Guild Wars 2

Hexin.5603:

Istaf.1953:

Wintuo.1356:

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Pfft. RE are the track stars of TC. Every encounter I’ve had with RE this week is them turning around and running into a keep with siege. I assume they’re still kitten about the GvG they lost to a PvE guild last week.

… Me a caveman. Me lives in fort and has sore hand from chest thumping. Urggg… RE is blah blah blah, I haz a cookie for forum warrior win please Mag’s.

Rawr look at me type my ego onto interwebs to make me feel special. …

lololololol … FA always lives up to there names. Hey nerds, look out the big bad ugly lonely jocks got an itch, look out (don’t let him touch you, it could be contagious)

I’m confused. Are you using “nerds” as a pejorative here? What separates nerds from jocks? Is it the ability to distinguish “there” from “their”? Am I nerd for asking that? Does that mean you’re a jock? Why do you want to touch me? Why are you calling yourself an ugly lonely jock?

Istaf.1953:

I assume they’re still kitten about the GvG they lost to a PvE guild last week.

What’d I miss?

Jayne.9251:

Dear Mags,

We took SM. In EU prime time.

Love,

Me

I got super confused for a minute because there are two Jaynes in this thread now

tsubus.8761:

Link to video of GvG would be pretty good proof

Yes, but this basically creates a requirement that all GvGs must be recorded now, or someone will call shenanigans (good time to start attaching them to matches on the website, I guess). Most are probably already recorded, but people should be made aware of such a policy change.

More than a little odd, I’d say. Especially since the guild server locations were updated, but none of them to EU servers. It’s gonna be pretty hard to definitively prove that those GvGs didn’t happen.

WvW, sending data at 100Mbps since 2012

Hickeroar.9734:

Burl.9567:

Hickeroar.9734:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

That Hip Squad guild “was” on JQ according to gw2gvg until like 2 days ago. Same for VOID.
As someone who plays every night, and only in WvW, never saw any of them.

I’m on TC, so I’ll keep an eye out for them this week. I have a feeling it’s just BS though.

ESOL is the only guild that is legit in all of that. They are the only one that won all the matches between them all as well. None of those guilds are on SoR or any other server that I have seen.

Yeah, just interested in more “proof” before someone starts pointing fingers at ESOL or something. :P

Edit: ESOL is old [RE] “Red Essence” right? Or am I remembering wrong?

And EMP, yes. Rawnoodles (apparently Legendary Noodles, now) proudly displays all of the elite guilds he’s founded in his signature.

ParaldaWind.4523:

I just invited all of the guild reps of HiK/HP/VOID to my guild to check their servers.

HiK guy, yinso.7542, was from Gunnar’s Hold, not JQ.
HP guy, DJFre.3510, was from Seafarer’s Rest, not FA.
VOID guy, djsmokes.3890, was from Desolation, not SoR.

I’ve played against FA plenty of times, and JQ once, and I’ve never heard of any of these guilds. They also have only GvG’d each other and ESOL. Pretty sure Rawnoodles is gaming the system.

lol’d

Good ol Rawnoodles

NICKEZ.3671:

I don’t think TC has ever learned anything valuable from FA, or Mag. :scoff:
It’s ironic to see you guys crying about playing numbers when so often FA/Mag throw a full queues worth of zerg blob at any given situation; quit being hypocritical. It seems like you guys on here are just making excuses for losing every time to TC. Don’t get me wrong, there are a few guilds among you that are respectable.

That’s nice troll bait, but when we still had GvG numbers, we never lost a GvG to a TC guild. I like to think we taught them a little bit about open field and partly contributed to EP’s drive to try out new things instead of sticking to the pure hammer boring meta, but I could be wrong. Also, I can’t believe people still think winning/losing is determined by anything but coverage. You’re probably like that JQ guy who thinks Maguuma could beat their SEA zerg “if only we had skills/used combo fields”.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

saiyr.3071:

First time I’ve ever really seen TC stack into 3 separate guild zergs. FA, on the other hand… Maybe they learned it from you!

