Guild Wars 2

DevonCarver.5370:

Guild vs. Guild is a gametype that has a lot of potential and one that we would never do anything but the best possible version of. That version, if it comes, will have to wait until the resources are available to build it.

That may be the most interesting part of the whole announcement. I am grateful for the arena, and the griping about it in this thread makes me wonder about people even more than usual.

But I’d really like some more information about what this full blown gvg mode would look like, and why in the world are resources not being committed to it or even apparently planned for the forseeable future. Here is a company that wants part of its game to be esport, has exactly that right under its nose, and through some combination of hubris and stubbornness, management will not let it happen. Surely it’s not that they don’t see the potential?

Who cares, this can’t be happening that much. I literally have not had someone do this one single time.

That’s for sure, all 3 servers were within 1,000 points of each other for like 2 days or more.

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

You know exactly what I was saying. I am not comparing anyone, that’s what that other guy did. And btw some of the DR people are in the BP version. But he also called them incompetent and an absolute joke, which they are not. And I being on BP and having run with them before am in a better position to judge that then you are on Ebay.

But now you are making assumptions again. Believe me when I say you are not in a better position than me to judge the general quality of NoQQ players.

They might not be a joke, but despite being much bigger than the DR version, NoQQ is a shadow of it’s former self.

Look, they are a small guild of quality players, ok? They are not big, I gather the DR version was, is that a typo? But I am not commenting on DR NoQQ, you can be the expert there. Now they are not a joke, they are not incompetent, I don’t care what the hell they were on DR. Those comments are wrong, should not have been made, and should not be backed up by some Ebay guy trying to pick a fight in someone else’s match thread.

The initial poster obviously used NoQQ on DR as a reference point, so I’m not sure how you can sit there and say you are “not commenting on DR NoQQ”?

I never said that NoQQ on BP is a joke, I merely stated that the quality of players in it is lower than what it was on DR (2-3 active players when they fought IoJ).

Oh and I was trying to pick a fight with that IoJ guy I first quoted but then you waltzed in and insulted a really good set of players.

You’re delusional, I have not insulted anyone. I responded to an insult. Show me where I said anything negative about DR NoQQ. I’m sure they were good, I’ve always heard that, I can see the ones who came to BP are good. There are more than 2 -3 btw, and they are very good players, that was the only point I was trying to make.

If you’re initial comment was intended to rebut the IoJ’s guy’s insult, I just misread it. So fair point there. But it sounded like you were basically agreeing with his appraisal of the current guys running with that tag, and he’s dead wrong about that.

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

You know exactly what I was saying. I am not comparing anyone, that’s what that other guy did. And btw some of the DR people are in the BP version. But he also called them incompetent and an absolute joke, which they are not. And I being on BP and having run with them before am in a better position to judge that then you are on Ebay.

But now you are making assumptions again. Believe me when I say you are not in a better position than me to judge the general quality of NoQQ players.

They might not be a joke, but despite being much bigger than the DR version, NoQQ is a shadow of it’s former self.

Look, they are a small guild of quality players, ok? They are not big, I gather the DR version was, is that a typo? But I am not commenting on DR NoQQ, you can be the expert there. Now they are not a joke, they are not incompetent, I don’t care what the hell they were on DR. Those comments are wrong, should not have been made, and should not be backed up by some Ebay guy trying to pick a fight in someone else’s match thread.

EFWinters.5421:

airstu.2579:

“hamahoogaboogadooga”

What language is that? I don’t quite get it.

nothing.7941:

You sir are entitled to your opinion. I know who is in that guild as it exists on BP, and take offense to that characterization of them. Not too mention it is just wrong.

Since you evidently don’t know who was in it on DR why do you feel “entitled” to making comparisons between the two?

You know exactly what I was saying. I am not comparing anyone, that’s what that other guy did. And btw some of the DR people are in the BP version. But he also called them incompetent and an absolute joke, which they are not. And I being on BP and having run with them before am in a better position to judge that then you are on Ebay.

