Guild Wars 2

Btw to everyone saying how thieves aren’t supposed to be highest single target dps please show me a link that verifies that thief is NOT supposed to have the highest single target dps. Hard to prove or disprove.

2nd vid is not lag, it’s a bug. It was the 1st wave that hit him and the 2nd one never connected. Really annoying for sure. Only way I found to avoid it is always keep an eye on the zerker and dodge as soon as he does his blink animation.

@rayya
Thieves don’t gain might on crit, thieves don’t add multiple stacks of vuln. That calculation was done assuming both had 25 stacks of might and the target had 25 stacks of vuln. Since thief can’t achieve either of those things by themselves, the warrior would have the advantage there. And about the link of highest single target dps from mods or w/e I don’t have a link, all I have is the word of hundreds of players that say thieves are supposed to have the highest single target dps. If this isn’t meant to be the case then common knowledge is wrong. Don’t get all huffy puffy about it please.

And since warrior/mesmer (am fine with mesmer being higher since theirs take time to set up and are vulnerable) has higher single target dps than thief but in an aoe and warrior/mesmer both have higher single target spike (also in aoe), where does that leave thief? Not saying thief doesn’t have its use, just saying it needs some love despite what the masses seem to think.

Trollhammer.7439:

eh? You mean them making search and rescue useless was a HARD nerf? I haven’t seen anyone use it for months to begin with.

Then you haven’t seen it used well. Grawl fractal, frak 48 for groups that don’t have the ar (and to avoid res rushing), dredge fractal, etc. Pretty much and high risk situation for resing was avoidable due to snr. Really feel for the rangers on this one. On 48, it’s almost a guarantee that someone is going to go down somewhere. That’s why snr was as good as it was.

:( you just made me miss Halloween and lost shores. Really hope that when that progress bar reaches 0 we get an awesome event like the lost shores one. I didn’t mind how long it took, was actual fun to me and the reward actually made precursor prices attainable! Was just sad I had a grand total of 5g at the end of the event. Would have bought my precursor if I could back then.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Yea! Personally I think it’s stupid my mesmer doesn’t have as big autoattack as warrior, can’t perma stealth and it’s also stupid that I can’t take a flame thower from my pocket!

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Point is, you can’t just steal the class mechanic (here big numbers of warrior) to another class without making that class overpowered.

mechanic is thieves are SUPPOSED to have the highest single target dps. We don’t even have the highest single target spike (which I am fine with). Sorry but your point isn’t relevant here.

why would that be the go to answer? Seriously, all it does is avoid the whole issue and topic. Btw, I have 7 lvl 80s and warrior isn’t the one I like the most so that’s why I’m posting here.

I found the zerker easier to hit b/c it’s always chasing you, that’s why I took him out 1st. Also hated having to deal with the mass of cc when the zerker became enraged. Last reason was b/c weth and I were doing this at around the same time but when he did it he said he killed the firebomber 1st so I wanted to kill the other. After seeing the boss fights in both vids I feel like having the bomber for end boss is better for thief and zerker for end boss is better for warrior. Just kind of worked out in the end.

Also I tried using daggerstorm once. Instantly regretted it. I stood in the middle of one of the aoes and tried to reflect one of the shots. I went through the storm and so I never used it again. Ironic really, died from getting knocked off the edge that run.

I soloed the dungeon including the boss with having firestorm as the last boss. Sometimes he’s highly accurate but most of the time he’s just shooting in your general direction but never at you.

yes Message Body length must at least be 15.

Ignoring the fact that it’s plagued with bugs, here’s what I feel should be done to better balance this boss encounter.

1. Berzerker melee damage should be doubled. Far too easy to just sit inside the boss and tank his hits if you have any defensive skills at all. Even on thief I was able to pistol whip away until all of my initiative was gone b.c the guy just isn’t a threat. Would have kept doing that but the firestorm sometimes puts down just too many aoes to do that safely. I’m 100% certain that a guardian with healing symbols and a team of 4 warriors could sit inside the zerker and 100%-0% it without ever having to dodge. Might be even easier than that, idk.

