My warrior dies a lot more than my ele in WvW, provides poorer support, significantly less healing, significantly less CC, and gets less bags. No, you didn’t read that backwards. The higher damage output and armor rating doesn’t make up for the lack of everything else outside of PvE.
That being said I’ll gladly take some free buffs.
I dont want to make a case for anything but more toughness + health + 3k shout healing (buffed in patch notes lol) + hammer stun. And this with more dps and easyer play xD
(i dont even own an ele, was searching around if i should make one after maining a guardian for 6+ months. but after some feedback around here and ingame its not gonna happen.)
The forums aren’t the place to look for elementalist advice or reasonable opinions about the profession. It’s been doom and gloom from day 1. The ability to absorb damage that you can’t avoid is only one piece of the puzzle.
I totally agree, this forum are for people that actually play or participate in a format that requires that grey matter between your skull. Not for PvEers looking to maximize dps because arenanet cant think of a way to make interesting encounters.
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Yes, pure deathmatch won’t work very well outside of like 2v2 or 3v3 which could be fun/interesting.
But deathmatch with objectives is there it’s at.
Conquest is more like objectives with some killing.
So another mode were elementalist will definitely suck? So excited about the prospect of new game modes, just imagine all the new types of fail the elementalist is about to experience.
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This also confirms that the leaked patch notes are incomplete.
This confirms that most of the things on the patch notes were right, it was also inferred by jon, that the only thing missing from the patch notes were buffs for the shield conjure weapon.
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it’s funny how that support principle only seems applicable the the elementalist.
oh well.
I hope that OBT for blade and soul starts soon, that should keep me going for a month then watch dogs get release and I can just spend my time playing the multiplayer.
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I’m sure if my class just got a bunch of buffs again I would post something like this too.
I guess I’ll wait my turn, in the mean time I’ll continue being cynical. =p
I would probably be saying the same kitten he was saying IF the elementalist was buffed in a insignficant way e.g. increase healing on a bad weapon and buffs on conjure IS NOT a buff, it is just making crap less crap.
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That isn’t a buff… Now your meteor showers will now deal 10k dmg instead of 20k.
I don’t think this change will affect meteor shower at all in practise.
So you are saying that buffing a skill that pretty much has no advantage to using is suppose to be a buff? Buffing crap, doesn’t change it from being crap. If they had rework the skills to reward you for using them that would be nice, unfortunately the buff skill punishes you for using them.
There is almost no reason to ever take a conjure (non elite or even elite) with you in PvP, you lose access to all your skills and get stuck with mediocre skills.
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Glass is not the right word for eles who do this. Glass is for classes who have more than the lowest base health and armour. Eles are wet paper.
Wet paper is stronger than dry paper depending on the type of paper aka some class have an advantage/strong depending on the class they fight, the elementalist lack any of that attributes.
They are more akin to the guy that brings a sword to a gun fight. Technically, the sword can kill anybody just like a gun, but the gun has the advantage in almost everything else that matters.
Indiana Jones Vs Sword guy.
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If these patch notes are true, there are very few gameplay changes that will impact PvP. Warrior/Necro remains completely intact and no classes were equipped with tools to affect the meta.
There are some nice points such as UI changes , tab targeting, and improvements to engi/ele but overall the patch is really underwhelming.
Looks like another month of negativity PvP.
Did you just seriously call the “buffs” to conjures, which are arguably the most worthless skill type the elementalist have except the elite, and a little bit of healing on a mediocre PvP weapons an improvement?
That is not an improvement, that is an insult.
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After this the elementalist is going to be more awesomer. I am so excited that I want to cry. These changes make me so happy and glad I am playing an elementalist.
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They are promising quality of life improvements in october. Lets see
again? maybe i has a bad memory but so far they are promising some stuff every stog what gets repeated the next and the next.
pick the first stog video on the guru-channel on twitch and u will be amused how similar it is with the last one if u skip the balancing stuff.
Anet is a lot o fthings, but I don’t think they ever talk about stuff UNLESS it is ready. At best the only thing they will says is they are working on it, which is a code for “we probably are not working on it or we have TOP MEN on it.”
i hope u reread ur comment.. so u basicly say im right. i always hear “we are working on it” or “we are discussing it”
i know unless there comes a newslater with a subliminial self prise nothing will change.
You can argue it’s different all you want to. But as the people actually DOING the work, you’re wrong. Nice theory crafting though!
