Guild Wars 2

The Game Slayer.7632:

If it was brought down, it would reduce the necessity for water traitline, which is something A-net wants to do, right?

You would think that wouldn’t you.

Good.

• New fast cast system.
• Trait information (Thank you karl).

Bad.

• Elementalist still subpar and not tournament ready.
• Elementalist have been nerfed since release.
• Seems the developers have no idea what to do with elementalist.
• Still OP classes.
• Elementalist, elementalist, elementalist.
• Conjures are not kits or don’t benefit the elementalist more than it handicaps them.

Durzlla.6295:

Leuca.5732:

Durzlla.6295:

They’re all pretty strong… Tornado for heavy CC, greatsword for damage, and the the glyph for all sorts of utility, don’t know what you’re talking about…

Tornado to lock you out of all your preservation ability without any sort of defense if anything around you has stability, greatsword to lock you out of your weapon skills for a mediocre increase in damage that’s highly telegraphed and has no cc, and the glyph for really bad AI that doesn’t do significant damage and serves better as a meatshield in PvE.

You have an AoE blind, KD, and launch while in the tornado and your health bar doubles, if you’re using your Tornado for 1337 damagez or when the entire team just popped AoE stability i’m sorry you’re using your elite like an idiot and thus getting poor results.

Fiery Greatsword has some really hard hitting skills, not to mention a teammate also gets one, and if that teammate is a ranger, congrats you just created the most borken thing ever because his scales now scale like everyone elses instead of the kittenty scaling with power they have due to “pet taxes”. And if you didn’t know… there’s nothing to stop you from dropping your sword so you can use your weapon skills… i mean kitten if you’re in a 1v1 you still got that other sword laying on the ground that you can pick up when it’s safe to do so…

Bad AI, yeah, they are pretty stupid, but one thing they do is spam their AoE buffs, so fire gives you might, earth gives prot, water gives healing, and storm swiftness, not to mention it gives you a meat shield to hide behind if you’re fighting a ranged enemy…

FGS good for the teammates bad for the elementalist. The elementalist losses a lot of their utility for 5 skills that are on a 60 second timer and only 15 charges. Most of the benefits of FGS is in PvE where you can bug it out.

Tornador turns you into a giant target with no defenses.

Pets are decent, but they are not great. they don’t do that much when you compare to other classes, since the earth and water are too slow, the air and fire are decent since they are highly telegraphed.

People put too much emphasis on “TOP PLAYERS”, this is in no way directed at the OP.

A lot of former or disgruntle spvper love the phrase “all the top players are gone” whenever they want to make another argument why the game is dying, which ironically has been dying or is dead since last winter, in any case the you can only be a top player if you are still in the game.

Over time good players are going to quit and move on and other top players are going to move in and claim that spot, it happens in sports and it will happen here.

The point being “top players” that quit has no real meaning in the grand scheme of things. The top player is simply someone who is currently better than most players and if you left the game you are not in the running and thus not a top player. Obviously, they are a few people that love to hold onto the “top player” like they are some kind of god or something.

but seriously Arenanet try to figure out what you want from the game and really revalute where the classes stand especially the elementalist. I see no reason why the squishy class has low hP, defense and damage when you compare it to the highest hp, defense class, i mean that don’t make sense. Admitt defeat and fix that stupid conjures, there is no reason why a skill should completely undermine the class mechanic.

hooma.9642:

silvermember.8941:

ahuba.6430:

Imagine a pve player as a cow. Now imagine a pvp players as another cow. Pve player’s cowbreasts are full of milk. So they get jugged by arenanet. We, pvp players, have empty cowbreasts, so anet doesnt jugg on our nips lol

Not only do PvE cows produce more milk and are plentiful. PvP Cows produce very little if any, but require their milk to be pasturize via an extensive and expensive method, not only that but there is no gurantee that the milk will actually sell.

yeah but at some points its harder to get more milf from pve and so why not start to use the other meadow with the pvp-cows that are still there?

Wrong, they are more ways to milk money out from PvE. PvP not so much, what can you really charge PvPers?

