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People did not make a mistake , that was how the game was advertised- not that it would not change but-that it would not have gear progression.
It might be somewhat easy to get exotics, more so for some than for others.
The point is that you could take your time to do so without grinding because it was supposed to be the best of the best. You could also acquire Exotics through various different avenues.
Never-mind the multiple sets for aesthetics, stats and different builds.
It gave people choices in how they played the game and for what purpose.With Ascended armor you now have to grind your kitten off to get a stat boost you might not want, just so you can do it again when the next item or Infusion comes out.
That completely defeats the purpose of the original game design.
I agree with you right now. There is only 1 way to get ascended items for those 3 slots. Totally agree.
But in just a few weeks, there will be more ways to get those same items. I bet one will be for karma, since that’s how we got exotics from Orr.
Don’t forget that we could not get power/toughness/vitality exotics from the trade post. We had to get karma for that. That’s kind of where ascended gear is right now.
In fact, I’d take bets on where the ascended gear vendor for karma is going to be. My bet is Lion’s Arch, consortium office place, that little room next to the portal.
EDIT: I just realised I’d better start saving up both karma and WvW badges. I bet once it gets announced ascended back and rings will be available for both those things, there will be a rush to accumulate them.
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Except it doesn’t. Really, you will never know if someone has ascended items vs your exotics right now, in WvW. They don’t add that much.
Exotics are a full tier of 14 itemslots above Rares.
Ascended is 3 itemslots with stats going towards agony resistance, a PVE dungeon mechanic for FOM.
11/14 of your gear remains exotics.
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They could have done the exact same thing without the gear increases and all your points would have still been valid.
Actually that is true. I agree completely.
What I’m saying I guess is that the gear increase is so minor, it doesn’t really change anything.
It provides a tiny carrot for those who want it, without actually affecting the game for those who don’t want to go for it.
The mistake people make is in thinking the game will not continue to change.
Early on, it was hard to get exotics. Because there weren’t many level 80s farming Orr, etc.
Now exotics are easy to get. You will pretty much have a full set of them waiting for you when you hit level 80.
It will be the same with ascended gear. Don’t mistake how it looks now for how it will look in just a few weeks.
Lol so at least 20% better stats than exotics is meaningless in wvwvw? Lol ok. Sorry again, but unless you enjoy being cannon fodder in wvwvw, the this Is mandatory. Try again.
It’s only 3 slots
3% total for your character.
Under that when you take traits into account.
20%+ vs exotic. It’s not minor.
It is not 20%, closer to 15%
Even if it was, that’s 3/14 slots ascended, so only a 3% increase in power.
3% is not going to change anything really. It’s enough of a carrot without being anything near an obligation.
Quaggan kid in a pirate outfit.
Would love capes (cloaks) as back items.
I bet someone could make a batman set of gear with proper choice of skins. They already did Assassins Creed guy.
The OP’s argument can be summed up thusly:
1. People are playing Fractals,
2. therefore ascended gear is okay.
Hmm, not convinced.
That’s really not what I said at all.
No you get moved to overflow areas here. You never actually get locked out of the game.
Piken Square is the RP server for europe btw.
3) So once i got a group, at some point, we seemed to be dying a lot, so i unequipped my clothes, and when i explained that i dont wanna spend that much money on that overpriced repair system, they kicked me from the party and i had to do it all over again..
Yeah.
You deserve to be kicked.
You’re asking to basically be afk while everyone else does the dungeon for you.
That’s just not on.
Try thinking about the 4 other people in your group.
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So there is a lot of complaining about the new ascended backpiece and rings. Lots of very emo people about a change that really is very minor in terms of the impact of the 3 gearslots on the game itself. No, it is not some kind of insane grind, not at all.
(On a separate note, it actually feels like some people are “grinding” the whine-o-meter on the forums, if you get my meaning.)
However, in game, I notice something very different to what is on the forums.