Really. I see it quite a lot.

I think I’m gonna springboard off into a rant here that may have nothing to do with anything.

TC is the only server that runs 3-4 commanders on EB on reset. Every other server blobs. I would like to see anyone even try to dispute that, before I call them Jim McJim

CERN, EP are two fantastic guild that purposely run without extra numbers. RE is normally split in half for the same reason.

I understand the numbers are horribly unfair, and at times the blob will form because there simply aren’t enough objectives to enemies left to split the TC forces, but I wish everyone would understand people are at least trying.

Feel free to post ‘jimmies rustled’ etc. T1.5 is a pain but all this whine is making me sad.

P.S. There is always gvg

I think you misread my horrible English. What I meant was FA does it a lot, so we’re on the same page there.

Congrats on having 3-4 commander on EB on reset. Unfortunately Maguuma guilds generally don’t place much emphasis on EB, so you shouldn’t be surprised that it’s a giant pub blob led by Jerk Jerk or someone else. I like CERN and EP but I’ve seen them with a ton of nuthuggers before, just like any other guild including ours. Complaining about map blobs is pretty old and boring to me anyway, if people wish to set themselves up for lots of 1111 skill lag, then go for it. Funnest way to play the game ever.

First time I’ve ever really seen TC stack into 3 separate guild zergs. FA, on the other hand… Maybe they learned it from you!

Atrophied.8725:

saiyr.3071:

Atrophied.8725:

Yeah, I’d like to see the footage of you wiping what looked to be ~2.5 times your numbers.

Shucks, wish I had recorded last night. RoT’s thingy in west keep sure was baffling. There were around 2x our numbers I’d guess and they still kept running every which way, and a lot of TC died because I guess their commander ordered them to stack on the docks while grenades rained down on them. Very loyal soldiers, I guess.

Hmm. Seeing as RoT had, at most, 23 members online and in WvW, that’s amusing to read. We were running with 15-18 most of the night.

My guild had like one full party and then we had some pubs with us. I guess wiping to that is pretty amusing.

Sovereign.1093:

i wish there was this system. you gvg people 15v15 and then if you win or lose the price would be a camp/tower/keep/smc. would be fun. ahaha

We tried to do that with 1v1 awhile back (one from PYRO one from RE) but they declined. It was even our keep, I think.

Atrophied.8725:

Yeah, I’d like to see the footage of you wiping what looked to be ~2.5 times your numbers.

Shucks, wish I had recorded last night. RoT’s thingy in west keep sure was baffling. There were around 2x our numbers I’d guess and they still kept running every which way, and a lot of TC died because I guess their commander ordered them to stack on the docks while grenades rained down on them. Very loyal soldiers, I guess.

JudgeD.5673:

I’m thinking this is what Boonprot is tired of. This was taken in EB, so to be expected perhaps.

I wouldn’t really draw analogies to a pubbie zerg and combined, organized guild blobs.

Jereme.1840:

saiyr.3071:

Jereme.1840:

Boonprot.6274:

CAA.9653:

Did [Ark] just transfer?

We came from Ferguson’s Crossing to Maguuma about a week ago.

They didn’t come from Ferguson’s. it’s a mix of ME,Pyro,D]erp. Had a fun time with you guys tonight. when you catch me! You melt me. I liked the NN fight around an hour or so ago was fun. Not trolling anyone some good fights, and more fun than I’ve had in awhile.

Did you join Rethesis?

No I didn’t join RE why would I? no offence to RE though

I dunno

Jereme.1840:

Boonprot.6274:

CAA.9653:

Did [Ark] just transfer?

We came from Ferguson’s Crossing to Maguuma about a week ago.

They didn’t come from Ferguson’s. it’s a mix of ME,Pyro,D]erp. Had a fun time with you guys tonight. when you catch me! You melt me. I liked the NN fight around an hour or so ago was fun. Not trolling anyone some good fights, and more fun than I’ve had in awhile.

Did you join Rethesis?

Yep, they moved to FA, the server of superior guilds.

