Guild Wars 2

So you are having low fps issues only in guild wars 2? I’m running out of ideas tho. Btw by any chance you changed gpu slot while you were changing your disk drive? And also check your power settings it may be screwed and downclocking your hardware.

Lediath.7593:

Please don’t OC your CPU for just one game. I ran the game fine (for the most part) on my old AMD CPU, as well as my new Intel CPU without any overclocking.

4.5GHZ is absolutely not needed and not a “sweet spot” for gw2. There are of course some optimization issues under the hood that needs to be tightened up for gw2, but OCing your CPU won’t get you anywhere to try to solve this particular issue.

Yea we all are aware that but there is nothing else on our end to do… So overclocking is the best option.

If this is just one time thing I would just ignore it but if it keeps occuring I’d say check your bios versions for motherboard and gpu itself. Updating them might be a solution to your problem

Have you checked the temps? There may be some throttling in your system due to overheating.

Have you tried repairing the game? Recently changed driver version?

Whats your psu? How old is it?

off all the games out there only like 40-50 games uses physx..

for that clocks evo should be enough and 7970is way better than a 670..

how far will you overclock your cpu? Evo is quite nice but if you will go all out i’d suggest water cooling anyday

well glad we have been helpful just make sure your board supports 125w tdp fx series either google it or contact to gigabyte i couldnt see the cpu support list of the board in the related page of gb web site… and before installing the cpu make sure your board is on latest bios.

Let alone overclocking I’m not even sure whether that board supports 125w tdp fx cpus…

zerk.9701:

You sir are getting bad advice. FX8350 OC to 4.5GHz thinking you will need to bump up from 1.3 Volts to 1.4 with a 6850 video card will draw about 350 WATTS at full load!
I would be more concerned if the FX 8350 will work with the motherboard you have since you never listed it.

EDIT they got it to 4.8 stable with 1.375 volts.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-2.html

Yes because all chips are made equal and we are living in the world of pollyanna… even the slightest bump of Vcore is increasing voltage draw and heat obviously so I’m just assuming that you are not using an FX processor…

Seasonic / Corsair brand psu’s are very popular i’d suggest you to check newegg comments on particular products. And btw your budget is 300 for cpu / psu and cooler? or just psu and cooler? and whats your current Mobo model gonna check if its compatible with Fx8350

winterlove.6834:

I think I figured it out was some corrupted direct X files and my cards are getting to hot one reached 101c now to figure out how to keep these bad boys kool I have a nice antrec 1200 case prolly have to do some custome coolers or somthin for the cards or test to make sure the new one aint messed up cause ones running 26c hotter the the other

make sure you make some room in cards put some kind of rubber block but make sure you dont over do it so the pcb does not bend

Well you dont need more than 600w just for 4.5ghz 3850 and a single R6850 but if one of my friend asked for an advice about the same parts this what I’d say.

600w psu wont be providing 600w forever, it will degrate over time also 6850 wont be enough soon so adding a secondary 6850 to the rig will be considered or upgrading to another and more powerful card then 600w might not be enough so you may spend a bit more on it to save yourself from that kinda problems and you have enough budget for both watercooling and 700+ psu.

Have you checked your CFX bridge? any change that its been damaged or like not properly fit in the slot? those kinda little things mostly bring bigger problems… Also have you been overclocking any of the parts? cpu or the gpus? have you tried any other games encountered similar problems?

Hello Duron first question is whats your budget? 460w psu wont be nearly enough to overclock an FX because that’s a power hungry chip. If you are going to o/c to just 4.5 evo will be enough but believe me if you have a tendancy to try and get more out of your stuff you will surely be pushing that chip to 5ghz which should be possible for majority of 8350 but an evo cant cool it down but antec h20 should do the trick unless you go crazy with the voltages. anyways you will need 650/700(+80bronze atleast)watt psu assuming you have a latest gen 7xxx radeon / 6xx nvidia card which are quite power efficient which does not consume more than 200watt at 100% so yeah give a price point and your exact intention of overclock also your gpu model. but basically 4.5 evo could do the job/antec would be perfect and a 600/650/700watt psu beyond 4.5 atleast 700-800watt would be needed to keep the rig running nice and smooth.

it’s 2013 for god’s sake why are people still using 32bit OS on 64bit platforms…

Have you updated your motherboard’s bios to the latest? Try that and make sure you aren’t exceeding your psu’s limit if you are sure that it’s capable of feeding your rig then my question is how old is the psu? If it’s older than one year, its capacitors start dying and the power they supply degrades ofc this assumes that you are using the rig considerably long every day.

Chewiee.2564:

muslumgurseks was right! The new RAM was faulty. Thanks!

No thermal problems but thank you for answering!

Cheers glad that worked

Make sure you are running your gpu on the 16x slot if you have multiple pci-e slots.