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

urbanevil.7145:

Apparently noQQ has went from a competent grp, to a absolute joke

Dude you’re just dead wrong about this, I’ll leave it at that.

You don’t seriously believe that NoQQ on BP = NoQQ on DR?

They are quite competent on BP, I realize they are smaller than they were on DR. That’s different than them being “an absolute joke,” which is BS.

You are sadly misinformed I see.

You sir are entitled to your opinion. I know who is in that guild as it exists on BP, and take offense to that characterization of them. Not too mention it is just wrong.

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

urbanevil.7145:

Apparently noQQ has went from a competent grp, to a absolute joke

Dude you’re just dead wrong about this, I’ll leave it at that.

You don’t seriously believe that NoQQ on BP = NoQQ on DR?

They are quite competent on BP, I realize they are smaller than they were on DR. That’s different than them being “an absolute joke,” which is BS.

urbanevil.7145:

Apparently noQQ has went from a competent grp, to a absolute joke

Dude you’re just dead wrong about this, I’ll leave it at that.

Banzie.5248:

Walabone.6713:

MrFluffy.9307:

huge shout out to the [BB] guys, much thanks for popping PPK’s GvG cherry! glad you were our first

Good fights PPK!

We may have gotten stomped hard but we loved every second and shall learn

We had fun too, let’s do it again next time we get matched up. You guys noticeably improved as the match wore on, keep it up and we’ll look forward to gvg’ing with you some more. Maybe in a sweet new arena?

Mayhem.1935:

I am excepting all 1v1s. But when i down you, one of my guild mates will probably stomp with a wolf finisher bc thats what we does. O-yisss!

Why make exception for 1 v 1’s?

It was a bug, anet suspended the match and fixed it. Still BP-IoJ-CD.

Nice rant. There are serious problems with wvw, but you have no clue what they are.

Couldn’t disagree more. Bloodlust is fail, but not the ruins. I find small groups in them pretty consistently.

Samhayn.2385:

DevonCarver.5370:

Chris.3290:

Don’t laugh about the EU/NA merge, I’ve been thinking about it and I’m starting to believe that it may happen on some level (maybe a post-season between the top 3 of both zone?)
Think about it, they have been adamant about the 2 leagues about the beginning. They are adamant about the effects of bloodlust.

What could their big announcement be, that they need to have it translated perfectly before they can let the news out?

There are only three possibilities that come to mind:

2. Changes to the bloodlust. Either a change in the amount of bonus stats, in the places needed to capture, or even a cooldown before it can change hands.

“Think about it, they have been adamant about the 2 leagues about the beginning. "
The post is about the nature and number of leagues in NA.

Other points here:
1) My understanding is that we literally can’t match NA and EU servers up. It is about the physical locations of the data centers and the speed at which data travels. So, until that changes, interleague is off the table.
2) We are making some changes to bloodlust in advance of the season. More specific details will be out in the near future, I’m not sure when exactly.

what ever you do to bloodlust please dont make it pointless, i like the fact that it actualy brings small groups out to fight and i would hate to see wvw go back to just a giant zerg fest of people trying to get as much wxp as possable as fast as possable

People are in the ruins mainly for the great small party terrain, not the silly buff. If there were no control points I do not believe you’d see one less person there. If bloodlust is changed to do anything other than buffing player stats, we will have a much healthier wvw and happier player base.

imo winning the weekly match does not feel that great, and worrying about it during weeks when your server cannot possibly win leads to a lot of frustration. In the end it’s all about the fights, the fun of wiping their group, the camaraderie with your fellow soldiers getting it done.

Rieselle! What’s up dude? Yeah, seems like a good idea to me, if we have to leagues at all that is.

Chris.3290:

merru.3617:

Nice work getting our bay there BP, we’re aware you’re on map but we can’t get anyone else to come help

I think that every time a server loses a keep on the home borderland, but is not outnumbered in EBG, everyone on that server should be transformed into a skritt for 5 seconds.

Why not, SMC “shiny shiny!”

I second this. Anet, make it so.