CAA.9653:

eithinan.9841:

CAA.9653:

saiyr.3071:

Said while standing next to RET and RAM zergs

It’s true. RET and RAM carry the server. HOPE is a PvE guild just testing out the WvW waters. Especially RAM, they roll 60 deep every night. RET has at least 50 in their zerg. There are other guilds in FA like APS and SIC among others, but all talent-less. You should challenge all of them to a 15v15 or 20v20 GvG. Easy bags.

ZEEEEEEEEEEERRRGGGGGGG

I like how a PvE guild is calling out all the other guilds on FA for being talent-less. Isn’t this Mags job?

They say children begin to understand sarcasm between the ages of 10 to 12. Don’t worry buddy, you’ll get there.

P.S. Maguuma really brings out the troll in me.

Pretty sure he was willfully ignoring the sarcasm to make a zinger at Maguuma

Jayne.8749:

Sorry for taking all the keeps, everyone!

I am disappoint that you didn’t come to Maguuma oh what you’re not the real Jayne nevermind!!

CAA.9653:

saiyr.3071:

Said while standing next to RET and RAM zergs

It’s true. RET and RAM carry the server. HOPE is a PvE guild just testing out the WvW waters. Especially RAM, they roll 60 deep every night. RET has at least 50 in their zerg. There are other guilds in FA like APS and SIC among others, but all talent-less. You should challenge all of them to a 15v15 or 20v20 GvG. Easy bags.

ZEEEEEEEEEEERRRGGGGGGG

I said nothing about being talentless, just about my anecdotal experience with HOPE being with other groups quite frequently. It’s not uncommon to see three separate guild stacks from FA to take out one group, it happened to D|ERP quite some time ago. Alas, D|ERP went into cardiac arrest and is still recovering, or we would very happily GvG. I’m sure Ark would be happy to GvG any one of those guilds, though.

The BFG.4160:

It looks to me like this ARK guild seriously likes riding the back of AGG. prove yourselves, you tiny, furry kittens

Said while standing next to RET and RAM zergs

Heeb.3178:

Odies.8017:

Boonprot.6274:

Could FA and TC please un-blob a bit? Thanks. Our 20-man is finding it difficult to find a halfway decent engagement when everyone is rolling 60+ deep.

How about working on not complaining about numbers and just do your job!

FYI we have a raid night tomorrow whisper this account and I’ll let you know which BL we are on.

Who said I was complaining? I said we had good fights and that it was just unfortunate, but then we ROPED up and your zerg started running away

Context is key

Chaba.5410:

saiyr.3071:

Chaba.5410:

saiyr.3071:

To the FA outside your spawn in TC BL just now (NERF, BURN, others), those were some really fun fights. More fun that I’ve had in probably a few weeks, so thanks!

Thanks! Hope we can get more of that this week. /cheer

Ooh, so that was you wearing the NERF tag. I think that’s the first time I’ve seen you and known it. Are you mostly the only NERF running around now? I don’t think I saw others last night.

As one of the guild leaders, I’m thanking on behalf of NERF. TBH IDK. I’m Sylvari with tricorn hat and flammenwerfer. NERF was mostly on FABL then later I switched to TCBL, but I repped SIC by that time. We did have some fun fights near our spawn. Kagusaki, the giant orange charr with the flamethrower, was with us repping NERF on TCBL. It was probably him.

Oh, ok. I’m not good on details, but I think I remember a flamethrower. I definitely remember lots of magnets and pry bars, for sure :P If you remember seeing 5-6 D|ERP and some pubbies thrown in the mix, that was us. I was the asura bear guardian.

Lenador.1436:

……just popping in T.T boring forum match up for DB this week

You’re only winning by 3k, get back to work

TC has mastered the art of waiting outside inner garrison and bannering a million times

To the FA outside your spawn in TC BL just now (NERF, BURN, others), those were some really fun fights. More fun that I’ve had in probably a few weeks, so thanks!

First death of the night and it’s because I can’t move even though I have no immobilized. RIP

dreztina.4820:

Throwing a +1 for the Saiyr More Official post.

