Guild Wars 2

The only way to suck at being an elementalist is to NOT play it and wait for Arenanet to actually do something about the mediocre hp, unneccesary high CD(s), converting conjures into kits, removing dependence on Water/arcane, fixing the fire traits, reducing the cast time/activation time for scepter&staff skill such as dragon’s too, fixing Churning Earth, making each attuenement actually represent a different style.

But since all of that requires work and I know how Arenanet is averse to actually doing any real work, just reroll to any other class until Arenanet mans up and or looking at guild wars 1 just wait 6 years when the class eventually gets overhauled.

Blaine Tog.8304:

silvermember.8941:

Blaine Tog.8304:

silvermember.8941:

Ty, It is an art. He wanted an honest answer and i gave him one. Don’t get mad at me for being honest.

Many people confuse “being honest” with “being an kitten.” You, sir, are one of them.

@ the OP: Go use Ether Renewel. That should pretty much answer your question.

You are free to say what you want, but you remind me of that coyote from road runner that thought holding an umbrella while a boulder was falling from the sky will protect him.

Or an ostrich that thinks sticking it’s head into the ground will somehow protect it.

And thus, my point is proved for me.

Aw, couldn’t think of anything clever, huh?

waka.9826:

Eviscerate.

ty for listening men

I would argue the ele staff.

It is slow activating, extremely telegraphed, average damage, makes melee useful. The only flaws are the fact that the game is designed to be spammy and fast space (again spammy) and dodging is free cheap.

I think every class skill to some degree should operate like the elementalist staff skills.

They are all telegraph, they give enough time for the player to react. All but one of the skills are instant cast unavoidable damage skill. Most their rate of projectiles are slow enough that even a blind man can dodge. Obviously, reduce the rate of endurance regeneration.

get rid of all instant cast damage skill, but make certain CC skills instant cast but put them up on a long CD, to reward smart play while punishing mindless spamming. If skill gets interrupted by CC put the skill on a longer CD.

This might sound a little extreme but except for self healing skills make all support skills automatically apply to up to a max of 5 allies and actually make it rewarding to share the wealth. Aka u shouldn’t need power aura for example to share auras with your team makes. Cross profession combo suck and require too much setting up in a combat system that is way too fast. But what do I know.

Blaine Tog.8304:

silvermember.8941:

Ty, It is an art. He wanted an honest answer and i gave him one. Don’t get mad at me for being honest.

Many people confuse “being honest” with “being an kitten.” You, sir, are one of them.

@ the OP: Go use Ether Renewel. That should pretty much answer your question.

You are free to say what you want, but you remind me of that coyote from road runner that thought holding an umbrella while a boulder was falling from the sky will protect him.

Or an ostrich that thinks sticking it’s head into the ground will somehow protect it.

Scrambles.2604:

silvermember.8941:

Scrambles.2604:

silvermember.8941:

Theoretically, yes.

But in reality more like sokka if you PvP or do anything non AI related.

Congrats, you managed to squeeze some QQ out of the most innocuous of threads.

Ty, It is an art. He wanted an honest answer and i gave him one. Don’t get mad at me for being honest. Besides if we QQ enough I am sure we can get a developer response.

Besides, I was just like him thinking,yes, the elementalist is the the avatar and it was for a little while then it became sokka (supposedly worst than sokka since sokka at least gets the girl and a space boomerang, while the elementalist has the honor of being fish food for every other class).

being a debbie downer isn’t going to get a dev response.

Did you know that guy recently won a noble prize for showing that cursing is actually good for you? It supposedly has relaxing effect on the person.

The point being that QQing about it makes the pain less painful, a dev response is just a bonus in this case.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

silvermember.8941:

Glenstorm.4059:

DiogoSilva.7089:

silvermember.8941:

See that is a problem. To be average, you have to use a gimmicky build and if you are not a fan of fresh air well you are pretty much left to play with your action figures.

Welcome to every single profession in gw2. Gimmick spirit rangers, gimmick stun-lock warriors, gimmick condi-burst necros, etc.

That beind said, you don’t need fresh air at all, unless you’re using focus. You can go for a s/d build with more points in water/ arcana.

