Guild Wars 2

Lordrosicky.5813:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Marcos.3690:

JonPeters.5630:

Sept 17th = no balance
Oct 1st = yes balance

Hello

FYI this is why they don’t tell us what the patch notes are. If people like you are going to nit-pick at a single discrepancy which was already publicly addressed then how the hell do you expect them to release a fluid set of notes subject to change?

They said the patch will be on the 15th. Chill the kitten out people.

Fine but the context is that october 1st is already 2 months after people wanted changes. So don’f forget that. If they delay something which already got delayed for stupid reasons then people should not accept it.

We were told 2 weeks ago in an official pre-release balance patch notes that we will get balance on october 15, This automatically superceded any previous mentioned of october 1, to anybody that doesn’t like to QQ for the sake of QQ.

We have a lot to QQ about (as an ele I do), but this isn’t one of them.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Yeh the last 3 months work has been well done. I was beginning to think pvp had been neglected with nothing in 3 months. But this patch is huge. The new temple is amazing and will transform the game.

I am very excited about the future now. Thank you so much for your hard work on pvp anet.

It wouldn’t be another day without a new QQ from you.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Forget Arcane Power, which is crappy. Elemental Surge with any of the other arcane skills works very nicely, especially when used a little bit before the blow out, which is when the enemy will try to dodge away.

Lightning Flash also works really well, especially when you cast CE close to a crowded capture point, and flash into it.

because we all know giving up one of your defensive skill in other to use a fairly telegraph skill is a great idea.

LordByron.8369:

silvermember.8941:

if you are PvEer non of the Ele QQ should really be a problem for you. Gw2 PvE is easier enough that you can be the worst and still be effective. but understand that they are other classes that do higher dps with better support, higher toughness and Hp or are just better overrall with less work.**

if you are a “player” playing PVE you should be the first to complain.

Since you get the most fun profession with 20 skills reduced to spam autoattacks or be useless.
If you ever played Pve you know how bad is to fight to do more dps than a mob regen….
unless you use conjured stuff.

you misunderstand, i m am now mostly stuck doing PvE, so I get what you are saying.

Most people are, however, not going to be aware of the limitations of the ele doing most of the PvE in this game, hence why a lot of ele do not switch out of the fire based on what the developers have said.

But most of the time you will never encounter most of the ele weakness or you will just get carried by your team.

ThiBash.5634:

silvermember.8941:

reikken.4961:

or immobilized by an ally

If you ahve to rely on an ally then the skills sucks don’t you think? I find it amazing how elementalist can rationalize certain that only negatively affect the elementalist. why is it that some ele can accept a skill that requires outside help to learn or multiple defensive skills to hit and yet no other class have a similar skill.

Try this: Arcane Power + Elemental Surge + Hurl (blow up Rock Barrier).

thank you, I learned something new today.

You play an elementalist, LOL bad.

reikken.4961:

or immobilized by an ally
or they already used up the last of their endurance when they dodged your Fire Grab. it has its uses.

But srsly, what makes it great is those visuals/sfx. Even if it isn’t a stellar pvp skill, it’s still great

If you ahve to rely on an ally then the skills sucks don’t you think? I find it amazing how elementalist can rationalize certain that only negatively affect the elementalist. why is it that some ele can accept a skill that requires outside help to learn or multiple defensive skills to hit and yet no other class have a similar skill.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

The recharge for unsteady ground will stay the same or about the same as it is currently. Also there are a few other nice staff changes coming in that patch as well. =)

That is what jon peters said and it ended up being a stupid buff to healing. So ya, I don’t expect it to be anything worth dreaming about.

Well at least we now know that the devs read our threads.

Decrypter.1785:

silvermember.8941:

Decrypter.1785:

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI – Nobody is stopping you 15v15 supporters from hosting your own tournaments. Just sayin’.

Also nobody is stopping you doing 15 v 15 gvg + ladder just sayin :P

Actually resources is stopping them, the fact that game doesn’t do too well when more than 10 people are in 1 area.

The fact that gvg only appeals to a small but vocal bunch that will evitably be the first to jump ship, like they always do anyways.

True theyve allready jumped shame

SEe no point wasting resources on a game mode that is generally the first to die, make one small mistake and they are gone. And even if they had stayed they probably would have jumped to ESO or to the next 15 minute of fame MMO.

All of guild wars 2 problems are related to how the staff elementalist is currently is. They wantd a more fast pace game and all they got was spamming spam spamming. The staff elementalist skills function in a manner that would make pvp both exciting and more visual and less daunting but I suspect a lot of QQ would be raise if they change it to the staff ele animation and after cast and stuff.

reikken.4961:

ele is bad at spvp but good at everything else

FIXED

ele is bad at spvp but mediocre at everything else.

