Guild Wars 2

I love how people are all about how much they liked it and how interested they were in it, but suddenly all that is blown away because a certain NPC turns up.
Seriously?

Saw one in Diessa Plateau.
I did touch it.
It knocked me back and I got a pop-up saying: “Which part of DO NOT TOUCH was unclear?”

EverythingXen.1835:

I have a hard time believing QA testers that dont test what happens upon PC defeat in new content have much of a leg to stand on regarding doing their jobs. More skeptical folks could start questioning their existance as well.

It is however fully possible that said issue didn’t turn up on the test-servers.

Not in most of the world.
And the date is for where ArenaNet are active, which means they still have over 12 hours left

Hehe, I love the video.
Definitely a new interesting way to advertise a product.
Lets up we get a couple of new Tyrians ^^

JMar.3254:

It’s about gearing and coordinating, not really that hard. But thanks for the compliment.

And yet the majority of the players most likely don’t have the exact right gear or the coordination.
Especially since most parties on those levels seems to be something like: “LFP Fractals lvl 39, must have EXPERIENCE, Min 40 AR SHOW GEAR, NO NOOBS!”

Why else do you think there are so few people on that level or higher?

Well, based on the extremely toxic spam in the chat during the live-streams and also all the toxic towards them here on the forums it is logical that they try to do as little interaction as possible via live-streams.

For the vast majority of the players 39 most likely IS really hard. Keep in mind that not everyone is as awesomely leet as you guys

Great job to advertise for hackers and gold sellers that your account is up for the grabs ^^

It is unusual for stuff to be pushed back unless there is a major bug found.

No one is defending it.
But claiming that they don’t have a working QA department and that they should fire them is just silly.
The bugs we see are still quite minor, not really anything game-breaking. Sure they are annoying, but in most cases not worth pushing a release back for.

People also seems to believe that every single bug will be found during testing, and that the testing environment is identical to the live environment, and thus works exactly the same. Which is completely incorrect.

“We’ve always EXPECTED that we will someday raise the level cap in GW2”

I would say that the expected part makes it quite clear that nothing is actually decided, only that they had those plans discussed.

JMar.3254:

Nope. You’re actually 100% completely wrong, you have it backwards, it scales less severely.

Oh, I would love to see that list of Instabilities, I must have missed it, so please feel free to link it.

I am of course talking about the instabilities not the difficulty of the Fractals as such, which is what the quote is talking about.

Lets keep in mind that this was something stated over a YEAR ago, and nowhere does it actually say that they WILL increase the level cap.

Maybe I should have been clearer: There are 10 more on higher scales that most likely will be harder. And looking at how the Fractals scale over all it does tend to jump quite a bit in difficulty rather drastically later on.

Fror.2163:

The only instability we saw so far is a real joke. That is no challenge. It might be annoying in the dredge fractal because we kill so many and in cliffside because we’re forced to camp at some points, but challenging? Never.

It was also one of the first, so one can assume it is also one of the easiest.

Oh, so you never even tried a even number Fractal after lvl 48 then?
Because if you did you would have been fully aware that you were not supposed to bypass it.

If you are partying with someone to access something that is only available by exploiting I would say that makes you at least somewhat guilty of exploiting yes.

The ability to get to said level did require an exploit, even if you personally didn’t use it.

Your old level might have been 80, but that should in no way or form be taken into consideration, since it was not possible to get there in a legit way.

Wethospu.6437:

Are you telling me that it never was my old fractal level? At least entering with number 80 seemed to make enemies much stronger.

No, I am just saying that you were not supposed to be there, and thus you can’t really use that as a measurement for the new system where the limit (hopefully hard-capped) will be 50.

There are map-caps. And those map-caps are tied to the servers, not the map as a whole. So server 1 can have x players, server 2 x players and server 3 x players on Map Y.
Server 1 can never fill up the map so that server 2 and 3 can’t get the same amount of players.

Wethospu.6437:

Apparently zMajc does! Why else he would say that I can reach my level 80 in few days?

I don’t really care about 50. Casual content. And that wasn’t my old fractal level.