PvE, new skins BAM money. transmutation stone.
new living story skins? BAM money+transumation stone.
Need gold? BAM, credit card and buy gems.
want to level crafting? BAM credit card.

ahuba.6430:

Imagine a pve player as a cow. Now imagine a pvp players as another cow. Pve player’s cowbreasts are full of milk. So they get jugged by arenanet. We, pvp players, have empty cowbreasts, so anet doesnt jugg on our nips lol

Not only do PvE cows produce more milk and are plentiful. PvP Cows produce very little if any, but require their milk to be pasturize via an extensive and expensive method, not only that but there is no gurantee that the milk will actually sell.

ahuba.6430:

Fortus.6175:

Melee have access to cleavage.

I’ll have some of that cleavage, i love cleavage

I mean who wouldn’t love some cleavage?

Taldren.7523:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I even went back and checked.

I see no nerfs.

Stop your whining.

Lost my 25% movement trait and got a useless 1.5s ‘Superspeed’ trait?
Lost the ability to preload a lot of my boons due to the 5 stack limit.
5 Target AoE not ignoring Blocking/Evading targets?

Warriors can now move while knocking me on my kitten

I see that as good for the game, as long as it came with actual buffs to the horrible elementalist, but the did not.

kitten TOP players.

Their opinions don’t mean much more than the opinions of others.

Their justification for not having patches every 2 weeks seems to show they don’t understand their own patch process.

You don’t need to wait and see that certain classes are OP, you don’t need to wait and see that the following:
1. TTK ratio is too high. Powercreep.
2. certain classes are extremely OP.
3 certain classes are unfairly punished. I mean does it make sense that the classes with the lowest armor, hp, have less than the class with the highest, hp, armor?

Caffynated.5713:

Nobody did it. Johnathan Sharp struggles beating staff eles, so they’re clearly OP.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/We-knew-Warriors-would-end-up-this-way/first#post3031584

JonathanSharp.7094:

That’s why we want to see what today’s improvements do to the game, especially to support meta. I ran into a VERY strong staff Elementalist earlier on live, and was excited to see it when I did.

Ele nerfs imminent.

I read that and at first I wanted to get really really mad, but oddly found myself numb, then I realize it was because I am almost at the last stage for grief, acceptance. Acceptance that the ele wont get fixed, acceptance that the balance team don’t have a clue and acceptance that I might actually like playing a warrior despite it being extremely banal.

Rym.1469:

Hello, Mr. Sharp.
Let’s discuss the elementalist then.

fixed that for you.

They have unusually (up to 2x) CD on skill other better protected, more damage and hp classes have for less, while doing less than 1/3 the damage.

How does the current elementalist make any logical sense for the balancing team?

Except for QoL kitten, nothing really changed. Conjures are not kits, so you give up 20 mediocre skills for 5 even more mediocre skills; the staff is still a free kill etc.

But I will say, WELL PLAYED, Arenanet.

You manage to string us a long for nearly a month about a patch that has nothing of any significance. Speaking obviously as an ele.

mistsim.2748:

HPLT.7132:

Takes at least another year until they realise family feedback is kitten and test servers for real input have to be implemented. Quitting this game was the best decision. Saves alot of dissapointment.

this! quitting gw2 was definitely the best “gaming” decision i ever made. im having a blast playing other games and i have zero desire to come back to this trainwreck. wont be coming back until we get some new devs who actually play pvp at a higher level.

Thanks for sharing which begs the question, why are you here? Are you trying to validate your decision or something?

Wasn’t there a topic about massive buff?lol

Or make them kits that actually go with the theme of the class. Take advantage of the fact that we have 4 attunements. The only problem is great FGS, but that can be modified with a lower CD and no charge.

Any other suggestion, imo, is simply a bandaid.

Allie Murdock.8152:

I’ve seen comments that the PvP team is stubborn. Sorry, but in this case I am actually going to stubbornly (couldn’t resist) say that is not true. We are extremely receptive to feedback, but we also have realistic goals with the systems we are implementing. Systems take time to develop.

As always, we really appreciate the feedback and love you all have for the game.