Lina.9640:

MyPuppy.8970:

There are other classes besides Ele? o_O

Ranger in GvG, WvW zerging.

But other than in that specific instance, no.

ranger pets in WvW zerg, but they great roamers. The elementalist are barely functional outside of Zergs. While the ranger provides a lot of great buffs to his team meats and has spirits to rez players.

Decrypter.1785:

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI – Nobody is stopping you 15v15 supporters from hosting your own tournaments. Just sayin’.

Also nobody is stopping you doing 15 v 15 gvg + ladder just sayin :P

Actually resources is stopping them, the fact that game doesn’t do too well when more than 10 people are in 1 area.

The fact that gvg only appeals to a small but vocal bunch that will evitably be the first to jump ship, like they always do anyways.

Erebus.7568:

ARM.3912:

Zelyhn.8069:

Indeed I won’t admit this, not because it is untrue but because this is not what we are discussing here.

Someone made a claim that no ele can deal damage comparable to that of 100b in a single attack, I proved it wrong.

If we start discussing anything more than this, like class designs, then this conversation will never end. We do not have the skills or the knowledge to solve the “grand equation of classes” across all game modes and in all types of content. All we can do is compare simple concepts.

You didn’t prove anything, you just rattled off some numbers you made up. Find a video or find a new lie.

his always like that -.- no proof all talk and trolling…. its freaking annoying to discuss with him becouse of his bs, so just give it up early.

I feel like he is a paid shill design to give new or uninformed ele misinformation.

Demonts.4593:

I think the problem is all the conditions in the meta. Ele’s are the worst class when it comes to dealing with condis. I think if you change the condi meta ele’s will be very strong because they 1v1 great, sustain and do good burst

I think you mean they are the worst class when it comes to everything else.

The are some people that are going to tel you that the elementalist if fine and they are wrong. Endgame the flaws of the elementalist become significnatly apparent, especially if you plan on doing anything other than PvE and ZvZ (aka hide behind the zerg and spam aoe).

A lot of people are going to argue that the ele damage is on par wtih the best, but that is in fact a lie. The ele damage is high, but it requires that you use LH and a bugged FGS and in dungeon are have to be at the mercy of another class holding aggro or you get turned into shreds and those 2 things pretty much undermine the purpose of playing the ele. If you are going to lock yourself out of all your utilities then why bother playing the elementalist in the first place?

tl;dr
if you are PvEer non of the Ele QQ should really be a problem for you. Gw2 PvE is easier enough that you can be the worst and still be effective. but understand that they are other classes that do higher dps with better support, higher toughness and Hp or are just better overrall with less work.

MyPuppy.8970:

One can learn from fighting other classes, but fighting fellow elementalists (perfect balance/equality, same tools), you can see better where you lack. Because there’s always a better elementalist than one self.

Again, how does that help against other classes? I the real world, you are not only going to be fighting elementalist, as a matter of fact you will hardly fight elementalist.

So whatever you take from the fights will not be applicable, well at least not in the meta and not for a long time.

See if you want to have your Arena cool, but don’t make it sound grander than it really is. To me that is the equivalent of forming a group made of men and trying to come up with a marketing campaign for women, chances are it is going to fail real bad.

Kwll.1468:

silvermember.8941:

Dirame.8521:

silvermember.8941:

Did the team with the most Ai win?

Nope. That’s the ironic part!

So the team with the most Ai did not win, what does that say about the point the OP is attempting to make?

It doesn’t necessarily say anything. For it to say what you are indicating you would have to assume equal skill level on both teams and that the outcome was purely class based. The sad fact of the matter is that despite being so called “nerfed” people at the higher end of the game still feel that spirit rangers are very strong.

I am not necessarily arguing that some of the Ai based builds are not too easy. I am asking because the OP implied ai=win and if the edvience he uses says otherwise, the OP doesn’t have a leg to stand. (still doesn’t change the fact that ai are too powerful though). This goes to show to a small extend that a good team can beat an Ai team.

But I will say that, the class with the type of Aoe that could make AI useless is currently out of meta because the whole class sucks and the weapon that could do the deed also sucks.

Dirame.8521:

silvermember.8941:

Did the team with the most Ai win?

Nope. That’s the ironic part!

So the team with the most Ai did not win, what does that say about the point the OP is attempting to make?