Will (non-bunker) D/D become viable again? Will staff? I’m not trying to be mean; I’m still new ish to SPvP and I’m legitimately wondering.

For the staff they already said that not all weapons are meant to be viable in every mode in the game (it was a direct respond about the staff).

So where is the Staff meant to be used then? to me it seems like anything less then zergs and spamming AoE it is useless…

You gotta ask the Jon #1 since he is the lead game design guy. He said it.

Scrambles.2604:

silvermember.8941:

Theoretically, yes.

But in reality more like sokka if you PvP or do anything non AI related.

Congrats, you managed to squeeze some QQ out of the most innocuous of threads.

Ty, It is an art. He wanted an honest answer and i gave him one. Don’t get mad at me for being honest. Besides if we QQ enough I am sure we can get a developer response.

Besides, I was just like him thinking,yes, the elementalist is the the avatar and it was for a little while then it became sokka (supposedly worst than sokka since sokka at least gets the girl and a space boomerang, while the elementalist has the honor of being fish food for every other class).

Glenstorm.4059:

DiogoSilva.7089:

silvermember.8941:

See that is a problem. To be average, you have to use a gimmicky build and if you are not a fan of fresh air well you are pretty much left to play with your action figures.

Welcome to every single profession in gw2. Gimmick spirit rangers, gimmick stun-lock warriors, gimmick condi-burst necros, etc.

That beind said, you don’t need fresh air at all, unless you’re using focus. You can go for a s/d build with more points in water/ arcana.

Will (non-bunker) D/D become viable again? Will staff? I’m not trying to be mean; I’m still new ish to SPvP and I’m legitimately wondering.

For the staff they already said that not all weapons are meant to be viable in every mode in the game (it was a direct respond about the staff).

DiogoSilva.7089:

silvermember.8941:

See that is a problem. To be average, you have to use a gimmicky build and if you are not a fan of fresh air well you are pretty much left to play with your action figures.

Welcome to every single profession in gw2. Gimmick spirit rangers, gimmick stun-lock warriors, gimmick condi-burst necros, etc.

That beind said, you don’t need fresh air at all, unless you’re using focus. You can go for a s/d build with more points in water/ arcana.

Except that I hate arcana and water then what?

DiogoSilva.7089:

They’re not going to buff ele’s best builds for pvp, certainly. They’ll nerf the condition meta instead, which is what’s holding air-burst eles back. Elementalists are very strong in pvp, but overshadowed by this meta, because their healing/ protection/ burst is countered by a meta driven by defensive condition builds and weakness/protection/poison.

See that is a problem. To be average, you have to use a gimmicky build and if you are not a fan of fresh air well you are pretty much left to play with your action figures.

I was having a hard time going back to sleep because I was feeling restless, but after reading chap’s comments I laughed and a few minutes later fell asleep.

Theoretically, yes.

But in reality more like sokka if you PvP or do anything non AI related.

Kicking kitten and smiling as an elementalist only to sadly realize was a dream and forcing yourself to wake up from it.

MikaHR.1978:

silvermember.8941:

xephire.8324:

silvermember.8941:

MikaHR.1978:

silvermember.8941:

JK Arrow.7102:

silvermember.8941:

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You just draw a line little higher than some of us.

But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.

You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.

There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.

If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.

To you its worth it.To others nope…………

To those they quit or QQ on the forum or deal with it.

Given that this is an MMORPG forum, QQ will be the chosen route which comes with feeling better about yourself instead of moving on like an adult and a little of a circle jerking.

If you dont like the forums dont participate and move on.

Adult person would do that instead whining about it.

The only thing worse than QQing is QQing about QQing.

I don’t particularly hate the forums, so your point is well pointless.

Also you should learn the difference between whining and complaining.

however, I might take your advice and won’t bother with the main discussion threads. After all it is full of players that can’t simply accept that Arenanet is appealing to an different AND BIGGER audience than them. Nothing more fun to watch that desperate MMO players.

Anyways, have fun with ascended gears or the QQ about Ascended gear or quitting and not moving on.

xephire.8324:

silvermember.8941:

MikaHR.1978:

silvermember.8941:

JK Arrow.7102:

silvermember.8941:

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snip.

