Guild Wars 2

Those are 2 sets with 3 different class types; you cant count single armor type as full set, this is just a part of full set which comes with 3 different classes

Every time something is datamined arena net says to never take it as a promise of upcoming content. So I don’t see why should I trust that we’re getting any armor sets with hot? They released no info about it and they are always telling us not to trust dataminers.

And about old armors argument. When they released wardrobe they changed how the transmutation works and together with this they introduced outfits. After that the only things we get are outfits. I wouldnt be mad if those were actually costumes like cook or pirate but the last one is freakin heavy armor skin turned into pijama because they didnt want to put minimal effort and make it an armor skin. Together with other god armors (of different classes) those could have been amazing legendary sets. but no, cash is all that matters.

No, I’m not even mad. I am disappointed with this company. My wallet is closed for you for almost a year now and more and more it seems I won’t be buying hot. I just don’t want to support this company anymore.

Last year everything was about china. This year everything is about hot. How many excuses are you going to make for them? Nest year is going to be everything about LS3?

They added one armor set* as a game reward and many useless outfits in gemstore.
I understand the revenue argument. I don’t understand releasing cheap, lazy product.

*carapace is just 1 set with 3 armor classes, nothing amazing and luminescent is just a reskin so can’t take it as serious content

Riku.4821:

But there was costumes like that in gw1.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Agent_of_Balthazar
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Grenth_Costume
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dragonguard

I for one am happy my Guardian Norn can wear a cloth based outfit.
Or my Mesmer Charr can wear an Armor Imperial armor set.

but this game isn’t guild wars, if it was I want capes, more instances and build templates today

So, this being said, I know about original GW outfits. The difference is there were profession bound armor sets, now we have 3 armor classes and Balthazar outfit is a perfect example of heavy armor desing. It’s poor decision to make it an outfit. Dunno if it’s lazy or oversight. I just don’t want to pay for it or any other outfit. They have no value to me.

Riku.4821:

I like the outfits, gw2 isnt the first time they were added, there were costumes in gw1.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Costume.

The way I think about this most recent one is, if another race is wearing it they are a believer of Balthazar.

This is the point, costumes are ok. Like cook or pirate – those are costumes. but when they release a full plate armor and make it an outfit, a little part dies inside of me. This is a waste of amazing design.

kokiman.2364:

Well the best way of pointing it out is by not buying stuff from the gemstore.

This is what I am doing exactly. I used to spend real money regularly on gems for additional services and some skins. but now, after buying every armor set (not armor trash piece) my wallet stays closed waiting for better items. Or game.

EKAN.4051:

What bothers me is that you create plate apperiance armor that all classes can wear.

why should they care, ppl already supportem them with easy money, wise customer isn’t that easily cheated but there’s not many wise customers, especially in this game

turn off aero
try playing in fullscreen especially on W7, system UI is resource heavy

you can wear outfits without head part mr knapper

I’m disappointed (again) that this great skin is wasted for lazy outfit. And for clipping issues, no, outfits are not without clipping issues.

If this was an armor I would buy it with my credit card at least 5 times for me and my friends accounts.

Can’t wait for all those blackwing/spinal balthazar norns/charrs running around in LA, everyone looking exactly the same.

Copy-paste wars 2. Enjoy da content

If only it was an armor, what a waste of great design.

The only answer is: because lazy.

slamfunction.7462:

rapthorne.7345:

To keep everyone happy, they should release these as both skins and costumes, so the people like me who like wearing things not suited to their armour class can be happy and so can the mix and matchers

I think this is the most brilliant idea on these forums to date.

brilliant and fair idea because Iboth outfit and armor lovers would be satisfied

Scoobaniec.9561:

segman.3560:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Beldin.5498:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Question to people that complains about outfits cus they cant mix n match – what race are you playing?

Mainly Norn and Human .. and some Asura.

Yeah i thought so.. I doubt that anyone who complains about lack of mix n match playing charr and imo thats the olny way for us to get something “decent”. If they wasnt making profits from outfits i doubt they would continue releasing them so majority must like them for what they are.

Also i personally prefer to see outfits in gemstore and earn actual armor pieces in game. Thats how it should be done in my opinion, right now they working on expansion so its obvious that they focus on outfits now as they are easier to make. Im sure new skins coming with HoT but people have no patience really.

Making assumptions because of one post makes you look silly.

I play every race and every class and I hate outfits. This is lazy design because they dont have to care about pieces.