I see people making groups for FOM, all the time, day and night. Right now, there’s just line after line of people making groups in LA to do FOM at varying difficulty levels ranging from 1 to 6, and groups going to AC and CM explorable.
I see people talking about the new dungeon and enjoying it a lot, as it is probably the best dungeon in the game.
People are playing more. They are not running Orr for the 100,000th time. They are in fact, having fun, and feel like they’re progressing by going up the difficulty levels of FOM.
No one is talking much about their ascended items. The occasional person links an item and everyone says grats. It has no impact on WvW, and no one cares what you’re wearing when doing the new dungeon.
People wear their “FOM level” with a degree of pride. There is a sense of progression and ego, like being a hardcore raider, but it’s not about the gear: it’s about the skill in going up the levels and being a level 10+ FOM player.
But here’s the main thing.
Just consider if you will what things would be like without the FOM level, without this new sense of progression.
We would still be in Orr farming karma. Please tell me that wasn’t starting to get old, or would have gotten old by December.
We actually have been given something new to do. And we don’t need to do it, but we can – and it is fun to do. This strikes me as a very good thing.
The game is progressing, and continuing to develop and add new things.
I don’t want a stagnant game. I do not want for gear to matter, it should be a game of skill before all – and it still is. All they have done is add a bit of “dungeon level” progression for those who want to go a bit further in their PVE.
- Agony is pretty much a mechanic just to add to this sense of progression.
- Agony does not affect fights against other players in WvW. People with ascended gear will not two shot you in WvW.
- It doesn’t make people more powerful than you outside of that 1 dungeon.
They will not do 2x your dps, or fly like rockets into the sky leaving you behind. They have a tiny bit more stats on 3 item slots, and the ability to slot for agony resistance to do 1 dungeon at level 10+.
That is all that has happened. Let’s take a deep breath, put away the handbags and stop acting like children. No one came to your house and lied to you and slept with your sister.
All they did was add a new backpiece (btw it feels like that’s the “event upgrade slot”, I bet every new event has a new backpiece of some sort) and rings, and a way of progressing up the levels of a new and well designed, fun FOM dungeon, to which they can add fractals later to add even more variety.
Relax and enjoy.
Or don’t. It’s not like you’re paying a sub. Just go play something else till you cool off and want to play GW2 again, it’s not going anywhere.
Believe me, after playing WoW or Rift for a week, you’ll be wanting to return. Or go play Black Ops 2, now that is one seriously bug-ridden game. Anyway.
11/14 of your gear slots remain exotics.
Flame on!
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The game has no sub. It just goes on and you can play whenever.
If you don’t want to play right now, don’t log in. Go play something else.
If you want to play again, just double click your GW2 icon.
If you want to leave a big whiney emo post about your reasons to not want to play right now, because of course your opinion is so important we all must know about it in great detail, don’t.
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Because this isn’t a subscriber MMO
People don’t make leaving posts when they stop playing Call of Duty or LoL
Stop thinking this is emo-whineland WoW.
It is not.
People should just quietly go take a break, play other MMOs.
They will be back.
So well written
I’m a donkey
Well one part is
Simple answer.
Warriors are not overpowered.
In fact, warriors might need buffs to their utility / ability to perform a specific role.
They are tied with Rangers as lowest represented class in Tournament PVP.
Look, here’s how it is.
Yes, there’s over 150 servers running sPVP right now. The casuals are participating a lot more with the PVP daily, and that is a great thing.
However, the Tournament side of things needs a bit of TLC and more encouragement for new teams to participate.
We need ratings, a visible leaderboard, spectator mode, all the kitten stuff that creates the esport buzz.
GW2 has great PVP and deserves it.
Forget the PVE for a month guys, focus on PVP and deliver the stuff.
By Xmas, we want to be on the path to a huge PVP game.
We need ratings.
It is as simple as that.
This whole thread is strange.
They DO sell precursors on the cash shop.
Buy gems with real money on the cash shop, buy gold with gems, buy precursor from trader.
Voila, you just bought a precursor from the gem store, effectively.