Look at the pathetic the elementalist and ask yourself “do we really listen to feedback”, If the last two tournaments were not enough feedback, what do you guys consider as feedback?

Relentliss.2170:

-classes not being played in tournamnets

Oh well. I won’t be the one out of work at Xmas.

As an elementalist player or former ele till last saturday,, I totally agree with the first part, but the last part>? let be realistic, I don’t see that happening.

Pretty much this balance update only benefits eles due to the update in the targeting system.

Overall the patch enhance every class pretty decently except the ele.

BlackBeard.2873:

Puppychow.2563:

Axelifus.3269:

BlackBeard.2873:

Trait “One with air” now gives 2s of “superspeed” (100% run speed) on swap to air, yourself only

ICD?

It didn’t appear there was one, since they mentioned it working well with fresh air.

Yea, they said it works with fresh air, but so does elemental attunement. Maybe it will actually be good, but I have a feeling we will still be useless….sorry, less than useless.

why take superspeed for 2 seconds? Answer you don’t.

How about not changing it.

I mean I just started playing a warrior and powerlevel in 5 days, but thanks to my extremely limited experience with it, I can honestly I like rush. IT allows one to close distance and or escape when you are fighting a thief with sw/d and get sick trying to PvP the little kitten cuz all your CC are useless on it.

Or when you overplay your hand and end up next to a zerg and you use rush + whirlwind attack+ charge and then you turn around and you mock the kitten for not killing you.

But in all seriousness I think whirlwind attack should be change, it just seems so boring.

ykyk.2740:

Durzlla.6295:

In my experience higher tier players tend to suck outside of their blobs… Not to mention tier means nothing when it comes to player skill, it just tells you how good the server is at tactics and zergling herding

“Higher tier” players tend to be specced for very large group fights, because those are the norm in the higher tiers (and that is because the game is designed to encourage that, but that’s a different point). These specs tend to be suboptimal for small-group/solo fights.

The only way the “tier” or server can have an effect on player skill is as a result of the kind of fight that tier or server tends to be engaged in. If the majority of fights are smaller scale then the server might produce more experienced and hence better roamers. If the majority of fights are large-scale then the server will probably be better at that type of combat.

Each time some l33t roamer catches a “zergling” off-guard and laughs at the poor guy running away/doing badly in a fight, think about what will happen if you threw 30 of those l33t roamers against a 30-man zerg guild.

What you said speaks to me in a deep way. It reminds me of my time in Aion, all the l33t roamers had +10 External PvP gear, most of us in my PvPvE guild (but mainly PvE) had 10 PvE gear (obviously PvP gear is better for PvP), but we were organize and efficient, we started with 23 vs their 50 and eventually our sizes increase but we still had half of their numbers and we PvP’d over a world boss for nearly 8 hours. and we were destroying them.

All of these while not relevant to the discussion at hand still is awesome and brings back memories.

Anybody know when the devs will be previewing the balance, I remember a few weeks ago Roy said they will be showing it off before the patch drops.

instead of asking why play bad builds just ask why play the elementalist?

Anyways, there is a lot of reason to play supposedly “bad” builds:
1. testing the build.
2. Like the class aka play an ele
3. You create anew build and eventually will become the meta.

Seems like a troll post.

Looking at his history, not only does he lack the ability to spell properly but it seems he/she/it left the game for a very long time, which brings into question his credibility.

There is no evidence from this previous post that he should know anything about future updates and plans.

Thus, it is far more likely, OP is full of kitten.

Bhawb.7408:

Phadde.7362:

Of course, but it doesn’t really seems to be all that time-consuming or difficult relative to other features in the game, and relative to what the sPvP community would gain.

They are looking into it, mind you. They’ve looked at deathmatch (as well as other things) and they’ve looked at non-conquest gamemodes, as they’ve said. They just don’t want to implement it badly. And I imagine that is the only reason they haven’t just done something really simple like modifying Graveyard and Foefire to just spawn both sides on opposites sides of a walled-in Graveyard, disable respawns, and whoever scores 10 points wins.

The irony is that a lot of forums posters want things fast which usually leads to it being half-baked, the problem is that if they do give in and quickly assemble something, all those same players will spend the next few months kittening about it. So it is a catch 22 for arenanet.