Nice out of the box thinking, but tbh I don’t think many would sign up. My impression is very few ppl want the league.

Bloodlust thread merge please! It’s not just for the QQ threads, right?

ko killer.3692:

Farout.8207:

nothing.7941:

Borlis Brawlers is looking for a gvg. Post here, or PM me here on in game if your guild would like to give it a go on Thursday night.

Maybe Bane would be interested considering we are easy bags and all…

ko killer.3692:

Thanks for the easy bags Bp

GvG is dead, brah

Uhh, guess again, brah. We got a match tonight. Coulda been you guys, I’m sure the bags would’ve been very easy.

Yeah, it’s just that the new area is really fun for the size group Krew usually runs. Pretty sure we’d all support some reward for holding the control points that doesn’t buff player stats.

Are guilds using the gw2gvg site? I’m not getting responses to challenges.

Phantis.4815:

PS.: Please no flame against Arenanet or other Players in this threat. I Think they don’t want to hear your opinion if you flame them.

Your thread is now in this forum among the dance contests and fashion shows precisely because they do not want to hear opinions about how to fix gvg at all, nor want anyone else hearing them.

Chris, please explain what you mean. I assume you’re saying you don’t want them pushing for all 3 buffs during a gvg? Some of them are in Borlis Brawlers, I’m sure I can make it happen.

Chris.3290:

declan.3968:

Luvpie.8350:

Mag,SoS,SBI,EB,CD,BP League 2

League 2 would be pretty horrible; SOS is the only server with an Oceanic population.

The league as it exists now is a thousand times worse. At least with SoS you’ll be able to cap some objectives to get the achievements and rewards they are adding for leagues.
As it currently stands, you’ll be lucky to hold North Camp on your own BL for more than 5 minutes if you end up in a match with JQ and BG.

Yeah, the goal of 4 leagues is just to make this experience less horrible, not good. There’s no amount of tinkering which will make this ill conceived league idea a good thing.

How about no server based stat buffs of any kind?

Borlis Brawlers is looking for a gvg. Post here, or PM me here on in game if your guild would like to give it a go on Thursday night.

elkirin.8534:

Chris.3290:

Even BP is more classy these days. snip, data not needed , I’d find them downright pleasanat.

Credit where credit is due, I have a great deal of respect for BP’s players continuing to turn out and bring the fights. They could easily have switched off and tried for a rank 13, silver league spot but have proven to be WvWvWers.

See you on the battlegrounds!

I think some of us have, but idk why. I think we’re all assuming the supposed league announcement tomorrow will be 4 NA leagues, so there’s no motivation to tank for silver. But it was weirdly dead in wvw last night.

It’s pretty obvious that +150 to all stats is a big imbalance. But that happens only when your server or your opponent’s server has all 3 buffs. Any other combination of buffs shouldn’t be so unbalancing that you can’t have a reasonable match.

The bottom line is gvg is mainly about fun despite the gw2gvg ranking system. Gvg’ing is also the best way I can think of to protest anet’s transparent effort to destroy gvg.

Borlis Brawlers, after thinking we got hit with a knockout orb punch, has decided to pick itself off the floor and swing back. We don’t care about orbs, we want to gvg. I’d like to set up a match for Thursday night. If any guilds are interested post here or PM me.

Let’s adapt gvg rather than abandoning it. Don’t just quit, and don’t sit around waiting for sanity from the devs or implementation of a proper gvg map or arena. There are some basic principles we probably all can agree on:

(1) Gvg when all 3 servers have the buff is the same as before. We sure can gvg then.
(2) Gvg with a +150 stat disparity between the teams is not plausible. So the two servers without it can’t gvg with the server with it, but they can gvg with each other.
(3) Gvg with a +100 stat disparity is probably not plausible, though I go back and forth on this. The disparity could be reduced as discussed below. At a minimum, the +100 team could gvg with a team from the +50 server if you agree with (4) below.
(4) Gvg with a +50 stat disparity between the teams, while not ideal, is plausible. It’s really not that much. We can either live with it, or the disparity can be reduced by agreement that the +50 team uses no consumables, and the other team uses consumables and stacking weapons, and can even come to the match fully stacked. Maybe a slight modification can be added into the glicko system on the gw2gvg site to account for this in rated matches. Or not, perhaps we can just accept this.