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You just draw a line little higher than some of us.

But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.

You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.

There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.

If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.

To you its worth it.To others nope…………

To those they quit or QQ on the forum or deal with it.

Given that this is an MMORPG forum, QQ will be the chosen route which comes with feeling better about yourself instead of moving on like an adult and a little of a circle jerking.

xephire.8324:

silvermember.8941:

MikaHR.1978:

Viking Jorun.5413:

MikaHR.1978:

Viking Jorun.5413:

There won’t be another gear set. Here’s why: see the image below? That’s a CMYK color wheel. ANet starts their gear out with Cyan, moves to Green? Then Yellow, Red (actually a red-orange), Magenta (ascended), and blue (which is actually blue-violet AKA Legendaries). They’ve got both the primary and secondary colors, and now there’s nothing else to add.

..Thus ends this terrible argument that there will be any kind of gear treadmill. You can see from the gap at launch, which was missing magenta, that ascended gear was planned far before launch during the initial colorizing of gearsets.

Ill bet you next tier will be teal

So you’re saying that there will be a tier above legendary? Not likely.

Well, until level cap they will just raise legendary to new stats just like ascended. They made legendaries tradable for a reason. Imagine how much $$ is potentionally 1 legendary worth

you keep saying ppl buy legendaries do you have any numbers to back up the claim or it is one of those things players say to make themselves feel better?

In games like path of exile where an idiot pays up to 10k just to design an in game item.I wouldnt be surprise there will be quite a number of people buying legendaries in this game.

DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS? this isn’t about what some random person does.

BTW I am not denying the possibility that someone hasn’t bought a legendary. But for the amount of QQ you guys seem to making about ALL those potentially gemadary (gem bought legendary) buyers, you would think it means a lot of the legendary owners bought theirs and it seems you have no evidence to support that claim.

MikaHR.1978:

Viking Jorun.5413:

MikaHR.1978:

Viking Jorun.5413:

There won’t be another gear set. Here’s why: see the image below? That’s a CMYK color wheel. ANet starts their gear out with Cyan, moves to Green? Then Yellow, Red (actually a red-orange), Magenta (ascended), and blue (which is actually blue-violet AKA Legendaries). They’ve got both the primary and secondary colors, and now there’s nothing else to add.

..Thus ends this terrible argument that there will be any kind of gear treadmill. You can see from the gap at launch, which was missing magenta, that ascended gear was planned far before launch during the initial colorizing of gearsets.

Ill bet you next tier will be teal

So you’re saying that there will be a tier above legendary? Not likely.

Well, until level cap they will just raise legendary to new stats just like ascended. They made legendaries tradable for a reason. Imagine how much $$ is potentionally 1 legendary worth

you keep saying ppl buy legendaries do you have any numbers to back up the claim or it is one of those things players say to make themselves feel better?

MikaHR.1978:

silvermember.8941:

JK Arrow.7102:

silvermember.8941:

snip

snip.

snip

You just draw a line little higher than some of us.

But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.

You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.

There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.

If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.

JK Arrow.7102:

silvermember.8941:

What YOU don’t understand is that the majority of players seem to want some form of gear progression or stuff to work on. The most important thing YOU fail to understand is, they gave you a year to come to terms with it, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. No amount of forum QQ from a very small and insignificant subset of gamers that cling to a idealogy that the greater market rejected is going to change that.

Arenanet made a big open game and thought players were going to enjoy it and that was proven wrong within the first week WHEN players like myself rushed to 80 and a few others continously ran all the dungeons got their rewards and start complaining about the lack of ENDGAME (well I mainly rushed for money and WvW reasons). These are all facts you cannot deny.

The current trajectory is a different than what Arenanet anticipated, but it is the nature of making a mass market product. You either adopt or go out of business clingying to a idealogy that has proven unsustainable in the market you are attempting to compete in and they choose the adult

tl;dr

YOU fail to understand that complaining on the forum is not going to change the reality that ascended gear is going. They gave you 1 year to accept this inevitability.

all you can do is provide suggestions that steer them from the way you acquire ascended gear, but make no mistake it is coming. You either accept it or quit.