Nuorus.8415:

Arheundel.6451:

Nuorus.8415:

Arheundel.6451:

I played ele since BWE1, full ascended accessories+r54+champion titles blah blah…all on ele, now I’ve switched to warrior for testing and these are my results :

1) Berseker’s stance > Cleansing wave trait+ EA water dodge+ER+Cleansing wave skill..all used at the same time

2) Warrior =Stability 8s every 40s( stance)+8s every 60s ( dolyak)
Ele= Stability 6s every 90s..that’s it, you can try for 2s stability every 15s if you take useless earth trait

3) Overall dmg = Warrior > Ele both using soldier amulet and same traits disposition
Ele needs to go full glass cannon to surpass a warrior in soldier amulet, but then the already low survivability drop to 0

4) Number of builds and useful traits = Warrior > Ele…by a lot

In the end I put 1/3 of the effort and take 4x the reward while playing warrior compared to my ele…OP or not I don’t care anymore as I wish the situation to remain as it is ( Ty Anet for loving warriors so much..pls nerf eles some more..or you can even delete it as I won’t use it anymore)

but ele doesn’t have same kind cooldowns like warrior has. It just switches element and gets fresh skill bar, right?

Where did you hear about that?
Ele got both CD ( huge CD on skills ) and CD on attunement swap..also ICD on each attunement every time you swap, once you use your skills in one attunement, they’ll go on CD..and remain on CD even if you swap back to the same attunement.

Furthemore ele needs to use 3-4 skills to cover the same dmg done by the warrior with 1-2 skillss, basically those 20 skills are there just for show.

There is no reason to play ele outside your will to play a harder profession to feel…dunno what maybe some kind of PRO.

Unfortunately this is a game so nobody kittening care if you’re considered a PRO because you play a harder profession, people want efficiency and fun, while the fun may be there for ele ( loads of sparkling lights )..there is close to zero efficiency

You missunderstood me. You got a full skill bar on each element, right? You use a skill on fire element and swap to water, now you will find 5 skills without cd on those, right? You will always have some skill without cd. Ofc warrior has the auto attack but it doesn’t do anything special, just strong dmg.

Instead of arguing about something you seem to have no idea about, how about actually making a character in pvp and see how it works in the real world.

Hot Boy.7138:

I’ll let you in on a secret, all classes are OPed in the right hands.

“suddenly a new contender has emerged”

Krayiss.4926:

http://strawpoll.me/531810 Q: Should devs use this, Y/N?
Use it!

Some interesting points.

1. Agreed
2. Theres no make it work button? Thats the 1st thing Id develop.
3. We just see so much PvE content and we are jealous
4. Talk with US about all your ideas and stop giving dates if you don’t want to be held by them.
5. And I use the word players when Im using someone else points and most certainly use the word I when I want something.

Just a few key points.

strawpolls are only useful if a lot of people visit this forum, from the look of the average views per page, it doesn’t seem that way.

Pretty much that whatever poll you have will be extremely bias and represent a very very very very very very small subset of pvpers.

ahuba.6430:

silvermember.8941:

ahuba.6430:

You mean warrior shouts? lol yeah warrior shouts are so op.
Some people are just like bots, the patch notes might say “buffed warrior shouts” that people will only read “buffed warrior ****” and go like “WAT YOU BAFFED OP WARRIO WHAT YOU SMOKE ARENA”

Whether you like it or not a buff, is still a buff. This buffs can potentially add more to the warrior repertoire, the ele only dreams of that having more than a couple of below average builds.

it like a rich guy getting more add from the government while a poor guy gets barely any.

No one uses shouts. Just compare warrior’s shouts to guardian’s. Just because a class has a complete broken spec does it mean other options can’t be reworked? Not to mention an hypothetical shout build needs it’s own set of traits.

Woosh.

Nobody uses shout builds now, but whose to say it wont get better after the buff. Right now nobody plays the elementalist and yet we wont get any reasonable buffs. After this patch? that wont change at all.