Fuzzion.2504:

This is how i see it

We play a support role with staff —> Healing, Speed and Disruption with Staff
We can also play a solo role --> Full Bunker DnD
We can also play a small group Auramaner —> DnD /SnD
We can also play a small group DPS -->1/2 Bunker 1/2 Glass DnD
We can also play a pure DPS role —> Freash air Build with SnD

Perhaps this is what they meant by jack of all trades.

And we are saying we suck at all those things. Other classes do a better job directly and indirectly, than the ele, with the added bonus that they don’t suck at killing stuff.

All those roles you listed other classes can do a better job at it and NOT be a free kill.

Did the team with the most Ai win?

1. You either A: deal with it or B: deal with it.
2. You have no authority over what any of us do.
3. You have no authority over what any of us do.
4. You have no authority over what any of us do.
…
100.You have no authoerity over what any of us do.
101. Elementalist have a lot of problems and Arenanet is in denial about them.
102. Making QQ threats actually is more fun than playing the elementalist 90% of the time.

Fishbait.6723:

So you want to accept their false advertising that there will be no support classes, play how you want?
Sure, you go ahead, but let those that didn`t buy the game for that kitten to complain as they have every right to.

btw, ele aren`t the jack of all.
Engie is, warrior can be, as can ranger etc.

Ele isn`t even close any more.

I agree with the spirit of what you say, except they never said they will be no support classes, they said they will be no healing classes (they consider healing a subset under support). Their whole concept of gw2 was that they will be no, tank or healer, not that they will be no support.

With that said, it is sad that the elementalist is suppose to be a support class yet it suck at actually supporting when you start comparing the manner in which their skills actually operate.

The real false advertisement is changing the elementalist role after I already purchase the game.

Zeon.8239:

But watching better Eles fight other classes will. We could make like.. An Elementalist PvP guild.

Not sure what the possible names would be..

Again, how does that improve against other classes? you might learn something from another ele, but how does that help you with other classes?

Zelyhn.8069:

Caffynated.5713:

Never mind that meteor shower takes 10 seconds to put out its damage and has a 30 second cooldown, while hurr durr blades can hit for 106k damage in 3.5 seconds with an 8 second cooldown.

Clearly comparable skills.

Yeah but 100b requires you to be rooted and has melee range, while meteor shower has aoe etc etc, we are comparing the damage not the class.

ya, and who is going to stand and yet a meteor hit them. Let’s assume best case, another player roots your attack, the is still a slim chance that none of the attacks will actually hit you.

I know you will never admit it, but you cannot ignore that the warrior has way more dps for less works guranteered than hoping that a meteor hits you and it still does less damage.

cheshirefox.7026:

it’s seriously depressing that i didn’t just main a thief from start-up and lie to myself that it was a ninja

Or make a warrior.

Caffynated.5713:

Galtrix.7369:

I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear.

You’re doing what you mistakenly believe is massive damage. Meanwhile, I’m Hurr Durr Blading my way through life 60,000 damage at a time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE

In my 1000+ hours of playing guild wars 2, I have never seen such numbers except when I critic on a critter, so you are saying I should being lazy and make a warrior. I mean I have been telling people to roll warriors, but never actually did myself, I guess I am now.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Fortus.6175:

we are downright neglected.

I’m fine with balance discussions, but stuff like this is hard to deal with. The devs do not “neglect” your profession. They created your profession and make little tweaks to it constantly to try to improve on it and make it more balanced, just like they do with the other professions.

If you disagree with a decision, or hope to see a certain change, that’s fine. But claims that the devs are running a conspiracy to ignore or punish certain sections of the playerbase…it’s impossible to believe and tarnishes any good points that might otherwise be made.

That is because someone doesn’t know the definition of neglect and when i say someone I mean YOU.

definition of neglect: the action of not taking proper care of someone or something.
I think the evidence that Arenanet is neglecting the ele speaks for itself.

Fortus.6175:

Trolls apart, if this is not enough prove, then I dont know waht is.

I specifically remember the Devs saying that they buffed warriors and necros because of their poor representation. I really dont want to make hasty conclusions, but seriously, if warriors and necros got their attention because of this, and we dont, it is obvious that we are downright neglected.

Hyperbole:

but I think Arenanet just doesn’t want to admit the problems the ele because they have require drastic steps which contradicts their shorts-sight WAIT and see approach, assuming the approach actually exist.

Another possibility but less likely (1% likely) is that they are working on fixing the ele problems and are currently testing them (I know i m funny).