The only real controversy is (4). If we agree on (4), then we can gvg the vast majority of the time. Thoughts?

We would still have to come to terms with the problem of the buff situation changing mid-match. Here’s how I think that should be handled:
(1) You finish the round, no matter what. No griping, no complaining. Think of it as rain breaking out in a football game matching a run oriented offense against a pass oriented offense. Rain favors the running team, but they still keep playing.
(2) If that is not the final round of the match, the teams pause and their leaders confer. They can agree to proceed without change, again with no griping about the buff altering the outcome. They can quit. They can wait for the buff to change back (see havoc squad below). Or the team which just acquired a +50 stat advantage can allow the other team to switch to stacking weapons and kill some warthogs or whatever. No new consumable by the +50 team, and a decision would be made about waiting for its consumables to expire before continuing. Maybe consumables should not be used at the start of gvg’s anymore to accommodate this problem.

Finally, we all want the level playing field, and we don’t want buffs changing mid-match. The guilds involved in the match can influence that by assigning havoc squads to patrol the middle of their respective BLs for sometime before the match and during the match. Their job is to make sure their server holds the buff for their BL, or doesn’t hold it if that server has the buff on another BL.

This is intended as a starting point, a way to get gvg’rs thinking about adapting this great game mode we all love instead of giving up on it. Please think about it and post any ideas you come up with here. We created gvg out of thin air in the first place, we can certainly do this too.

Did you forget to put “not” in the title?

It would sure solve part of the problem. But it’s clear anet cold not care less about the duel/gvg scene regardless of its popularity.

Mods, this thread includes QQ, plz merge with Bloodlust thread. Thx.

Mods, orbs were mentioned, plz merge with Bloodlust thread. Thx.

Yeah, that would be great. Or since they want something really OP it could be siege damage +/- 50% for all I care. Just no stat bonus.

DevonCarver.5370:

TheAmpca.1753:

Why don’t we get WXP for capping/defending these.

It’s far too easy to flip them just to farm WXP. One thing that is coming soon is an addition of WXP consumables to the player loot bags, which should make a pretty big addition to the amount of WXP you get from being in the area, assuming you are killing players. As to adding it to the general capping of the points, we’ll have to consider that pretty carefully before we make any changes.

Dude, read some other threads too, ok?

teonimesic.1403:

If anything, i believe this update actually improves GvG fights, as it becames more common on bloodlust fights. The bloodlust buff may ruin balance (if a server has superior bloodlust for example)

Delusional. How can anyone make those two staements in the same post? Dude, back to spvp, your control point is lonely without you sitting on it.

KStudios.2850:

Actually, been running/farming SAB all morning. When I said quit, I meant WvW exclusively. I meant what I said, but am being urged to reconsider. If I go back, it won’t necessarily be because I wanted to…

I do a bit of PvE for once, and people get all kitteny… For Grenths sake let me be angry for a while!

My God, KStudios in the freaking adventure box. GG anet. Dump the dam buff already, you have some good stuff going on here outside of that. But when you’re change for the sake of change puts someone like this OP in that stupid box, you have totally screwed up. Oh, and just give us a gvg arena already. How hard is that?

A separate map or arena without the buff would certainly solve the gvg problem. But anet in its infinite wisdom seems unable to accomplish this. Even if it did I would not want the buff in wvw, it’s just too much power.

Sol.4310:

Regards to GvG, I don’t believe that 20 vs 20 requires much skill in term’s clutch plays, skilled reses, player’s calling targets and calling clutch spikes. You will never see top tier game play in such big fight’s. I do understand it require some level of skill, builds being key factor but outside of that, all you see in that video is group following there leader (Targeted) around in a ball dropping combo fields and spamming skills at random targets which is basic game play. Where is the advanced PvP game play in that video???? 10 vs 10 would be ideal, at least then it require allot more tactics and skill.