I knew you loved me <3

Official, you say

RIP us. May the minions be with you, always

Jayne.9251:

Dear Mags,

I convinced Piken to do it. We are trying it this week (cue surprise zerg).

I’ll try to take some pix.

Love,

Me

wut?

look at the screenshot more carefully

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I have no idea what any of you guys said but congrats on exceeding 1000 posts in one week! I don’t think I’ve ever seen a match up thread do that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/8-2-Fort-Aspenwood-Jade-Quarry-Maguuma/first

A better thread from better days

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Lower tiers would be better to avoid queues and skill lag. If there was a large enough zerg on the bl, it affects gvgs on the windmill.

I agree with Hickeroar that it would be too difficult to get most GvG guilds to agree to transfer. Most guilds are pretty entrenched in their current server and would want WvW like normal as well.

I rarely see skill lag or queues affect GvG on Maguuma And yeah, we will never see a complete convergence anywhere. But if a guild is looking to transfer for decent GvG/WvW, IMO T3-4 are good choices.

I like this thread more than ours. How sad.

tsubus.8761:

Suggestion for gw2gvg.com: hide from rankings guilds that have been inactive for over 1-2 months. It’s pointless to have in the rankings guild that are not currently playing.

Rankings will be displayed per month in the new design.

Caliban.3176:

Solution for everything:

Take all the WvW guilds and GvG guilds and spread them out across about 6 EU servers. You will always have people to play, you will be able to GvG and you’ll have fun.

Just don’t bring that silly ppt game with you.

I wonder how avoidable that is. I personally agree with the theory that coverage creates PPT meta. And while a lot of us like to GvG, a lot of us also play WvW “normally” still, as well.

Hickeroar.9734:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Hickeroar.9734:

I think most guilds already have no intention at all of going THAT direction for more GvGs. t2/t3 seems to be something of a sweet spot at the moment. Would love to fight some guilds from the lower tiers though.

To totally go Paxa on you guys…what about creating a gvg tier? I would suggest the lower tiers but I have the feeling that any gvg guild transfers would immediately shove the server up a few ranks. I’m opposed to T1 because of queues and trolling though it is the most stable tier.

I doubt you could get significant buy-in for a GvG tier from the guilds. That’s a massive resource-sink.

I would love the bottom 6 servers to be designated the GvG tier, though. That’d be sweet.

Right now T2-3 is a prime spot for GvG in NA, not lower tiers. I think this is a fine spot to be in because this is the area where people start to have real coverage, and you’ll have a lot of trouble breaking past T3 without it. Though I guess the other issue is that the other T3 servers do have night coverage (SoS and CD, though I heard CD lost even more recently?)

GuardianOMS.8067:

FA/JQ/Mag reached 29, just sayin’

And we didn’t even have to make it a goal~

warsock.7830:

He challenged me on Gw2 GvG, I countered with 60v60 in the year 2020. rB is making a GvG team. When it is ready we will GvG. Stop crying big babies.

My 80v80 comment wasn’t about you, I was just making fun of T1

TheJewpacabro.2907:

Saiyr, was it you who said NA GVG rukitten v80 OR GTFO? I think it was, haha. then the usurper mentioned rB 60v60, rofl.

Ya that was me.

I already posted this in the main thread, but I thought I’d post again. Join us on quakenet.org #gw2gvg if you’d like to chat about GvG! Twitch.tv chat sucks, IRC is superior! If you don’t know what IRC is but still want to chat, just visit this URL: http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=gw2gvg

TheJewpacabro.2907:

Boonprot.6274:

TheJewpacabro.2907:

saiyr’s comments in the GvG livestream chat made me sad. We aren’t making the thread boring, we just don’t care.

I said “scnd 4-1!!!!!” as a prediction and half the stream kitten themselves because of spoilers. Tbh I transferred to EU quickly to watch the GvG.

Boon, that was funny as kitten though. VII wasn’t half bad, but their backline kept getting wrecked by the support DPS on Scnd.
Also, Sacrx commentary was priceless, all the reddit nerbs there were hating like nobodies buisness.