You admit to being a content locust and then defend the decision to add vertical progression. I don’t mean to be rude but you are the type of player that GW2 was attempting to change the mindset of.

And I think you underestimate the numbers of players that are the opposite type of player than you are. The minority speaking up about ascended is not just a handful of players.

Actually, I don’t admit to being a content locus I made a conscious decision based on WvW. A content locus is someone who burns though content and demand more, I haven’t even gone through half the content. Still havent done legendary (wont), havent done dungeons, doesn’t grind for anything except recently doing QG and invasions. My biggest issues are all pvp related anyways.

Actually, I hate gear based games my reason for burning through content was for another game mode, but i am not naive enough to delude myself into thinking everyone else does. I quit a lot MMO because they became work and guild wars 2 will follow that path if I deem it so, but I don’t react based on speculation nor do I care enough about alts to worry about them.

While you might be right that I am underestimating the players that hate vertical progression, you wrong that they are sufficient enough to sustain the game at the level Arenanet deems it so. hence why they have been improving rewards, hence why they added fractures, hence why are adding ascended gear.

Anyways, ultimately the difference between me and you is I don’t inherently hate vertical progression, I do hate it IF it is infinite and requires constant changing and guild wars 2 doesnt. I especially hate it when content requires keeping up with vertical progression and guild wars 2 doesn’t fit that bill, YET.

Lafiel.9372:

What most of the people are underestimating and what some other players are not is that this is a first step. If anet pulls this off, that’s it. They know they can do this and that they can do it again. The first step is the hardest but if you give in then it’s all over. Next up, 2014, transcended gear! Level progression!

What YOU don’t understand is that the majority of players seem to want some form of gear progression or stuff to work on. The most important thing YOU fail to understand is, they gave you a year to come to terms with it, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. No amount of forum QQ from a very small and insignificant subset of gamers that cling to a idealogy that the greater market rejected is going to change that.

Arenanet made a big open game and thought players were going to enjoy it and that was proven wrong within the first week WHEN players like myself rushed to 80 and a few others continously ran all the dungeons got their rewards and start complaining about the lack of ENDGAME (well I mainly rushed for money and WvW reasons). These are all facts you cannot deny.

The current trajectory is a different than what Arenanet anticipated, but it is the nature of making a mass market product. You either adopt or go out of business clingying to a idealogy that has proven unsustainable in the market you are attempting to compete in and they choose the adult

tl;dr

YOU fail to understand that complaining on the forum is not going to change the reality that ascended gear is going. They gave you 1 year to accept this inevitability.

all you can do is provide suggestions that steer them from the way you acquire ascended gear, but make no mistake it is coming. You either accept it or quit.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Same with Mesmer i think as well. For all the utility they have, mostly wasted in S/TPvP and get crushed by any condition build and needs to have a defender with them to keep them alive

Condition damage is too much and too brainless

MandJ.8965:

No Reaction from mods or something like that? Really sad..

Why would they react, you might not like it but they are part of the discussion and doesn’t go against the rules. Your topic isn’t very conducive to a good discussion, considering the amount of hyperbole your topic is full of.

(I don’t particularly enjoy the thought of ascended gear, but I also know that a lot of players wanted something to “work” on and I also know that guild wars 1(the game players on the forum tend to hold with great esteem was way more grindy than this).

Xillllix.3485:

Well now they have a full year to fix that class (unnerf and boost useless skills) before the next Pax tourney.

wont they be other tournaments in between?

alcopaul.2156:

So TC > CC > SYNC > AL?

aka EU > NA?

cool story.

2 (more like 4) options.
1. Reroll and take almost any class.

OR

2. Don’t PvP until Arenanet decides that all weapons should be viable and fix all the issues with the class (highly unlikely) but don’t have to worry about meta.

3. We quit and form a super studio.

4. Pray to god and have them fire the balance dev. Too many jons in a group is bad for balance.

Fighting a thief is easy, all you have to do is yawn and let the thief kill you. Fighting back is very inefficient and a waste of time.

well we already knew that for weeks.

Mirsa.1628:

To that Haziz guy that said conjured weapons are a core mechanic.

LOL. Good joke!