We have 3 major factors impacting all work we do for balance: time, scope (the amount of balance work we have to do), and resources (in this case, available work hours). All 3 of these pull from a finite pool of resources, and all 3 have direct causal relationships. If you increase scope (do more splitting of skills), then you can increase scope. Period. This means you’re now putting more stress on the other 2 pieces of this puzzle: time and resources. You’ve made more work. So until we extend the normal day to 26 or 27 hours, or put more days in the year (which isn’t going to happen with the earth’s current distance from the sun and rotation) it’s simply not going to happen, or it’s going to degrade the quality of work you DO get out of your hours.
And it’s more work to balance the game types differently. It still takes time to implement those changes. It doesn’t save time just by not worrying about how the changes will impact the various game types.
How about: Hire more people.
If you guys really sold 3.5 million copies, you guys must have at least 10% of the sales in cash reserves remaining. That should be enough to hire 10-15 more developers for at least another year.
They are hiring people. Just mainly for the game mode that actually brings in the money.
mmh by some odd reason i was thinking not the gamemode brings the money, the state of the mode. or will u argument pve in a state like pvp would bring in money?
at some point the milking of pve has reached it max before looking greedy. so a good manager knows what potential income can be generated elsewhere in the game. with your logic anet needs to implement another mmo before maximizing the full potential of gw2 cause some odd ppl thinks the gamer plays the game before it gets polished..
by the way why they even implement games without knowing it will selled how much. why we dont send all gaming companies a procent of our salary to be sure they start working on something we might be wanna use at some point?
your logic is total wrong.. thinking the egg came before the hen
“if u build it they will come”
They don’t have to milk PvE which they are not actually doing at all, for the most part. They simply have to release new skins and players generally will pay for it and it doesn’t require any programming whatsoever, but simply designers tools (which they probably do).
Anyways, you are wrong in A LOT of ways:
1. the type of people that generally PvP are far less likely to spend money on the cash shop to buy gems.
2. They are more ways to monetize PvE without having to spend significant amount of resources. They are very few ways to monetize PvP, short of the player buying a game box.
3. They are more players in PvE than PvP, no matter how good your PvP is. gw1 had everything a PvP players would dream of, but the thing that kept the game up was the PvE.
“if you build it, they will come” only works if they are no competition around. However, they are a lot of different games that players can get their pvP fix on AND they is no guarantee that those players that you hope to get will even come back.
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Format is your friend, it makes anything more readable.
Why don’t you ask her? Or maybe the people she was fighting were noobs?
The question is did she kill anybody because if she didn’t kill any of them, I feel like she was just stacking vitality and toughness and all defensive skills. Which while nice and a good distraction doesn’t really do much on its own.
From your story is sounds like she was at least deep into water since water allows one to cleanse conditions just by attuning into water, using the skills and applying regen to remove conditions.
Your story doesn’t really say much, because it could be a lot of reasons why she survived.
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Just playing an elementalist puts you at a disadvantage 90.9% of the time, I imagine playing glass cannon would up it up to 99.9%. The 0.1% is from your laughing at the free kill and under estimating you.
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hmm easy kill its in the in t3 section as you can see… and im talk from my personal experience as mostly a warrior and a guardian. Maybe my list suks from another point of view/class
But I am putting the elementalist in a special category.
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You can argue it’s different all you want to. But as the people actually DOING the work, you’re wrong. Nice theory crafting though!
We have 3 major factors impacting all work we do for balance: time, scope (the amount of balance work we have to do), and resources (in this case, available work hours). All 3 of these pull from a finite pool of resources, and all 3 have direct causal relationships. If you increase scope (do more splitting of skills), then you can increase scope. Period. This means you’re now putting more stress on the other 2 pieces of this puzzle: time and resources. You’ve made more work. So until we extend the normal day to 26 or 27 hours, or put more days in the year (which isn’t going to happen with the earth’s current distance from the sun and rotation) it’s simply not going to happen, or it’s going to degrade the quality of work you DO get out of your hours.
And it’s more work to balance the game types differently. It still takes time to implement those changes. It doesn’t save time just by not worrying about how the changes will impact the various game types.
How about: Hire more people.
If you guys really sold 3.5 million copies, you guys must have at least 10% of the sales in cash reserves remaining. That should be enough to hire 10-15 more developers for at least another year.
They are hiring people. Just mainly for the game mode that actually brings in the money.
As u know im pro. ~Tomonobu Itagaki
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They are promising quality of life improvements in october. Lets see
again? maybe i has a bad memory but so far they are promising some stuff every stog what gets repeated the next and the next.
pick the first stog video on the guru-channel on twitch and u will be amused how similar it is with the last one if u skip the balancing stuff.
