:

laharl.8435:

The core reason AH is inferior in pve is because you’re sacrificing too much team support and dps in favor of heals for yourself. Dps and damage mitigation are the 2 most important aspects of fast, smooth dungeon runs, the meta supplies this far better than the AH build.

Here is the problem. The thread isn’t actually about how superior something else is over AH … it’s just that certain people turn these threads INTO that discussion because they have an agenda to push.

OP wants to know if that combo is viable … AH+EM is a good combo if you want to run AH. In fact, What other combo with AH would be better than this? THAT’S what the discussion should be here.

The op’s first post is “is it a viable support build for Pve? or something like 0/15/30/20/5?”. He didn’t say he needs AH and wants to know what goes well with it. He’s looking for a viable support build.

If I were to ask this question I wouldn’t want someone to say " Yeah, it’s viable, anything is viable in pve". I would want some input, some insight into what is more viable. So we told him of builds with far better support than AHEM. If he decides he would rather go with AHEM, that’s fine, to each their own. I still feel it’s my duty to let new guardians know that there is far better support, then they can make the choice.

I understand you seem to take great issue with people advocating meta builds. I advocate these builds out of experience, particularly to this thread as I ran AHEM for nearly 6 months. The meta builds, especially the one linked by obal, will the give the op far more team support than AHEM.

There also isn’t a conspiracy with an " agenda to push". The only agenda is to help newer players. If they don’t choose the build I recommend, no biggie, I wish no ill will and I hope they excel. It’s not everyone’s style.

Brutaly.6257:

I wont get into this discussion whats bad or whats good, its gettgin old, but just to make one thing clear.

Shouts are minor when it comes to AH, in fact i often run wvw builds with not a single shout in them and still use AH because if you play in a coordinated team, AH is just absurdly strong. A single shout heals for about 700. One single hammer chain and MB can can distribute 40 applications of boons, sometimes even 45 boons, to the team. No need to ever use shouts just because you run AH.

So stating AH is bad based on people using shouts is wrong, it might be so that the individual is bad when they havent udnerstood how little shouts contribute to AH. Just pick the proper weapon.

I don’t believe anyone has stated AH is bad solely on the use of shouts. We’re also discussing the validity of the build in pve, not wvw, much different. The core reason AH is inferior in pve is because you’re sacrificing too much team support and dps in favor of heals for yourself. Dps and damage mitigation are the 2 most important aspects of fast, smooth dungeon runs, the meta supplies this far better than the AH build.

Aza.2105:

Amins.3710:

laharl.8435:

Zach.3264:

colesy.8490:

Zach.3264:

Painbow.6059:

Zach.3264:

Stop with the “AH is for new people” already..
It’s in the grandmaster line. No where does it state “this is for new players only”.
It’s a trait, it’s there to be used by anyone who wants to.

It’s like saying only new players use Selfless Daring because they don’t have any friends to heal them.

I really do think half of you forget that there are a large portion who play MMO’s for enjoyment, and not to fuel their ego about being “best” or “better” than others. If someone wants to play AH then let them, there’s nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Because while your team is suffering to get out enough damage to kill stuff fast enough you are sitting happy with your useless skill less build not giving a fudge about anything. Being a guardian is about being a ‘selfless defender’ not a self-healing-waste-of-potential. If you want to play AH in pve go ahead but just know that it’s like a wet fish flopping on the side of a boat

Not at all. I run AH in Fractals all the time and it’s great. My damage is still decent and I can survive easily enough to continue to do damage/heal others.
Plus, I run Hammer, when traited I can have my auto-attack symbol down 100% of the time if I don’t use #2. This applies constant -33% damage to my group.
And again.. you’re forgetting, not everyone plays to be as effective as possible, some people actually play for enjoyment, you know?

do you slot in utilities dependent on situation or shouts for AH procs? You don’t need AH if you’re playing properly since you will be mitigating damage at the entire party well enough to not need to heal, well, yourself. Also, I find fun in efficiency so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in. Meta is fun.

And that is exactly my point. “I find fun in efficieny so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in”.
You’re thinking about only yourself. Not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Why should everyone else be pidgeon holed into playing what’s most effective because you think it’s the correct way to play?

If you’re meant to play a certain way, then wouldn’t Anet purposely make everyone play said way, and not give them the option to play differently?