I think he is confusing unique skill type to mechanics. If conjuring is a core mechanic then my name is al glover.

People claim the elementalist is bad, the worst class currently in the game, requires twice the work than every other class and it has mediocre elite, weapons skills and most useless utilities. Guess what all those things people say about the class is WRONG, the class is far worst than that.

Play other classes, you get more damage, builds, fun cool abilities and you wont be working a harder than anyone for less result.

Knote.2904:

They could’ve just made them more profitable like champ and zerg farming.

It is easier for players to exploit each other than it is for players to exploit PvE mobs. Not saying PvE is fair to WvW.

Howell Qagan.9752:

Moss.5371:

Josh Foreman.8250:

blah blah

That explains a lot. You do indeed sound sadistic, which is troubling. What’s the point of investing this much time and effort of development in content that only a handful will enjoy AND come here and brag about it? Can only be sadism. Maybe you could try to make more popular content for the people that bought your game(1), which certainly didn’t buy it expecting this.

(1) New permanent content such as areas, skills, classes, skins, dungeons.

I’ll try to follow your logic (watch out for sarcasm):
Why develop PvP when most people don’t play it, why add ascended crafting when only a handful of players “enjoy” grinding for it (haha what a joke). The list could go on with Legendaries, high level fractals and whatever else. Logic.

Do you have evidence to support your claim or are you looking at the forums that represent ONLY less than 5% of the total population? It’s easy to find people that re not happy than it is to find people that are happy.

Erebus.7568:

silvermember.8941:

Erebus.7568:

silvermember.8941:

Erebus.7568:

in my oppinion it should created a tornado as an aoe on a area, which sucks everything into it and does decent cc and high dps, with its major perk being it last a long time with the vortex (suck in) effect.

with this it would be a major thread.
people would try to avoid it.
it would add good cc.
it would add good dps.
it would add great setup for comboing other aoe’s on top of it due to vortex effect(and god knows thats a kitten needed thing :/ ).
it would look awesome, and it would feel awesome.
it would allow ele to use other skills becouse it wouldnt be a transformation but a skill, which would also mean that it wouldnt be a major handicap to use.

edit: but all the ele’s elites are laugheble bad and need major boost/changes

CC and good dps that feels OP.

I feel like reflect and ability to change into different attunement for different types of effects would be better, it keeps the class theme and it is equal in strength to similar skills (daggerstorm) and it is not OP.

it is an Ultimate.

its suppose to be op compared to normal skills.. like every other class ultimate is

Actually, no other class have great elites. But that is not the same as OP. Elites are not meant to be OP they are meant to do something big, not be OP.

call it op or big its just splitting hairs
the matter is that other classes elites are incredible powerfull compared to their normal skill.

the ele i think is the only one where the elites are actually weaker then the normal skills not stronger. if you could fill up with more then 1 elite on all other classes you would do this, on the ele if you could change your elite with a normal skill you would.

i think people have gotten so used to how kittenty the elite of the ele is that they simply cant imagine having an elite you would actually prefer to have instead of a normal skill becouse its stronger in every aspect, which other classes have at this point

You seem to be imply I think elementalist elites are great, which they are not, but that is a different story.

Elites are not meant to be OP, anything that is OP is going to be nerfed. They are suppose to do something big BUT that is not the same as being OP. Something being OP has a different implication than something doing big. Tornado will be fine if it had stability, reflected projecttiles and allow the change attunement, what you suggesting will make is too powerful and will eventually (assuming it gets implement which would be a birdbrain thing to do, nerfed).

anyways, whatever. i m done.

AlietteFaye.7316:

silvermember.8941:

AlietteFaye.7316:

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

LOL.

No people like to overreact but that is not true. maybe in 1v1 fights but the game wasn’t balance in the first place around 1v1 that is moot.

When you are sieging the biggest threat is siege weapons and zergs, in a zerg ascended weapons are not the things that will decide who wins or loses.

Fair enough, but there are several small scale fights that happen where that does turn the tides. Not every server has full queues where massive zergs are on every borderland and EB, and that effects them pretty drastically.

Small scale fights well nice are the the essense of WvW in theory. Either ways you don’t get points for individual fights but for taking stuff.