Wrong, you’re clueless and obviously have never participated in one single gvg, so I find your opinion on the required skill worthless, especially being based on a single video. The point is gvg requires an even playing field which the buff destroys. Do you really not get that?

It’ s not just the gvg, but that is huge. This is an awful change for everyone on the wvw maps. The problem simply is the bloodlust buff. Anything else you can think of as a benefit for holding the orbs would not have this drastic impact, and the new maps are really fun. They are just the shake up wvw needed. What a shame that the makers of this game we love so much have so little insight into the totality of what makes it great.

Linkisdead.9647:

Ekan.1927:

Today I had the pleasure of meeting with the BP guild [sYn] and asking for a 4v4. We allowed them to fight us with 25 stacks of Corruption and Bloodlust(and three orb bloodlust +150 to all stats) for kittens a giggles, whilst we had 0. Downed 2 and they won the group. Though after asking for them to wipe their stacks they refused and tried to wipe us yet again on sight… I’m not saying the whole guild is bad but just some individuals have a interesting mentality. Either way, thanks for the fights from all the other guilds and keep it up everyone.

You came to us for a gvg, we didn’t exactly want to but you pressed so we agreed. Before the fight you said you didn’t care about stacks, don’t change your tune on the forums just because you lost. Deal with it. Some of your own guys had stacks on during the fight so I’m not sure what you’re whining about.

The second time you guys came up and wouldn’t stop attacking us, so the obvious thing to do was fight you back which ended pretty quickly.

TLDR: You agreed to all the parameters of the fight(nice 2engi/necro/guard group comp lol) before hand and lost so now you feel the need to complain and talk nonsense on the forums to save face.

Yeah, well this is exactly what those of us who love gvg feared. I have to add that after playing this new wvw for a few hours tonight, it is really fun, a great addition to wvw. Anet deserves a pat on the back for the map design. Then a kick in the balls for the gvg destroying, completely unnecessary bloodlust buff. That’s the whole problem. Any of a myriad of other very desirable benefits would produce the same motivation to hold the orbs. You don’t even need motivation to hold the orbs, people would be in those maps just for the forced close quarters fights where zergs are not at their usual huge advantage.

Also now that I’ve seen the new BL map, the reality is that all servers agreeing to just hold their own BL orbs is not practical. It just will not work imo. the only hope for properly balanced wvw and any gvg is changing the benefit of holding the orbs. I hate to say it, but we are at the mercy of anet employees who get some of it, but have no clue as to all of it. Good luck to us, we will need it.

Xillllix.3485:

Most ridiculous thread ever.

What should Anet do? Reward losers and people who fail instead?

It’s pretty well balanced as I see it, even a single person can cap an area.

How about do nothing? You were already playing, everyone else here was too. This change is not needed for wvw, and tanks gvg.

timidobserver.7925:

Goodbye to those that stop playing. Hopefully you are the pugs, uplevels, and undergeared.

Fool, those are precisely the people who are ok with this.

Noobie.1073:

AprilRain.7649:

To me that mostly just says “The stupid stay stupid”. Your enemy needs to capture 9 areas to get the buff. They need to hold these areas for 2 minutes before it gets activated. It takes more than 2 minutes to capture these points.

If you can’t stand up to them, you need to change your tactics and communicate better with your allies.

Glad to see I’m not the only one who feels the same. too much QQ over a mechanic that many of us on the forum have not even played. I wonder how many people actually read the patch update? lol

I read it, didn’t get any better. It just sux, how can anyone argue the point?

Juunro.7082:

I mean, I guess if SBI managed to get all three at once you could have a point, but I just can’t see that happening.

That would be huge. +150 to all stats vs everyone. But even if you just get two you have +100 to all stats vs 1 server and +50 to all stats vs the other (because that server also has +50, so you have a net +50 over them). You want that in wvw?

All I can tell you is I’m pushing for it on borlis.org, and will push for it in game. All we can do is try.