Odd you would say he’s only thinking about himself when he’s advocating a build with more team support and you’re advocating a build that specializes in keeping only you alive.

We get that not everyone wants to run a meta, and that’s fine. But when a person is asking for advice we will still give it to them. Yes, we are often operating under the assumption that everyone wants fast, smooth runs. As Obtena and various people have pointed out, not everyone finds that fun. Ok, that’s fine, then you could just say if you want faster, easier runs choose the the meta build(s). It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this is the best build for fast, easy runs. But if you aren’t interested in faster, smoother runs there are plenty of options including the AH build that excels in keeping you alive in trade of dps and team support.

Funny thing is, all you PvE Elitest `presume` everyone is running in guild groups or w/ very experience dungeon runners. =]

For the average pugger, it most likely IS better to be more focused over healing due to the FACT your teammates ~won’t~ know the subtleties of what you’re provided (IE Aegis, Blocks, etc).

All your all blanket statements do nothing to help people.

The best part to me is that its all because of dungeons! LOL! Gotta run da meta for arah p4, because Simin is scary. The big spider from ac is also scary and its really really hard to beat if you use anything other than the meta build.

As I said before, it’s about efficiency and making the run go smoother. Of course, pretty much any group composition can successfully complete any instance (Simin would give some tanky groups a run for their money though). I’m just advocating the meta over AH, because as I said, I ran AHEM for 6 months. The meta is superior in team support, dps and damage mitigation. AH is superior in keeping yourself alive. So choose what you like, that won’t stop me from giving advice to people who ask.

Amins.3710:

laharl.8435:

Zach.3264:

colesy.8490:

Zach.3264:

Painbow.6059:

Zach.3264:

Stop with the “AH is for new people” already..
It’s in the grandmaster line. No where does it state “this is for new players only”.
It’s a trait, it’s there to be used by anyone who wants to.

It’s like saying only new players use Selfless Daring because they don’t have any friends to heal them.

I really do think half of you forget that there are a large portion who play MMO’s for enjoyment, and not to fuel their ego about being “best” or “better” than others. If someone wants to play AH then let them, there’s nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Because while your team is suffering to get out enough damage to kill stuff fast enough you are sitting happy with your useless skill less build not giving a fudge about anything. Being a guardian is about being a ‘selfless defender’ not a self-healing-waste-of-potential. If you want to play AH in pve go ahead but just know that it’s like a wet fish flopping on the side of a boat

Not at all. I run AH in Fractals all the time and it’s great. My damage is still decent and I can survive easily enough to continue to do damage/heal others.
Plus, I run Hammer, when traited I can have my auto-attack symbol down 100% of the time if I don’t use #2. This applies constant -33% damage to my group.
And again.. you’re forgetting, not everyone plays to be as effective as possible, some people actually play for enjoyment, you know?

do you slot in utilities dependent on situation or shouts for AH procs? You don’t need AH if you’re playing properly since you will be mitigating damage at the entire party well enough to not need to heal, well, yourself. Also, I find fun in efficiency so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in. Meta is fun.

And that is exactly my point. “I find fun in efficieny so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in”.
You’re thinking about only yourself. Not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Why should everyone else be pidgeon holed into playing what’s most effective because you think it’s the correct way to play?

If you’re meant to play a certain way, then wouldn’t Anet purposely make everyone play said way, and not give them the option to play differently?

Odd you would say he’s only thinking about himself when he’s advocating a build with more team support and you’re advocating a build that specializes in keeping only you alive.

We get that not everyone wants to run a meta, and that’s fine. But when a person is asking for advice we will still give it to them. Yes, we are often operating under the assumption that everyone wants fast, smooth runs. As Obtena and various people have pointed out, not everyone finds that fun. Ok, that’s fine, then you could just say if you want faster, easier runs choose the the meta build(s). It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this is the best build for fast, easy runs. But if you aren’t interested in faster, smoother runs there are plenty of options including the AH build that excels in keeping you alive in trade of dps and team support.

Funny thing is, all you PvE Elitest `presume` everyone is running in guild groups or w/ very experience dungeon runners. =]

For the average pugger, it most likely IS better to be more focused over healing due to the FACT your teammates ~won’t~ know the subtleties of what you’re provided (IE Aegis, Blocks, etc).

All your all blanket statements do nothing to help people.

I run pugs fairly often still, I often log on too late to get in on guild tours. I pug arah p4 almost every night, sometimes with 4 brand new arah players. This build works in pugs as well, because it’s a very team focused build.