Oh, were they redditors? I assumed it was T1 NAers that were saying “20v20 no skill (now let me get back to 80v80)” :P

TheJewpacabro.2907:

saiyr’s comments in the GvG livestream chat made me sad. We aren’t making the thread boring, we just don’t care.

the two aren’t mutually exclusive

We just broke 1000 viewers on the stream

ParaldaWind.4523:

x per fection x.2096:

Lenador.1436:

x per fection x.2096:

You give to many

http://youtu.be/qDFc95Lgvuo

As far as the Agg/Ark combo if you wouldn’t run in 50 man groups then it wouldn’t happen, both of us prefer to run on our own. I know there was a DB commander last night who said the fact that DB ended up with a Q’d zerg in a giant ball was a big foolish and that he wished it didn’t always end like that.

If you have premade guilds that are names of your combined guilds you really can’t say anything when we team up.

we go back to the voltron principle how bout we consider the human centipede instead. And, just in my opinion, queued maps of rally bots are in your favor

Name more than 1 DB guild that could beat a full Q of rally bots with 23/25

Other than NS there isn’t one that would even come close.

I disagree. TG, EAT, and qT could all at least come close. There are a lot of good guilds on Dragonbrand.

But EAT is just EA + TG, and we all know EA “specialized in keep upgrading”.

Evalana.5480:

Lenador.1436:

x per fection x.2096:

Lenador.1436:

x per fection x.2096:

You give to many

http://youtu.be/qDFc95Lgvuo

As far as the Agg/Ark combo if you wouldn’t run in 50 man groups then it wouldn’t happen, both of us prefer to run on our own. I know there was a DB commander last night who said the fact that DB ended up with a Q’d zerg in a giant ball was a big foolish and that he wished it didn’t always end like that.

If you have premade guilds that are names of your combined guilds you really can’t say anything when we team up.

we go back to the voltron principle how bout we consider the human centipede instead. And, just in my opinion, queued maps of rally bots are in your favor

Name more than 1 DB guild that could beat a full Q of rally bots with 23/25

Other than NS there isn’t one that would even come close.

Well i assumed Mag had more skill…..i was wrong

Why are you so cranky?

Must have gotten zerg dogged

http://i.imgur.com/gD0zZvL.jpg

Look at this silly BP commander, doesn’t know how to play with the big boys. Also is too afraid of my answer so already has me blocked, wut wut

covenn.7165:

Yeah we won’t be transferring We have way too much invested in SoR to do so.

Sincerely good luck in getting GvG to take off in T1.

In other news, while watching the Scnd vs GoW match and talking to others, I thought it might be nice to have an IRC channel for the GvG scene where we can chat in real time. Twitch chat is terrible and non-persistent. If it doesn’t catch on, no big deal, but if you’re interested, check out quakenet.org #gw2gvg. If you don’t know what IRC is and still want to chat, just visit this link: http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=gw2gvg

MRA.4758:

saiyr.3071:

nor is O(n^n) considered to be exponential time.

Well, this depends on your precise definition of exponential time. You are correct that n^n is not O(exp(n)), but it is O(exp(poly(n))). And the class “EXPTIME”:
E is actually defined as the latter one.

~MRA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_complexity#Table_of_common_time_complexities

Nope.

Edit: Oh nevermind, you’re right, “exponential time” is ambiguous. E is not defined as the latter, though. And also in terms of big O, EXPTIME is never used as the definition.

Draygo.9473:

Basically

For each player
  otherplayer = player->get_visableplayers()
  For each otherplayer
     otherplayer->sendupdate(player)
  endfor
endfor

Also remember for every action you as a player take, all opponents in visible range need to be updated with the action you took, and your current location. If you cast a spell at a location, everyone else needs to know you cast that spell at a location.

There is pretty much no way around the O(n^(n-1)) problem here besides putting a limit on the n-1 via culling.

A nested loop does not make O(n^n), nor is O(n^n) considered to be exponential time.

Time to leave T1!

This was already mentioned in previous threads