Right now in the PvP scene, the elementalist is not even on the guest or even servant list.

ahuba.6430:

You mean warrior shouts? lol yeah warrior shouts are so op.
Some people are just like bots, the patch notes might say “buffed warrior shouts” that people will only read “buffed warrior ****” and go like “WAT YOU BAFFED OP WARRIO WHAT YOU SMOKE ARENA”

Whether you like it or not a buff, is still a buff. This buffs can potentially add more to the warrior repertoire, the ele only dreams of that having more than a couple of below average builds.

it like a rich guy getting more aid from the government while a poor guy gets barely any.

style.6173:

You all just want eles to be back to being insanely OP like they were earlier in the year. That won’t happen.

Nobody wants insane OP elementalist, we want an elementalist that putting in X skill should give out Y amount of reward and not the current X skill = (1/3)Y amount of skill, when you start comparing it to other classes.

I think that is only fair.

oZii.2864:

silvermember.8941:

Arenanet needs to man up and accept that conjures are just bad and merge all of them into 1 skill called attunement conjure.
Fire axe, water bow, lightning hammer and earth shield. It is kind of sad that the conjure seem to represent what elementalist attunements were original meant to be, but they are so bad it is not even funny.

I would give a utility slot for this. I think FGS could still sit as a elite but merge all the conjures into 1 utility skill that replaces your attunements is a good idea.

As they are implemented now I think something that could help conjures if they gave them some kind of mechanic when the second conjure is still in the ground.

Have all the conjures apply elemental type effect if the enemy touches them radius 180 that way they have a partial defensive role they could do. Fire axe apply burn 1 second, frost bow chill 1 second, hammer blind 1 second, shield 3 seconds cripple, fgs burning 2 seconds.

That way you could call the conjure down kite around the conjure or stay around it yourself gives it offensive and defensive play. That imo would be a good way to make them more attractive with the way they are implemented currently.

Except that in PvP, unless you are brain dead no decent enemy is going be near a a conjure and why would I waste a defensive slot just to bring in 1 second burn, child and cripple?

The biggest problem with the hammer is that arenanet thinks, it should be shared but ends up punishing the conjurer because they have to give up a lot for that “support”, they have to give up better support for crappy support.

I hope something like this was already suggested.

Queue depending on how long it takes——> once a sufficient number of players have been found——>“here and not afk button”———> forms group———>groups get formed——>confirmed (after this point leaving and not returning = lost of rank, dishonor, 60secs to confirmed), if teams are not even pull in someone from the queue and redo the confirmed process or just cancel the match.

All of these comes with an exclusive PvP afk button. After a certain threshold have been reach, give a dishonor buff. for reach stack of the buff until the dishonor buff bans the player, the player should be placed on the lowest priority for queuing for 7 days.

hooma.9642:

silvermember.8941:

Bring back the /resign command as temp fix.

not as temp fix.. permanent. its a usefull command even if u fight 5vs5.

AS long as there is a price for using it, because players are going to abusing it, if they feel they are about to loss.

Arenanet needs to man up and accept that conjures are just bad and merge all of them into 1 skill called attunement conjure.
Fire axe, water bow, lightning hammer and earth shield. It is kind of sad that the conjure seem to represent what elementalist attunements were original meant to be, but they are so bad it is not even funny.

Bring back the /resign command as temp fix.

TheZeus.8617:

If i say it then the post gets deleted. Anet doesn’t like us posting about other games on there forums. but 3-6 months from now there will be new MMOS released.

bTW I was being sarcastic no MMORPG is coming in the next 3-6 months. All of them have been given a tentative early next year which is a PR term for next spring and spring isn’t march but april (since march 31 is the end of the fiscal year). And so far non of the future MMO even look promising, IF you have actually experience them and I have experience at least 1 for the 2 AAA mmo coming out next year.

TheZeus.8617:

why does everyone kiss the devs butts? Seriously they have said things time and time again only to have the response. WE do not want to rush it and SOON! well SOON i will be playing a New MMORPG that has better pvp if you don’t hurry up. I played this game since beta 1. I just NOW am at the point where i dont even want to log on to do my daily. The point capture system is old and tiresome. I really REALLY wish Anet the best but it doesn’t look like it will be going anywhere in the next 3-6 months. If it does I may come back atm I’m tired Colin of empty promises. You all should not even have done PAX till the game was in a good spot. But you did it anyways.