I’ll definitely agree that most pugs won’t notice the subtleties of what a good guardian is providing. They will often only notice if you’re dying a lot. I’m fine with that, I understand not everyone has total situational awareness, myself included. That’s why we usually recommend wearing knights gear until you are experienced enough to run full zerk.

Zach.3264:

colesy.8490:

Zach.3264:

Painbow.6059:

Zach.3264:

Stop with the “AH is for new people” already..
It’s in the grandmaster line. No where does it state “this is for new players only”.
It’s a trait, it’s there to be used by anyone who wants to.

It’s like saying only new players use Selfless Daring because they don’t have any friends to heal them.

I really do think half of you forget that there are a large portion who play MMO’s for enjoyment, and not to fuel their ego about being “best” or “better” than others. If someone wants to play AH then let them, there’s nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Because while your team is suffering to get out enough damage to kill stuff fast enough you are sitting happy with your useless skill less build not giving a fudge about anything. Being a guardian is about being a ‘selfless defender’ not a self-healing-waste-of-potential. If you want to play AH in pve go ahead but just know that it’s like a wet fish flopping on the side of a boat

Not at all. I run AH in Fractals all the time and it’s great. My damage is still decent and I can survive easily enough to continue to do damage/heal others.
Plus, I run Hammer, when traited I can have my auto-attack symbol down 100% of the time if I don’t use #2. This applies constant -33% damage to my group.
And again.. you’re forgetting, not everyone plays to be as effective as possible, some people actually play for enjoyment, you know?

do you slot in utilities dependent on situation or shouts for AH procs? You don’t need AH if you’re playing properly since you will be mitigating damage at the entire party well enough to not need to heal, well, yourself. Also, I find fun in efficiency so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in. Meta is fun.

And that is exactly my point. “I find fun in efficieny so I don’t see why you bring the fun argument in”.
You’re thinking about only yourself. Not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Why should everyone else be pidgeon holed into playing what’s most effective because you think it’s the correct way to play?

If you’re meant to play a certain way, then wouldn’t Anet purposely make everyone play said way, and not give them the option to play differently?

Odd you would say he’s only thinking about himself when he’s advocating a build with more team support and you’re advocating a build that specializes in keeping only you alive.

We get that not everyone wants to run a meta, and that’s fine. But when a person is asking for advice we will still give it to them. Yes, we are often operating under the assumption that everyone wants fast, smooth runs. As Obtena and various people have pointed out, not everyone finds that fun. Ok, that’s fine, then you could just say if you want faster, easier runs choose the the meta build(s). It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this is the best build for fast, easy runs. But if you aren’t interested in faster, smoother runs there are plenty of options including the AH build that excels in keeping you alive in trade of dps and team support.

Yeah, chat disappearing is a pretty stupid feature. I’ve never been kicked, but if I were, I’d be furious because I never screenshot or remember names. Plus you never know who kicked you anyway.

Zerk is even better for higher level fractals usually.

If I remember correctly, 30AR was fine for 30 fractals. I did them with less AR when I first went through the 30’s, but that was also before instabilities.

rhodoc.2381:

So one of the hardest bosses of the game is soloable, nice….

Once you know him he’s not hard at all. He’s the most dynamic boss in the game. The shining example where skill and knowing the encounter will raise you much higher than those less skilled. There are plenty of harder bosses. Take Ginva in hotw p1 for example. He’s harder in my opinion, but he’s not dynamic, just an hp sponge that hits hard. A truly skilled group doesn’t raise as far above the rest in the Ginva encounter, because it requires little finesse.

TKiller.6829:

NoTrigger.8396:

go and ask people who have done lupi solo with multiple professions. im pretty sure they will tell you warrior was the easiest. + warrior probably has the most room for error.

I would say that guardian felt easier than warrior for me.

But warrior has a larger room for error than other professions, that’s true.

I personally find guardian easier as well. I’ve yet to complete a full warrior solo. Guardian has fallback skills in case of mess ups (which I tend to do…) in the form of focus 5 and renewed focus. Plus keeping aegis on is nice. I find on warrior I need to play much cleaner, but I also didn’t put him on the wall. Maybe I’ll do that eventually if I can’t kill him on the floor.