No..i already knew the answer cause if you go over “post olny if you armor is mix n match” thread theres load of human/norn, a bit of sylvari, some asura and few charrs. Who looks silly now at this point?

And while it might looks lazy i completely understand them – they could allow us to wear outfits in pieces but people like you will start spamming forum about fixing their clipping/visual glitchs issues asap cus they “payed” (gold>gem) for it.

As for carapace set its not hard to get it now thanks to vine. Unless youre super casual you can get 1 piece/day without any problem. Also harder to obtain x skin = more prestige. We all know what happened when they eleased black wing and everyone and their mom been running with one.

if they can create outfits with removable parts and you will like it on charr plz tell me mr silly why cant they put effort on armor pieces for charr, hmmm?

Funset.7893:

Why do you people do not like the outfits?
They are better, cheaper and more convenient way to “dress up” your character.
Also you can use them basically for free while lvling

How are they better? In which criteria? Because the feel of “good” and “bad” is not mathematically measurable (lol is it a word?).

I personally hate outfits for 0 personalisation value. And the case of balth will be exactly the same as it is with wings. Everyone is going to wear them AND LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.

And if they are able to create outfits that fit charr its exactly possible for them to put an effort and make armor skins for charr look the same.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Beldin.5498:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Question to people that complains about outfits cus they cant mix n match – what race are you playing?

Mainly Norn and Human .. and some Asura.

Yeah i thought so.. I doubt that anyone who complains about lack of mix n match playing charr and imo thats the olny way for us to get something “decent”. If they wasnt making profits from outfits i doubt they would continue releasing them so majority must like them for what they are.

Also i personally prefer to see outfits in gemstore and earn actual armor pieces in game. Thats how it should be done in my opinion, right now they working on expansion so its obvious that they focus on outfits now as they are easier to make. Im sure new skins coming with HoT but people have no patience really.

Making assumptions because of one post makes you look silly.

I play every race and every class and I hate outfits. This is lazy design because they dont have to care about pieces.

it is customers right to complain, point out mistakes or demand a refund for product he’s disappointed with and this is what’s happening with SAB thread now – disappointed ppl complaining to arena net about another year without very popular and demanded part of the game; hell, SAB was for many selling point of GW2, I literally saw people on different sites and forums talking about this one part fo the game;

Anyway, I know why SAB is gone for so long and again it would be much better if arena net comes here and tell us the truth instead of making excuses or avoiding discussion.

What is terrible it’s players fighting against each other instead of supporting their claims. This is the thread for ppl that want to support our complains and demands of SAB’s return Why there are ppl spreading misinformation, lies and devaluating other ppl, trying to make them feel unimportant is beyond me. This is serious case and should be resolved by moderator.

For supporting this company for almost 3 years this is our right to complain. Especially they can easily get revenue from SAB. Oh I forgot, they are trying to do this with obnoxious BLC minis but without giving us SAB to play.

MHCerberus.1385:

Guys, maybe I am pointing out the obvious here. SAB comes around in April usually and right before they bring it out they release minis and small hints. You guys should go to the page that introduces the flying quaggan mail service and scroll all the way down and read. That is all.

well mr clever man, first of all you’re pointing out nothing because we know about sab minis in BLC and I personally consider it a horrible joke from arena net

second, sab was opened 2 times only, once in april, second in september so plz tell me how did you get you “obvious” and “usual” date for sab to be april?

I really want to know what’s the reasoning behind your post and why are you spreading misinformation, especially you didnt care to read our posts but came here lecturing us about minis we already discussed accusing us of not reading news.

lordkrall.7241:

The problem right now is that if they do release it now, it will just look like they buckled under all the rage. Which basically makes it look like if someone rages enough, ArenaNet will add it in.

Which might very well open the floodgates with people raging about Mounts, Duels, Raids, Trinity, VIP and so on.

If you don’t care about your content as a customer why do you care to come here and spread misinformation and devaluate others opinions? Or you’re not a customer but somehow you didn’t get a red mark for your posts. Your activity on these forums is highly suspicious. You don’t compliment arena net or a game, you just attack personally other posters for stating their opinions and try to make them look bad or unimportant.

it’s an outfit, looks like no money from me again
with this attitude from designers I’m considering if it is worth buying expansion especially it’s quite obvious now we will get a LS quality with some features

I know why SAB is not released. What I can’t understand is why noone from arena net is able to come here and tell us. This honest information would be much better than hiding behind “when it’s time” excuse. There is nothing wrong in making mistakes.

Keep your expectations low. Just a friendly advice.