Or are you asking for precursors to be cheaper to buy from the store than they currently are?
In which case, no, they are already at the free market price on the trader.
You can add me to the list. When we got to the end parts of the Ancient Karkan event the ability lag and rubber-banding were so bad that people crashed or were forced to relog left right center. Problem is everyone and their mother had the same problem so the login server were congested. Result? Most of us never got back in. The rare people who did logged in to a finished event. We all missed out on the rewards for the 2.5 hours+ we put into the event.
While repeatedly clicking the login button i could hear the few guildmates who didnt get kicked out of the game and miss the rewards get FANTASTIC rewards. Five. FIVE legendary precursors in my Teamspeak channel alone out of a handful of people… Add to that the 20 slot bag, ring and exotics.
For someone who has tried to get his hand on a precursor for months now, to miss a chance on one like this, really is too much to bear….
ArNet should send an epic chest in the mail to everyone who participated in that event and didn’t get to loot the chest. Makes sure everyone had a fair chance on the Precursor roll.
Agreed.
A chance at a precursor is what the chest was all about.
They should send one by mail to everyone who didn’t get to loot the chest.
Just take a break and play whatever.
Believe me, after just a few hours playing other MMOs, you’ll be back to GW2.
There’s only one Liam Neeson:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/96424278/gw013.jpg
That is amazing
Now I want a char that looks like Niam Leeson
Wow amazing work man
This is pretty helpful to see trends
tbh GW2 is not just the best looking MMO out there, it’s one of the best looking games, DX9 or DX11, it’s still beautiful.
If it takes a year there’s no one left to play the e-sport.
League of Legends took a year to become an e-sport. It kind of takes a while to balance stuff out.
I guess I’m just new to dungeons but this one was really nice, and you can actually feel the difficulty go up.
Also, very beautiful.
Good work Anet boffins. Impressive stuff.
I still don’t want to grind it a million times though.
It’s great but no dungeon or raid is worth doing multiple times a day for several months.
Could you explain why you thought the game was more fun before this patch? Coming from a purely tournament perspective, the meta we saw before yesterday was absolute garbage. From what it was originally, the power of bunkers and portals was utilized by everybody. Fights were often 4v4+ and lasted entirely too long and really just turned into glorified button spamming. Contesting Foefire’s Graveyard and other mids took the majority of the match.
While other bugs got introduced, they aren’t as game breaking as Svanir glitching or block bug. There really wasn’t a need for high mobility or real strategy. In my opinion, the patch brought these types of things back in line, we’re potentially back to the high rotation, high communication, high coordination meta.
This
Must have been a huge ban wave, there was lots of those guys completing events for me, and now I don’t see any.
Bot genocide
Not yet
Needs more stuff to be an esport
The list of Ace of Spades is good and should be pushed immediately
If you ask a question while you are channeling triple chop, your character accesses wikipedia and gives you a reasonable answer.
More responsive.
You forgot:
5) the 90% of the playerbase that doesn’t come to forums or have any strong beliefs either way and that just plays and will continue to play whenever they feel like it, because the game is F2P.
I’d like to congratulate this one forum thread for going over 100,000 views.
That’s more than the population of SWTOR.
WoW is very old, very ugly and quite dull. F2P won’t change that.
It’s full of kids and immature adults who attach their ego to how high their item score is, and basically join a sort of “rat race” comparing themselves to others on the basis of gear, like people in RL who attach their egos to their furniture or how many cars they have.
That’s why some people get “stuck” in WoW chasing pixels, and I have nothing but pity for them.
The small amount of ascended gear does not a rat race make, believe me. When your entire ability to do anything in the game depends on the colour and numbers on your pixels, that’s when you’re in a gear treadmill.
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Some people are actually scared of PVP, I’ve met people like that.
I try to explain that it’s really not a big deal at all, but unless they have a good reason they won’t put themselves at risk of being killed etc by other players.
If they go in to get the achievement points from the daily and realise that PVP is just another fun side of the game, that’s not a bad thing.