Nozcrow.2534:

Fadeaway care to share your build with the class

Guardian dps meta build.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

I used the AH/EM build for almost 6 months, I rarely died, I thought it was great. The two traits do have good synergy. But the build is very selfish and subpar in general. I realized this as I learned combat better. Sure this build can take a lot of hits. But a proactive dps guardian can support the team far better and do far better damage. Sure, I guess AH/EM could be a decent solo build, but for dungeoning it’s bad.

AH is a selfish trait, it heals only you and it takes 30 points to get it. EM and Empower from staff sound good until you realize what short duration they are. You don’t have to waste a single trait for comboing might stacks with more that twice the duration. If you’re in a team that is good at comboing for might, then EM and Empower can be a dps loss.

Aza.2105:

Coltain.1395:

Is it good for soloing PVE? Yes it is, especially if you’re newer to the game and want a “safer” choice. That said, there are better options out there (build and gear) that open up more game styles – team support, tanky DPS, DPS, etc.
IMHO it’s a bad habit to rely on AH(+EM) for survivability when you can use dodging, blinds, retaliation, gear choice and active gameplay while freeing you from a very limited build.

I’m not sure why players gauge their performance with trash mobs. The only time blind is useful is for trash.

In many dungeons, including arah, trash mobs are some of the greatest threats. Also, dealing more damage and mitigating damage will also be superior to dealing less damage, but taking more hits. This counts for bosses as well as trash mobs.

The quicker an encounter is over, the less possible mistakes and the less you have to worry about mitigation skills being on cool down. Also, the faster you kill things the faster you make money, in open world and especially in dungeons.

lordkrall.7241:

Alex.9106:

Hey i killed a boss.
Hey i killed the same boss again.
Hey i have to continue like this only 50 times to get 1 armor for 1 character.
Isnt that funny.
I love it.

Or you could, you know, kill more than just a single one?

There are atm 22 different mobs/events that drops Dragonite ore.
Not counting Guild Missions.
If you count Guild Missions there is 26 different events.

Yeah, it’d be nice if the majority of those didn’t give you less than 10 dragonite and guild missions being a once a week thing. Hardly anyone does Tequatl. Shatterer and Jormag are essentially a stationary structure, fun fun. That leaves the temple bosses, Balthazar being a rarity. At least the temples aren’t that bad, but I’d still rather not be forced to do them to progress in fractals.

Indeed.

rozcinana.7249:

Silberfisch.3046:

rozcinana.7249:

i really don’t think this is worth complaining about. dragonite ore is easy, doesn’t take long to get if you use the right timer site and save your daily guests for this purpose.

It’s not about the difficulty, It’s the limited content providing dragonite ore.
Personally, I have no problem doing the open world meta events to get it (the fastest way imho).
But I understand the hardcore dungeon crowd who really dislike that part of the game.
Same goes for WvW-players. In WvW you can obtain dragonite ore, but the amount you get is ridiculously small given you need 500 for a single weapon or chest piece of armor for example.
It’s about playing the part of the game you like, not about difficulty.

One of the places where ascended gear really is necessary unlees you want to blow a shipload of gold is fractals. there’s absolutely no way to earn dragonite ore via fractals.

And yes, I’m aware that the opposite is also true. Empyreal fragments are hard to collect for people who dislike dungeons and fractals. Technically it’s the same problem there.

I prefer to spend my time in dungeons or fractals but I make time here and there to run a few world events to get my dragonite. In my opinion it’s just not that big of a deal since these events are fast and easy to do, and you can find events with great accuracy in quick succession using gw2stuff. Also you get free rares and other loot to salvage for MF. There are other things way more irritating about this game, haha.

Irritating is subjective. I’m annoyed by dragonite ore as well. I don’t like having to watch a timer, then port in to kill uninteresting bosses. I wouldn’t mind building ascended gear at all if it weren’t for dragonite ore. I currently only have 3 ascended weapons because the grind for dragonite is so boring it’s hard for me to motivate myself to do it.

Aza.2105:

Obtena.7952:

Nick.6972:

Is it just me or is this “Zerker only or leave” thing only on official forums?
Almost 1000 hour total playtime and no one has ever asked me to ping my gear.
Weird.

Pretty much, because it’s the only place that gives competitive PVE players a voice. Gear matters little when it comes to successful PVE encounters. We all know this.

This is exactly right.