2. Firestorm aoe damage should still deal that 3k IF you actually get hit when the aoe lands. Any other time the damage per tick from walking into a lingering aoe should be 1k but only 1 tick of 1k at a time. Remove the instant double or triple hits of 3k+. Each tick being 1/2s apart.

3. Have the firestorm get better target player detection. I don’t mean shoot the player 100% of the time, I mean make it so the player actually needs to move more than 10% of the time.

4. Make it more likely to jump over the shockwaves on the “up” part of the jump instead of on the “down” part of the jump.

5. The player should have better access to information of what the “enraged” bonus abilities are. I know when the zerker is enraged he gets a crazy amount of cc on his autos. If you don’t have a stun breaker you’re eating all the hits. With that said, I have no idea at all what the firestorm does when enraged. I think he might shoot more and might do more dmg but I’m honestly not sure.

6. Would have asked you to stop forcibly porting the players to the arena but you already did that one, thanks!

7. Until you fix all the bugs that have to deal with the aoe knockbacks, either reduce the distance of the knockbacks, or put a border on certain sections of the arena. My idea for the best places for borders would be at both sides where the bridge drops. Easiest way to implement this would be to have the bridge raised instead of lowered.

is the boss fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpIIBNoLnpQ

is everything else

Why must converting and uploading videos take nearly a full day per vid

Yep, that happened to me many times too. Usually died to super annoying bugs that plague this dungeon though. Mostly the invisible aoe that deal up to 10k dmg on the first tick (3 ticks on 3k+ 1 tick of 600+, don’t believe me? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Insanely-annoying-MWF-boss-bugs-1/first#post1960609). There are others like the knockback aoe from the bouncing fireball never appearing, the shooting aoe never appearing (but visual does show up after it lands), knocked back by clap after the boss teles to you despite clearly outranging the shockwave or even if you jump over it… that’s all I can think of atm.

I’m sure once the bugs get fixed you’ll be able to do it np.

Deniara Devious.3948:

If the enemy grou kitten cattered

I’d like to solve the puzzle.

Is it:
If the enemy group….
is…
scattered?!

Okay now where’s my prize :P

Pip.2094:

@NinjaEd.
Kill pet, and Ranger hasn’t it anymore. Every profession has some “Jolly” skills or NPCs to rely on, yet these all can be made pointless by other players, while there is no help against Stealth.

Kill pet, you just wasted 10+s killing the pet. Guess what, ranger has another pet. Ranger just got buffed for swapping pets. By the time that pet dies, new ranger pet will almost be ready to say hi. Btw, you don’t like stealth, then aoe and don’t leave yourself wide open.

lLobo.7960:

randomfightfan.4091:

The poison is at the very end of the chain and only lasts 2s, that’s 2 ticks for 300 damage. Dagger is also a power weapon so why would a condition even matter?

the poison is there to get you that nice “10%dmg if target has a condition” thing…
Thats why your power trait line has cond duration on it…

true but not all power thieves go 25 or 30 into power line but more importantly, 90% of the time the target will be subjected to at least 1 other condition from somewhere else. Even if the player is 25 into power, they usually get vuln from their crits or cnd. Heck even blind are easy enough to maintain if you have pistol off-hand. Lastly, if the poison from the aa chain is the only source for a condition, then where is that 10% damage boost going to come from on the 1st chain and any time you back off to dodge or stealth or something?

I do like the poison on the final strike, it’s just not a good enough reason for dagger autos to be so low in comparison when thief is supposed to have the highest single target dps.

Skady.5916:

why is this a bug?

blind spot in the center of his red reticule might be a bug but jumping is ok imho

methinks that you didn’t watch the videos…

Auesis.7301:

This isn’t a small discrepancy, though, Artificer. It’s HUGE. Not even a close contest. I play both, and the amount of damage my Warrior can put out without being full Berserker compared to my D/D backstab Thief in full Berserker on a single target makes me cry.

Not to mention a warrior doesn’t have to have defensive anythings to be survivable whereas the thief needs something non-zerker in their traits to take any hits from anything. The choices are great but still, it matters.