Well I’m using an AM3 cooler ( Akasa Venom Voodoo) on my 990fx board and it is compatible but it does not exhaust to the back of the case instead it does to top so if you have a top exhaust in your case it wont be a problem. And for 3570k’s cooler it sucks balls but I’m pretty sure your am3 cooler is compatible with that aswell if you havent lost it’s brackets.

Kryptio.3169:

Thanks for the reply storm. I currently am using a oc certified thermaltake CPU cooler, so I just play on using that one and try and overclocking the 8350 to at least 4.5 ghz or so. Do you have the 8350? What’s your fps look like in pve and Wvw?

I dont own the new series of fx just have the 8120 I cant really say that I’m perfectly happy with the previous gen but if you make up your mind for that FX8350 make sure your certified cpu cooler is compatible(and you own the brackets etc) with am3+ boards if you are changing the board aswell or you are going to be spending some more money for the cooler that may very well end up the same price point of 3570k(kinda couldnt understand whether you are going to change mobo for both or just for 3570k)

Well some people surely do use them but not with just random monitors… 1st rule of surround/eyefinity get same resolution/contrast monitors if you cant get them all exactly the same.

@loseridiot

Hey Einstein I wasn’t comparing those games to GW2 either read properly or just dont comment on random things you see on the screen I was just stating how would that system run the other games cuz obviously there is no pc that can run gw2 on 80fps constantly…

well crashing mostly in bay side with highly populated and smoked zergs dont have the crash txt tho..

well give it a try but uninstall previous drivers with driversweeper or that kinda tool

Well from a thunderbolt or e-sata it should be fine but usb3 data transfer rate will be quite limited for an ssd tho.

If they had an explanation they would have fixed it by now…

Arghore.8340:

@Muslum tnx for the info, while i didn’t know for sure i had pretty much already pointed out it would not function optimal. Still though, tnx for the added info

Yea pci-e 3 @ pci-e2 is not optimal but the performance you would loose is 1-2 in the worst cases if the articles I’ve read about them are not mistaken..

skaruz.5391:

Could it run a PNY Geforce GTX 660 XLR8 NVIDIA Graphics Card?

Why wouldn’t it? The real question is “would that GTX 660 give you the performance you want in games more spesifically in gw2?” You will notice a difference but your cpu, as said many times above, will be bottleneck the kitten out of that GPU and wont be using its full potential. But if you are going to be upgrading any time soon that would be a very good choice.

@Arghore PCI-e 3.0 Cards are backwards compatible with pci-e 2.0 slots so it would run just fine.

SolarNova.1052:

The reason i lean towards the 3770k for high performance like the OP is requesting is becouse for GW2, and a few other rare CPu intensive games, u can use up all 4 threads on a 3570k.

For example my own CPU has 12 threads yet in GW2 it can hit 50% overall usuage in extreme situations, and 40% in heavy WvW. Thats equal to 6 and 5 threads used.

Its just somthing to think about anyway….
A 3570k will be great for the majority of games out though

That’s indeed a logical recommendation but Imho a gaming ring should not be built in favor of only one game.. Not that R7870xt a bad card or 3770k is an overkill but most of the modern games utilize most of the installed gpu unlike GW2. Besides no matter what 3770k will be providing 80constant in GW2 as OP asked anyways but he will be amazed in any other games that use GPU properly…

Tried un installing the ram you bought alone if it works with only with that? Some laptops require 2slots of ram to post anyways it may be related to your rams try old ones alone and the new one if possible… Make sure you have the latest mobo bios and revert any manual overcloking you made if any.. (assuming you arent using a modded bios for your gpu and laptop overall doesn’t overheat..)

Seems you are not using the amd 13.3beta drivers I would try it out to see if it changes anything

Farming Flats.5370:

the official 13.1 will work or the last beta works well too 13.3 beta

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-3WINBetaDriver.aspx

but this game is CPU bound , if i use one HD6970 or two in crossfire the performance is the same

Yea I haven’t noticed much performance changes with drivers with this game ofc one might provide couple of more fps but cba looking for one since performance I get out of my cpu will not increase with it :F and fyi 13.3beta is working quite nicely

Rampage.7145:

muslumgurseks.4951:

This game fried my Asus g73 on the launch day… So don’t buy one unless you really have to.

Gaming laptops require special care and computers knowleadge, u must know how to open them and clean the inside, apply thermal compound on the chips stuff like that, constantly monitor the themperature of the components (there are software for that). Sure if u are clueless about computers u will fry ur laptop easy.