I don’t expect anything good from arena net for a year now and I am not disappointed anymore. Or excited in that matter. They’re just another company making their customers leave front door. We can live without their content. Can they live without our money?

SAB is one of things I’m waiting long enough not to expect it to happen anymore.
Just like build templates.

But hey, charr footprints are fixed. Yay….

one of devs said no sab this april fools, it was ingame chat information in rata sum

putting sab miniatures in blc without sab reopening is a slap to the face

learn to play issue, seems to me

I’m an atheist too and this is serious bussiness. I dare to say that religious groups are making special game departments to cover mmos and other online games to spread misinformation about imaginary entities.

Words like god, allah or other weird names should be covered by profanity filter.

Players trying to spread their religion views on public chat should be banned for breaking game rules. This is not a place for religious or political agitation.

I’m terrified how common is talking about gods these days with 0 awareness of ppl that don’t believe such things. I hope this case will be taken care of and we will see no more agitation on public chat. The possibility of mental breakdown is very serious in this case.

Looks like gem custom exchange drama hitting again from different angle.

I’m wondering why these ideas are geeting a green light. It’s like DRM, legit players will be punished the most.

I hope it’s april fools, because if not I will punish anet with my wallet closed tight for the incompetence in executing such a ridiculous idea.

quoting ppl from reddit
“this is how ppl get disappointed” all by themselves

This game is not a trinity mmo. Stop thinking with tank/heal/dps cattegories.
Everyone can heal himself. AoE heals are little additions but they are weak and scale bad with healing power. What’s more even if you buff healing power why would I need a healer if I can heal myself with skill 6?

Dps/Support/Control is GW2’s soft trinity. It doesn’t mean you have to spec in any of them to achieve your goal but you can use skills and traits allowing you to execute those roles even with one character.

Control is fulfilled with mob positioning, both with skills and terrain adventages. You deal with a boss interrupting his strongest attack. You avoid his other attacks with dodge. This is how you control your environment.

Support is fulfilled with reflects, cleanses, boons. When boss hits you with one-shot skill your dedicated healer is useless. However aware guardian activating aegis can save whole party. This is supporting in GW2.

DPS is obvious. You can’t defeat a boss outhealing him or tanking his dps only. The main difference to other mmos is that in GW2 you’re supposed to do many other things in addition to dps if you want to success. For me this is much more interesting than hitting boss for 5 mins while healer casts his macroed combos.

What you’re whining about is that ppl use zerker gear. This is a dps gear but it’s also the most punishing gear. In most boss fights there’s no second chance if you fail to dodge. But the zerk meta wasnt there at the beginning. Do you know why ppl play for efficiency now? Because for almost 3 years now we’re replaying the same dungeons over and over again. We LEARNED them. The gear is mostly an indicator of the level of player’s understanding of the game. We know the game better so we play more risky.

You can play in soldier gear or knight gear but for dungeons your traits and skills would be the same. Conditions is another thing, but conditions is dps too. If they remove condi cap with HoT it’s possible we’ll see some condi spec builds in pve. However it’s still dps only in your mindset.

About LFG. I don’t know why some ppl are so entitled to getting spot in every party. When ppl advertise their LFG they’re mostly writing their demands. If you join them without fulfilling their demands it’s your fault, because you’re destroying their fun. It’s their right to play with ppl they are posting for. This is why I said earlier – create your own LFG. If a jerk comes in, kick him. You set the rules of your party when posting LFG message but you’re also expected to fulfill req of other ppl LFGs if you join them.

Conclusion – this game is designed different to standard dps/heal/tank mindset. If you chose to buy it, learn it and play by rules. Find ppl with similar mindset to yours and have fun. When you meet a person goind full zerk and you want to go full trinity team comp just dont play with each other. What’s the problem?

you cant be a tank both in gw1 and gw2 because you have no control over mob aggro;

- forcing roles in party is going to limit, not extend players options;
- gear is not a build;
- you are not forced to play with zerk speedrunners, if you do so its your choice;
- make your own lfg;
- there are many trinity games, try them if you want to experience build/group limitations;
- learn to play;

is there anything I forgot? there should be a pin-up on forums for trinity whiners with all the answers in one place so we dont need to answer them all the time

btw you’re talking about dungeons not general pve; go open world, the amount of 111111111 versatility is amazing and you can kill dragons with any gear there

April Fools came early thie year

I got 4 precursors in one month once in MF and not a single one ever more.