This really needs to be fixed. Dungeon is currently plagued with bugs. This is just one of many

Artificer.3468:

the damage on daggers comes from other attacks, just like the rest of warrior axe attacks are utility(cripple, vuln) not including the burst ability since that’s a profession skill. Also the dagger chain is much easier to land than the axe attack chain due to it’s speed, at least to me.

The burst skill is a part of warrior axe. That’s like saying you can’t count grenade barrage as a grenade skill b/c it’s on the toolkit. It comes with picking axe (or grenades) so it’s a part of the weapon. Also imo they are both fairly easy to land since axe has better range and the mentioned aoe is significant in a LOT of situations. With daggers, if you don’t have a target you could be accidentally hitting the wrong thing or hs could throw you way off your course due to auto targeting. No problems with either of those things on axe.

if you’re looking for story then do story, if you want money and fun, do exp. There’s really no point in doing story modes except to unlock exp and for arah, to finish personal story. Easily the most fun dungeon is arah. You will hate it until you learn lupi, then you will love it.

Rajani Isa.6294:

lLobo.7960:

Mark Katzbach.9084:

As was mentioned earlier in this thread, we have stated that we are unable to provide a reply to all suggestions posted in the suggestion subforum.

We do, however, regularly read the suggestions forum and deliver feedback to the design team on a daily basis. Just because you haven’t seen a reply does not mean it’s not being read.

Could we get a “dev +1” so we know a dev has checked the topic and we can feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

And then there is a kittenstorm when the suggestion “players rezzed by max number of rezzers explode into a pile of kittens then reform” gets a dev+1 and isn’t promptly made into (in-game) reality.

could also have a dev -1

The poison is at the very end of the chain and only lasts 2s, that’s 2 ticks for 300 damage. Dagger is also a power weapon so why would a condition even matter? Only good use for it is in pve on bosses with regen. It will never affect a heal for anything in pvp or wvw. You’ll be lucky to get the full chain off in pvp or wvw. Not to mention the bosses that use healing as a mechanic are few and far between. Bosses like simin even ignore the poison when it comes to healing. The end gain is good but the double strike is JUNK. Hits twice for about 75% as much as wild strike alone (650-800 average with glass cannon crits). Wild and lotus both deal average 2k. On triple chop, each axe hit does 4k+ and not just to 1 target, but to 3 or 5. There’s a problem there.

You need to learn the mechanics of the boss fight is all. Working as intended, just spread out.

didn’t mean necros were worthless, just meant they are the class with the least amount of tools for FotM

You also have to jump stupid early. If you aren’t at the peak of your jump when the wave is coming, you will get hit. That would be fine if it was like that all the time but if you jump way early and are half way down, it will still avoid the wave. Doesn’t make sense imo.

Rising Dusk.2408:

You can jump over that one too. I do it pretty regularly. I must admit that sometimes I feel like I get hit when I successfully jumped over it, though, so maybe there is something fishy happening (like in your video).

you can dodge through it too for a more reliable way to avoid the dmg. Problem is so much about this dungeon is bugged. Sometimes if you outrange the attack you’ll still get hit. Sometimes if you tank the hit, you won’t get knocked back. About every 10s you’ll take 6k insta dmg and burning b/c an invisible fire aoe never renders and never goes away.

And on clap bug 2, I feel your pain. I still have nightmares about it.

is the boss fight

is everything else

Not going to lie, this wasn’t fun to do. Dungeon isn’t hard, just very tedius. Hope you enjoy the videos. Also hope you don’t hate the music. Didn’t want to reuse some songs from other vids but the gw2 sound track just didn’t offer enough options for the video. Oh well

Top 3 are guardian, mesmer (as long as they have focus skills reflect), and thief (since they solo half the dungeon which makes life for the team 1000x easier). After that the next tier is ele, warrior, engi. At the very bottom goes ranger and necro. Rangers were higher but they got nerfed HARD in fractals this last patch.

Rika.7249:

They should just add it as a purchasable weapon skin for a new currency only awarded at level 30+.

Then add the rest of the levels beyond 50, and have a green reskinned version for a new currency only awarded at 50+. So the ones carrying the green swords can be recognized as badarses

or same skin but have ascended stats. I personally love the white trail but would be 100% fine with it if there was a different colored trail to go with higher lvl skins. People who want their prestige would get their prestige and people who want their skins would get it though a common sense currency system.