What new MMO are you going to be playing in that time? there is no indication that any new mmorpg will be out before any of the promised changes in the game.

Zinwrath.2049:

so to all the people who quit 6 to 9 months ago and only check in to see if its around playable or fun. We should wait another 3-6 months?

Well two big mmo’s with pvp will prob be out by then. Not sure it will be relevant to many people. Suppose it comes down to how much its improved vs if the other games can deliver. Doubt i’ll check back in 3-6 months, but wish ya the best. Glad to see your starting to fix things for the loyal fanboys who cling to ya. Would be pretty depressing if they had to keep playing a game they didn’t enjoy for another year.

Except that there are no 2 big MMO coming out in the next 3-6 months.

Anyways, they are improving stuff not for the people that are gone they are improving stuff for the players that will be around, BUT more importantly, they are improving stuff for the biggest MMORPG market in the world, China.

ColinJohanson.2394:

We’re just starting work on a number of bigger systems/features for PvP, and as is our policy until they are far enough along that we won’t throw them out or change them massively we won’t talk about them quite yet. We’re working down a list of big stuff though, and there are more folks working on PvP related projects right now than ever.

And as a reminder, things we’ve already said we’re working on currently that are far enough along for us to discuss are:

- Fixing rewards and progression in PvP to make the game type much more rewarding.
- Investigating new game types for PvP.
- Improving the game and experience for the core base in general to make it more fun for more casual or casual-competitive gamers to play PvP.
- Improving and continuing to support and grow the competitive scene.

In January, things should hopefully be nailed down enough we should be able to go into much greater detail on the other systems and features we’re working on right now on top of the stuff listed above.

I remember one of the Red names (devs) mentioning templates, is there any information about that?

Zietlogik.6208:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just to confirm, we are working on new maps. I can’t give too many details, but a few things:

1) We’re trying maps with no cap points.
2) We’re trying mechanics that focus on high risk/reward mechanics that can win to sudden wins/sudden losses.
3) We’re trying maps that focus on “big play” moments that permanently impact the map flow/map status.
4) I can’t give an ETA on when you’d see one live, because we’re trying different maps, and each of them takes time to prototype, etc.

I think that conquest is easy for new players to get into, and it’s allowed for some amazing high-level games so far! But we’d like to try some new things that get away from conquest.

Also, as many of us have said, we want to give players enough variety such that they can change what they play from time to time, while also being sure that we don’t fracture the player-base by spreading players out to too many different game types.

I know this isn’t a super exhaustive answer, but just wanted to give you guys a quick update.

How about…you know, a test server?! No glory, no reward, just a few servers set up and designed to gauge average player interaction. Or a test realm all together, a secondary mini-client that had pre-live balance passes and mechanics for testing outside of the general internal setting.

A test server only works if you have a prototype ready and it seems they don’t.

Now why would Arenanet do something that punishes their main source of income?

ele get a buff to lava front and get nerfed somewhere else to cover up the buff.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

That doesn’t explain why the Warrior has such ridiculously high damage output. They’re clearly meant to be the “nukers” who lay down massive damage but are relatively squishy and need to be protected, so to speak.

Fixed.
Glass rangers has more DPS than Elementalists. Hitting 10k criticals on Dragons tooth? By the time that lands, the ranger would have shot 6 arrows, hitting 20k total with spamming hit shortbow #1.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

zencow.3651:

The real problem is it requires a knowledgeable player to exploit the damage traits. Most eles seem to be of the support notion so few of them make the zerker leap, let alone the trait stacking leap. Regular eles like to play support or just what they run to WvW cos PvE ez doesn’t matter how fast you finish dungeons mentality.

Maybe that’s because every time a newbie comes by asking how to build their ele for DPS everyone just goes “LMAO ELE HAS NO DPS ROLL WARRIOR LOOK HERE’S A SCREENCAP OF MY WARRIOR’S HB”.