Anet is a lot o fthings, but I don’t think they ever talk about stuff UNLESS it is ready. At best the only thing they will says is they are working on it, which is a code for “we probably are not working on it or we have TOP MEN on it.”
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PvE is made using tools created, so it is quicker.
PvP generally involves programming and a A LOT More testing for some definition of balance.
Look at skyhammer, people are complaining that it is not fair, but in PvE that wouldn’t have been an issue. So designers NOT programs can go all out, while they cant do that in PvP and WvW.
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Or instead of that, ur boss could hire more dudes and do it (honestly, if i were ur boss i would do the same, no point in wasting too much resources in spvp).
What i think is bad for the game and avoidable is that balance is done 80% of the time with spvp in mind, when it’s the least played and the balance of pve or wvw is way way worst.
Honestly, what does PvE need balance with. Almost anything is effective given experience and time.
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No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!
Complexity makes the class hard to balance and un-fun for new players.
too bad for you E-sport isn’t about new players.
Complexity is what allows a high skill ceilling.
the class was build around the idea of 4 attunements: deal with it.
or go back to the warrior forums where you posted overpowered suggestions.
Too bad because what the OP said is exactly how Arenanet is treating the classes.
Ranger more control over pet is bad because players are no able to handle it.
Elementalist: most of them only stay in 1 attunement.
This is what the devs think of the classes.
So what he said is true. The elementalist needs to be able to stand on it own with only 2 attunement, but reward players that masters all the atunements. Right we are punished for having 3 other attunements, with high cd and low damage. The other attunements are not even doing what they are suppose to be. Fire was suppose to be AOE damage, water healing, air high single target damage and earth defensive skills.
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I understand that, and I might have to clarify my post a little bit.
I used hyperboles on purpose because sometimes they help people shake their minds(sometimes it does the exact opposite, it’s a risk I had to take).
Now for the facts, indeed ANet never claimed that GW2 PvP will be the messiah of PvP, but it was advertised for something better than what it was.
Better, good or great are all based on opinion. To me personally, guild wars 2 PvP has the potential to be better than most other MMORPGs that I have played (I played guild wars 1 but I couldn’t do anything more than RA and RA was only fun If you were lucky enough to get a monk on your team, due to the culture in gw1 I was locked out of most PvP game modes during my time in gw1). I like the pick up and play nature of the game.
I am not saying guild wars 2 isn’t lacking because it is. Personally, I think it is bad form to make an argument entirely around marketing material, the goal of marketing is to present your product as the best there is and on unproveable statements. They are other things that makes PvP kind of kittenty for me personally, the biggest is the fact that that the elementalist is a disappointment and if I can’t PvP with my elementalist I aint bothering to PvP.
ADDED: not knocking you for using hyperboles, essentially that is all I do on the elementalist forum, I feel like it makes a somewhat horrible situation much more bearable.
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Letting you guys know I’m still reading this thread.[…]
Only that in our case the parents are a multi-million company that has advertised a game as the new messiah of PvP and it does so little for it, while it delivered almost nothing at start(outside of the awesome combat mechanics)..
Now you are just using hyperbole.
I might have a lot of issues with this game, but at least try not to make up stuff. Hyperboles don’t get response and if you are an elementalist you don’t get any response, but I digress.
Arenanet never claimed guild wars 2 PvP will be the messiah of PvP, it is better that most MMORPG PvP, but they never claimed it would be the messiah or anything on a divine or godly level. They have said they aim to be an esport, notice how they never set a timetable or even if it will actually happen, because they is not certain it will ever be that way.
Now, Arenanet might be a multimillion dollar company, but it is a company out to make money, which means resources are limited by that aka they don’t have infinite resources especially on a format that has very little ways to generate income. Again, resources are never infinite other considerations need to be made AND if Arenanet can afford to spend more money they need a reason to justify it and pvp doesn’t generate enough income to justify it, it just seems to suck it.
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Well the majority of ele players are only here till a better game comes out. We just have nothing else to do at the moment which is the only reason why we’re still hoping they fix things. They have until EQnext and the English version of PSO2 is out before I get tired of it and just throw in the towel and move on to a game with a balance team that hopefully has atleast half a brain between them all. I’ve kind of given up hope though since they’re extremely biased when it comes to balancing the game. One of the devs mains a warrior and the other was walking around on a necro before. Oh and look which 2 classes are the current super OP kings of the game right now! GASP How shocking! Such a coincidence!
this is extremely true.
personally i am just waiting for eqnext or wildstar, unless they seriously fix the ele on all sides (not just D/D -.-) i won’t ever touch gw2 and only have bad things to say about their balance after that :/ sad sad anet
I don’t claim to know your taste, EQnext I got no idea, wildstar I would be a little wary if I was you. Take it for whatever it means.