The only way for thieves to have higher single target dps than warriors is to have ambush trap and thieves guild out while the warrior just needs to be swapping from gs to axe. That doesn’t make any sense. Would be hard to change this without massive balance issues but really thief should have higher attack damage on daggers than warrior has on axe autos. Maybe if everything on the 1 bar for single target attacks ignored armor values it would help balance the issue.

When you have a dagger or pistol out and are only hitting 1 target, you are a able to aim for the vulnerable areas like the gaps in the armor, the neck, and the eyes. When you have an axe or gs out, you’re just smashing through the armor and don’t give a crap about where you’re aiming. Reason why things like hs and sword autos don’t count is b/c you’re just trying to smash things, not really aiming anywhere in specific.

If you don’t agree with me then that’s fine but I still feel something should be done to make it so thieves have higher single target dps than what a warrior can do in an aoe.

cool. did you solo a keep? Very least you could do is start autoing a gate and go afk. Who knows, you might be able to get it to half when you come back!

Mark Katzbach.9084:

As was mentioned earlier in this thread, we have stated that we are unable to provide a reply to all suggestions posted in the suggestion subforum.

We do, however, regularly read the suggestions forum and deliver feedback to the design team on a daily basis. Just because you haven’t seen a reply does not mean it’s not being read.

It often feels like it’s not being read… I’m thinking about all the fractal posts out there and not a single one being replied to and not a single one being addressed in patches. Breaks one’s heart.

Thanks that’s what I am using as well. Won’t use 144x but maybe something like 8x or 16x to make it shorter than 30 mins :P

Incurafy.6329:

Lol @ this thread.

Next months QQ agenda: Thieves exist, please delete them.

that is currently this month’s qq… and last month’s… Actually that has been going on for a long time.

When it’s up it’ll be there. Should be done in about an hour. I’ll upload the rest of the dungeon later.

How do you manage to upload it with such a high fast forward rate and still maintain quality video? Every time I’ve tried to have the video at anything above 2.5x it just gets disgustingly lagy and choppy.

Dr Hashbrown.7104:

Legendaries shod stay as they are, if anet adds that extra skill that only legendaries can have, then dungeon groups will search for people with twilight sunrise etc. it’s already bad enough that there are preceded professions where rangers can’t do a single dungeon.

I like the idea of a special emote that can be used to show off your legendary while afking or something. For example the predator will have an emote where the character lies down on his/her belly like a sniper and aim down the scope, and shoots once every 5 seconds or something, the emote would be an emote where you only have to type in once just like /dance

LOVE that idea! Please do it! Only don’t know how it’d affect people with legendary underwaters or multiple legendaries.

I wonder if necro ds 2 got the same treatment. It could do all the same things.

Curo.2483:

Yeah the fixed that, along with just about every other Fractal exploit out there.

Killing mobs that you’re supposed to kill is an exploit? Crazy. I always thought tactics was something you were supposed to use in a fight.

Although I would love for this to happen, I don’t think it should. Would make it necessary to grind for a legendary to win. As it stands, players who don’t have 1000 hours into the game won’t start off with a disadvantage.

http://imgur.com/bf2BiZi
Here’s another one as proof that I wasn’t lying or exaggerating about the bug. This one kitten me off especially since there were 0 aoes around as I had just gotten cornered and barely escaped, broke his enraged (he’s even still stunned from the speech he does), then died to invisible insta kill from the ground. If you’re not going to fix this animation issue at least make it work with revealed. Have the freaking fire trap show its face after it thoroughly messes with your day.

Frenk.5917:

This is the average damage you can get if you’re not glass cannon with 25 bloodlust stacks, 25 might stacks and probably AS.

You probably read a QQ topic and thought thieves do 30k damage with CnD Mug and Backstab.