Outside of gambling MF can be used for creating items. e.g. Infinite Light sword or Volcanus gs can only be created in MF.

Why do you want to punish ppl instead of making a reward system actually rewarding for participation? Leechers are an effect of a problem. Bad reward distribution design is the cause. Running around and spreading bans or forcing disconnections isnt a solution to anything.

It’s open world, not pvp. When I’m playing open world content I’m getting random event pop ups with rewards and I cant even remember I was doing any event.

So yeah, can’t wait for new threads like this after map reward feature is introduced.

We will see bobblehead laboratory in gem store. Nothing more.

If they do this, how would outfits be different to armor skins?

Which part of shadow’s fight is impressive or unique?

They don’t care about dungeons why should they care about ppl DCing in dungeons?

Because you transmuted old skins I don’t know why it’s aproblem. You’ve lost them anyway. So now you want them to be put into your wardrobe because why exactly?

When wardrobe was introduced it was said in the introduction post that we’ll get the current skin and skin attached before the transmutation because this is how the skins are “remembered” on and item.

The account rollback works like Windows restore point. You choose a point in time and account is rolled back to that moment in time. So when you roll back your account it doesn’t check the chain of changes that happened on your account but it’s restoring account situation at fixed moment in time. I don’t understand why should they create a whole code segment to restore skins, especially at this point.

kokiman.2364:

Nova.8021:

Yeah, why can’t we use the individual pieces? What a waste. Maybe it’s more effort to make the pieces separate but ultimately they make more money in the end.

How do you know that? Do you have access to the sales figures? And no, 20 people on the forums saying " I won’t but it because it’s an outfit" don’t count.

He goes with a very simple logic – you need to buy outfit once. But if you want to buy every armor set you need to buy 3 versions – heavy medium and light. What’s more, with armors you need transmutation charges for additional usage of skins. With more sources of income you are more likely to get better income.

There is no way we can check anything about their decision proces to make outfits. For some people this is wasted opportunity, lazy design and/or waste of income potential. Just because you try to downvote this point of view, it doesn’t make it impossible immidiately. I strongly believe amor sets devided into 3 weights together with transmutation charges can be more profitable.

And I believe there’s much more ppl disappointed about outfits but not everyone joins forums discussion.

Oh and last one thing. People say outfits must be selling better because they’re still making them. It’s not like corporations work. They made a plan to release outfits for a said amount of time and only after then they’ll check the income and compare it to armor sales. They don’t make decisions and release them over night. This is why I think voicing disappointment is important. When time of income review comes they’ll look at the raw data associated with forums suport and make decision which way to go.

This or I am being naive and all is vain.

Marge.4035:

CETheLucid.3964:

Please keep making more outfits. They’re awesome. Armors would be nice too, though. Thank you!

Remember that there are armour sets datamined, just waiting for polishing up and release.

:)

There is also a polearm datamined 2 years ago. Still waiting.

Panites.6798:

Tenrai Senshi.2017:

I really wish they’d release this as armor and not as outfits. I’d love to use parts and mix them into existing sets, but outfits as they are now, are just really boring. All you get is hundreds of players with the exact same look, because none of them can customize that look in any meaningful way.

I don’t know who thought this was a good idea, but it isn’t.

Clipping.

This is why they are paid for their job, to fix such issues. GW2 is not a school project.

Oh paid bots became active again

I hate outfits and I’m going to voice my opinion about this lazy cash grab in every related thread. This is good there are many people sharing my idea. Maybe, just maybe they still care about how people feel when they put trash on gemstore.

I am against outfits because they limit my choice, they have no value to me when bajillion of clones stand next to me in Lion’s Arch or other city. Some say this is “a business” choice. This is a company, everything thay do is the business choice even if it’s bad (like removing gem custom exchange last time). Maybe we should make some magazines write negative articles about those lazy outfits? They react with the speed of light when PR is in danger.

Last but not least, this is an armor heavily connected to the game lore. This is god’s armor! This should be a big in-game reward, dunno human t4 cultural? First legendary set? But no, we get a beautiful texture with lost potential because it’s a lazy outfit. It doesn’t even make sense to other races to wear it >_>

It’s good to see all disappointed customers uniting in this threads about outfits. Let them hear us.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

4) There’s no way to profit physically from this scenario.

It’s a virtual game. Your problems aren’t physical too so why should anyone care?

Report, block and forget. No need to spam forums with redundant topics that are going to be closed anyway.

You should follow this instruction:

1) Report him.
2) Stop being oversensitive.
3) ???
4) Profit.