I waiting for blade and soul CN beta. It might be chinese and I can’t speak or read it but it will be different enought to hold me till november 25.
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pLaying an elementalist is not viable. Except in PvE.
Actually, you could level up Wvw as an ele if:
1. always with a zerg and stay back and use staff.
2. if you are never alone.
3. If you have the patience to be fodder to every class.
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I’d love more pet control, But Anet seems to think that if you give players to many buttons to push they somehow will be in trouble, even though most suggestions actually just use the same number of buttons that we currently use.
A lot of the problem with Rangers and the “appearing” to spam just 1 button (even though there are plenty of classes that do this) is the fact the damage on most of our abilities is actually less then auto attack or equal.
Take Shortbow, Up until recently it was a bloody DPS loss to use anything other then auto attack in that line, They finally increased the damage of those abilities to be equal to Auto Attack. But still, we’re left with an Evade that we don’t wanna just spam, and a Stun that we don’t wanna just spam.
The original intent of the first skill was to be your main source of damage WHILE the other skills were to be used less frequently but critically. There is no reason to use concussion shot for example, as a damage skill, or quick shot. Theoretically, they were meant to be skills you only used as at critical time.
That is how the game WAS designed, unfortunately given how fast and pace the game has become or deviated, it is better just to use your skills as soon as they leave CD.
Personally, I think Arenanet should return to that original premise instead of the spammy spammy spammy 1-5, we currently have.
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3) Read Kodiak’s post about options then shut up and pick one, this whining is pointless.
Unfortunantely this is the internet, and it´s been shown time and time again that vocal and constant whining makes things happen (see mass effect and xbone debacles) where rational conversation is just easy to ignore.
As a playstation fan, I wish the xbox had stuck to its guns and fail, there by making the ps4 the lead platform for all multi-platform games.
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1) Kodiak you are probably the most intelligent person on this forum page
2)Nikinella: We get that you played ele first, we get that you know it left, right, up, down, and every other direction known to man. Good for you, i do too, quit comparing it to the warrior and then bragging about warrior prowess, cause no one cares.
3) Read Kodiak’s post about options then shut up and pick one, this whining is pointless.
1. What Kodiak said is true, but what he did not say is that it took an EXTREMELY LONG time for them to do an overhaul of the class, by that time it was done, the game was on downwards spiral. What make this different from guild wars 1, is the fact that Anet supposedly wants to make this an esport, so there is a certain urgency when compared to 1. So if a classes are not up to par, some are extremely stronger, some the AI does most of the work for you then there is a problem (beyond the scope of this topic).
2. I agree, him claiming other elementalist feel the same way is as him is extremely hyperbole and serves no purpose. The truth is players are going to leave whenever a new MMO comes out, they isn’t anything inheriently wrong with it. People are going to get bored and move on, personally after dumping 1000 hours here something new and different is going to be a nice change of pace.
3. Complaining about someone complaining is the same complaining.
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Yeah, using the same build for 12 months now because it is still the best build is totally fine for game that promotes build diversity in all classes.
I agree with the spirit but not your logic. Time has nothing to do with build diversity. If a build is still good even for 2 years then it is still good, if they are other options.
The problem with that build is the fact that it is one of only 2 builds that are the bEST we can have, but in reality are slightly below average when compared to other classes.
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I also heard earth 4 is getting a rework b/c it is “terrible.”
If they fixed air 2’s cast time and air 3’s projectile speed, staff could actually be a complete weapon. It would still have its limitations, but wouldn’t be so hobbled.
Doing those things are not enough.
I suppose the lackluster speed of the 1 skills+ the extreme delay for most of the AOE are not a problem? overall the lack of damage with the skills and the price to use them.
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Going for staff next I think, I’m loving having reasons to do JPs/Dungeons/Bosses – I’ve actually been so much more sociable since Ascended weapons came out – if nothing else I’d like to say a big THANK YOU to ANet for giving us something which is bringing people together, and giving us new friends
In order to do this as cheaply as possible, I farmed all the materials I needed manually + extra pre-patch. I then was able to sell the extra to buy the 4 or 5 extra spiritwood planks I needed.
EDIT: Yes I’ve played since Beta and still not killed Zhaitan. Bwahaha.
I played since beta never killed him as well, I waiting until it gets fixed for the chinese release.
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Nice theory crafting though!