Lvl 80 is irrelevant, since you were never supposed to be on that level (and you couldn’t get to that level without either exploiting yourself or using someone else that have exploited (which in effect would make you use the exploit as well)).

So what should they do?
Push every single release back several years in order to find every possible issue that might turn up?
I wouldn’t say that 4 months is rushed either tbh.

Due to the look on their faces this was something that hadn’t turned up yet in the tests, which shows that stuff can go wrong even after it being tested.

Wethospu.6437:

If you don’t know the answer why don’t you just let zMacj answer?

No one CAN know, since we don’t have all information yet. And we don’t have a clue how good or bad you are, so there is simply way too little information to make an estimation.

That is of course impossible to say since we don’t know how the new Instabilities will effect stuff, nor how the new scaling and new fractals will be.

But I would say that before next Tuesday it is likely that at least one group have cleared scale 50.

Wethospu.6437:

Could you give me your estimate? How many days it will take me to reach scale 80? I can play like 2-3 hours a day.

You are not supposed to reach scale 80, and hopefully they will make it impossible with this update.

So should they start demanding that all their developers are awesome at the game then?
Because that is basically how it sounds right now. People bashing them because they are not “good enough”.
They are doing it as a JOB, not for entertainment, and especially not for OUR entertainment.

robertul.3679:

Hey so the personal level wipe was worth it! It’s just so fair that the first person to grind his #### off to 50 deserves to be there forever. GG ANET.

How is it more fair that people would automatically be on the top when the leaderboard was introduced making it impossible for anyone else to get there?

lekyii.9856:

Completly redone? they just use the gambit system from the queen patch…

to me this was just a way to keep the player base with “End game” while they make new content.

And cmon everyone can see that the Leaderboards was a last minute call to excuse the “reset” on the fractals level.

And changed scaling.
And added new fractals.
And added new rewards.

And no, it is not even close to the Gambit system from QJ.
The gambit system was something you could influence yourself, while these Instabilities are here whether you want them or not.

The fact that they have completely redone lvl 31-50?
Isn’t that reason enough?

If they completely redid Orr would you still complain that you had to rediscover WPs that are in completely different places from before?

Petty nonsense?
Completely ignoring the whole point of the vote is a bit more than “petty nonsense”.

Why should people ever think ArenaNet would every listen to the community again if they pulled something like this?

I am opposed to the Abaddon fractal as well. Due to the fact that the voting ended up in favor of the other one.
Why bother voting for stuff in the future if it still won’t really matter in the end?

voidwater.2064:

The voting was not a good idea to begin with. I would really like to see the Abaddon fractal. I can’t understand why any player would object to having both fractals. You want to deny people content they want just for the sake of your vote? Terrible, petty, and selfish behavior. For lore, there’s no reason Ellen can’t research the Abaddon fractal as well.

Well personally I voted for Evon, so I would have preferred the Abaddon fractal as well.

But can’t you imagine the massive amount of outrage we would see here on the forums if ArenaNet suddenly disregarded something that they claimed would decide the future of the game by simply giving us the losing side as well?

They are developers, not entertainers or PR-people.

Dr Ritter.1327:

well maybe if we make enough threads they will see the support for it and consider making it, since they are doing that community feedback thing.

And at the same time they would make it very clear that they don’t give a kitten about what the majority of players vote for.

Morsus.5106:

Oh don’t get me wrong, we finished it, it’s just the guy had no idea what he was doing, and started on 10 because his friend told him it was a good idea. If you know what your doing at 35, I think you can make it, but I’d much prefer an exotic’d up 80.

There is no guarantee that said lvl 80 have ever been to the Fractals either though. Just because one is lvl 80 doesn’t mean you have a clue about what you are doing.

Xae Isareth.1364:

That’s a pretty cool idea. Instead of revamping the fight from GW1, we could have a fractal which relives his original banishment

Well they did make it quite clear during the election that the Fractal WOULD be about the original Fall. Not the battle in Nightfall.

Ayrilana.1396:

No. People that go into a dungeon/fractal that are under the level requirement are just a liability and will be carried the entire time. Being upscaled does not help them.

Not everyone that is lvl 80 is good players, nor is everyone that is lvl 35 in need of being carried.