Have you read a single non-QQ topic about thieves that was written by a non thief? I can count the number of topics like those I’ve read on 1 hand. I might be being pessimistic but it doesn’t change the fact that 99% of people think thieves = terribad and useless in pve. Stupidest class ever, redic op, easiest to play, etc. etc. in WVW. Trash tier in pvp (Kinda true up until last patch, now we’re actually useful!).

So thieves are finally finding a way to be useful in pvp so now everyone complains. Thieves have been trash for months so they got a small buff vs boon heavy classes. Sorry but it was needed. Condi thieves in tpvp would get cleansed so hard that they’d be near useless and power thieves would get tanked and spanked since you’re forced to sit on a point all day or lose. Tank thieves don’t exist b/c every other class can tank better than a thief. Sorry but this buff was needed, just b/c you don’t enjoy fighting a good player of a certain class doesn’t mean other people don’t.

pistol dagger is also very easy to shake off if u have good condi removal. Any class (except engi sorta) has the ability to reduce your dps by about 75% just cause of the way conditions work atm.

I even looked at the bug forum and didn’t see a thing. Thought posting in here would garner more attention as well.

Added new content

Idk if this is ironic or what but I did a 28 yesterday and I got 4x the rares that I did on my 48 but got the exact same daily reward. A good ol hunk of nothing. That makes 5 in a row now with nothing, steak would be longer but I got bagnak ring after another good stretch.

This has happened to me in almost every attempt I’ve had so I had to put up a video showcasing it. There are no aoes on the ground, nothing is hitting you, but you take either 3000+ a hit or 600+ a hit from “fireball”. In my vid you’ll see that I cleanses the burning 3 times, back to back, before going down. Biggest kitten off is that when I went down, I had burning again!

I’m pretty sure this is due to an old “lingering attack” on the ground. It stays there even after the textures go away making it impossible for the player to know that there’s even a threat sitting there on the ground.

http://imgur.com/edit

Another super annoying bug (probably) is that you take multiple hits from the same attack (obv the ground based crap is the worst for it). That pic right there shows the very moment I touched the fire. It hit me 4 times instantly for 10497 total damage. 3 ticks were over 3k and one was over 600. I would understand if the fire did ticks of 600s but 3000s?! And just for touching the outside of an already shot projectile.

Imo the stuff on the ground should do slighly less damage but the punches from the berzerker should do about double the damage. Far to easy for tanky characters to just stand inside the guy and melee him to death.

http://imgur.com/bf2BiZi

Here’s another one as proof that I wasn’t lying or exaggerating about the bug. This one kitten me off especially since there were 0 aoes around as I had just gotten cornered and barely escaped, broke his enraged (he’s even still stunned from the speech he does), then died to invisible insta kill from the ground. If you’re not going to fix this animation issue at least make it work with revealed. Have the freaking fire trap show its face after it thoroughly messes with your day.

A few tips would be when the guy up top brings his sparks in (since that guy will usually have hes/hers in first) bring them along the side instead of along the top. Makes it a lot easier for the guy on the bottom to get theirs in fast.

On the 1st 50% don’t use any cds or initiative that you aren’t 100% certain will be up and ready for when she goes invisible. You want EVERYTHING off cd so you can burst as hard as possible in those first 2s cause you never know just how much time you have. You might have the best spark run ever or it could be junk. All you know is you need to kill her fast.

Only 2 people pull sparks, the other 3 just stay out of the way, stand where simin will un-stealth, and be ready to unload.

Don’t use any ranged weapons. The only class allowed to use a ranged weapon here is thief and that’s only b/c they use all their initiative on the boss with their daggers/they use the bow to blink to the sparks faster. If a ranger is using a bow then they don’t deserve dungeon tokens.

If you have a ranger, make sure they aren’t using tank style pets.

If you have someone that’s condition, get him/her on the tears. Sadly, they can’t do much else.

You don’t need any defensive anythings here. Thieves don’t need shadow refuge (unless they’re using it for the free backstab+initiative recovery), guardians don’t need retreat, rangers don’t need search and rescue, etc.

Since you’re warrior, put your banners down when she goes stealth. Don’t waste them cast times when you don’t need to. Same deal with guardian using might stacks on staff. Ele can precast churning earth and meteor shower, thieves can whip out their thieve guild, etc. etc.