We’re not talking about successful runs, we’re talking about efficient runs. Sure some Clerics could successfully run arah p4 in ~1hr 30mins ( if they can beat Simin), but we’d rather finish it in ~40. And we’re trying to enlighten others to be able to have fast, easy, fun runs.

If a group of these non-zerker builds were to do the same dungeon tour my guild does, they would finish hours after we finished.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Now get out there and break the Guardian lupicus solo record and go next level.

A full skill clicking solo would actually be fun to watch. I don’t think I have the patience to attempt that.

Yaki.9563:

laharl.8435:

vlad.3467:

so i can tell only one thing. The other day I was playing with some random ppl lvl 26 or 29 fractal I dont remember exactly now. We were doing that lava fractal with grawls. We couldnt kill the boss at the end, so i swithed to Soldier/Cleric guardian I have. We made it on the first try, it took like 5-10 mins. Nobody was complaining about my cleric gear.

Guardian is op on the Legendary Grawl because of projectile reflects/blocks. It’s probably the fact that you brought in a guardian that helped, any guard build has reflects.

Or maybe also that heals are great in that fight since your group takes lots of damage from the adds but no big 1-shot hits.

If you don’t understand the strength of projectile defense in this encounter, you have a small understanding of the guardian class and the game mechanics in general. My team often runs 2 guardian for high level fractals and used to routinely melee the shaman at 48 (I’m not back that high yet due to time constraints). That fractal is a joke with guardians. Considering my entire guild runs full zerker builds, heals have nothing to do with it.

I didn’t even know vigor was being nerfed. When is this happening?

vlad.3467:

so i can tell only one thing. The other day I was playing with some random ppl lvl 26 or 29 fractal I dont remember exactly now. We were doing that lava fractal with grawls. We couldnt kill the boss at the end, so i swithed to Soldier/Cleric guardian I have. We made it on the first try, it took like 5-10 mins. Nobody was complaining about my cleric gear.

Guardian is op on the Legendary Grawl because of projectile reflects/blocks. It’s probably the fact that you brought in a guardian that helped, any guard build has reflects.

Maladon.5760:

laharl.8435:

Only in pve things are easier because you know what you’re up against and you know exactly what skills a boss will use. So why not choose the optimal build for this setting?

I haven’t made a case for either type of build. I was just pointing out that it’s really disingenuous to claim an activity requires any measurable skill when you’re just speccing for max damage and blowing kitten up.

You should try some of the harder content then. There is always an amount of skill that will make things much easier for you and your party. It does take skill to complete content as fast and efficiently as some people are doing, it’s naive to not recognize that. There are also some of us that like to provide challenges for ourselves such as duoing and soloing.

Why do these threads always devolve into the clerics saying “oh yeah, well in wvw blah blah blah fwee lewt bags!” Look at the op, he is clearly referencing pve.

Guess what, many people play pve AND pvp. Some of us just choose to gear and trait our characters optimally for all game modes. The fact that you guys don’t know what is optimal for pve, when it’s very easy to figure out, leads me to believe you aren’t very competitive in pvp either- where the most viable builds aren’t as obvious

Maladon.5760:

I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s ego, I’m just reading the thread like everyone else. If there’s no consideration that needs to be taken defensively for pve then you simply can’t claim it takes very much skill to participate. This thread is actual proof of that concept.

What I see proven here is that some people don’t have the skill to recognize animations and dodge attacks, so they compensate with tanky gear and mad heals. In pvp, reading animations is very important, same as pve. Only in pve things are easier because you know what you’re up against and you know exactly what skills a boss will use. So why not choose the optimal build for this setting?

Maladon.5760:

PvE people are weird

Care to elaborate?

Upham.6137:

Tigre.6458:

If her pull is reflected the Big Ol’ Bomb doesn’t explode

Oh boy, that makes it even easier than before

If you do get pulled, can you use mantra for stability and dodge before the explosion or it’s literally instant?

It’s instant. If you get pulled, you get bombed, possibly twice.

Agony.3542:

Lalocat.6793:

Really? The whole selling thing is kind of bad. I needed two more paths so after watching the lfg for bit I nervously joined a group for p1. It was a guild group with two empty spots, the other guy logged out when we got to lupi, after the fight was explained but before we’d even tried it, and they brought another guildie to replace him. We took out lupi in one try and moved on, finished the dungeon. I was pretty sure I wasn’t going to be kicked to sell the spot because we had been chatting and they were nice, and they didn’t. But I shouldn’t even have to worry about that.