I have personally had to carry way more lvl 80 players than lower-leveled players in dungeons overall.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

P2W would make the game different how exactly?

You can currently pay to level, pay to get the best gear in the game, pay to get boosters that give a statistical significant advantage over the best gear in the game, pay to get gold and pay to get cosmetics. The only aspect of the game you can’t P2W currently is dungeon and karma gear, which no one really cares about anyway.

This game is the most P2W AAA game on the market right now.

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Wait, what are these boosters that give “a statistical significant advantage over the best gear in the game”? I would love to buy them and be able to rofl-stomp everyone, even those much more skilled than me!

JMar.3254:

Or a better better question would be why the instabilities don’t start at lvl 50 or 80?

´Because designing content that the vast majority of the playerbase will never be able see is stupid?

haviz.1340:

With 100% confidence I can say that agony does not kill you at level 51 which is perfectly doable without any sort of tricks, exploits, hacks, cheats and other cheap tricks everyone thinks were used. In fact, doing said level is perfectly in line with game mechanics and fractals personal level progression.

Ah, lvl 50 of course.
Silly me.

Wethospu.6437:

So if I take 100€ from you and give 50€ in return you would be like “Hey thanks dude for the extra cash”? Do you even have any point or just arguing pointless semantics?

Scale 80 can be easily reached. They could have easily prevented it. They did nothing for a year. So don’t try to tell me how you were never supposed to reach it.

So, what do you see as a fair compensation then? With the example you give here it would simply be: Lose lvl 80 but regain access to lvl 40 more or less.

Hm? I am rather sure that it required some kind of “foul-play” in order to get past the 1-hit kill Agony at lvl 51, but maybe they changed that? If not I would say it was quite clear that you were not supposed to go higher than that.

Morsus.5106:

6 months ago, I found it incredibly easy to get into FotM. There will be a huge influx of new players. And now people will be running multiple times for dailies. New to FotM? (If you have exotics) get in a 10 run. The only time that’s a problem is when your idiot friend in the pug tells you “oh you just became 80? quick lets go on a fotm run so you can get better gear!” Don’t think just because your 80 it’s time to start fotm. Last time this happened to me the guy was in assorted blues, and had barely any idea what he was doing. Since we were trying to rez him, it was harder than doing a four man run.

Well since you are scaled up you could technically start FoTM much earlier.
I have personally been in runs when we have finished it with a lvl 35 guy.

Ah, yes. I looked it up. And I am of the same mind there. Titles should not be added retroactively. But since that happened about 6 (?) months ago, I don’t really see the reason to start shouting about it now.
I am rather sure there were a kittenstorm back then anyway, and it is unlikely that they would do the same mistake again.

Wethospu.6437:

Compensation is not extra. You may want to check what that term means.

Also not that many would have bothered trying to reach scale 80 even if it had a title. Most of the people can’t handle content like that and probably some would have been repelled by the poor rewards.

If you get something that you would not have gotten otherwise, that would be extra.

Lvl 80 should never even be considered for extra rewards, since it was never supposed to be reached.
Lvl 50 has always been the cap. The fact that a small number of people disregarded that and went ahead should definitely not give them extra rewards.

You mean the content that is going away with tomorrows patch and no longer is relevant?

And what makes you so sure they haven’t already done so?

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

If I knew they are handing out titles for the QP I would have farmed it way more. Why don’t you go to the pvp section and say it’s not fair that they gave one time unique titles to ppl that actually cared for pvp?

Hm, I must have missed that (I didn’t really frequent the forums back then, so feel free to inform me )

Wethospu.6437:

We don’t want anything extra, we just want compensation.

You don’t want anything extra, you just want something extra..?

Wethospu.6437:

Sure, it’s not completely fair. But is this? Now people who have put lots of effort get hurt. If they give us a title then people who have put ZERO effort get “hurt”.

But the people getting “hurt” by this is a tiny minority of the players. While adding some rewards retroactively would “hurt” WAY more people.
They are a company, they should always put the majority ahead of the minority.

Amater.4038:

Translated ever?

Yes, I have translated quite a few things (mainly movies and business software though, never games) and it does take quite a bit of time and effort.

Have you?