Balthazar texture is an outfit not armor, so it’s a waste of time and money for me. I don’t care if it’s gemstore, since it’s outfit I won’t be getting it even if they put it as an in-game reward.

But I agree this would be a very cool legendary armor or 4th set of human cultural armor. But you can’t monetize content outside of gem store and this is the only reason why we have outfits.

Hi there,

I wanted to say I hate outfits and I hope we will see more gemstore armor sets soon. If not, well no money from me. Outfits idea is a lazy cash grab and I don’t suport lazy marketing. Make an effort, make more armors.

Toodles.

timmyf.1490:

I’m not on EU, but if you guys aren’t running eles in dungeons over there, you’re missing out.

Plz don’t make assumptions about EU players because of Mirta’s misinformation.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

segman.3560:

My wallet is big enough. Why you don’t want my money anet? C’mon, work for it. Make armors not outfits.

They’ll get my money, so they won’t need yours.

Why not both?

Jski.6180:

To be dissatisfied customer you would have to be a customer in the first places so you must buy the item then find out its an outfit then your a dissatisfied customer of these outfits alone. If the game never added in any type of armor skins etc.. after you bought it then that too your dissatisfied customer but that simply not true. Not every thing will be to your like and what you like will not always be liked by others.

I have bought all gem store armors and I can’t do this anymore because there is no new content for me. I am very dissatisfied and I want anet to hear me. You are totally noone to me so I don’t care about your opinion because you have no force to make them do or don’t do new armos. So don’t make it personal, I don’t care about you. I want to spend my money and I want the company to hear what I want. If you think it’s bad maybe try some real life communism, Cuba maybe?

Jski.6180:

Dont like it then dont buy it if you do like it buy it these are not made for ever one but they are made so every one can use them. Armor just simply dose not work that way most of the time and often you have the “good” version and a “bad” version when looking at the different armor classes look.

Simply put the game is not any lesser for having this set as an outfit then not having it at all.

I am a dissatisfied customer and I’m making my complain here and in any thread about outfits. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. See? I can do this too but it is nowhere near constructive.

Your point about armor sets having some versions looking good and some looking bad bad is wrong because of two reasons. First of all, it’s a matter of taste and outfits are taking away the choice to mix n match them with different armor parts giving nothing in return. Second reason, the most important is your argument doesn’t work because there are couple of outfits having totally different versions on different sexes so yeah… not really a valid argument on your side.

I hope they’ll learn that limiting player choice limits their money.

My wallet is big enough. Why you don’t want my money anet? C’mon, work for it. Make armors not outfits.

Mirta.5029

yadda yadda yadda

Your whole argument can be summed up with

“it’s meta because I experienced it”

I’m not telling you to believe or play the way I do but don’t spread misinformation or wrong assumptions about gameplay.

Mirta.5029:

All the zerker dungeons that I’ve seen recently, ALL of them had one phalanx warrior. It made its way into the meta and is staying there. And the only place that I’ve seen people even mention an ele was level 40+ fractals and ascalon. Ele is not the meta in EU.

I haven’t met any phalanx warrior for 3 months now and every of my dungeon runs have an ele. Or two. Who are you to tell me what’s the meta in EU?

Mirta.5029:

but you only take one Phalanx. Any more damages your DPS. Before Phalanx greatsword was the weapon of choice of every warrior. It was the meta.

No. Before the phalanx there was axe/mace + gs build where you switched to gs only for 100b and then went back to axe/mace. There was one pure gs build but after testing it was quickly scrapped from the board.

Mirta.5029:

Staff or scepter ele (having a choice of 20 different buttons you’re pretty much working without CDs as you’re just rotating trough your strongest abilities) and bomb engi (place a bomb when you dodge, place a bomb when you crit, place a big bomb when it’s off cooldown, you’re just rotating trough stupid amount of bombs) would be only a few examples of spammy builds.

Those are hardly spam examples.

Mirta.5029:

They don’t mimic it well, meaning that with a no brain power needed meta majority of players are performing worse than without it.

This is exactly the point. People don’t think, don’t learn the gameplay, they see a guy on YouTube and try to play the same. But they don’t care how to rotate, what to evade, when to cast aegis etc. This is why we have meta players and wannabe meta pugs that play zerker but don’t know why.

Now go and count all the scrubs still corner stacking even though fgs was nerfed. Pugs don’t think.

I’ve never complained I have to buy whole set of armors. So plz speak for yourself or don’t speak at all.