It is insulting hearing that stuff over and over again. Sure there may be some trolls/kittens that kick you before the last boss in order to sell/invite a guildmate, but as it stands most rushers wont do that.
P1 sellers mostly pay people to help them@tar, skip or kill lupicus and sell the run that way (or get kicked by wannabe whiteknights).
The fact that you would need at least one extra person in order to kick people in your run aswell as often times carrying your party trough the dungeon isn’t worth the extra trouble (you would have to share with the other guy). If you get lets say 32g that means you have to share 16 of it with the other guy, paying three players to help you with tar is cheaper.
P2 was easy to solo inb4 the alphard diasaster (Alphard is the new Simin now). A lot of people skiped gl there aswell, others killed him w/e. P3 is soloable with the help of the portal consumable or another player that helps you with orb carrying. Same goes for p4.
TL;DR please stop insulting a part of the playerbase by continously claiming false things.

I saw that happen last weekend. A guy paid myself and others to help him with Shaggroth and he solo’d everything else. Meanwhile I did a trio p4 sell, got kicked by a “buyer” I played with before (a guy I have personally seen exploit in Arah). Then I see a guy in lfg wanting help with Shaggroth. I go in, it’s the same guy a couple hours later. His first run had been kicked by the same guy that griefed me from p4. So that poor guy lost money that he had paid for help.

Iason Evan.3806:

Zedd.8239:

I can understand why this would be frustrating but at the same time I think it’s a nice short term change to help people out that want celestial gear. That said, after getting over 100 charged quartz from gifts and with nothing to do with it all, it’s a rather disappointing reward. Then again, so are all the ugly socks, hats, and sweaters. But at least those can be traded for other stuff.

All I am saying is they should have communicated it. I would have liked them to say, “Hey guys! We are putting Charged Quartz in the Wintersday Gifts. Don’t worry about logging in every day even if you weren’t going to. We will give you more than enough.”

Exactly, a little advance communication would be nice. Just like they could’ve told us fractals levels would be reset way in advance of when they finally told us. All that time spent “progressing” alts and such could’ve been spent much more productively.

It’s not like draconic was known for looking good, that’s the former BiS craft armor. I personally think ascended looks a step above draconic, but it’s subjective.

I experienced a teleport in p2. It was a pug, we had not skipped lupi nor started Brie. I made it to Brie, activated cutscene. Was waiting for people to get there when I was teleported back to the middle of the trash run. I didn’t activate the console, was just standing there.

mtpelion.4562:

It was a bug, in that it allowed the creation of Globs of Ectoplasm through the use of Mithril, a clearly unintended result that clearly rewarded those who used the bug.[/quote]

How is it a bug? There was no malfunctioning code, everything was functioning as intended as far as I know. It was an exploit of existing mechanics.

mtpelion.4562:

Mystic.5934:

They have banned people in the past for buying Black Lion Salvage Kits with $$ and using them to salvage a lot of specific rares (wintersday, the snowflake trinkets). People said ‘wtf thats not cool’ and got over it after a week.

The big difference between that and this is that those people discovered a bug that impacted a specific item/items and then went out of their way to exploit it. Their purchases of BL salvage kits were made in order to exploit the bug.

The only way to NOT exploit the current bug (if it is a bug) is to stop using your Copper Fed kit. That is a completely unreasonable thing for them to ask since you paid real life money for it, and since they haven’t made that unreasonable request, they certainly cannot take action against those who continue to use their kits.

The reason they haven’t said anything is because they are working on a fix (to either the drop rate or to the item description) and they are hoping to get that fix in before knowledge of the bug becomes widespread (while the forums may all be well aware of the bug, the forums represent a very small minority of the game’s total user base).

It really comes down to intent in these cases. The Snowflakers intended to exploit a bug to get better results. The Copper Fed users simply intend to salvage and are getting better results.

It’s always a fine line you walk when bugs are present and you benefit from them, but a “reasonable person” approach would suggest that today’s bug won’t result in bans.

Full disclosure: I don’t own a Copper Kit, and won’t until this is fixed.

The snowflake salvaging wasn’t a bug.

This “bug” is a good thing for Anet. More people are buying the machine.

Peetee.9406:

By fixing it, I mean they added a big kitten gorilla that one shots people with invisible rocks.

I want to use this method to fix things in real life.