Go ahead and post your HB picture now and get it out of the way.

While you are at it, go ahead and post a picture of Dragon’s tooth hitting anything other than a mob.

ghaleon.2861:

silvermember, Did you played GW1? Because all you GW2 fan boys talk kitten about GW1 and you never really played it. So how the kitten can you really give an opinion without experiencing both games? You probably were 10 years old when Gw1 came out.

Actually, I did play guild wars 1, is just that I am not completely ignorant of its flaws or I choose not to ignore its flaws, like others seem to be. I just don’t let tinted glasses get in the way of my thinking. My experience with PvP wasn’t too positive as a result of the wall created by players which made new or casual pvpers, non existent, take that for whatever it means to you.

with that said, I am not particularly a guild wars 2 fan either, I play this game simply because there is nothing better atm (EQN I haven’t played, blade and soul CN stuck in CBT, Wildstar and ESO, I have played one of them and it makes me appreciative of gw2), so i m stuck here, but I digress.

The point is that except for elementalst current standing, I don’t blindly complain. I try to be rational and realistic, that might come across as fanboy to someone whose opinion’s differ from mine.

ghaleon.2861:

Darnis.4056:

I think a lot of people still suffer from the delusion that gw1 was esports.
Gw1 was esports like Jai alai is a mainstream sport.

Truth is there’s more nostalgia then merit, but most people who played gw1 will always say it’s pvp system was better.

Gw1 PvP was superior in everyway. I don’t know if you ever played Gw1, but as an x GW1 top player I can tell you that Gw1 was the best PvP I’ve ever experienced in an MMO. I still know a lot of people that still play Gw1 just because of the PvP. I don’t think you ever played Gw1, because you wouldn’t be saying that.

i feel like everyone that like guild wars 1 PvP was someone a top player on this forum. And supposedly being a top player in a previous game is suppose to give some credence to their statement, which ultimately doesn’t.

NevirSayDie.6235:

dreztina.4820:

Brew Pinch.5731:

Different teams.

Calm down.

I’m always amazed people are gullible enough to believe devs when they give the whole ‘different teams so no conflict!’ spiel. The devs have mentioned many times being hindered by the fact that they need people who are shared among all the teams. There may be specific teams for different parts of the game, but they don’t do jack kitten without the people that work on all areas, and guess which area gets most of their focus? And that’s not even taking into account the fact that, while there may be different teams, it doesn’t mean the teams are equal in size or scope.

It’s not that the different teams never share any time or resources—it’s overcoming jealousy. Of course the PvE team is bigger than the PvP or WvW team. We keep asking Anet to make horrible business decisions because we’re jealous of all the updates PvE gets for some reason, and then we’re shocked and offended when Anet doesn’t listen.

A lot of players tend to ignore that critical aspect, games are a business. If I was running Arenanet, I would do the same thing from a business standpoint. PvPers make a very small subset of the gamers that play MMORPG, even in gw1, a game originally designed to be a PvP focus game, eventually became a PvE game because that is where the money is at.

Gw series hasn’t been PvP focus since almost immediately after gw1 release. Over time, it got progressively PvE focus because they can monetize it. The way gw2 is setup makes it extremely hard to monetize stuff and if they did, you know the QQ would be out of this world.

PvE (more players = more money, easier to develop with designer tools)>WvW (allows an alternate method for some PvEers for endgame, generates less money)>spvp (generates no money, requires more work, has very little amount of players, players never really happy). Personally, if i was in charge of Arenanet, I would have pulled an old yellow on it.

Zelyhn.8069:

Or Kodiak would yell something along the lines of:
Let me join my zerg the way I want!
Don’t impose a fight on me!
Let’s wave our arms around and pretend to fight, no one can tell we are dealing no damage to each other anyway!

You will probably try to LH him to death right? Or use FGS. then be shocked once you get stream rolled and wonder but I thought the ele had the highest dps

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

Well from my experience thus far, the elementalist is the hardest profession I’ve leveled.

Then when you hit 80 and try anything PvP related (hiding beyind a zerg doesn’t count) it goes back to be impossible.

When you stop crying.