Either ways it is too early to make a judgment call because the same thing was said about Accessories and that didn’t change the playing field.

Flissy.4093:

It’s hardly an item spiral if, one year on, they still haven’t released a full set of “next tier” items.

Put this into comparison with other MMOs, who release a next level of items every few months.

An MMO with no slow incline in gear will become very stale for those who have gaming as a passion, rather than a minor hobby. AN are doing it very well, taking it slow and making it obtainable to all (except those who hole themselves up in one part of the game, which is the players problem, not ANs).

See you are being logical, but their comments are not based on logic but on hyperbole.

They already made up their minds, logic is not going to change it. Funny thing is they have known for a year it was happening but, I guess they decided to simply ignore it. And then they think a few forum post is going to change what took a year in the making.

Dual.8953:

I’m under the impression that they aren’t going beyond ascended, can someone show where they’ve stated otherwise? Not “they made ascended therefore…” As far as raw stats are concerned, this game is still largely skill based. Rares can beat exotics.

People are just being overly dramatic, welcome to the forums. They are just extrapolating based on non existent information and hyperbole.

Generally, it is done by former guild wars 1 players that tend to idealize guild wars 1 as the perfect game with no grind (which makes this game look like a kitten in terms of grinding).

AlietteFaye.7316:

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

LOL.

No people like to overreact but that is not true. maybe in 1v1 fights but the game wasn’t balance in the first place around 1v1 that is moot.

When you are sieging the biggest threat is siege weapons and zergs, in a zerg ascended weapons are not the things that will decide who wins or loses.

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

People keep saying gear treadmil but I doubt they know what it actually means. If you want to know what a gear threadmill is hit up DCUO, that makes this game look like a kitten.

I might not enjoy the ascended process but I certainly have the option of not playing the game and moving on, if I feel strongly about ascended gear.

Shifu.4321:

silvermember.8941:

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

Only the ingots from what I see in Dulfy. The REAL important ones (dragonite ore, bloodstone dust, etc.) are account bound, and can only be obtained in very specific places. Plus you need 100 each of them.

Pile of Bloodstone Dust, Account Bound (Refines into Bloodstone Bricks, requires Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Champion loot bags
Dragonite Ore, Account Bound (Refines into dragonite ingots, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from Temple chests in Orr, Megabosses, and Keeps and Castles in WvW.
Empyreal Fragments, Account Bound (Refines into Empyreal Stars, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from dungeons, mini-dungeons, jumping puzzles and camps/towers in WvW.
Glob of Dark Matter, Account Bound – Obtained only from salvaging exotics.
Augur’s Stone, Account Bound – Purchased for skill points from Miyani near the mystic forge. Costs 20 skill points.
Thermocatalytic Regeants – Brought from vendors (10 for 14 silver 96 copper)

well it sucks to be you then. (I probably wont bother just like I havent bothered with ascended gear except for 1 piece). i hope it drops for me then (which it can drop).

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

Erebus.7568:

silvermember.8941:

Erebus.7568:

in my oppinion it should created a tornado as an aoe on a area, which sucks everything into it and does decent cc and high dps, with its major perk being it last a long time with the vortex (suck in) effect.

with this it would be a major thread.
people would try to avoid it.
it would add good cc.
it would add good dps.
it would add great setup for comboing other aoe’s on top of it due to vortex effect(and god knows thats a kitten needed thing :/ ).
it would look awesome, and it would feel awesome.
it would allow ele to use other skills becouse it wouldnt be a transformation but a skill, which would also mean that it wouldnt be a major handicap to use.

edit: but all the ele’s elites are laugheble bad and need major boost/changes

CC and good dps that feels OP.

I feel like reflect and ability to change into different attunement for different types of effects would be better, it keeps the class theme and it is equal in strength to similar skills (daggerstorm) and it is not OP.

it is an Ultimate.

its suppose to be op compared to normal skills.. like every other class ultimate is

Actually, no other class have great elites. But that is not the same as OP. Elites are not meant to be OP they are meant to do something big, not be OP.

Ostra.3927:

Redscope.

You do realize Minecraft is huge right? its not some fly by little known game.