They might even become good at PVP and make that one of their main things.
absolutely NO……i m sick tired of devs forcing me to do things i HATE….
Why not stay 3 hours a day in a city at orr then?
Dude if you hate PVP don’t do it. No one is forcing you.
The achievement points and PVP daily are there for those who do their 3 matches and get their points.
Or the game could keep on growing, like it is now.
People can and should take a break for a while if they don’t feel like playing. This is not a big deal, they will come back to GW2 after playing the other MMOs out there, just like everyone else does.
I guess vocal minority crying can be very loud, but the truth is more people are playing now than before.
GW2 is the only MMO in years where this has been the case.
because some people can’t read the server screen:
Why run anything other then D/D when it blows every other combination away?
Warriors are a top tier pick for dps.
No they are not.
http://www.gw2league.com/rankings-spvp.aspx
Top tournament classes:
Guardian 8
Mesmer 7
Elementalist 6
Thief 6
Engineer 4
Necro 3
Ranger 1
Warrior 1
Ironically, the prospect of better gear to be earned might change the minds of some of your friends who thought it wasn’t for them the first time around.
Even if it is only a backpack and a couple of rings. Oh and legendaries.
It’s the first day of the monthly and you haven’t done 8/8 yet.
Take a deep breath, this is not a cause for alarm.
The daily sPVP is very easy to complete. Just gotta participate in 3 easy hotjoin matches really, the rest takes care of itself.
Warriors actually might need buffs:
Taken from http://www.gw2league.com/rankings-spvp.aspx
Top tournament classes:
Guardian 8
Mesmer 7
Elementalist 6
Thief 6
Engineer 4
Necro 3
Ranger 1
Warrior 1
A lot of people who were scared to try sPVP are now trying it out.
That’s a good thing.
Here it is, taken from http://www.gw2league.com/rankings-spvp.aspx
Top tournament classes:
Guardian 8
Mesmer 7
Elementalist 6
Thief 6
Engineer 4
Necro 3
Ranger 1
Warrior 1
Remind me why the most feared class in tPVP is warrior?
Even if Warrior goes glass cannon. He is tanky and puts a lot of damage out. With a proper team you dont even needy frenzy or bull’s charge.
There is a reason top teams are favouring warrior roamer
Except they aren’t.
matchmaking? you do realize the queue times for paid tournaments correct? reading forums again reminds me of why I stopped before the game came out.
The top teams end up playing each other over and over all night every night, we are lucky to have 2 tournaments running at the same time. People are front-runners when it comes to it, so ANet needs to be smart and work around it. People don’t want competition, they want to see their name plastered on the top of a list somewhere. What we NEED, is teams to step up and play. Challenge. De-throne. League took off after the game was polished with esport stuff where the company waiting to invest till features were completed…ANet is just doing the same. A little confidence goes a long way, the economy knows that best.
All in all, ANet’s first big patch was mostly a success in my opinion. Staff ele’s, thieves, block bug, and portal were the primary destructive forces of tpvp, and have been properly dealt with. Let us all remember this is a conquest mode game, so bunkering will be inevitable, guardian is just that type of class.
I want to just point out that I’ve invested more in this game than any of you, I can say that this patch has great meta changes.. Changes that will make a difference in the balance of this game for the good of those who play competitively. Don’t take for granted that they balance the game on meta tpvp and not pve, most games do the opposite.
I agree completely.
Good post from a very dedicated and rather famous player.
my builds pretty good. check it out at twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr also I’m the #1 necro in the world in paid tournament qualifier points, not that it matters.
actually that’s a pretty good reason to listen to what you have to say about it
Most people already know your videos
I managed to do this as well.
It is amazingly OP.
How to:
- done on a 38 degree incline while standing on all 3 wells at the same time
- deathshroud at 10, then 15, then 20 seconds interval with stability trait
- use axe 3 then weaponswap and put down fear mark (staff 5)
- use the golem elite while spinning 360 degrees with the mouse
Result:
You become Spiderman