It’s funny reading at some of the skills comparison, we are suppose to be a support class, but our aura need to be traited to actually offer group support, while other classes get short CD support and and group support.

Makes you wonder the process Arenanet goes through for their so called balancing.

It’s sad looking at how much Arenanet dispises the elementalist and seems to relish destroying the class every single patch. But I guess looking at gw1, it will take a while for ARenanet to do an overhaul of the class.

ARM.3912:

Yes, anet nerfed ele’s into the ground and they are worthless now.

As for the guy who says his ele does more damage than warriors: No, you don’t. Stop the lies.

As for the guy claiming ele’s have perma-protection: No, you don’t. Stop the lies.

You should probably learn to ignore those two clowns.

It depends on the tier you are playing. In t1, you can always hide behind the zvz and use staff, in the lower tiers not so much.

anyways do yourself a favor and play another class. Playing the ele is like being the only one forced to do long division (for example) while everyone else has access to a calculator. Ya, you might feel better if you do better than those who used a calculator, but why would you risk it. (chances are unless the ppl using calculators are dumb you aint going to do better than them).

The popular meta is rerolling to a new class called warrior. go to the spvp forums and read about the tiers to give you an idea on where the ele stands.

Seriously, Ele are not part of the whatever “meta” might exist.

Gorefiend.9675:

Excalibur.9748:

sPvP balance is trash but still 100x better than GvG balance

Nothing comes close to the diversity of builds and group setups you can bring to 15v15’s

Yes, if you consider pressing a bunch of buttons mindlessly and hoping to win counts, then yes it has more diversity of builds. Build diversity isn’t going to save that clusterkitten you guys call GvG. The fact that arenanet is supposedly wasting resources on a game mode that can only benefits a small tiny fraction while they can use those same resources to open up SPvP more to the players, is sad.

But I supposed the loudmouths go arenanet by the balls.

Kyuzo.4675:

Five guage is a girl btw not a dude. And she is smokin hot

You better pour water on her or she will burn, but in all seriousness.

hot chicks don’t play video games. nice try, trying to distract us from the real issues here.

cheshirefox.7026:

Lina.9640:

Let me say that I don’t think the elementalist, or any, balancing should be done based on profession X can do Y for Z so much better than us! What I mean to say is, if your idea of balancing one class is to nerf another then it’s already pretty full of fail.

i’d argue it’s fail to play chess against an apposing team whos pieces all consist of knights and queens

That’s doesn’t seem fair at all, who thought something like that was a brilliant idea?

Avead.5760:

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

Yes cause its the players fault they arent interested so you get no resources..
Is there any hidden quality that i miss in Anet as a company that their game’s playerbase has to put up with unfinished bad content?
Make it worthwile (get the resources) and people will come.
The players in general arent obliged to do anything..you just have to take that bet with spvp and invest

Unfortunately, that is how life works, it is part of that circle.

ex. WiiU, developers wont make games because it is not selling well, however players are not going to buy it because IF doesn’t have a lot of software that they want.

OP if you can make extremely clear we are talking about sPvP because people have the tendency to assume PvE is relevant to mokitten of the ele’s problems.

Now, I would like to see the following:

Reduce attunement recharge: the current sykittenem seemkitteno be punising us for our class mechanics and that is not right. Arenanet wanted ukitteno have the right tools at the right time, how can we achieve that if we are locked out of tools for 15 secs.

If they want to buff of support on water cool, but they shouldn’t forget that they are 3 other attunementkittenhey should return to the original premise of making fire AoE damage and air high single target damage. And earth into a defensive based attunement and not simply a defensive attunement in trait points.

Reevaluate the CD, after cakitten. Jon talk about reducing the cd right before release and I think they completely forgot about the elementalikitten.

Either improve our hp or give us defensive skillkittenhat actually jukittenify our low hp. Right now our defensive skills are on an extremely high CD, yet the thief has a lot of built in defensive mechanics from kittenealth to evades on their skills. Currently, Auras don’t punish enough for attacking the ele, it should give the player a reason to avoid hitting aura ele, right now it doesn’t. Personally, adding confusing to auras will make sense.

I think the ele also need a weapon that complimentkittenhe scepter. Right now the current choices contradictkittenhe scepter or are jukitten bad. /D forces you to be in melee range to use the skills it offers very little at range and focus jukitten sucks.

conjures suck. Either make it a kit or don’t bother. Using conjusres in PvP takes away all the benefit of having 20 skills and replacekittenhem with bad low damage skillkittenhey should reward using them inkittenead of punishing the summoner.