Mine wasnt running hot because I modded the fans so they could run 100% both cpu and gpu were pasted with good stuff. And yeah it requires a bit of knowledge and yet my statement stands dont get a laptop unless you really have to move around daily

Rampage.7145:

muslumgurseks.4951:

60+ average fps in Lions Arch is like a wet dream fow that cpu… At 16x if your fps doesnt go up its generally cpu.. go do pve with max settings attend highly populated events even wvw then compare the fps… lions arch isn’t where you are supposed to be measuring your rigs true performance

U are so wrong LA is the perfect place to measure system performance, it is very demanding, all the time u get about the same frames 24/7. Evnts are random, WvW is random (not the same 15 ppl than 150, not the same 100 than 120, it is just random u can’t control it, LA u can.), there is no way u can measure ur performance on those places because u will never be able to repeat the benchmarks with the same amount of ppl, spells on the screen, etc.

Sorry but have you actually done a LA run through test? Its so Fing jumpy one sec its 100 one sec its 30 how on earth you could rely on that badly optimized area’s result? Crowd is crowd you dont need to have exact same amount of people to measure your fps in zergs because it drops to a certain point when there is enough people to call it a zerg..

Goloith.6349:

Same problem here. This patch ended culling but made things worse and I have a high end rig. 4.2 Ghz with two AMD 6970’s should be getting over 50-70 FPS in WvW. Now I’m getting 20-40….

with i7 920 you think you are supposed to get 50-70fps? Dude have you played this game? Have you seen how other people suffer from low fps with better rigs…

This game fried my Asus g73 on the launch day… So don’t buy one unless you really have to.

zerk.9701:

No need to get the i7 a i5 3570k will do just fine for gaming (it will need to be overclocked for this game) and 8 GB of memory is just fine this is everything but the speakers, mouse, keyboard, and monitor and will last you a long time. 7970 video card for when you play more intense graphics games that are not processor limited. Includes the operating system.
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Comes to 977 INC VAT mount the extra fan in the front as intake and the origenial front fan up top output.

I second this build having more cores obviously does not change anything in this pretty fked up game i5/i7 single core performance is the same afaik with that GPU you will be more future proof and other games like TR/Bioshock/BF3/4 will be butter smooth @1080p but don’t forget you will need to overclock the cpu to get the best out of it.

60+ average fps in Lions Arch is like a wet dream fow that cpu… At 16x if your fps doesnt go up its generally cpu.. go do pve with max settings attend highly populated events even wvw then compare the fps… lions arch isn’t where you are supposed to be measuring your rigs true performance

Well that’s the problem it’s not using all cores and the total usage is about at 30ish% and the processor is now clocked at 4.2 which yielded quite small improvement over the non o/c performance so I’m a bit sceptical about that 300more hertz of horse power will add 5 more FPS in zergs.

Even overclocked 3770k dips to 20s so this need of powerful cpu is becoming a lie…

That my friend doesn’t seem to be possible… I came to my friends’ place to try out the game on his rig (i7 3770k @4.2 7950 o/c edition) guess what it still goes down to mid 20s in WvW zergs… Guess one must get 3-4k costing rig to play a 50$ game…

I’d agree with solarnova if you must get a laptop, you want a gtx 660m or higher because anything lower than that wont let you play most modern games with acceptable frame rates. As for the cpus I dont know how powerful the Ivy mobile ones are but I would not expect much performance in WvW zergs because eventually you will be facing overheating related performance issues unless you buy a laptop designed for gaming.

Let me put my two cents in it if you are to play all sort of MMOs which most if not all rely on single core performance for obvious reasons and we all know which brand Cpus offer better single core performance. Last time I checked (like a week ago) with the most current drivers and what not I was getting 30ish on best appearance preset with the dips to 13-15 in WvWvW zergs. I dont regret buying the amd cpu I regret buying this game. So decide for yourself

My rig is fx 8120 @ 4.7ghz
Asrock 990fx Fatality Pro
Msi TF 6970

Yeah try overclocking but dont rush in it take your time and make sure your cpu doesnt get too hot.

An intel 3570k with 8gigs of ram and a decent mobo + Geforce Gtx 660 / 660ti / Ati Radeon hd 7850 would be a relatively cheap and high performance solution.

I’d say it’s a cpu throttling issue prolly that 70C is supposed to be lower… Does the fan in the laptop start running immidiately after you log in the game? If not thats what im suspecting… Late fan activation can be fixed with either a bios update spesificially fixing that or cutting the cable that transmits the fan speed signal from the motherboard but keep in mind that prolly voids your warranty and will have your fans to run 100% 7/24

Yeh case looks nice Newegg price is 99Usd so your local price is reasonable I’d say. For the fans I’d say 1 or 2 for front panel 1 for window and one for the top. As I see there is already one exhaust fan on it but if its missing in your case you will want to get one for that spot aswell. If you are going to install them yourself just ask for an advice for air-flow ( which fans for out-take)

And for the GPU check out the new gtx 660 and 650ti’s and if you can increase your budged by 50 look for 660ti as Swordbreaker advised.