Thats like saying because GW1 didnt outsell WOW we can ignore it. GW1 outsold and out lasted 90% of the MMO games out there.

It sold 6 million copies because of the way they counted it. They essentially treated each expansion as an individual game which it isn’t AND they included Eotn in their calculations as well which also skews the numbers.

I don’t see them making such an oversight IF they are trying to time gate it.

Sir Erighan.9260:

I have know idea what you’re talking about ilr. Just like Nike implied, I’m getting more rates doing invasions. And no, DR doesn’t kick in when you map all over Tyria to farm invasions. Seriously, are we playing the same game. People are farming invasions like mad and all I see in the chat windows are people pinging all the exotics/rares that drop.

And you’re denying that material prices spiked because of the recent announcement about next Tuesday’s update? There’s no tin-foil involved; it’sa fact people are hoarding everything right now. The base materials for crafting rare weapons increase, ectos will follow…they are tied to one another and share the same market reactions. Do I need to pull up the basic market numbers to prove this point? Seems unnecessary…

Don’t bother with ilr. He might be right sometimes but most of the time he is wrong and generally full of misinformation and hyperbole.

I swear 4 ascended (equivalent to 8 weeks of work) better produce a precursor.

Lothirieth.3408:

John Kemp.2736:

I have a few friends who spent tons unlocking all of the exotic recipes even ones from special events to have that stripped of their account seems wrong. Is there any word on reimbursement to people who want to keep their discoveries even if it makes crafting from 400-500 more difficult. it sounds like this was either poorly thought out or you guys really dont like your fans.

It helps to read the blog post:

When the update goes live, the three weapon-making disciplines will find that they can now level up their crafting from 400 to 500. In order to do this, you’ll need to refine Tier 6 crafting materials and craft exotics. To facilitate this process, we have reset everyone’s Exotic weapon discoveries so that you will be able to re-discover them and get that sweet XP bonus once again.

Why read when you can QQ. It is the same during the video, players asking dumb questions when they could have easily known by simply reading the blogspot.

crafting lvl and mystic forge have no relation. Only the level of the material you put in matters.

Erebus.7568:

in my oppinion it should created a tornado as an aoe on a area, which sucks everything into it and does decent cc and high dps, with its major perk being it last a long time with the vortex (suck in) effect.

with this it would be a major thread.
people would try to avoid it.
it would add good cc.
it would add good dps.
it would add great setup for comboing other aoe’s on top of it due to vortex effect(and god knows thats a kitten needed thing :/ ).
it would look awesome, and it would feel awesome.
it would allow ele to use other skills becouse it wouldnt be a transformation but a skill, which would also mean that it wouldnt be a major handicap to use.

edit: but all the ele’s elites are laugheble bad and need major boost/changes

CC and good dps that feels OP.

I feel like reflect and ability to change into different attunement for different types of effects would be better, it keeps the class theme and it is equal in strength to similar skills (daggerstorm) and it is not OP.

I think the most awesomest New Ele build is to reroll (not the player) to any other class.

Fishbait.6723:

Another dumb move.
Time gated mats blocking players from getting top stats.
Imagine like a thief with two legend daggers, against other players with only exotics because of this time gated crap.
Worse, we can`t even buy/sell them.
What the hell is the point of a tp/crafting system where you can`t even sell the crap?

Honestly, given the current lack of value in crafting nothing really chances except that you can sell ascended materials. And exotics might actually go up since you need them to craft ascended gear.

Your thief scenario, seems more like a balance issue than a crafting issue. Based on your scenario, a thief is still going to win either ways, it wouldn’t be the ascended gear that make it so, it would be the lack of balance that makes it possible.

Honestly they should make change the weapon scaling dmg AND reduce attack spamming AND reduce damage to minimize power creep.

Traveller.7496:

So, you have to waste a 100 craft points worth or resources crafting exotics you don’t need just to get to 500? Brilliant planning. Didn’t they say they wanted to stay away from this “pointless” crafting?

It also seems to me that a huge number of T6 materials and ectos is needed, so is crafting ascended weapons only for the rich people?

You need to salvage Exotics anyways to get ascended materials. So it is not wasted. Too bad for ectoplasm.