I would agree with you, but I feel like as an elementalist, I deserve the right to QQQ about nerfs. I mean if you watch karl at gstar 2011 and compare the class mechanics to today’s, you gotta be able to QQ about that BS.

JonathanSharp.7094:

There was a time in balance when #1 skills across the board were said to be “too ineffective” by many players to be used. So we made an effort to bump them up and make them more impact-full on the game, so that they didn’t feel like a waste of the #1 slot. There was also a time when most skills had higher recharges, and longer activation times/aftercasts.

From much player feedback, we found that by lowering recharges and cast times, the game FELT better for the person using skills. But, as you guys have said, sometimes it feels like you aren’t punishing by making someone waste a long-cooldown skill, or you aren’t rewarded for interrupting a powerful skill because it comes back too quickly.

I guess non of these applied to the elementalist staff.

MyPuppy.8970:

They just increased tremendously the skill floor for being average in this profession.

If they ever turned it back, we would become gods. Maybe that’s the purpose. Making life so hard for us so we could become divinities one glorious day.

Right. >_>

Kline.9561:

I see how some my worry but I disagree. I think as long as the skills concept is kept intact then there’s nothing to worry about. I played World of Warcraft for 8 years before I came to Guild Wars 2, and I’m probably soon to give up on Guild Wars 2 the same reason I did World of Warcraft,

which is the Blantant favoritism of PvE over PvP. in World of Warcraft they balance skills around PvE and PvP’s issues where a second thought, this made tons of class imbalances due to the catering of Raiders, I’m not saying that they never did anything for PvP, but there’s a reason I came to GuildWars 2 to find PvP here. the only problem is I’m still looking for it

so I’m all for splitting skills more the merrier, just keep the initial concept of the skills intact

You should rpobably give up now, since Arenanet has always favor PvE except for the first few years gw1 was theorize and then after PvE became more successful to them than PvP they started focusing on PvE more, since it could be monetize more. The point being as long as game has both PVE and PvP, pvE will probably win more since it is generally bigger pop.

cheshirefox.7026:

dude, stop linking videos of a time long past when the game might have had some semblance of balance and fairplay

It’s fun to look back and see how we have “progressed” since the time this video was made 2 years ago.

Pepperidge farm remembers. Anyways, time for me to go invest in rose covered glasses, I m going to need those bad boyz soon.

Preface: the players he fought are noobs, they lack the experienced. But it is good to look back at how the elementalist was before, the wonderful works at Arenanet decided to take the feedback of a bunch of inexperience players during the first BWE and start the downwards spiral of the class.

Notice the fast attunement swap. Everything else cannot speculate since I did not see the traits.

karl at gstar 2011

MyPuppy.8970:

Attunement reduction should be based on your playstyle: 20 points in air = 20% air reduction on a 9s base cd, leaving arcana free to spec for boon duration and something else. A 20/20/10/30/0 build would basicaly give 7.2s/7.2s/8.1s/6.3s for each attunement.

Or take advantage of the fact that we already have long CD and turn arcane into a global skill CD reduction but cap it 20%, so it would be nice to have but not really needed.

remove attunement change CD. WE should be able to react and NOT get punished. The ele is all about having the right tools and yet we get punished if we want to use the right tools (jack of all fail).

matjazmuhic.1649:

ryston.7640:

Diablo 3 has more viewers on twitch…

Yep. Sad but true.

d3 also sold 4+ times (9 months ago) the amount of copies than guild wars 2. Has a very different type of audience (some intersect).

The point being you 2 are making an illogical comparison.

They should remove rank from glory. Or at least separate hot join, solo qu and team arena. Or change rank to PvP level since rank implies more than it means.

dzindzinier.6138:

a bit too late ….
why cheating , exploiting …..in this game has no punishment ?

How do you prove that? Or so you think there is a method to it? Why don’t you suggest ways to prove that they were cheating or exploiting?

Rank has always meant every little, the fact that people are making a big deal of out if doesn’t suddenly increase it’s worth.

reroll to warior or any class except mesmer FOR NOW. More effective, less work and QQ.

ADD rewards that affect both PvE and PvP.
Make elementalist viable in PvP. An ele should not have to be 2 times better than his opponent for only 1/3 the result.
Also make turn Canada into a parking lot.

Xillllix.3485:

Probably for the same reasons there isn’t GvG or Guild halls. Because WvW is a free for all on a huge map and a healer running around by himself would be just as defenceless as a staff ele.

That is not true, the healer would propably be able to out healed the damage. And by the off chance that the healer encounters the staff ele, probably killed its kitten .